/lit/ - Literature

Le me guess
>Muh old book
>Muh science
>Muh proof

>>14264316
no

>>14264312
who?

>>14264312
Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?

Woe unto him that saith unto his father, What begettest thou? or to the woman, What hast thou brought forth?

Isaiah 45:9-10

If God created you he doesn't owe you anything, not even an explanation.

>>14264365
So if your mom cuts your dick off, that's aight 'cause she created you?

>>14264312
He's just reiterating the problem of evil

is it this whole "why do kids get cancer?" thing?

do people generally believe that god is supposed to be a bearded man sitting in the sky?

Reminder that he is gay and is in a relationship with a much younger twink, of course its in his best interests to try to discredit the Bible, which condemns sodomy

>>14264423
nice ad hominem you got there

Usually I'm not much of a man of God but when I see Stephen Fry it sure puts the fear of the devil inside of me.
I assume it doesn't take 2 minutes either to destroy his little twinks asshole.
Also nice literature topic you got there you faggot.

>>14264312
> Ugly britbong
> Literal fag
> Unironically a fedora-tipper
> Self-decribed Humanist
> Mentally ill

Ok, edgelord

>>14264445
see >>14264429

>>14264451
try making an argument next time, champ

>>14264312
I love this argument. It purports to be humanist but it's pure egotism. How dare he decide what others can suffer, or whether or not their life has more or less meaning or value because of it, and then, on top of being the arbiter of suffering (and the disgusting implication that those who experience suffering are somehow "less than" ideal, happy, or capable of encountering meaning), he's also able to point to abstract instances and call it evil, like he can sort what is good from what isn't with the wag of his bloated pedophilic finger because he doesn't like it, because he finds it sad, because he can't tolerate it, because it doesn't give him pleasure whether it affects him directly or not. Forget God, this guy is demeaning those who "suffer" to make a pompous argument for the intellectual and moral superiority of his own (arbitrary, I should add) cowardice.

Pisspoor excuse for an intellectual, a humanist, anything.

>>14264463
Calm down, Stephen. It's not too late to change

>>14264429
His faggotry plays into his beliefs though.

Religious god is bullshit but god does exist

Why does evil exist? because it's irrelevant, everything passes, your immortal soul has felt it all and knows that even in the worst of times it will pass, your immortal soul knows that it will always be okay. Life would have no weight to it without the possibility of having bad experiences, it would be boring, there would be no tension, no stakes, nothing to fight and nowhere to grow. Plus I think people "enjoy" their suffering, it gives them meaning, this depends on the severity and type of suffering however.

>>14264468
Based. "Humanist" atheists deserve the bullet too

>>14264312
>G-d: Soi Face
>Zeus: Dismissive chuckle

>>14264526
Why would a perfect God create a universe filled with so much that is evil?
They miss the greater conundrum.
Why would a perfect God create a universe at all?

>>14264547
>Why would a perfect God create a universe at all?

Because it must be worth it

>>14264384
Of course. More than that, from a pure human perspective it's not strictly wrong for anyone to do anything. Why would it be? Whose "wrong"? God would be the only arbiter of right and wrong, so she would have eventually answer to God for how she lived her life.

>>14264468
based

>>14264365
>we'll just moralize our way out
oh, wait...
why was god a kantian?
https://youtu.be/jHPOzQzk9Qo

>God creates the perfect body, immune from illness and ageing with one simple condition
>We decide to fuck everything up and inflict unnaturalness upon ourselves
>How dare you

>>14264542
>G-d
the fuck?

>>14264468
The intellectual prowess of humanism

>>14264384
She didn't create me, I came to this world through her.

>>14264402
Atheists and Protestants both believe this. Atheism is the rejection of Protestantism.

>>14264580
Wrong, Atheism is the logical conclusion of Protestantism.

>>14264580
Atheism is an extreme form of Protestantism

>>14264312
Is there a transcript? Or summarize his points for me.

>>14264596
>can't watch a 2 minute video
kys

>>14264429
It isn't ad hominem though, many of Stephen Fry's health problems are a directly result of his homosexuality.

