/lit/ - Literature

It's not that you're supposed to think nothing, it's that you're not supposed to think more than necessary.

>>14226300
It's not compatible with the way of thinking you're conditioned to if you've been raised in the West. Look into autogenics instead where ideological and spiritual underpinnings have been removed or adjusted to Western thought.

i hate americans so much

>>14226320
Not really an argument. Try again?

>>14226320
Hello France

>shave head
>wear a uniform
>don't think
>use a swastika
Are buddhists n-n-n-nazis?

>>14226335
>you are French if you hate America
rent free as far as I can see

>>14226341
>nazi
>don't think
go back to the american website called reddit dot com

>>14226343
It is a common pattern here

>>14226316
What's the point of it?
Are you more relaxed, more focused as a person?
Can I use the realizations in my daily life?

Why would a Western man meditate or delve into these religions/philosophies especially given that we're not about to become monks?

>>14226345
have sex

>>14226360
I bet 4chan has more sex than reddit per capita.
Dilate

>>14226360
I wouldn't even rape you, I wouldn't want to take the chance of having some retard baby with half my genes out there somewhere, embarrassing me

>>14226300
It is only a waste of time if you have something better to do in your life which you obviously don't.

>>14226359
>Are you more relaxed, more focused as a person?
Yes absolutely.
>Can I use the realizations in my daily life?
Yes, especially if you log them.

>>14226368
Like.. spending my time to improve my career.

>>14226360
ok coomer

>>14226370
Is there a study confirming that or just some "trust me bro" collection of impressions?

>>14226396
There's plenty, the Japanese have a scientific journal dedicated to study the technqiue and there have been plenty of studies over the past decades. Look for Micah Sadigh or Luis de Rivera for recent literature on the topic.

>>14226418
Thank you.
Will look into it

>>14226388
What a retarded thing to care about.

>>14226388
>career
More like going through the same breakdown that every other pleb that is irrelgious eventually goes through in becoming increasingly anxious over mundane trivialities and hopelessly dependent on people in their lives for things like continual reassurance until they get old and decay with age unremarkably without having contributed anything to the enlightenment their own psyche or of the rest of humanity.

>>14226300
>How is this not considered a huge waste of time?
https://youtu.be/eIh6VRoTDY8

>>14226300
You can only waste your time when you cling to it.

>>14226468
>>14226475
But having more money means potentially having more freedom and more time. You don't want to downplay that for the sake of some mind clarity.

>>14226300
>waste of time
never gonna make it, child

>>14226512
People tethered to their material desires and carnal indulgences are probably have suprising little freedom since in modern society being wealthy means being dependent on some personal connection or another. Even Gotama was born into a position of privilege and would have been caught up in all the worldly and familial schemes others in similar position go through had he taken a different path. It's said that what makes the wealthy and successful person different from the average person is how they make use of their time.

>>14226300
>waste of time

ITT: no one here meditates.

Lmao, anyone would see the obvious issue with OP'S dumb idea of meditation. Protip : it's not do nothing/think nothing. Just just the most retarded thing ever. Buddhist medition is mindfulness, not mindlessnsss. Your brain is working hard to maintain a focus on something. Whether that is flow of air, sensation and feeling of the limbs, analyzing the thoughts, etc.

>>14226300
Breath meditation is not part of buddhist doctrine.

>>14226300
it's actually one of the most difficult things you can do and it'll make you realize how the compulsion to be busy is a psychological defense mechanism like them all

>>14226418
>Japanese have a scientific journal dedicated to study the technqiue
what is it called

>>14226932
>how the compulsion to be busy is a psychological defense mechanism
Against what?

>>14226300
This is why all buddhist countries are shitholes

>>14226951
the inner void. sit down for 10 minutes just following your breath and you'll be craving stimulation. 99% of problems come down to that craving. maintain yourself in the void, though, and you eventually achieve enlightenment.

>>14226921
>just breathe bro
>just feel the air go in and out bro
>just feel the calmness of your asshole bro
Same crap, utter waste of time.

>>14226987
no, more like overcome your dependency on stimulation and become calm and self-possessed

>>14226954
Sexually tolerant meccas with low crime compared to western virtue signaling shitholes.

>>14226954
East Asia seems pretty based to me

Pic is pretty much what the western Abrahamic barbarian attitude toward cultural heritage has been for most of their history. Communism is also a western barbarian concept.

>>14226300
>implying being lost in thought is not a waste of time

>>14226300
You are already thinking/doing nothing desu

>>14226300
It's utter cringe and mystic mumbojumbo nonsense. I am glad glorious Xi is poised to eradicate reactionary superstitions during his enlightened rule.

