/lit/ - Literature

because our psychology demands concrete nomoi and modernity constantly undermines such so we are compelled to create smaller more secure nomoi to survive

>>14190222
>Why are there so many fascists, reactionaries, racists, homophobes, antisemites, mysoginists, etc on here? Not even memeing it's really weird. Why do people here indulge in too much ideology and why are they so resentful?

>>14190222
Dude, I just don't want to be replaced by brown people or be told that my son is neither boy nor girl.

>>14190222
The strong use anonymous imageboards to project the multitudinous nature of their personality (Pessoan heteronyms). The weak are turned into mindless drones, become part of a hivemind.

Yeah and a shit ton of Marxists and other edgelords like that antinatalist. It's fucking tiring.

I just wanna talk about books for pete's sake!

>>14190222
Why are there so many unironic deus vult larpers?

>>14190238
Nothing wrong with Marxism.

It's because they don't read theory or anything with intellectual rigor

>>14190230
Sounds like you are spooked out

Why is everyone bumping the slide thread?

>>14190255
No, anon, sounds like you are spooked out and completely oblivious to recent developments.

>>14190230
You’re not going to be replaced and nobody’s forcing your hypothetical child to be genderless. Stop listening to right-wing shills that use soft brains to peddle their their views and buy their shit products

>>14190265

>>14190273
Keep being lied to that minorities are the problem! It’s definitely not the rich elites that are making your life worse! It’s the average brown person for sure! Keep buying and don’t criticise capitalism anon!

>>14190258
I know the internet may seem like a big deal, but even facebook is such a small part of the real world. Hate to burst your bubble, but neither did /pol/ have any influence on the 2016 election, neither does some clickbait article have any influence on gender norms. When you spend some time outside you'll realize nobody acts like they are on twitter 24/7.

>>14190276
>rich elites

>>14190279
>haha it's not really happening
>also, we WILL replace you and gender is a social construct btw

>>14190283
Have an original thought for once

>WHY ARE THERE PEOPLE WHO CHALLENGE MY BELIEFS

You're in the asshole of the Internet

Because the current state of affairs within the human-rights oriented paradigm of international politics is so intolerable that the only alternative is to embrace something that opposes it at the fundamental level.

>>14190222
>/pol/

>>14190276
>There can only be one cause of the problem

>>14190222

Right-wingers are the only ones reading books right now.

>>14190279
>Hate to burst your bubble, but neither did /pol/ have any influence on the 2016 election
When I think there are people who actually believe their epic maymays have influenced an election I suddenly feel smarter.

>>14190276
Have you actually spent any time around brown people?

>>14190346
He mentioned fascists, reactionaries, racists, homophobes, antisemites, mysoginists – not right-wingers.

ITT:
>becuz there dumb
>becuz we smart

You're not entitled to not have your views challenged and the same goes for the other side.

>>14190347
Dunno
Le epic right wing mouth pieces on YouTube, and even Donald Jr spout /pol/ tier memes, with Clinton even calling out pepe directly.
I wouldn't discount the propaganda that comes out of there

What was the board like pre-election? Genuinely curious.

>>14190222
Some leftoid once told me to read a book so here I am

>>14190379
Less blatant political shit, but quality content wasn't much more frequent.

>>14190222
>fascists,
reasonable reaction to the present. more or less 'fuck off' masquerading as a political position
>reactionaries,
basically the right wing version of marxists, look at muh theory, look how extreme i am
> racists,
racism is simply true. or very likely true
>homophobes,
I think this is mostly memes, the word faggot doesnt really mean faggots
>antisemites,
jews are sort of dicks but it is overblown by some people
> mysoginists
women are absolutely ridiculous. hate is a bit much but being sexist is normal

>>14190352
Those are all right wing positions

>>14190488
>Marxism
>reactionary
retard
and race is a spook

>>14190498
Marxism is literally posited as a reaction/antithesis to capitalism. Without capitalism, there can be no Marxism properly speaking. Its not "reactionary" in the way that the reactionary right is, but it is explicitly stated as something that takes a stance against an existing trend.