>>14264596
suppose what Oscar believed in as he died in spite of your protestations suppose it's all true and you walk up to the pearly gates and you are confronted by God what will Stephen Fry say to him/her or it I will basically notice the Odyssey I think I say bone cancer and children what's that about how dare you how dare you create a world in which there is such misery that is not our fault it's not right it's utterly utterly evil why should I respect a capricious mean minded stupid God who creates a world which is so full of injustice and pain that's what I would say and you think you're going to get in know that but I wouldn't want to I wouldn't want to get in on his terms they're wrong now if I died and it was it was Pluto Hades and if it was the twelve Greek gods then I would have more truck with it because the Greeks were
01:01
they didn't pretend not to be human in
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their appetites and in their
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capriciousness and in their
01:07
unreasonableness they didn't present
01:09
themselves as being all seen all wise
01:12
all kind or beneficent because the God
01:15
who created this universe if it was
01:17
created by God is quite clearly a maniac
01:20
utter maniac totally selfish totally we
01:24
have to spend our life on our least
01:26
thanking you what kind of God would do
01:29
that yes the world is very splendid but
01:31
it also has in it insects whose whole
01:33
life cycle is to burrow into the eyes of
01:36
children and make them blind
01:37
they eat outwards from the eyes why why
01:42
did you do that to us
01:43
you could easily have made a creation in
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which that didn't exist
01:47
it is simply not acceptable so you know
01:51
atheism isn't not just about not
01:53
believing there is it is not believing
01:55
there's a God but on the assumption
01:57
there is one what kind of God is it it's
02:00
perfectly apparent these monstrous
02:02
utterly monstrous and deserves no
02:04
respect whatsoever moment you banished
02:07
him the life becomes simpler pure
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cleaner more
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living in my hidden that sure is the
02:14
longest answer to that question I ever
02:16
got in this entire series
English (auto-generated)

>>14264542
Deep down the Christcucks know.

>>14264591
>>14264585
Nice cope, catholicucks.

>>14264312
>caring what a literal mentally ill self promoting faggot has to say
>promulgating his diseased words
Enjoy hell, OP.

>>14264689
what hell?

>>14264630
>my life is shit therefore I hate God
Given it was God who granted him the ability to discern good from evil to begin with, it's sheer insolence to invent arbitrary standards of what is "tolerantly evil" and what is "too evil" and apply them to God. If children were not having bone cancer, he'd whine that people grow old and die. If people didn't grow old, he'd whine that people do nevertheless die of various accidents and causes. It's in no way less horrible than the bone cancer thing, if you are being consistent with your thought.

Therefore, he does not argue with God about the particular evil that exists, but argues that evil exists at all. Well, guess what, evil exists because we're living in an imperfect world, and it's because we're living in an imperfect world we're free, and us being free is God's gift to us and a sign of God's love towards us, even with all the evil that goes together with it. The very point of Christian faith is that you're supposed to believe in the postulate that human's earthly existence is, however miserable, a sign of God's love.

>>14264694
First, the hell that is your mediocre life. Second, the hell that is eternal damnation for you and all your godless ilk of sodomites and degenerates.

I hope the other chan reopens soon, I swear a stiff breeze could trigger these nu-Christians.

>>14264731
>Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time!

>But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can't handle money!

>>14264742
t. damned mediocrity

>>14264742
To be honest, about half of that refers to a legitimate critique that, to answer, requires a way higher level of theological discourse than you can usually find in USA.

>>14264468
A, yes, the ideal and happy man that died as a fetus from their mother sedating herself on alcohol, or one most meaningful existence that was ended at age three because a tsunami happened to occur. Truly a blessed living.

>>14264567
Graphic-design

>>14264757
>>14264771
based Carlin

>>14264781
imagine unironically managing to post this without cringing to death

>>14264468
>those who experience suffering aren't less happy or less capable of encountering meaning

Religious people are mentally ill. You people have no real life experience. Abused people don't become suffering servants of God, they became assholes in 99% of cases. They are more disinterested in the suffering of others because "if I could take it, so can they. What's the big deal?" Suffering is counter intuitive to creating moral human beings

>>14264797
>muh cringe
ok retard

>>14264580
>Atheists and Protestants believe that god is a bearded man in the sky.

simplest way to solve the problem of evil is calvinism desu

>>14264564
> god creates a religion to himself
> divides it into three principles
> less than a a tenth of everyone you created have the correct faith.

>>14264312
>96k likes
>6.1k dislikes

/lit/ eternally BTFO

>>14264811
Why are you pretending otherwise?

