/lit/ - Literature

first for sanderboi is okay

Is there a way to download all Nebula and all Hugo awarded books?

>>14228634
Yes

>>14228628
Third for Sanderfag ruined Mat in WoT because he has never been in a bar in his life.

>>14228638
How?

>>14228641
Seventh for Sanderfag ruined (not that there was much to ruin desu) WoT because his style is widely different from Jordan's and he could not get the feeling right.

>>14228647
One by one

>>14228661
Thanks for nothing

>>14228673
You're welcome

Tolkien>sanderson>grrm>weeks>erikson>wolfe>lawrence
facts

>>14228681
I'm not sure why Tolkien is liked so much.
Genuinely, what is so great about him?
Does the archetypal representation of the hero journey really mean this much?

>>14228719
Single handily invented the entire modern fantasy genre.
Wrote actual literature.
In fact LotR is regard as one of the finest pieces of English writing ever, fantasy or otherwise.

>>14228755
>Single handily invented the entire modern fantasy genre.
Nope, he uses imagery commonly used in myths and his themes are nothing new.

>Wrote actual literature.
Same here. Literature is always written. A name tag is also literature. Get your definitions straight.

I won't continue here.

>>14228792
>you're wrong
>I win bye
good post

>>14228625
Top 5 SFF from past 20 years, go

What are some examples of fantasy (magical) sports novels?

What is your favorite science-fiction visual novel?

>>14228906
there's no good ones

>>14228906
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fznmFX17YI

>>14228906
I already told you to go read muv luv

>>14229166
I've already read ML years ago and deeply regret my wasted time.

>>14228906
Behind the Dune

>>14229264
Yeah, I'm thinking he based.

>>14228906
Teraurge

>>14229264
>Brian
P gud

>>14229264
This will always be how I imagine every dune character. I won't let the movies corrupt my imagination.

>pirate book
>get to the end
>"next book's kickstarter will be up in three months"
>first kickstarter raised $80k
Wew lad.

This book sucked, by the way. Don't bother reading it.

>>14229320
I normally dont judge books by their cover but fuck man that looks like fucking trash from the cover alone holy fugg.

>>14229368
It's a trash that raised $80k before sales, though.

What the fuck is wrong with people?

>>14229320
>This book sucked, by the way.
So were all the rest but that never matters when it was on KU.

Did we ever find out which scam the author was banned from Amazon for?

>>14229288
same

>>14229259
Acquire some taste and then read it again you philistine

>>14229387
He was (allegedly) botting his book to cheat KU.

>>14229387
I think he inflated his page count by spacing his lines really far apart or something.

Now that he is out of amazon you might be thinking his days of scamming are over, but get this: in his kickstarter he put up goals that he would write a longer book depending on how much money he got. He ended up writing, unsurprisingly, a bunch of irrelevant dialogue in which the MC talks at length with the dinosaurs about how good they are and etc. He does this for like a dozen dinos, making it like 20 pages of literally nothing.

>>14229405
>making it like 20 pages of literally nothing.
It was some of the cringiest dialogues I've ever read.

>>14229396
>acquire some taste to read babby's first VN
Amazing how across all boards, MLfags are eternally unrelenting in their ardor for their diamond dozen waifu game.

>>14228681
Sanderson and grrm are highly generic and mediocre writers, the Stereotypical 5/10 you find in every Genre.
Both do basically nothing but reassembling tropes into new forms, Tolkien did the same, but before it was cool.

>>14228755
He didn't "invent" anything really, maybe he popularized it.
And yes, he wrote literature, like literally every writer on the face of this Earth, from the shittiest fanfiction to the "classics".

>>14229437
He said *modern* fantasy. The whole trope of elves, dwarves, orcs, magic system, medevial / middle earth world setting you can all blame on Tolkien.

>>14229516
>elves, dwarves, orcs, magic system
Makes me wish the shadowrun books were any good.
The guidebooks and lore collections for the pen and paper rpg are great but they hardly count as novels. The shadowrun universe is fantastic but the books are all bad.

>tfw no cybernetic orc waifu to drink some basedcaf with while cuddling in a hidden safehouse.

>>14228625
Started reading The Left Hand of Darkness a few days ago. Very cosy

Never read Watts or any of Sunflower Cycle. Is reading Freeze-Frame Revolution a good idea?

>>14229788
I read that within the past couple of months and enjoyed it. I thought it to be the best story out of the quartet.

>reading Bakker
>totally enthralled by plot scenes
>war scenes start
>they're all prose dense and use clinical descriptors with geographic terms, parts of structures, and formations I need a dictionary on-hand to properly parse

Is there a guidebook with the "names" of things like these? I feel like a brainlet every time these fucking scenes start.

goddamn reading another book with a mystery villain which makes it too fucking obvious who they are
Every time a fantasy author does intrigue they either give no indication at all of behind the scenes plots or way too many "hints"

>>14230140
Is there anyone that does war scenes well in such a way they don't read like a literary mess but a properly violent mess?

>>14230140
>they're all prose dense and use clinical descriptors with geographic terms, parts of structures, and formations I need a dictionary on-hand to properly parse
Give examples, please.

Is scary sci-fi a thing? I've just submitted a manuscript, but I'm afraid it might be too 'horror/thriller' for sci-fi publishers. It has cyber/science themes, but the scare bits are pretty intense, stuff like torture. I know things like I Have No Mouth exist, but they always seem light compared to what I write.
Is that too far for sci-fi? Should I try horror publishers as well?

>>14230484
>I know things like I Have No Mouth exist, but they always seem light compared to what I write.
How is your stuff heavier than an AI torturing the last human alive for all eternity?

>>14230496
Well, I write very graphicly. I go into detail about intestines being ripped out, eyes being cut open, being raped by machines, that kind of thing. I Have No Mouth is heavy, but not graphic.

>>14228681
tolkien > wolfe > the rest of the dinosaurs > female authors > everything else

>>14230140
It's a good chance to expand your vocabulary while reading about arcing phalluses.

>>14230260
You just have to focus on a single character's perspective.

It's when you try to relay the entirety of a war that things get hazy.

hey /sffg/ why the fuck doesn't Microsoft Edge read EPUBs anymore?

>>14230848
micro$oft

>>14230848
because its just a chrome fork now.
before it used to be its own browser and even had its own rendering engine. now its just a chrome fork because microsoft didnt want to hear people complain that youtube didnt work correctly. because google messes with the website to only properly work on chrome.

https://www.cnet.com/news/microsoft-releases-its-google-chrome-like-edge-browser-for-testing/

>>14230861
>>14230876
could i ask you guys if you know of any alternatives? I'm reading Zelazny and ya boy is hooked.