>>14190222
Stick around and find out OP

>>14190517
That's not what reactionary means

>>14190384
rene complained about race mixing but literally spawned two half-mulatto kids. evola is superior. rene can go be priest caste nibba in his african shithole lmao

>>14190498
your mum fucked a spook

>>14190498
I said it's the right wing version of Marxism, by which I mean it attracts a similar psychological type. People who like reading a bunch of older, complex books, and signalling how extreme they are.

Race may be a spook in the sense in which white nationalists envision it, but race meaning 'human populations differ genetically including in ways which affect cognition' is a completely reasonable position and aligns with the available evidence at least as well as if not better than the 'every human population is identical' position.

>>14190517
>>14190529
you are both gay. read evola, and definitely read SIEGE

>>14190524
Which is why I literally said:
"Its not "reactionary" in the way that the reactionary right is"

>>14190222
Imagine being this retarded.

>muh soggy knees

Anonymity.

>>14190544
Away with your neologisms Deleuzian spook

>>14190561
stirner looks like some 26 year old econ major thats goes to slipknot concerts and is still working on his bachelors

>>14190265
>the data is lying
I thought leftists were all about science?

>>14190265
>You’re not going to be replaced
It's the official United Nations policy. https://www.un.org/en/development/desa/population/publications/ageing/replacement-migration.asp

BTW there is no 'demographic crisis' beyond pension funds facing the results of a multiple decade ponzi scheme. Korea, Japan, and most of Northwest Europe are some of the most densely populated countries in the world while Africa is actually sparsely populated given its size and amount of arable land.

>>14190663
>Nooooo someone aesthetically unlike me cannot exist in the same region

>>14190238
Stfu facist. The books that you don't like are still books that can be discussed.

Sexual frustration

I know, right? Why doesn't everyone adhere to your ideology?

Really sad stuff.

>>14190244
>>14190707
Commies are fascists but with very low testosterone.

>>14190350
No, he's a sheltered white basedboy from the suburbs, he wouldn't be a commie if this wasn't the case.

>>14190279
>such a small part of the real world
>actively used by 2/7 of the entire human population
https://www.statista.com/statistics/264810/number-of-monthly-active-facebook-users-worldwide/

>>14190222
Astroturfing and shilling got really heavy this year. This is a new form of social control and an aspect of soft power. Power hungry countries are fighting like this nowadays to destabilize the West.

>>14190222
Literally anywhere on the internet that isn't heavily censored turns into /pol/. /pol/ is what you get when people are free from all inhibitions. If you divinized a million people, and had them rule from Mount Olympus, it would take a few days before they decided to kill all the blacks and jews.

>>14190786
So basically what AI does

>>14190802
the constant articles about 'how do we make ai not racist and sexist' is like something out of a fucking satirical comic strip

>>14190222
To be frank despite how distasteful I find these views, it's one of the things I welcome about this board and site over others. We ought to have exposure to views that rub against our own. There ought to be some engagement with those who embrace them. The summary rejection and blanket ban on these views elsewhere on the internet simply restricts their range of discussion, clouding and obscuring them further, making thinking about them harder, making understanding those who believe them all the more impractical. You can't understand what you can't speak to, see, hear, or think about. Even if that means exposing it into the open so that it might respire and suppurate.

>>14190786
>Literally anywhere on the internet that isn't heavily censored turns into /pol/
This guy can't give you examples besides anonymous forums. You know why? Because it's safer for an political agent to act here than places that require a persona. On Twitter for example it's really easy to figure it out who is a bot, who has an agenda, who is a sociopathic asshole and who is a dumbass.

>>14190494
No they aren't. They are on the liberal/illiberal axis. Marx, Bakounin and Proudhon were all antisemites, Proudhon was a misogynist and Marx was racist, yet all were also left-wing. Left/right is on the economic axis.

>>14190738
It's broader than that. Lack of overall success. Obviously people who are very successful in a given society won't want to change anything in that society.

>>14190819
Of course to the childlike us versus them mentality that spans the political spectrum, to invite discussion from the opponent view is, tacitly and incorrectly, to place it on an equal footing with the acceptable view as valid discourse. To even see what these views are in a clear light, and to set the stage so that understanding why some people believe them is even possible, is falsely seen as validating them. The result can only compound ignorance.