>>14264556
>God would be the only arbiter of right and wrong

This is an abomination. It makes anything and everything incomprehensible. Blizzard games, for example, are bad because they are poorly optimized, have primitive mechanics, are extremely prescriptive, creatively bankrupt, not because they are Blizzard games. If a good game not made by Blizzard was somehow made by Blizzard then it would NOT become bad, nor would Blizzard actually making a good game make it bad.

>>14264365
Woe? No... blessings. Were I to dhape clay and have it question me, I would be overjoyed. The answer to it's question of "why" is so that it could ask that question. God does not owe, but gives freely

>>14264575

How would you know you haven't come into the world through God also?

>>14264556
God gave you the ability to discern right from wrong, at least partially and imperfectly. Otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion.

>>14264890
>God gave you the ability to discern right from wrong
says who? proof?

>>14264884
God is by definition He who created. If you've merely "come into the world" through God then it's not God we're talking about but Demiurge, and Demiurge shall have no more authority over you than your mother.

>>14264884
Because most monotheistic religions don't understand the metadivine and that god does not create from nothing in any sense except metaphorical.

>>14264365
>so just take my word for it that he created you
ok retard

>>14264892
It's an article of faith, not something to prove. For one, a proof is as good as the one proving it, and be it me or you, humans are too imperfect to treat such a proof as a holy truth. As for right and wrong, just, like they say, just search inside your fucking heart.

>>14264402
How could anyone get that idea?

>>14264801
So, assuming you have all this profound real world experience, you're either the asshole who has suffered and inflicts it on others (justifying your sociopathy?), someone who has suffered but isn't an asshole (invalidating your own point), or you don't have experience of it and are just a pompous moraliser and psychologiser without the requisite authority (the all important real-world experience which is your criterion for being able to speak on the subject.) Or, what, you 'just know' people like that? A bunch of caricatures you ironically have some deep feeling for and understanding of?

>>14264778
Ah, yes, existence itself isn't ecstatic for whatever length of time it appears.

Ah, yes, only the wise person doesn't appreciate the miraculous conflagration of coming into existence.

Jeez, I'd hate to think you were waisting 80 years being a anaesthesised miserabilist who thinks making inane value judgements on existence like a suicidal accountant is really what life's all about. But clearly that's not the case. You just wish every three-year-old.could live as many full and happy years as you have.

>>14264312
>WHY CANT INFINITE GOODNESS HAPPEN IN A FINITE WORLD AAA

>>14264312
If this retard thinks life is so shit, then why isn't he happy babies dies as soon as possible?

>>14264547
Love

>>14264832
Thesis

Antithesis

Synthesis

The arrow is god

>>14264832
>>14265019
They didn't show up. Cool.

The relationships we make between concepts; that action is god

Notice how religious people make as many excuses as necessary for an all-powerful being but slam their gavel at any human with the slightest personal failing. It evinces their true nature as slaves who don't actually like or love God, they just exalt power wherever it appears. These same GIDF posters would be the King's lickspittles in a different age

>>14265082
No shit, you can only either love God or hate God, and hating God is a horrible condition so no one would want a fellow human to do that. As for personal failings, there's a difference. You love God and believe Him to be infallible, but you love people despite them being very fallible. So you point out people's fallings hoping they would correct their ways, not least for their own sake (and hating God is among the greatest fallings there can be)

>>14264821
there is no problem of evil if there is no god.
>>14264556
based genghis khan poster

>>14265124
>considering himself to be punishment and not trial

He's a fucking comedian. Stop doing him free propaganda

>>14265124
>there is no problem of evil if there is no god.
This reminds me of Kierkegaard's answer. He basically says who cares because if it renders God non existent then what of evil? If we have rendered God as non existent (because of the problem of evil) evil doesn't go away.

>>14265184
>comedians can't make you question your beliefs
big brain time

>>14264312
God is illogical, hell he created logic and illogic. But for us, God is completely illogical because he chooses to be. The old Testament and New make it abundantly clear that it is impossible to understand God. Would he truly be all powerful if you could completely understand him? Stephen Fry is trying to teach chess to someone who created Chess. Teach physics to someone who created physics. The smartest individual could debate against God and be completely destroyed. We simply cannot understand God, he could let us understand him, but he chooses not to, he lets us come with our own ideas and see's where it takes us.