>>14230894
Calibre is free

>>14230894
sumatra pdf is what pretty much everyone uses for ebooks nowadays on windows.
might have to fiddle with the color-scheme a bit but its usable right out of the box and even remembers opened documents and where you where in them if you enable it in the settings. also can open multiple books at once and remember them all.

14228124
I should make an dark protagonist chart.
It gets tiring reading about some fag who lets the bad guy go after they tried to murder him... only for the killer to come back again and kill more people close to the protag in hopes of getting him. Fed up of that shit.

>>14228681
>sanderson over gene fucking wolfe
kill yourself

>>14229419
>diamond dozen
It's dime-a-dozen, you brainlet fag.

>>14230510
Weak sauce. Read some read fucked up shit.

>>14230876
>because google messes with the website to only properly work on chrome.
So google has won? Even M$ is giving into their demands.

>>14228124
I should make an dark protagonist chart.
It gets tiring reading about some fag who lets the bad guy go after they tried to murder him... only for the killer to come back again and kill more people close to the protag in hopes of getting him. Fed up of that shit.

>>14230260
Howard.

>>14231086
mozilla is still kinda fighting. there company does questionable decisions but they the mozilla development network actually has a say in what goes into web standards. but yeah google has so much power because youtube is like half of all consumer webtraffic.

>>14228625
150 pages into Red Sister and I am kinda tired Lawrence justifies everything with science.

Sometimes I want my magic to be magic damn it.

>>14230968
it's a doggy dog world newfag

>>14230968
>outing yourself
big yikes

>>14230968
>MLfag is a newfag
Kill yourself

>story starts off with comfy tactical combat and grounded intrigue
>grows into an anime with no intrigue, mechas, and DBZ laser beams
why god, why?

/sffg/, can I run some thanksgiving recipe ideas by you?

>cornbread stuffing with chestnuts, chanterelles, pancetta and carmelized onions
>hand pies stuffed with fennel sausage, chanterelles and ricotta
>fried corn cakes stuffed with duck confit and garlic

>>14231633
>tfw the first half of your book is just the MC cooking, but the second half is a fantasy adventure that culminates in a massive jojo-esque fight sequence.
>tfw the cooking in the first half isn't even very good.

>>14231460
>>14231424
>>14231403
I don't read picture books. The original misuse wasn't done on purpose, it happened because 4chan is filled with brainlet imitators who don't even know when the art they are copying is fake in the first place.
Also thanks for the (you)s.

>>14231707
>cornbread stuffing with chestnuts, chanterelles, pancetta and carmelized onions
Sounds nice, but I don't know what the chestnuts would contribute since you already have the cornbread as a starchy/soft/sweet element to the dish. Maybe use another type of nut for textural contrast or some sort of dried fruit for the visual aspect and tartness.
>hand pies
Hand pies on Thanksgiving don't really appeal to me. They feel less a part of a meal and more of a separate foodstuff meant to be a snack or portable lunch. That specific filling is very fall-feeling, but not super "Thanksgiving" to me.
>fried corn cakes
I wouldn't double up on cornbread stuffing and corn cakes. Keep the dishes feeling distinct


>>14231747
>Also thanks for the (you)s.
>I WAS MERELY PRETENDING TO BE A RETARDED NEWFAG, TAKE ME SERIOUSLY!

>>14231707
Would it interest you that I think chefs who make those fantasy titles for the food they make should an hero?

>>14231761
not really. you're not a person so your "opinion" doesn't bother me too much

>>14231758
I'm only going to do one of them since I'm traveling to thanksgiving. the corn cakes might be the simplest, but I'd like to see how they taste first

>>14231159
the funniest thing is, you can't even trust-bust them because they're more powerful than the government/ I'm counting the days until they merge with Amazon and Disney

>>14230949
shut up you fucking nerd

>>14231707
>>14231758
take it to /ck/ or your blog, no one cares

>protag won’t kill alien invaders because he’s a liberal pussy

God damn frustrating death to the xenos

Reading the first book of Song of ice and fire, and now I like it. I'm sorry for not liking it in the previous threads.

I'm not sure what I'm looking for in fantasy anymore. Everything feels so tired and repetitive. I don't even want something literary, I just want something with a relatively refreshing plot and decent writing.

You guys got any suggestions? Perdido Street Station scratched that itch for me. Same with Prince of Nothing, Acts of Caine, and Dark Tower.

>finally attempt to upload a PDF text on Bibliotik
>ENTITY TOO LARGE cloudflare error
fucking cool

>>14231951
Read xianxia

>>14230909
But that's wrong and dumb.

>>14231951
Welcome to /lit/, where the answer to all questions is BotNS. Seriously, sci-fi and fantasy are a pretty much stagnated fields of literature. A few gems exist but you have to dig through a lot of shit to find them.

>>14232023
But anon

I already read BotNS

>>14231994
What xianxia are you reading, anon?

>>14228818
Terra Ignota
Jonathan Strange
The Three-Body Problem

>>14231747

>>14232094
A record of a mortals journey to immortality
Renegade immortal
Library of heavens path

Just finished the first Bakker trilogy.
Nice conclusion so far but I'm wondering if the next books are worth it. Not all of the PoV are always interesting. It feels like a proper grand epic though with characters and circumstances bigger than life itself.

Also:
FUCK ESMI
FUCK THE IKUREI
AND MOST OF ALL... FUCK THE DUNYAIN !!!

>>14228681

Tolkien>Edison>Dunsany>Peake>>>>>>>>>>Terry Brooks>all those other hacks

kill false fantasy

>>14232808

It isn't. the second series is just Bakker getting metaphorically harder and harder over how clever he is for writing a fantasy book but with sci fi tech and aliens hidden in the background, and also literally harder and harder over irradiate rape cannibalism. it's a cop out.

>>14231792
>you're not a person

>>14231951
It's why I read self published books anon. But I'm also getting burnt out on those recently. Some might be a breath of fresh air for you though. I see an anon is enjoying Demons accord series, you might like that.

>>14232113
>asks for 5 gets 3
>anon can't read or spell
Not surprised.

>>14232153
You're the tard asking the literature board what their favourite comic book is, faggot.
>>>/co/ >>>/a/

>>14233002
>a terry being better than anyone

>>14233120
Terra Ignota currently have 3 books released.

>>14233168
And the 3 meme problem also has three books, stups. It's 7 books you're also posting about. You still can't spell or count.

>>14233180
>And the 3 meme problem also has three books
No you retard, the series is called Remembrance of Earth's Past. The Three-Body Problem is the first book.