>>14190835
Large portions of Youtube were turning into /pol/ before they cracked down. Twitter is constantly having to mass ban far right stuff and it keeps popping up in new forms anyway

God demands intolerance of sin.

>>14190222
They post a lot. They link to /pol/, /r9k/, same-fag.
They’re primarily trolls running a psych scam for laughs. They bully the middle of the road non-political until they leave

I’ve told you what the problem is, but you seem to think the cure is a fate worse than death

>>14190835
It's simply a case of whack-a-mole. That which is denied presence in one location will seek it out in another. Anonymity, as you said, provides a blanket which obscures intentions. So it veils the emergence of forbidden views, because those views are not an implicit property of the anonymity they emerge out of, but a side-effect of it.

>>14190855
>before they cracked down
Unless you can pinpoint to me exact date governments started to campaign on the internet, this type of statement holds no value
>Twitter is constantly having to mass ban far right stuff and it keeps popping up in new forms anyway
Non sequitur, leftist mask. Awkward attempts to convince the reader that that behavior is fully genuine. This person is an agent

>muh shills
completely irrelevant to anyone that has a knowledge of the appropriate material

Always remember that 4chan is a sort of internet ground zero for the dissemination of propaganda and disinformation, and is frequented by probably hundreds of paid shills and trolls every day, who literally earn their living by encouraging us to fucking despise eachother, by any means necessary. Unfortunately, I'd guess the majority of "DA JOOS" posters aren't paid, they just drank the propagandist kool-aid. Typically I just ignore them and stick to responding to people who don't identify themselves primarily as a member of a particular group.

As for resentful, why is anybody resentful? Surely you resent some shit that's happened to you at some point in your life - you just don't seem to be misplacing the blame on an abstracted group of people. Many people will always feel bitter and resentful, not many can take personal responsibility for it though.

>>14190222
1. This is the only place they can post unmolested by power tripping admins.

2. These positions are better suited to incite responses than starting a thread saying "gays/jews/blacks are fine as long as they leave me alone". (though ironically extremism is so normalized here now that a thread opened with the most middle of the road lukewarm opinion would likely hit the bump limit in short order.)

3. It used to be a fun counter-cultural inside joke but we got Poe's Lawed over time. The elections were the grand finale, I haven't seen anyone call out a stormnigger since then because /pol/ was now in our backyard.

The only solution now is to install a world spanning dictatorship that gasses the kikes, lynches the blacks, and suicides the trannies but also doesn't tolerate any racial epithets and will gulag you for antisemitism.

>>14190689
I actually cant believe there are people who could live around blacks and deny they are a completely different people, really contemptible, your kind is even worse and deserves to be beaten

>>14190276
>It’s definitely not the rich elites
Dont worry I hate jews too

>>14190222
Because you touch yourself at night
Now go back to r*ddit

>>14190224
>nomoi
speak english you nerd

>>14191797
Chuckled anon, have a (you)

>>14190892
You appear to be paranoid and incapable of being able to read. Here is an NYT article about Youtube censoring far right stuff
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/03/technology/youtube-right-wing-channels.html

The post I replied to wanted examples of a site turning into /pol/ before it decided to implement censorship, Youtube is an obvious example. I have no idea what you're talking about wrt governments and agents.

>>14191824
I know a lot of successful, good black people. I also know a lot of shitty ones. You could say the same about any race. If you think there's no crackhead, degenerate white people then you should take a good hard look at yourself and find the real issue

>>14191859
variation from the mean

>>14191859
>crackhead
>white

>>14191859
9th circle of hell is for traitors pussy

>>14191874
you are mega retarded and don't know what you're talking about.

>>14191874
Cringe
>>14191883
>Talks about Hell
>Is unrighteous

>>14191859
Oh you mean the Black people "who dont act black" lmao

>>14191859
>Not all x are like that
Literally the leftist version of Democrats are the real racists shit that boomer Republicans spout.

>>14191881
And the worst of all is for non-christians

>>14191897
>no true scotsman
There's a black person in my house right now. Should I be on my guard in case she attacks?

>>14191893
Youre just soft and naive dude

>>14190222
because /pol/ is one click away, and most newfags don't even know where to find /leftypol/.