"Ok that was a nice talk and all Fry, but your still going to hell"
*the floor disolves and Fry falls into a pit of fire were he is tortured for eternity*

>>14265208
I only trust tragedians

>>14265212
Does hell exist if you don't believe in god?

>>14265221
Yes.

>>14265240
why?

>>14265246
Because it does

>>14265246
What kind of explanation are you looking for?

>>14265250
based retard

>>14265221
Does climate change exist if you do not believe in it?

>>14264468
absolutely based

>>14265259
you can ACTUALLY see if the climate changes or not with empirical evidence.

What about ´hell´?

retard

>>14264423
>with a much younger twink
Good for him

>>14264468
You are denying the validity of objective morality or suffering, which is actually what liberals try to do to discredit religion. Weird.

Keep seething christoids. You know you have absolutely nothing to go on besides make-believe.

Why are athiests like this never debunking hinduism or islam or whatever. They insist christianity is a dead horse but keep beating it.

>>14265003
i want to punch you in the face

>>14265210
>We simply cannot understand God
How can I follow such an unknown God then?

>>14264781
imagine only being able to think within the confines of materialism

>>14264312
Why would you even listen to someone with physiognomy like this?

>>14265212
Oh no, not a pit of fire *yawns*
God is truly pathetic.

>>14265221
>Does X exist if you don't believe in Y?
>Does X exist if you don't believe in X?
gee I don't know

>>14265427
It would be sort of a waste to disregard all British philosophy altogether

>>14265421
Go for a walk in the woods or a bike ride by the ocean side and let the awe inspiringness of life overcome you then you will know

>>14265427
ad hominem

>>14265427
Why wouldn't you?

>>14265221
No. Only a retard who doesn't understand how the metaphysical works thinks otherwise.

>>14265438
what

>>14265439
he's a Hungarian Jew

also homosexual

>>14265427
You'd rather trust someone who looks like this?

>>14264585
>>14264591
>>14264580
This.

>>14265210
logic is supreme and unchangeable. we could say there could be a universe where it would be logical to, say, breathe through the eyes, but it would still follow the logic of this world.The basis of logic and proof that it exists is just observing the obvious, maybe the most obvious thing ever : no way a thing could be two things at once, a circle could never be a square and a circle at the same time. But like my analogy with breathing through the eyes, there could be a world where a square would be called a circle, but the most fundamental root of logic still stands: a thing can't be two things at once. If it would it would be illogical. So what does that mean? that logic exists.

>>14265440
What if I feel no awe, but rather a nagging sensation that it's incredibly shallow? When I look at nature I feel an intense tug to tear it all down, in the hopes that whatever architect built all of this is watching, that I might compel Him to cry and do better next time.

>>14265465
That's athiest propaganda. We have a real image of Jesus via the shroud of Turin and have recreated his face based on it.

>>14265487
It's about how real it is, not how beautiful it is

>>14265482
Extrenely wrong in all senses of the word. Our very reality is made out contradictions. Classical logic is a flawed man-made crutch, made out of rotting wood.

>>14265500
It is still not real enough to be compelling. Whatever forged it all needs to do better at it's craft.

>>14265502
you didn't give the chance to be proven wrong, you provided no examples

>>14264312
Fry struggled to keep his homosexuality secret during his teenage years at public school, and by his own account did not engage in sexual activity for 16 years from 1979 until 1995.[174] When asked when he first acknowledged his sexuality, Fry quipped: "I suppose it all began when I came out of the womb. I looked back up at my mother and thought to myself, 'That's the last time I'm going up one of those'."[175] Fry was in a 15-year relationship with Daniel Cohen, which ended in 2010.[176] Fry was listed number 2 in 2016 and number 12 in 2017 on the Pride Power list.[177][178]

On 6 January 2015, British tabloid The Sun reported that Fry would marry his partner, comedian Elliott Spencer. Fry wrote on Twitter: "It looks as though a certain cat is out of a certain bag. I'm very very happy of course but had hoped for a private wedding. Fat chance!"[179] Eleven days after the news story, Fry married Spencer on 17 January at Dereham in Norfolk.[180]

>>14265514
It's as real as it gets. Now if your brain doesn't see it as such, that's a different matter.

>>14265441
Yes.