>>14233199
>semantics
>everyone calls the series three meme problem like they call a song of ice and fire, game of thrones

>>14233243
Just admit that you're absolutely BTFO. I listed 5 books, just like requested.

>>14233255

>>14229264
which game is this, exactly?

>>14228906
Bump in the hopes that someone mentions some story I somehow have missed out on and in the hopes that someone mentions an actual VN and not a comic book or a point-and-click game

>>14232808
It’s up to you. If you enjoyed the first series a lot, you’ll probably enjoy the second. The pacing is not as tight as the first trilogy, but there’s really nothing else out there that will scratch the same itch that Bakker does.

>>14233480
it's literally the name they posted

>>14233415
Sounds like a chad desu

>>14233525
The best sci-fi VNs are Island and Himawari, by the same writer. Harumade, Kururu has been translated but not released yet, so look for that also when it comes out.

>>14233525
>>14233631
Also here are reviews of them to give you some idea of what they're about, since they don't really look much like science fiction at first glance:
https://vnreviews.blog/2016/05/19/vn-island/
https://vnreviews.blog/2016/12/09/vn-himawari-the-sunflower/
https://vnreviews.blog/2015/01/03/はるまで、くるる。/

>>14233117
but have you reread it?

Why is Erikson the only fantasy author with genuinely good prose? And don’t bring up Gene “purple, philosophical soliloquy in the middle of action” Wolfe.

>>14228906
maggot baits

>>14233765
Reread what? I read at least 100 books a year. It's hard finding fresh stock to consume. I used to be anti-self published books, I even made an anti litrpg meme, but after I read a book, enjoyed it, and found out it was self pubbed my hate(which I picked up group-think-like from here without even trying a book) was lifted.

All the shit I hated what publishing house authors did (trying to appeal to/manipulate the reader's emotion to get them to overlook shit [I don't support rape, rape is worse than murder], soapboxing, overpadding a work to no enhancement of the story, moralizing, letting the bad guy go so he can return and give you more books, etc) wasn't there in the first couple self pubbed books I knowingly read. I mean now that normies have found out amazon kindle is a money making machine (if you have a good story) they are flocking to it, and the same shit I despised from publishing houses, they are even trying to mold it to match their preferred "safe space" and trying to force authors to comply with it. It's like when normies found out that you could make crazy bank on youtube and rushed the site, now the creativity that made youtube popular is taking it's last choking breaths as it suffocates.

>>14233199
>>14233168
>>14232113
You are grasping for straws to win an already stupid argument.

There is literally no good fantasy except for the works of Tolkien and Dunsany and Peake... All else is juvenile trash.

>>14234109
Except for Masters of Rome

>>14234109
Peake and Tolkien wrote boring trash though. At least the ones I sampled from them.

So I just finished The Luminous Dead by Caitlin Starling. On the whole I was pretty impressed. Maybe I'm biased because I love a lesbian love story, but I found the characters pretty compelling. I liked the choice of just having two characters throughout the entire novel, and I thought the way they both grew through the course of the book was really enjoyable and believable. It's the sort of thing I could see doing decently in theatre, maybe. You'd have to do a lot of work on the setting for that to work though. Anyway. I did think she dropped the ball a little bit on the ending, though. I think it would have been a lot stronger for Em to be the one pushing Gyre to find her mother but Gyre being the one who's learned to let go and them just, I don't know, learning to be happy with each other. The way it's written, I rolled my eyes a little bit because it seemed like a negation of everything that had happened up to that point. The entire book is about learning to let go and dealing with grief but at the very end the character who seems up until then to be understanding that the best is like 'no lol fuck that im going to go find my mom and show her how cool i am?' Ugh. I really think she dropped the ball there. On the whole though, the ending didn't ruin the book for me and there were moments when I was genuinely more interested and invested in this book than I have been in a book in quite a while.

Seriously, even if you've gotten a little jaded at the state of SF these days, check this one out. I was really pleasantly surprised.

>>14234366
Maybe after my sex change.

>>14234492
There was basically no SJW stuff aside from the lesbianism. And there wasn't even much of that, either.

>>14234366
>a lesbian love story
I don't wanna read about crotch munchers. I'm fucking fed up of lesbian shit. Almost every new book released is some girl doing some shit and saving her girlfriend. I didn't like when it was some guy running off to save a girl either, so making it two girls won't make the story better. It's the same shit as before, just a "girl" doing the male role. Nothing new, just a fucking gender swap and some spouting of how girls are oppressed. I'm fed up of reading lesbian protagonists, and I will not read yours.

>>14234109
>Peake
Le grim whimsy man

I'm working my way through the Ghormenghast Trilogy and it's proving...harsh. To say the least.

It definitely has its moments, tho.

>the whole Flay/Swelter duel

>>14233792
>Erikson
>good prose

>>14233792
>why is my favourite author the one with best prose?
You tell me.

>>14233604
Thanks, now it makes sense.

Any zombie stuff that has some focus on the pathogen itself? I always like when they talk about the virus itself in zombie media.

>>14231901
I forgive you

Anons, I am tired of pussy characters that sacrifice human civilization for prosperity of aliens because "humans are bad and make war mkay". It's completely beyond me how can betrayal of own species be rationalized as a good thing.
So, can someone suggest me some quality literature on purging xenos for the glory of human race. Books about the superiority of human intelligence and spirit. No filthy xenoloving. No mutual understanding and forgiveness. And, oh god, no "these aliens are a millennia behind human development but they are so brilliant that they grasp everything in a second and become better than us" please.
Any help is much appreciated, fellow humans.

Orijinal English version of "Book of the New Sun" is too expensive in my country

>>14234596
Please do me a favour and get to book two. It's the best one. You won't regret it. Skip book three. It's an atrocity.

>>14235196
how much?

>>14235181
>I am tired of pussy characters that sacrifice human civilization for prosperity of aliens because "humans are bad and make war mkay".
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>14231097
Do it. I will check it out

>>14235236
To elaborate, book two, Gormenghast, is one of my favourite works of fiction.

>>14235308

I am on Book Two right now but being a completionist I will probably read Three too. I can never drop anything once I start it.

The prose is beyond fantastic.

>>14233792
wtf Erikson doesn't even have above average prose, the main criticism of his work is that people have no fucking idea what's going on because he doesn't communicate to the reader clearly

>>14233792
Erikson's prose sucks. Bakker's is infinitely better, and Bakker isn't even the best.