>>14191907
Youre soft and likely a female, you cant understand how men act and cant understand the political

>>14191897
Being a good person isn't restricted to race, read a bible
>>14191906
You're cringe and degenerate. Read a bible

>>14191859
Not him and I don't really give a shit about crearing some racial hierarchy to determine who's "best", but they would be the best off in a homogenous society. Look at Japan, they're not like Europeans, they're good at what they're good at, and they had (past tense) a distinct culture. Now they're fucked and will basically have to bring in a bunch of Malaysians or some shit to survive in the homogenous world of global capitalism. The future is truly bleak.

>>14190222
Reddit influx followed by /pol/ influx, i miss the good old days.

What was I expecting /thread

>>14191913
Whereas you, the mad Internet nazi, are an expert on politics and men

>>14191920
>this race is great! They should just stay in their own country, they could be a good ally
Sounds familiar

>>14191928
>le nazi
cringe hath been posted.

>>14191928
You dont understand the political and would get robbed or harassed you soft pussy

>>14191930
It's not about being "great," it's about having a distinct cultural identity at all. There are plenty of aspects of Japanese culture that I cannot relate to or am disgusted by, but I still feel bad for them that their culture is dead. Neoliberalism is just colonising the world while pretending to condemn colonialism.

>>14191920
There's no state that is absolutely self sufficient. They communicate and perform alliances, trades, business with outside states. Japanese people didn't invent their own culture and languages, it developed over centuries of crossing (i.e, Japanese is based on Chinese characters, Buddhism is native to India.)

>>14190222
>Why are there so many fascists, reactionaries, racists, homophobes, antisemites, mysoginists, etc on here?
Or Marxist or Anarchists or anti natalists or ...
The list goes on, practically everybody here seems to have a strong ideological opinion, it is just something which comes with having a board full of outcasts.

>resentful
Fascism is, and always has been an ideology of love.

>>14191951
No shit, but there's a difference between some cultural exchange and a fucking global monoculture of consumerist trash

>>14190276
>False dichotomy nonsense

Both the illegal depressing wages, and the billionaire who agitates for his presence to depress wages are my enemy.

The illegal is just more accessible and visible.

>>14191922
You guys should consider that the demographics that make up 4chan have simply become much more likely to adopt far right views in the past 10 years, mostly as a reaction to larger cultural trends. Saying that it's /pol/s fault kind of misses the point, why did /pol/ as a phenomenon happen in the first place, and why did it happen on 4chan of all sites? Kind of answers the question doesn't it

>>14191948
this is almost true, except neo liberalism wont touch islam or tribal africa with a ten foot pole

>>14190258
Answer truthfully: Has anyone asked your kid to cut off his hypothetical dick yet? That's what I fucking thought you retarded alarmist bitch.

>>14191951
Also Japanese isn't "based off" of Chinese characters, the writing system is. The two languages themselves are not related in any way.

>>14191963
Imagine thinking the abstract 1% are more important to political consciousness than the foreigners flooding your home

>>14191859
>I know a lot of successful, good black people. I also know a lot of shitty ones. You could say the same about any race.
If only there was a mathematical tool to quantify these things.
Would be really nice if we had more than "X group commits crime and so does group Y", maybe we could, you know, count instances and then use mathematics to determine probabilities of the instances occuring?

>>14191952
Nothing wrong with Marxism, it has intellectual rigor. Fascism is an ideology solely based on racism.

>>14191962
Not a race issue but a government issue.

>>14191981
>Fascism is an ideology solely based on racism.
>caring about and wanting to protect your family is based on Familyism which excludes other ones

>>14190488
Retarded faggot nigger post right there. Every single word of it.

>>14191968
There still seems to be the hope that they'll eventually "convert" and the sentiment that their backwards ideology cannot possibly make it into the future

>>14191977
>Muh stats!
Seething bugman

>>14191981
>Fascism is an ideology solely based on racism.
No?
Nothing in Fascism suggests any form of racism, it is an extreme form if national preservation and as such entirely an ideology based on love.

Genuine American Fascism is multiracial, since many American blacks have a closer relation to the US then many white Americans.