>>14265465
It's not an either-or kind of thing, because aside from Jesus being a blue eyed Germanic man irl, there is probably no aspect of Frye's philosophy that isn't that same bizarre, neo-Calvinist ((shtick)) that most all modern atheists practice, essentially religiously. Not all of course, just those who can't seem to get over their own atheism, or other people thinking and feeling differently so they use their impotent snark as a coping mechanism. It's just a waste of fucking time imo.

>>14265514
>hurr durr let me tell and unknowable entity with power and mind we cannot even fathom how to get better at its craft
ok boomer

Fuck listening to this limey faggot. Almost as gay as OP.

>>14265524
No! Not the gay!!! Help! Save me God!!!!

How can we have free-will if God intervened to stop bad things? Sure, most people would agree that a child with cancer is bad but so is drinking alcohol and eating sugar (taken from the damage it does to your body), should God step into prevent these things from happening too? Where is the line and wouldn't this differ from person to person?

>>14265539

>>14265524
Not an argument

>>14265528
>as it gets
And that's the issue.

Why does God trigger atheists so much?

>>14265552
ego hit

>>14265552
Why does the suggestion of a metagod trigger theologicians so much? The idea that there is a thing even more unknowable, such that it cannot be described outside of that singular property and its irrefutable movement on the unmoved mover. Something which breaks the definition of God, yet preserves it. And what of that which transcends that metagod, and so on? To stop at the ultimate is to shirk the philosophical necessity.

>>14264312
>pederast opinion on God
hard pass

>>14265535
Yes.

Shouldn't this be on /his/?

These flamewars were such a waste of time in the early aughts and they're a waste of time now. There was a brief period when most of the atheists moved on to social justice and theists self-segregated and we had the peace to talk about other things. Soon we'll have some unironic YECs showing up, just watch.

never forget to sage bait posts like this

>>14265482
>This is your mind on duality
The myth of our of the material world is that whilst we perceive things as separate, they are in fact they only exist relative to the other. A square is only a square because of the boundary it creates to other. In the same vein we only understand logic as opposite of the illogical. Logic tends to relate to scientific and intellectual discovered and illogical things are intuitive and felt senses. God transcends this duality which is a trap of the mind, though as westerns have very logical mind, they seek the other which is why might see him as illogical.

>>14265440
fuck off emerson

>>14265487
gnosticism is the truth.

>literature board
>an off topic thread is posted about the opinion of a tv personality’s opinion on God
>137 replies

>>14265683
>bible
>a book
>not literature

phoneposter and a retard

pedophile pseud

>>14264312
>hate God
>marry twink
>get ass cancer
like pottery

>>14265663
I speak of everything, not just the material. The duality of the aeons and archons, sophia, the monad... all are trite.

>>14264778
This reasoning just leads to you hating God because you don't live an absolutely perfect life in absolute ecstasy 24/7.

>>14265789
Why not?

>>14265820
Why not what?

>>14265825
Why should we have to live with evil because you arbitrabily think so?

>>14264526
Excellent counter, anon. Reminds me of The Magic Mountain—especially Naphta’s response to humanism.

>>14265789
Black or white fallacy

>>14265789
>This reasoning must be wrong because the conclusion makes me sad

>this is all athiests have as a voice of reason

Why don't atheists have any great philosophers like Aquinas and Kirkegaard? Does being a non-believer just make you dumb or something

>>14264591
Good lord, this is so fucking based. I thought I would never see this, on fucking 4chan, where 90% of people grew up in a country with a Prrotestant culture (even though a fifth of America is nominately Catholic).

>>14266032
I'm a believer

>>14264316
more like
>muh problem of evil
>muh god is a selfish maniac

>>14264312
what a retard

>>14265903
Ridiculous for you to talk about being arbitrary when without God evil can only be an arbitrary concept. Why shouldn't we have to live with evil? A world without evil would be totally pointless.

>>14265993
Correct, atheists just can't get over themselves.

>>14264312
Not a book you fagfucker.

This is total bollocks. Fry is a hack.
Jonathan Miller (who died a few days ago) made the ultimate British documentary on atheism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_L2-1sXJlQ0
Miller was a genuine academic and scholar. Fry was an entertainer.

>>14264821

How so? Please explain yourself anon.
Total depravity?