What's a good sci-fi book to read if I am both
a) new to sci-fi overall
b) interested mainly in ships
Of course I've read stuff like Dune and Neuromancer and so on, I basically just want some autism about spaceships and interstellar travel.

>>14235322
>The prose is beyond fantastic
Glad you agree. It's otherworldly-level good. It's fantasy but on the level of the greats of literature imo. I just warn you about book three though. I consider it the worst book I've ever read and that's not just because it ruined a great series. It's abysmally written due to Peake's mental illness, a mess of underdeveloped characters, nonsensical actions, a moaning and unlikable grown up Titus, an unfamiliar and stupid futuristic setting. It really is a travesty. Most people agree it's not good. Sad.

>>14233007
>>14233549
I've switched to Neuropath to get some more Bakker but take a break from rape aliens.

This one is a lot more obvious with Bakkers philosophy and theories. So much that sometimes the characters don't really fell like characters anymore but rather mouthpieces for Bakkers lectures.
Seriously I get that some exposition is needed but the conversations dwell on that shit so often its kinda jarring.
As strange as it sounds, but gay rape birds are more subtle to the understanding of will and the nature of man than that.
I'm looking forward how GRI this novel will get. So far its already shaping up to deal some heavy blows.

>>14235356
Excession

>>14235366
I agree the entire series isn't good, not just book 3.

>>14235612
Cool

I am constantly hearing from lefties that fantasy is cancelled, or that it needs to be pozzed, because it is insufficiently woke. I know this mainly comes from Tolkien, who arguably does fit that description, but I'm looking to read the other unwoke conservative fantasy books they are talking about. The criteria, in my view, for such works are as follows:

--No modernist/post modernist subversive criticism of hierarchy, traditional virtues, honor, etc.
--Exaltation of martial virtue, courage, and chivalry
--Few female characters, or if female characters are present they should not be presented in active political or combat roles, except perhaps as a monarch

>>14235250
It's pol virtue signaling. It has all their catchphrases and buzzwords baked into that post.

>>14235181
Warhammer 40k

>>14235635
>--No modernist/post modernist subversive criticism of hierarchy, traditional virtues, honor, etc.
--Exaltation of martial virtue, courage, and chivalry
--Few female characters, or if female characters are present they should not be presented in active political or combat roles, except perhaps as a monarch
Long may these books be read.

Is wolfe actually guilty of purple prose or do all his metaphorical ramblings serve a purpose?

>>14235690
In universe, New Sun is written by Severian. The flowery prose is because he feels like the Autarch needs to have an air of importance to the story of how he became Autarch.
That said I think all the digressions serve a purpose and aren't distracting.

>>14235181
As the other anon said.
Warhammer 40k novels.
Let them all burn.

>>14234366
>The Luminous Dead by Caitlin Starling
I am gonna give it a try but I will be really, really dissapointed in you if the book turns out to be shit.

>>14235813
Nice.

>>14235647
>It's pol virtue signaling. It has all their catchphrases and buzzwords baked into that post.
I don't give a shit about your western politics. My home country values are much different from modern American. And you guys try too hard to make everything political here with muh pol and muh liberals. It's like an obsession at this point. I just want to read a nice book. Something about humanity's war or contact with aliens but where humans are the dominant power.
>warhammer 40k
Anything specific? Never was a fan of it because of how over the line everything is. And chaos gods make it space fantasy.

>>14235871
I don't think you are a good fit for Wh40k.
You are too... you know.

>>14234366
What other books do you like?
Or hate even. Trying to gauge if I’d be interested enough to read this.

>>14235835
This Succubus drew me in, I’ll admit. Thank you regardless.

>>14235835
That bitch was a cutter.

>>14235992
Hot.

So the decade's almost over - did any new, good fantasy authors emerge during it?

>>14235348
>Death came raining down
>Turgid cock
>CUNNY

What are you smoking I want some.

>>14228792
>Nope
Opinion disregarded out of hand. Nobody who types like this has an opinion worth listening to. It's like listening to a snippy child try to end an argument before his opponent can BTFO him.

>I won't continue here
Point illustrated. Thanks for losing decisively and one-sidedly.

>>14235871
>Anything specific
Not a 40k fan. I just know they are all about space genocide, which is what I assumed you wanted.

>>14236295
>i am right because i am right
>i won, i know what's best

>>14233792
Erikson is not a good writer. He is middling at best and is dragged down constantly by his laborious storytelling and cringe-inducing lack of focus.

People say that the first book is a filter--and I agree, it filters out people with good taste before they can suffer through the rest of his shlock.

>Rothfuss now blames depression on his lack of ability to type words

heh

Why did none of you fags tell me about this sooner?

>>14236364
got the epub/mobi?

Hello lit. Biz here. Memecoin market is down and I'm sad. My favorite genre is sci-fi short stories. Could you recommend a great one that i might have not heard of? I've read most of the "classics"(asimov, bradbury, clarke, ellison etc)

Thank you lit <3 u

>>14236358
"now" he has been doing that pretty fucking consistently. Rothfuss is a fucking HACK.

>>14236431
you mean cuck

>>14236385
Read xianxia

>>14236376
Easily
https://b-ok.cc/book/1831493/b246e7

>>14236447
Porque no los dos?

I don't like the souls game that much but they have a very nice feel to them. They feel sad and mature. I wonder why no fantasy author was ever capable of crafting something similar.

>>14236487
souls ripped nearly everything from the likes of gormenghast lol

>>14236496
Source on that? The guy who made dark souls doesn't seem to be much influenced by western literature.

>>14236461
thanks, will give it a shot.

>>14236487
have you never heard of BERSERK?

ok... oooookay. I just finished Children of Dune, and it was good and all. But what the actual fuck is this Frank Herbert's obsession with sexualizing children? When he first mentioned the spice orgy, I thought it was kind of weird. But it's an old book, so I assumed he was using "orgy" in a not-sexual context. Only to read later, that for sure he meant people were fucking. And everyone partook in the orgy. And they all shared their experiences during the event. So basically everyone was feeling everyone else have sex.
Including the goddamn baby in Jessica's womb.

And it gets worse in Children of Dune. Now, the super children Leto and Ghanima keep mentioning how experienced they are. Like "we're totally legal loli and shota, because we have countless past lives living inside of us." One of them even admitted to partaking in the ritual orgy. Or maybe she was recalling her memories of her aunt's experience in the womb, I forget. Either way, the two little abominations both have the memories of countless sexual experience. And then there's a part where Leto has a wet dream about his future wife, who is 8 years older than him. And tells her as much, and tells her that she will grow to love him. Imagine a fucking 5 year old telling you that you will enjoy fucking him at some point. It's super creepy.