>>14191982
A globalism issue. An immigration issue. You don't have to give a shit about which race is "the best" to have a (completely futile) problem with these things.

>>14191997
>If you actually look at reality on a large scale instead of basing everything on your subjective experience you are a big man
What is wrong with you?

>>14191987
there is no connection between you and your "race." race is a spook. it is all pseudoscience. it is all a fantasy in your head and you need to go outside. the fact that you see a connection with people that you don't even know except something as arbitrary as their skin is fantastical and grotesque,

>>14192010
>it is all pseudoscience
Yeah. Evolution and genetics are literally pseudoscience. I am with you based fundie Christbro.
The Earth is flat too right?

Black people don't have black skin because of their genes it is because uhm uh they paint themselves every day?

>>14192004
>Stats are totally objective, I live by the scientific metrics of my favorite polls, surveys, studies

>>14191999
it is solely based on excluding others and sucking the nipple of the state.

>>14192010
race is literally the same thing as an extended family. There is zero difference between the two terms except how far out you extend what you consider family

>>14192020
They are better than your personal experience.

>>14192010
Tell that to any given gradeschool or prison cafeteria you naive fool

>>14192026
you know nothing about people and live in fantasy land

>>14192022
>it is solely based on excluding others
That is absurd.
You can not have a government which is based exclusively on excluding others, it literally makes no sense and has nothing to do with fascism.

Again, genuine American fascism is multiracial.

>>14191981
>Nothing wrong with Marxism, it has intellectual rigor.
When will this meme end?

>>14190222
I'm not actually racist or whatever I just kinda tend towards more reactionary writers because a lot of them have this deep resentment about them I really relate to and this is the only place I can talk about them without a big stupid preface about how they're "actually bad but—".

I fucking hate grad school.

>>14192019
>Evolution and genetics
which you have no knowledge of clearly

guys.... OP wanted you to argue :((( cant we just be frens???

>>14190238
Marxism is based

>>14192051
Join my racist millitia or shut the FUCK up

>>14192036
>genetics cannot possibly have anything to do with behaviour

>>14192036
But you are wrong.
Learn some genetics, you can literally measure genetic distances and they show exactly what the Anon said.

While you are extremely close to your parents and siblings you are more distant to a random stranger of the same ethnicity and more distant to him then to a random stranger of a different race.

These are decade old facts and the existence of 23 and me and all the other services that test EXACTLY for that and are able to show your geographic family history is proof of exactly that.

>>14192051
shut up nigger kike gook get out of my country, btw my ideology is of love.

>>14192036
What I said is not up for debate. If you extend your grandparents and their parents backwards in time you eventually reach a group that matches your ethnicity, then a larger category like race, then the human species, and so forth. Genetically speaking there are clusters when you look at populations, with some continuity at the edges but in some cases very little continuity at all because there was an extended period of no interbreeding.

I doubt you are actually too dumb to grasp this concept but if you are my condolences

>>14192049
See >>14192059
Genetics very clearly demonstrates that race is a genetic construct.

You can take a Gene sample of a person and give it to a computer and with 95%+ accuracy it will tell you it's race.
That is why 23 and me and all other Gene testing services work and you don't get back random stuff.

>>14192057
>>14192059
which has no connection to your conception of "race"

>>14192071
>>14192059 (You) #
>which has no connection to your conception of "race"
Since you know it. What is my conception of race?

>>14192026
So if my sister marries a black guy, he is now the same race as me, as are all her children?

>>14192026
which literally has no meaning when you extend it that far

>>14190222
>fascists
it's a dead ideology. the pussies you see on the news aren't "fascists"
>racists
A lot of whites don't like blacks. A lot of blacks don't like hispanics. A lot of hispanics don't like whites. That's the way it is, people (in ignorance) are always going to dislike people different from themselves.
>reactionaries
not sure what you mean by this
>homophobes
There are people who intrinsically like anyone homosexual, I believe those people are wrong. There are also others that oppose the drug-abuse and unsafe sex rampant in the homosexual community, which I believe is a valid concern.
>anti-semites
Every group from every country for thousands of years have found reasons to dislike jews, whether it's usury or (alleged) child sacrifice. I don't know any personally so I can't say.
>misogynists
A lot of men hate women. Maybe they're lonely, maybe a woman embarrassed them, maybe they believe that all women are inherently evil. I agree that a lot of modern women are best avoided, I would say the same for the men.
In summation, you're a fag.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_genetics

>>14190244

>>14192078
>he is now the same race as me
No, genetics is independent of marriage status.