>>14264468
I love this argument. It purports to be impartial rationalism but it's pure christcuckery.

>>14265082

You literally only think this because Jesus said
>Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. 3 Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.

>>14265487

Oh the edge the edge
oh no oh no
Oh no the edge will cut
Will cut

>>14266032
Atheism ties in with skepticism, which is usually about questioning the validity of existing beliefs, not creating new ones, so maybe what you mean is why aren't there great philosophers who also happen to be atheists? I don't know about you but I wouldn't personally rate Aquinas or Kierkegaard above Nietzsche, Hume, or Schopenhauer.

>>14264429
Accusing someone of a fallacy also doesn't count as argument, dude.

>>14265580

>What is apophatic theology

Hundreds of years late to the conversation anon

>>14264463
Those are valid arguments

>>14266322
>attacking the person instead of arguments
gb2skool

>>14266142
>Fry was an entertainer.
debatable.

>>14265405
Not him but using their own argument against themselves, and pointing out the inherent hypocrisy of claiming that there is no such thing as objective morality whilst declaring things to be good or evil is a good enough way to answer him.

>>14265410
On the one hand they decry the romans for feeding their lions, on the other they stick the boot in.
Mostly their arguments, like Fry's here, are appeals to emotion and attributing of blame without understanding where the actual responsibility lies.

>>14264429
It's an argument.

>>14264312
religion =/= christianity

>>14264312
>NOOOOOOOOO KIDS GET CANCER SO GOD DOESNT EXIST EVEN THOUGH ALSO I VOTE FOR THE RIGHT TO TERMINATE CHILDREN NOOO AAAAAAAAGH HOW CAN YOU BE SO EVIL GOD
Why are ath*ists so cringe?

>>14264875
You’re missing the point, any criteria for what is good or bad must inherently fall upon an a priori assertion. In your case a game is “bad” because it is “poorly optimised” but you assert this to be a fact, your definition is no more grounded in some absolute logical metric than saying that which is in accordance with god. It’s like asking what defines a right angle triangle, is it having a 90 degree angle or obeying the Pythagorean theorem? It’s always both, the relationship is acausal. God does not make things good, god and what is good are intrinsically connected. They define each other and are properties of each other. Saying “god is bad” is an incoherent sentence.

>>14266646
If God exists God cannot be bad.

>>14266311
I am more than aware of apophatic theology. I am still interested in the metadivine.

>>14266691
It depends on what you mean by bad.

>>14266142

>X person did Y profession, therefore he is wrong.

Not an argument

Not even Nietzsche would agree with this obese faggot. As he said, the only people who believe suffering is "bad" are the English.

>>14266629
based

>>14264926
If you grew up in a poor place you'd know it to be true. People molested becoming molester, people abused becoming abusers, people neglected becoming drug addicts, etc.

>>14266629
I don't get this either. I accept that my religiosity is irrational, but at least it provides me with consistent beliefs. The other day I was speaking to my friends, and someone asked me why I didn't eat meat. The reasoning I gave they were fine with, but then I apply that same reasoning to my stance against abortion and they seethe. So it's okay I feel a spiritual responsibility toward animals but not unborn human beings? Where's the consistency?

>>14266869
I find this odd as well. I cringe whenever I see some married couples with pets, but no children. There is an anti-human aura around us today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulhZvWDdIlY

>>14266880
It's just anti-life in general. I can tell you from talking to other vegetarians and such that most do not practice anything out of sincerity, merely appearance. There is no genuine moral foundation they build their behavior on, just a mish mash of currently accepted views on the whim of politics- nothing intrinsic to their being or outlook, nothing eternally true for them. I feel a profound connection to life and so I could not live any other way without betraying myself, but these people, I am not sure how to put this, but it is like they have no genuine self to betray. Underneath their actions and routine is simply nothing. There is something so grossly wrong about someone who makes a big pretense about not eating meat (and when pushed can only provide the most superficial reasoning, as if the intelligence of a living thing is morally relevant in destroying it! shows their underlying utilitarianism at the core, another death cult) while using their iPhones some chinese child probably got beaten to assemble being paid next to nothing. For me, religion does not fit around my life, it has altered how I see reality and breaching my principles is a painful failure for me. There is nothing like this for them. There is public shame and some sort of barely conscious guide suspended in their minds that adapts to whatever is currently seen as "good".