I don't know how old Leto and Ghanima are exactly. I might have missed a mention of years. But I assume the timeskip since their birth is somewhere between 5 and 10 years. So they're little elementary school children going around talking about having sexual partners, taking part in orgies, and Ghanima randomly decides by the end of the book that she's going to marry an adult man. And he just kind of accepts it, because he's been indoctrinated into her family's backward ways.

This is a wild ride, man.

>>14236713
Royalty would marry their 4 year old daughters off for political reasons. I remember Ghanima marrying the Corrino(?) guy being Leto's idea to continue the Atreides bloodline since being half sandworm makes it impossible to fuck.

>>14236505
lol. everything about dark souls is based on him reading western literature without having the best grasp of English.

>>14236713
Normie. You know kids fuck and get sexual feelings right? I was feeling up girls behind my house when I was 8, don't even ask what happened when I reached 11.
Yall normies blind yourselves to life, you think kids are "innocent angels".

>>14236755
Yeah, the young Corrino man, Farad'n. I guess I forgot about old royal marriage practices. But it's still weird. To hear HER say they're going to have kids.

>>14236772
ok, pedo. Don't get your spats in a bunch. Just because you were exposed to sexual things early on, that doesn't mean it's normal. Please stay away from children.

>>14236713
Part of what makes Dune interesting is that it presents situations of moral ambiguity, not in the sense of "this situation's traditional wrong and right choices have untraditional advantages or disadvantages", but moral ambiguity in the sense of "this situation does not map to any preconceived notions of moral correctness". The idea of a preteen with a dozen millennia of memories is uncharted territory as far as human experience goes and of course it gets really goddamn weird when you follow through on the idea. If that makes you uncomfortable you better buckle the fuck up for God Emperor.

>>14236801
>because you messed around with girls when you were young and think nothing is wrong with it, you are a pedo
Are you an old roastie? I didn't say adults can mess with kids, I said kids are sexual. I asked if you are an old roastie because older women can't compete with younger women, so they try to shame men into being with them. I've seen 50 something year old women call men pedos because they are 50 with a 20 something girlfriend.
Pedo means nothing to me now. You idiots mutated the word to have zero meaning. Only old bitter used up roastie women are that stupid.
>omg what? He is 11 and messing around with an 11 year old? Pedo! Pedo!

>>14236818
I see what you mean. Also, I wanted Alia to be better than what she was. When she first killed Baron Harkonnen, and showed how intelligent and powerful she was, I thought she was going to rival Paul. She seemed so competent. And then the next book it's like all of her mass experience meant nothing. She was turned into just a love sick girl, susceptible to her own emotions. Which is strange, considering the supposed endless wisdom passed down to her. Instead, they made her a vessel to bring back the old fat boy-fucker.
I suppose it makes sense within the overall narrative. She is an example of possession, and makes the thread to Leto and Ghanima feel more real. Still, it would have been nice if she didn't go out like a punk.

>>14236924
>I didn't say adults can mess with kids
But that is exactly what I'm talking about. All the examples I gave were in regards to child with adult relationships. So if you're not talking about the same thing, then please be quiet.

>>14236956
>>14236924
Also, 8 years old is rather advanced.

/sffg/, I have a bunch of characters in mind for a story but I'm not sure which ones to include. I know at least 9 who have to be there, but there are a good 7 others who may or may not unbalance the cast with their absence

>molestation and fucking during the ages of 8-11 is normal
Where did these normalfag bloggers come from anyway? Over the past few weeks, we've picked up depressed writefag, misplaced /ck/-anon, and now this dumb fucker.

>>14237015
IKR they should read xianxia where the protagonist remains a virgin for thousands of years

>>14237015
/sffg/ has always had the most degenerate normalscum outside of the /lit/ commie threads

>>14237015
>picked up
anon, I've been here longer than you have

>>14236460

Sorry but i wanted sci-fi not hen-tai

>>14237015
The ck anon has been here for years, if anything you're the newfag.
Outer lit recommended me the black jewels trilogy in 2011, and that book was FUCKED up with the shit that girl got done to her. You also don't read if you don't think our classics aren't rife with kiddie diddling.

>>14237118
>>14236385
So you want short stories? I don't really do those.
Have you tried Heinlein? But you said you don't do hentai, so Heinlein might not be for you.

>>14236385
For a Breath I Tarry
Surely you've read Zelazny, but eh.

>>14237015
hownew.ru

>>14237015

Is the Thrawn trilogy actually worth reading?

>>14237419
No.
Lots of little ideas, but nothing interesting happens. It was so boring

>>14236487
The Night Land

>>14237419
They were okay for star wars books

Is it still considered magical realm if you give every single character an entirely different implied deviantart-tier fetish as a joke, or is the Totally Spies defense a thing?

>>14236358
>>14236431
speaking as a writer, that's actually a pretty valid excuse. Writing isn't something you can just do when it comes down to it. Telling a story you're invested in is more draining than any day job, especially if people are constantly vocally insulting it. Shit's not easy

>>14229264
Based

>>14237561
>>14229264
So Herbert was a pervert with a mom complex?

>>14235051
blood music by greg bear

>>14237419
If you like StarWars, then yes.
If you don't, it won't make you like it and will probably just be a chore.

>>14238025
No, see, I love Star Wars, but this captures nothing of it. The pace is dead. Concepts and characters are introduced seemingly for other people to do something with.

>>14233792
I can tell you have not read Peake

>>14238037
>but this captures nothing of it.
It was more competent and aligned in spirit with StarWars than most of what Lucca's did with it and definitely all of what Disney did with it.

>Concepts and characters are introduced seemingly for other people to do something with.
Yes and other people did stuff with it, this is something every non-standalone book should do, especially one in a universe as large as StarWars, in sff circles this is refered to as "world building".

>>14236932
Alia had to go down like a punk, because of what her role is.
With her infinite wisdom of man, she is always right on a personal level. This is why she is holy to her society: As a actual toddler and kid she is always right in her wisdom, about what a person should do to get their shit together, drawing from her finite wisdom of humanity.
But society is not a man, its a collective of man. On a scale far beyond perception.

Essentially because Alia isn't a Mentat, she can't effortlessly find the pattern of man's effort. And because her job turns into trying to keep up with Super Jesus Mohammed Space Buddha of the 22nd century, which is the Fulcrum the universe turns around.
In the end the Kwisatz Haderach is a parlor trick which is only possible because the predictions of predicting based on prior data can only produce meaningful results against truth saying if its the entire of mankind's lineage. There is also a lot of Space bullshit about quantum paradox regarding seeing the actual future, which will cause it to happen per Schrödingers cat, and the limitations of this vs other heavy spice users that later defines the plot of God Emperor.