>as are all her children?
They are genetically similar to you, but less do as if your sister had children with a person of your own race.
You can quantify this genetically, but just look at the skin of the baby as an example of a trait that is mixed from both parents.
Its skin will be more similar to you then the skin of the average black person, but less similar to the skin of a baby your sister had with a white guy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence

>>14192010
>it is all a fantasy in your head and you need to go outside
the outside world which so obviously self segregates at every opportunity

>>14192092
Which has nothing to do with Marx an what he wrote

>>14192100
Family is family. If race was like family, they would be the same race as me, as they are my family equally no matter who she married

>>14192109
Communism has nothing to do with Marc?

>>14192071
It very closely resembles intuitive concepts of race Like an Anglo thinking he's closer to a German than a Slav and closer to both than a Chinese, and closer to all three than a Sub-saharan.

Obviously it doesn't perfectly align with these folk categories but there is a rough correspondence between the two
>>14192078
Her children are mixed race in that case so they have two large ancestral trees that are meeting. In a country in which mixing has been going on for decades or centuries it makes sense to think of a new ethnicity being formed which has two(or more) major ancestral components. This is in fact done all the time in determining genetic makeup anyway.

This doesn't mean that blacks and whites become the same race, it means that both are contributing to a new ethnic mix. If the entire populations of blacks and whites were to merge over thousands of years then it would make sense to consider them one new race. A race/species/ethnicity exists only locally both across space and time. The categories are quite complicated and fuzzy, which is just how it is in evolutionary biology.

I find it useful to think of it as an enormous tree, the difference is that this tree's branches can merge with each other, or tendrils can come off one branch and merge with tendrils from another branch. Any particular stretch of branch on the tree, past and present, represents a population of humans that will have a given gene pool, and various averages in given characteristics

>>14192111
Do you know what "in law" means? What a "mother in law" is?
It is the term for people that are legally, but not genetically, part of your family.

Yes, the analogy doesn't entirely fit if you define family in terms of legality, instead of genetics, but you are being nothing but a retarded sophist.

>>14190222
People who lack self esteem tend to rigidly define themselves through their social identity.

>>14190836
>left/right is on the economic axis
Based retard

>>14192129
this

>>14190350
>>14190755
I’ve probably worked with more different races and nationalities than you’ve shitposted on this website. Fucking retards

>>14191976
Even worse. Imagine thinking my interests align with the illegal's, just because neither of us is a billionaire.

>>14192151
Same though, so whats the difference?

>>14190222
society/life is shit and there's nothing anyone here can do about it so they finger point and blame whomever to make themselves feel better
saying this as someone that was a complete /pol/tard until i graduated hs and got away from my awful living situation (e.g. bullying on all sides and a sociopathic older sister)

>>14192151
jajaja x favor a la verga contigo, no sabes ni un pedo pinche gordo

Is this how the alt right debates
Just plugging their ears and spamming nonstop until everyone becomes exhausted and moves on
This whole thread has been completely Gish galloped with bottom feeder tripe, like some drunken uncle screaming about niggers at a television
You people are beyond hopeless

>>14192272
You guys are completely incapable of arguing against race differences. you should really just give up on that topic because it is doing you no favors at all to discuss it here where the other side wont be censored

>>14192272
>A good amount of biological facts and wikipedia articles posted
vs
>Gosh! How can you guise even think like that, like, omg!

>>14192290
those wikipedia articles don't support what you are saying

>>14190265
Southern Europeans are pretty brown too, but they cluster with Europeans. If you're basing race on skin tone, then you're a brainlet. There are non-Europeans with blue eyes, and this doesn't mean they have any European admixture either.

>>14192283
>>14192290
>Implying you faggots would acknowledge anything that doesn't fit your agenda

>>14192300
It's something that's afflicting both of us commiebro, we're both two sides of the same coin. But i have 3 times as much testosterone as you do.