>>14226396
>If science don''t say it it not real

>>14227028
Not because of street shitting buddhism. Buddhist Japan was a stagnant shithole. Japan became great after they rejected street shitting

>After Commodore Perry's visit, Japan began to deliberately accept Western culture to the point of hiring Westerners to teach Western customs and traditions to the Japanese starting in the Meiji era. Many Japanese politicians have since also encouraged the Westernization of Japan using the term Datsu-A Ron, which means the argument for "leaving Asia" or "Good-bye Asia". In Datsu-A Ron, "Westernization" was described as an "unavoidable" but "fruitful" change. After Japan's surrender to the United States and its allies ended World War II, the Westernization process of Japanese culture was further intensified and today, Japan is notably among the most Westernized countries in Asia.

>With the Meiji Restoration in 1868, the new government adopted a strong anti-Buddhist attitude, and a movement to eradicate Buddhism and bring Shinto to ascendancy arose throughout the country due to the strong connections of Buddhism to the Shōguns.

>During the Meiji period (1868–1912), after a coup in 1868, Japan abandoned its feudal system and opened up to Western modernism. Shinto became the state religion. Within the Buddhist establishment the Western world was seen as a threat as well as a challenge to stand up to.[19][20] Buddhist institutions had a simple choice: adapt or perish. Rinzai and Soto Zen chose to adapt, trying to modernize Zen in accord with Western insights, while simultaneously maintaining a Japanese identity. Other schools, and Buddhism in general, simply saw their influence wane. The edict of April 1872 ended the status of the Buddhist precepts as state law and allowed monks to marry and to eat meat.[21] This "codification of a secularized lifestyle for the monk coupled with the revival of the emperor system and development of State Shinto were fundamental in desacralizing Buddhism and pushing it to the margins of society".[22]

>It is estimated that 40,000 Buddhist temples were destroyed in Japan during this disastrous nationwide anti-Buddhist mayhem, and in certain places the percentage of Buddhist temples destroyed reached 80%.[9]

>>14226359
Because It's scientifically proven (for now) that meditation helps dealing with anxiety and boost focus.

>>14226582
Beautiful post

>>14226418
>>14226947
I'm interested too

>>14227242
lel imagine thinking Meiji restoration period is not worst Japanese period

>>14227308
cope

>>14226360
Based. It's all you need to say to quasi fascist incels to get then riled up

>>14227242
Based. West is best, fuck cringe Guenon incels and orientalist brainlets.

>The Molinistas, as do certain Buddhists of my own land, believ’d that the most direct Way to the Deity was to sit, quietly. If this meant using Jesus as but a stage on a journey, or even passing him by, why so be it. Buddhists speak of finding it necessary, if the Buddha be blocking one’s Way, to kill him. Jesuits do not like to hear this sort of thing, of course, it puts far too much into question. If access to God need not be by way of Jesus, what is to become of Jesuits? And the sheer amount of Silence requir’d,—do you think they could ever abide that?

>>14227242
japanese never had integrity to begin with
all they do is bounce from imitating one powerful culture to another from time to time
you care about japs cause of your homosexual weaboo instincts or something, asia was and always will be run by indians and chinks

>>14227337
have sex

>>14226359
You learn being in control of your mind.

>>14227242
Medieval Japan was cleaner than Medieval Europe. Meiji restoration was "just consume product, then get excited for next product" as a national ideology.

>>14227242
Is there anything more cringe than folk shamanism forced to behave like some Protestant state church that Shinto was made to be? Japan is a country of LARPers par excellence, they go ever brazen and retarded into emulating whatever seems to be the dominant regional power with zero self-reflection.

>>14226962
>>14227285
There is no such thing as breath meditation in Buddhism.

>>14227463
Medieval Japan lasted until the 19th century kek

>>14226512
More freedom and more time for the sake of mental clarity, though. Buddhism is fundamentally about restructuring the value hierarchy that humans in a society mistakenly create. Money and worldly possessions are not the end goals that anyone should strive for, and the majority of people accidentally end up putting those material objects of desire at the top of their value hierarchy.

this thread sucks. buddhism is a liberation ontology. the focuses of meditation may be to strengthen concentration, or a way to actually realize one's true nature. just saying "think about nothing" shows your illiteracy

>>14226921
>Your brain is working hard
Ahahaha no

>>14227544
based

>>14226932
>meditation
>difficult
It's like saying relaxing is diffuclt uggh *pulls muscle* i-it's h-heavy

>>14227381
you?

>>14226921
/lit/ generally has good discussions of Buddhism but this thread is just full of retarded fedora contrarians.

>>14227518
You already said that. No one seems to care.
Elaborate, what is their form of meditation then?

>>14227708
Not breath meditation :^)

>>14226512
When goods increase, they increase who eat them, and what advantage has their owner but to see them with his eyes?
Ecclesiastes 5 11

>>14226320
Keep seething cuck. America number one.

>>14227704
And all the "real Buddhists" seem to be pseuds because they can't answer a simple question.
Why on earth would one waste his time on meditation?

>>14226300
>How is this not considered a huge waste of time?
When you're a parasite with literal slaves to do everything, you can afford it.. until comrade Mao arrives to slit your throat.