3/4th done with Urth of the New Sun. Very good. Can't stop smiling at all the time travel shenanigans becoming clear after he returns to Urth. I think I'll still have plenty of questions at the end but I'll probably reread it in a year or two.

>>14235181
Xcom: the Hades Contingency.

>>14238068
No, it sucked.
Take one example. Mara Jade
I wanted to like her. But just like an ill planned Marvel franchise, she got passed off to do shit all. What and got married to Luke? Great.
Only the older Tales of the Jedi sparked my interest any.

>>14236487
Clark Ashton Smith. Just pick a story and read.

>>14231830
fuck you

>>14235237
100 Liras, a snickers bar is 2 Liras.

>>14238429
Is that just one book or all of them?

>>14238481

>>14238364
HOLD UP!
There are Xcom books?
I know what im gonna do now.

>>14238550
Anon, I...

>>14238595
So i found 3 books on amazon actually.
Gonna read them all and see if they're any good. they are actually all endorsed by Firaxis from the looks of it.

>>14238620
Wait, what?

>>14238708
https://www.amazon.com/XCOM-2-ESCALATION-Rick-Barba/dp/1608879925/
https://www.amazon.com/XCOM-FACTIONS-Kevin-J-Anderson/dp/1608879976/
https://www.amazon.com/XCOM-2-Resurrection-Greg-Keyes/dp/1608877124/

>>14238746
Granted, one is a comic book but id still count it.

>>14235635
Read Gor.

>>14238878
Are you telling him to read Gormenghast because it fits those criteria? It really doesn't. Gormenghast is the anti-Tolkien fantasy. Bar none. It's literally the most cynical (in a good way) fantasy out there. Realistically portrayed characters which don't fit archetypes, a melancholy earl who wants nothing to do with chivalry and customs, etc. etc.

>>14239144
He said "Gor," numbnuts.

This is great. What a wonderful celebration of sorcery.

>>14237419
Every Thrawn book by Zahn is worth reading.

Hey /lit/, I don't normally post here so I don't know of this is the right place but I thought I'd try in a general before creating my own thread.
Recently I read through the Republic Commando novels by Karen Traviss and after finishing the series I now have the emptiness that comes with it. Do any of you have any recommendations for similar novel series in tone etc. ? I'm mostly looking for the concept of family it presents than the commando angle, I've always fantasized about being part of a big interconnected and tightly knit family and it's nice escapism for me.
Thanks in advance!

>>14235635

Terrible post but read Eddison for fuck sake. Hyperconservative interbellum British civil servant (politics somewhere to the right of Evola) writing a renaissance-style romance (not that kind of romance you idiot) setting generally celebrating when men were men and women were women and nobody even pretended to care about poor people. The best part is that unlike Tolkien he was totally irreligious and obviously had no hang-ups about women or sex, so his female characters are well-developed, interesting, and sympathetic without having only five lines before they get married off, or worse, terrible meme spouting action grrls invented by committee.

are there any good scifi or fantasy booktubers?

>>14239527
>no hang-ups about women or sex
i.e., A 'male feminist', read 'creepy rapist'?

No thanks.

>>14239144
>the Gormenghast shill don't even read
>is a newfag that doesn't recognize a book series that has been shilled for years

>>14239466
>stars wars
Leave and return when you read actual books and not movie to text shit.
>I now have the emptiness that comes with it
You Star Wars and lotr fans are the worst. Are you the guy who autisticly cried when watching a fucking trailer?

>>14239648
>>>/tv/
>>>/y/outube

I wrote a fantasy book :(

Also, 56th for Erdogan is actually a decent fantasy novel and Saphhira is a waidu

>>14228625
>What cozy winter books are you reading this year?
The Hogfather

>>14239713
never ask /tv/ for advice. not ever.

>>14237537
the what

What do I read if I really like nightclub aesthetics and techno/trance music?

>>14239648
No.

>>14239692
Based houseplant poster.

>>14235958
I like HP Lovecraft, Iain Banks, David Sedaris, Roger MacBride Allen, and I have a massive soft spot for Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman. Some of the books I've read recently and enjoyed were the Senlin Ascends series by Josiah Bancroft, Hyperion by Dan Simmons, and The Gone-Away World by Nick Harkaway. I read The Loosening Skin by Aliya Whitely and was ambivalent about it. I read Ancestral Night by Elizabeth Bear and really hated it - she should stick to short stories.

>>14239704
'i am angry you like things i dont like'
ok buddy really helpful advice

What are you guys expecting to be released before new years?

Alright I just finished this one.
Kek.
Definitely a Bakker piece. I don't know if it's better to read this knowing or not knowing his writing. You just know something is going fuck everyone in their boypussy and the suspense is pretty tight. Not knowing Bakker would probably take you completely off guard with the second half.
The twist in the last third is kinda bad imo and poorly done.
The book definitely is more direct with Bakkers philosophy and sometimes the characters are little more than mouthpieces. There are similarities like Neil and the Dunyain having similar "powers" which they derive from their insight. It's more subtle with Kelhus which elevates it.
Also the prose is good and shines inbetween the long ramblings but it's not as fitting as it is in his fantasy.
Definitive GRI approved. Especially in the second half when shit his the van.

Any one else read this?

>>14240022
How does it rate on the gri scale?
Is it fully approved or just g and r?
Is it scifi or fantasy?
Does he masturbate with his philosophy in this one?
Is their a slog of slogs within the pages?
Are there whores who are not even worth 10 talents?
Answer these questions and I will add it to my to-read pile.

>>14240077
I have to sadly inform you of the lack of incest.
There is rape, gayness, murder-rape self-mutilating masturbation, cuckolding and a whole torture chapter though.
It's slightly SciFi, maybe a few years into the future.
As for the philosophy, there is a male orgasm that happens while a philosophical debate is taking place. I hope these answers can help you.

Also most of the negative reviews on good reads are made by women who call it disgusting.

>>14240118
>Also most of the negative reviews on good reads are made by women who call it disgusting
I'm not one of the anons who reads books just because women rated it low, fellow gri aficionado. I may add it to my pile for next year.

>>14240118
Most of the reviews on GR are posted by women in general anon.

>>14240022
>Definitive GRI approved
Not surprising. Bakker is, after all, the father of GRI APPROVAL. He was the one who the meme was founded on, and as such, anything he writes will have a strong base of gri built into the cornerstone of his works.

>>14237652
Yes
>>14240118
>I have to sadly inform you of the lack of incest.
Dropped

>>14240407

The source must flow.

