/lit/ - Literature

>>14215004
because he's just a jinn

The conflict in the book isn't the war, it's actually Arjuna not following dharma. If Krishna just zapped everyone then the conflict wouldn't be resolved.

>>14215020
Dude muh free will

Its just a story stop asking retarded logistical questions about the literal events described in religious texts you dumb fucking hylic
>>14215020
Dude muh free will

as i see it the point is to lead the atman to virtue. the battle didn't just need to be won; arjuna needed to win himself. the battle is a tool of krishna to conduct arjuna to a virtuous course. as we see in the gita, krishna is all-encompassing; everything is him. he can effect any physical outcome he cares to effect, but that is irrelevant here. the struggle is of the soul.

>>14215004
Dhritarashtra was the ineffectual but sympathetic king, Duryodhana was the baddie

>>14215451
Not sure what you mean
>>14215468
But the logistical question doesn't make sense in the story either. The story is literally about following dharma. Krishna zapping Dhrita Rashtra is not dharma.

>>14215451
>>14215468
The Bhagavad Gita is anti-free will.

>>14216687
>>14215468
>>14215451
I forgot to mention, in the text, Krishnu advises against individualism multiple times and says to follow dharma not free will. Have you even read the text? I will admit that I'm frustrated by the sheer idiocy of both of your replies to me. At least read the book before you comment some dumb shit about me explaining the book.

>>14215004
Better question would be was Krishna a non-dualist or a theist?

>>14216705
how so? seems to me like the central theme is choosing the right way

>>14215009
Did you read The Atlantean Necronomicon? Batshit book, so fun
>MUH JINNS

>>14216718
Free will is deciding to follow good or evil, and Krishna is an advocate for following good. Nowhere does he say anything against individualism.

>>14216742
Qualified Non-Dualism of course

>>14216808
To be fair the argument of the book is to adhere to civic duty over personal pussy-ass concerns.

Like an adult male should.

>>14215020
this is the right answer, the story is a justification of the caste system

>>14216755
Krishna's point is that while Arjuna may think he has a choice, he really doesn't, and liberation comes from accepting your role.

Honestly it's not so much a mystical text as it is propaganda to convince the lower castes to shut up and do their jobs. Which of course they should.

>free will
>civic duty
>dharma
oh great more spooks

>>14216819
>Honestly it's not so much a mystical text as it is propaganda to convince the lower castes to shut up and do their jobs.
How about they kill you instead?

>>14216819
~t. Didn't Get Past Chapter 3

Oh, anon

>>14216827
Without civic duty, society turns to shit aka DEGENERACY.

LIKE THE WHOLE EARTH UNDER INDIVUALISM RIGHT NOW, LOOK OUT THE WINDOW, FUCK

>>14216817
>>14216818
Only really for the warrior caste Arjuna was a part of. He had an obligation to fight in the war but didn't want to for various reasons.

>>14216819
>Honestly it's not so much a mystical text as it is propaganda to convince the lower castes to shut up and do their jobs.
What if i told you, on the mystical level the two sides of the battle represent the two different hemispheres of the brain.

>>14216845
ok boomer

>>14216833
>>14216819
>lower castes

The varnashrama division of labor is integral by nature. The design is for the successful integration of a mixed society.

Every caste is important and society can't work without it.

The shudra is as important as the kshatriya.

It includes and integrates all of society instead of creating underclasses and lumpenprole on the fringes, parasitically fucking over society.

>>14216833
>>14216841
>>14216845
>>14216867

>>14216808
Krishna is not advocating following good. You're looking at this from a very western point of view. He's advocating to follow right action.
>Nowhere does he say anything against individualism
This honestly makes me think you haven't read the book.
>When he renounces all desires
and acts without craving,
possessiveness,
or individuality, he finds peace.

>>14216874
Go back and read the spoiler.

>>14216874
It sounds nice in theory but what you actually end up with is a bunch of smelly drones living in mudhuts at the bottom and then you tell them they should be content. The only solution to class war is to revert back to tribalism or very small agricultural communities. This will occur after a great cataclysm.

>>14216877
Right action is good.

And there is a lot of talk of not being ruled by ego identification or base desires but that doesn't mean you shouldn't be an individual.

>>14216899
This is propaganda from Socialist and Capitalists against Feudalism.

I implore you to read Feudal Society and other materials and stop the meme the Hollywood depiction of feudalism

>>14216913
Any recs?

>>14216905
Basically one can't act as an individual without knowing their own identity. Once you realize true identity, you then freely choose duty as a vocational calling

>>14216905
Right action is good not because it is morally good, but because it lead to divine wisdom. Immoral actions come from ignorance and moral actions are a byproduct of this divine wisdom. In regards to individualism, Krishna advises against it as Arjuna only has a duty, not a choice.

>>14216917
https://mises.org/wire/feudalism-system-private-law (not advocating ancapism with this to be clear, just good crit) and picrel

>>14216917
This as well

>>14216941
He has an alternative, it's just not a good one. He had to be educated on why.

>>14216941
He has the duty to fight in the war but the choice of which side. Krishna naturally favors the right hemisphere of the brain and tries to encourage Arjuna to join that one.

>moral actions are a byproduct of this divine wisdom.
And yes, the morality they talk about in the story is more like natural law. So it's actually about divine wisdom leading to morality.

>>14216965
He had an alternative in the same way that you and I have an alternative to following the law by breaking it. We're both required to uphold the law, breaking the law is not allowed, in the same way that Arjuna is required to uphold Dharma.

>>14216987
We can break the law, people do all the time, there's simply consequences, even if we don't get caught by authorities. It degenerates and degrades society