>>14226300
The whole purpose of meditation isn't focus, even though that comes as a side-effect to the practice. The point of basic meditation is to turn off the brain, nervous system, muscles, similar to the trance state reached before a hypnosis session. The EEG frequency inside the skull should match a slow theta pattern of around 5 hz, which is below alpha. The eyes roll up, the subjective experience is of turning off and letting go muscles and nerves. The practice consists in getting used to such relaxation. The monks usually sit down due to hygiene and to prevent sleep. Breath awareness is useful because the breath slows down and this way you know you are turning off. It's not about obsessing with the breath, which is something the Western might be mistaken about. It's not also about the specific sitting position, which come from tradition.

>>14227753

see: >>14227647, genius. you "waste time" on meditation to develop direct understanding of yourself and of reality. merely spouting opinions on metaphysics like a parrot is not enough

>>14226345
Nazis are the brainlet version of fascists.

also, all of the idiots in here that have watched one ken wheeler video need to calm down. if you tell someone that breath meditation is useless and fail to delineate what you're talking about, you're just as bad as anyone else. you should be concentrating on an object, but liberation is found in the "breath of life", or the atman

>>14227826
>atman
No such thing. Get the fuck out eternalist.

>>14227841

"buddhists" really are dumb

>nearly 80 replies
>lots of insults
>no clear explanations of meditation

>>14226359
it has a (questionable) metaphysical basis

>>14226947
>>14227285
Japanese Journal of Autogenic Therapy
https://www.jsoat.jp/
http://www.autogenics.com.au/resources/
If you read German I can recommend Günther Krapf, Bernt Hoffmann or Helmut Brenner. The latter published a book focusing on meditative applications of autogenics. So did Luis de Rivera, which is available in English.

>>14226345
all you dumbos have is hitler and schmitt. that's it, that's the extent of your intellectuals

>>14226345
Why do /pol/tards get triggered by the stupidest shit?

>>14227923
>t. triggered

>>14227753
You meditate so you can disidentify with the psychophysical and get enlightened. Why else?

>>14227841
>>14227826
*atmen

>>14227848
You Advaitins have watered down the concept of Atman to such an extent just trying to keep up with the Buddhists so its essentially meaningless now. All it does is cause a bunch of cults where people cling to a sense of self that is at the same time theirs and all pervasive and uNconDitIOnEd. Now all you got is a bunch of hippies greasing each other up, piling themselves up and sliding in and out of it like they're some sort of amphibious dolphins. Or they're in the backyard crawling around in the grass looking at earthworms and pretending they feel a sense of unity with them.

>>14226300
Everything is a waste of time If you think about it long enought.
I dont believe in the capacity of human beings to obtain liberation through human means, But If I did trying to do so would be the only thing that wouldn't quality as a waste of time.

>>14228134
everything except putting your dilznik in a fat bitches's badoinkadoink

>>14226360
Thirsty leftist whores.

>>14228142
To do what? Reproduce and continue your line?
The universe is marching at top speed towards hear death anyway, why putting effort into reproducing when your line will still eventually become extinct.
If you think about it deeply enought, everything is a waste of time.

>>14228118

not sure what your argument is? are you making fun of spiritual seekers that have been led astray? are you making fun of the doctrinal differences that we have? its exhausting to talk to people like you that only think in memes

>>14228159
>To do what? Reproduce and continue your line?
no, to get yo fucc on.

>>14228164
>are you making fun of spiritual seekers that have been led astray?
Yes.
>are you making fun of the doctrinal differences that we have?
Yes.

>>14226330
>>14226335
America is about 3% of the world population yet houses 22% of the worlds prisoners. 1 in 47 US citizens are either incarcerated, on parole, on probation or some other form of post correctional supervision. Sure you can buy guns and HRT easier but nah it is pretty trash here

>>14228288

well my friend, you might want to learn what words mean before you go around making fun of what you don't understand

http://www.mysticknowledge.org/148a-Concentration__A_Guide_To_Mental_Mastery__By_Mouni-Sadhu.pdf

^ for individuals interested in meditation techniques

>>14228330
I do not read anything written post-1945 and I definitely do not read western "spiritual masters".

Thanks though.

>>14227285
How do you scientifically prove that?

>>14228408

decent personal vow, but that was directed towards people who are interested in learning meditation techniques in plain english

>>14226300
think of it this way. Is sleep a waste of time? it can feel like it. But its necessary for your brain to put things in order.

Its not like your brain stops working when your meditating. Its still computing, you are just not aware of it. Get rid of the clutter, optimize your brain

>>14228330
Quit shilling your schizo website.

You need to relax your anus. I've been spending years subconsciously clenching my asshole all day and it made me a stuck up person. Once I learned to let go I became much more easy going and sociable.

>>14228975
Based enlightened homo

>>14228306
>HRT
opinion discarded

>>14229103
I literally gave you statistics from BJS