>>14240418
See >>14229264

>>14240077
even by the standard of 4ch you are one sad sad individual.

>>14240465
He seems pretty normal to me.

What an absolute niggerjew you must be to think Tolkien is any good.
An absolute hack, an arse on top of wench of fantasy literature or some shit like that.
Unfixable taste, literal faggots ruining the great genre as invented by such geniuses as Dunsany, Peake, and Lafferty; indeed, a genre that is, in a way, a continuation of, and an extension to, the literary traditions of Bulgakov, Rulfo, Chesterton, and Poe, single-handedly ruined by a bunch of Orc-fetishising manchildren who are unable to leave their mother's basement.
Go play your dungeons and diggers and stop butchering this glorious literary movement.

---------------------------------------------------

Tolkien is the wen on the arse of fantasy literature. His oeuvre is massive and contagious—you can't ignore it, so don't even try. The best you can do is consciously try to lance the boil. And there's a lot to dislike—his cod-Wagnerian pomposity, his boys-own-adventure glorying in war, his small-minded and reactionary love for hierarchical status-quos, his belief in absolute morality that blurs moral and political complexity. Tolkien's clichés—elves 'n' dwarfs 'n' magic rings—have spread like viruses. He wrote that the function of fantasy was 'consolation', thereby making it an article of policy that a fantasy writer should mollycoddle the reader

>>14240548
tl;dr

>>14240548
Do you want a sticker?

>write a fantasy series in part as criticism of gurm for not finishing his series
>dont even finish the second book before releasing it

>>14240584
Are you offering one?

>>14240490
Well he's certainly dedicated to his fetish but is definitely lacking in wanting literary merit.

>>14239466
Since you like star wars you could try the Halo books written by Eric Nylund, they are pretty similar to the Commando series.
also the X-Wing series by Stackpole
>big interconnected and tightly knit family
The Rolling Stones by Heinlein
Vorkosigan Saga
>>14239826
>Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman
Nice
daily reminder to all posters to read Dragonlance Legends

Are there any good books that show monster slaying? I'm talking about man against a dragon, or a massive beast or what have you. Something BIG and hard to kill. Bonus points if it's pulpy.

I've read Beowulf, all the LotR stuff, the Witcher, most of Conan...

Short stories are okay, too.

>>14240594
Yea

>>14240674
The Year of Rogue Dragons

>>14240787
Do you have one that just makes fun of disabled people instead?

>>14240836
>The Year of Rogue Dragons

Thank you very much!

>>14240618
Pseud

>>14240621
thanks i'll try them out, not to invested in the sci fi or military aspect so much but thanks for the recs

>>14239738
the Totally Spies defense. totally spies was a french cartoon that aired internationally during the early 2000s on Cartoon Network. it was infamous for featuring pretty much horrible deviantart-tier fetish you can think of at some point or another. there was so much of it interspersed so randomly that you can't even claim it was Author Appeal because of the sheer unlikelihood that the creators had that many weird fetishes. the only conclusion is that it was a joke.

speaking for my own characters, ive already got characters with kinks such as asymmetry, buff jesus, tile patterns, bondage, inflation and body horror, and for at least a few of them, its where most of their distinctiveness is coming from

Your taste is shit
You're a cunt
/thread
Sandertolk Jordlawrence Martinweeks cunts, I hate you all so much
/sffg/ a litrpg general when?

>>14241032
Why don't you read a nice book anon?

>>14241063
If anyone still doubts the evil that the jews are capable of commiting, this is a prime example.
I award you reddit platinum, kind stranger.

>>14241186
Don't make me blush :3

>>14241063
>It's a rape chapter

>>14238372
>But just like an ill planned Marvel franchise, she got passed off to do shit all. What and got married to Luke? Great.
???
Yes, not every character someone likes can get the pagetime someone wants.

This is idiot tier criticism, you aren't criticizing the plot, the characters, how the whole thing fits into the entire universe, the world building, the prose, or ANYTHING relevant at all.
Your sole criticism is that a character you didn't like didn't get as much pagetime as you wanted, are you seriously retarded? Do you know how criticism works?

>>14235196
libgen is free :)

>>14240674
Xianxia

Sometimes we always never read

>>14236713
>Unironically naming a Character Ghanima
That's "booty," as in war booty. What a retard.

>tfw going to finish Coiling Dragon this year
>tfw may actually finish Desolate Era by or during January

>>14242114
Read more mate

>>14241501
that how you know is srs book

>>14230894
My chick uses the Sony reader for laptop reading and she said it gets the job done. I only read on my phone and tablet, so I almost exclusively use Google's Play Books app because it lets me store and sync everything in the cloud.

The ways of kings is painfully slow. How is this so highly rated on reddit.

>>14242450
That's the whole point, it's supposed to fill that long epic fantasy hole that readers who miss stuff like Wheel of Time want and then turn that need meeting into a tv/film deal.
Attempting to be actually good or well written is like Sanderson's 5th highest priority for that series.

>>14228625
A H.G.Wells character on a sci-fi novel dissing sci-fi novels. From Star Begotten, 193:

>You – what do you find in all these Utopias and Visions of the Future of yours? I suppose you get the same stuff over and over again, first of all caricatures of current novelties – skyscrapers five thousand feet high, aeroplanes at two thousand miles an hour, radio receivers on your wrist-watch; secondly, discursive minor novelties along the lines of current research; thirdly, attempts to be startling in artistic matters by putting it all in an insanely unusual and extravagant decor; and, finally, odd little fancies about sex relations and a scornfully critical attitude towards the present time.

>But these people of the future are invariably represented as being – I put it mildly – prigs and damned fools. World peace is assumed, but the atmosphere of security simply makes them seem rather aimless, fattish, and out of training. They are collectively up to nothing – or they are off in a storm of collective hysteria to conquer the moon or some remote nonsense of that sort. Imaginative starvation. They have apparently made no advances whatever in subtlety, delicacy, simplicity. Rather the reverse. They never say a witty thing; they never do a charming act. The general effect is of very pink, rather absurdly dressed celluloid dolls living on tabloids in a glass lavatory. That’s about true, isn’t it?”

>“Lamentably so,” smiled the doctor. “Nobody seems able to do much better. Some of ’em try to put it over portentously. Some make faces as they do it. But whether you preach about the Future or sneer about the Future, it remains, all the same, an empty sack that won’t stand up.”

>“Alternatively to these progressive Utopias,” said Keppel, carefully not looking at Davis, “the future world relapses into the romantic stench of a not very carefully preserved past? . . . You don’t believe either story of course; none of us do; but the trouble is that we have no material in our minds out of which we can build a concrete vision of things to come. How can we see or feel the future until we have made the future and are actually there? All the same–”

>“Yes?”

>Dr. Holdman Stedding was amused to see his friend descending into the pit in which so many a prophet had preceded him and perished.

What sci-fi books/movements do not fit in this description?

>>14242638
Dune

>>14240017
Nothing. Publishing is dead.

>>14241956

Is this Wolfe's,, bad,, book?

>>14236713
>Begin God Emperor.
>In the first chapter.
>Thrust into a life-or-death situation.
>Someone dies.
>A girl is running for her life.
>Frank Herbert decides now is the time to describe how all the boys notice the sensual curves of the girl's tite runner's body
Oh boy, we're off to a start. I can't wait to learn how young this girl is. It's still ambiguous, but I'm guessing 14-16.

>>14242059
She was purposely named by her father to mean "spoils of war". He was being symbolic. It was a crazy time.

>>14243213
T. Female reader

>>14243382
All man. 6 mighty inches of man.

>>14243213
I told you to buckle the fuck up. Have you buckled the fuck up?

>>14240548
Tolkien is a good writer and he wrote good books, his success and market influence however was an utter disaster.

>>14242638
EM Forster's "The Machine Stops"

>>14243418
I don't think anything can prepare me! I'm diving in!

>>14241557
The book introduces characters and concepts and has no interest in doing anything with them (except to kill one off) It's a waste of time. I can't remember how he filled three whole books with fluff and air
>Your sole criticism
I said "take one example" dude. I liked the character. I thought she'd be neat. But no. She did nothing but sulk and grind her teeth. Was she Palpatine's daughter? I donno. The book wasn't for anything to do with her. A book ought to be more than world building and prose.
Kevin J. Anderson's Jedi Academy trilogy had a story arch where stuff happened. It was far more interesting. Had real emotional moments. Not a great series, but better than Thrawn
>Do you know how criticism works?
You suck.

>>14243530
Oof

>>14243530
Jedi Academy is dogshit imo. theres a decent idea at the root of it with an ancient sith ghost trying to wreck shit but the story is handled in the most retarded and clumsy way imaginable and Anderson is just a bad writer. but Thrawn trilogy is really overrated too. Zahn succeeded because he captured the voices of individual Star Wars characters, his lines for Han Luke and Leia you can immediately imagine the actors saying. His actual plotting and characterization is really blah

most SW books are complete tosh if you ask me. the best ones are
-the very early Han Solo and Lando Calrissian adventures, both of which come from a time when SW as a setting felt much looser and less up its own ass and both of which are fun trilogies of weird space adventures.
-Cloak of Deception and Shadow Hunter, two prequels to Phantom Menace, both feel like they were telling parts of that movie's story that it forgot to tell.
-Revenge of the Sith adaptation. weird to say but it's a really good read
-Path of Destruction but not its sequels

>>14243703
I liked the Yuuzhan Vong books

>>14243530
>>14243703

oh yeah i forgot one of my biggest dunks on Jedi Academy. I don't like the basic concept (of Luke starting a Jedi academy) at all. the Disney movies ended up doing this too (or at least saying it happened, they don't really show it at all) and i just don't think it's at all a good idea for Luke's character. He came away from Return of the Jedi with a very different outlook from Ben or Yoda. His vision of what being a Jedi means should not just be "well lets set up the old time religion again". It would have been a much better idea to have a more conflicted, uncomfortable Luke in the sequel stuff: he's not a teacher or a high priest, he's a fighter pilot and a warrior in an age where the war has been won. he should be like a wandering ronin doing good out there in a hard world, not fucking setting up schools.

I finished Mistborn today. i liked it
Sanderson is still a footfag

When do nominations and voting begin for December's novel?

>>14244256
Xianxia

>>14243088
no that honor belongs to operation ares

What’s up with all this slice of life Chinese webnovels where people compete in how expensive a car they have

>>14244600
You know, insectoids, shallow, pathetic, subhuman as they come.

>>14244530
Not down with chink shit dickhead.

can we talk about Vin's feet?

>>14244530
>>14244635
Cradle was nominated ~2 months ago but was turned down by whoever runs the nominations, due to it being book 1 of a series which is rather peculiar considering we've had THREE of these "book 1 of" titles now in the Monthly Reading club

>>14244956
>>14211380

>>14243779
The Jedi Academy stuff is very related to some of the narrative problems underlying Lucas' development of the universe. When we meet Obi-Wan in Episode IV, the Jedi are itinerant warrior-monks. Sure, they serve a lord (well Lucas is an American, so they serve The Republic), but there isn't some Central Jedi Authority where you go to Jedi School. If there were masters, they were a combination of hermits, wanderers, and probably some independent abbots in ancient, secluded monasteries. I think this is true all the way through the original trilogy, though I suppose it's not completely out of the question that Luke might have founded a school so he could take on more than one disciple. As you point out though, Luke's view of being a "Jedi" is probably different than Obi-Wan or Yoda. Still, the OT never really concerned itself with questions of the future government, so it's not surprising that it never had much to say about the future Jedi. The good guys win, the end.

In the pre-Disney EU, the problem wasn't that Luke founded a "Jedi Academy" but that it was more like a sort of boarding school, a proto-Hogwarts, rather than a dojo-monastery. No surprise given the background and quality of the EU authors.

Lucas greatly reinforced this problem in the prequels. Decades of living in Progressive America meant Lucas lost the vision of the mendicant Jedi; now they're the Ministry of Mystical Affairs with a plush headquarters in the middle of the District of Coruscant. Knights file regular communiques to HQ, where the Jedi masters hold progress update meetings in the Jedi Conference Room twice a week.

NEW THREAD
>>14245000
NEW THREAD

>>14243530
>The book introduces characters and concepts and has no interest in doing anything with them
Yes, it is trying to set up an entire universe to build upon.
You can surely critizise it's lack of focus and that might be a legitimate argument, but then do so from the start.

>I said "take one example" dude
And I assumed, because I was trying to argue in good faith, that it was your best argument against the books.
If you are trying to make an argument for something giving an example of a very, very minor criticism is simply idiotic.

Do you understand this? If you are trying to argue why something is bad you HAVE to mention major criticisms and minor nitpicks, such as *again* you being annoyed that a certain character you liked didn't do enough simply is not a relevant point of critique. Any work of fiction is limited in size and as such for most people in most books a certain character will feature too little, which makes you complaining about it totally irrelevant, since it is an inherent flaw of any finite medium.

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