>>14192101
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence
>>14192290
>>14192296
>The majority of anthropologists today consider race to be a sociopolitical phenomenon rather than a biological one,[34] a view supported by considerable genetics research.[35][36]

>>14192297
>Southern Europeans are pretty brown too
Most are naturally pale

>>14192307
Wikipedia is a jew website

>>14192425
>NOOOOOOO I'VE BEEN EXPOSED AS THE HATEFUL AND RESENTFUL PERSON THAT I AM THAT IS FUELED BY FLIMSY IDEOLOGY

>>14192437
>Hate is wrong

>>14190244
There's nothing wrong with a Marxist society as long as participation is voluntary.

Mexico...has a problem. The only people who alerted me to this problem were those on the right. This is about the fourth time they've sounded the alarm about a severe, endemic national clusterfuck. The media has been absolutely silent about the fact that Mexico is being steadily devoured by cartels.

Did the right frame it that way? No, they did not. They framed the issue in terms of their own interests, which are still valid. The rate of voluntary immigration between two stable nations is fine. A forced mass exodus is another matter entirely.

Only now have I learned to see the right for who they are: a part of the nation. It is important to listen to their concerns and keep an eye on the horizon for any upcoming major catastrophes. Does that mean I won't vehemently argue with the right about what is the best way to address these problems? Fuck no, it doesn't. But what is wrong with US? Mexico's cartel problem is a threat to OUR national security. Are we so dysfunctional that we are allowing our neighbor to succumb to formidable criminal forces that WE created?!

A wall with all the moats in the world won't stop the cartels. What will? What could a nation with the largest military in human history do to help the Mexican government regain control over their country?

>>14192437
There is a lot of evidence that human populations have different averages on various cognitive measures and behaviors. There is no evidence that all human populations have the same averages.

It is truly something to me how incapable of grasping this simple point you guys are

>>14192477
which has nothing to do with race and your pseudoscience. just face that you are a spiteful person and in need of help.

>>14192518
It's literally the same set of statements, just without obfuscation about the vague word 'race' involved.

It is amusing to me to see you try to bring twitter/reddit tactics of attacking me as a person to an anonymous website. You have to actually reply to what I said

>>14192566
It's not the same statement. It is the difference of intrinsic/extrinsic.

>>14190238

Yes, I AM a natalist. How did you know?

>>14192582
There is a lot of evidence showing that the measures are partially genetic, enough to account for a significant portion of disparities between populations. It's obviously debatable, but to discount the position as pseudoscience that could only be motivated by irrational hate is ridiculous

>>14190224
fpbp. any authors that talk about this phenomenon?

>inb4 Hegel
>inb4 Fichte

>>14192601
>evidence
There is none as stated in the articles above. Race is a spook. It is a very weird obsession. Get some help.

>>14192621
There are decades of studies on IQ now, you can quibble all you want about the word 'race' it doesn't change anything

>>14190300
>NPC, Onions, Reddit all in one
and you're telling someone else to have an original thought?

>Race doesn't matter.
>Evolution isn't real.
>God made us all the same.
>If you question our beliefs you're a nazi.

>>14192630
Sorry bud there is ZERO consensus on your position. It is debunked and only followed by weirdos. Get a hobby or something.

>>14192642
>Thinks the science is on his side
The concept of race is obsolete

>>14192643
All the people who actually study IQ are pretty clear on it in fact. Genetic studies are starting to show similar conclusions. This despite the huge taboo on studying this stuff and the consequences to the careers of those who do.

Anthropologists, who study none of these things, and have a stated commitment to eradicating racism, do happen to disagree, shockingly.

>>14192657
>The concept of race is obsolete
Thanks. What other dogmas do I need to memorize so that I don't look like a heretic?

>>14192621
>Race is a spook. It is a very weird obsession. Get some help.
So you're openly stating that evolution isn't real?

Because tribalism is appealing to misguided losers who have nothing of worth to offer.

>>14190222
Look, I agree to an extent. People here are often too vulgar and in your face with this stuff.
But what can you expect when these ideas are taboo everywhere else and they get you banned?
People come here to vent their frustrations and it goes overboard.
If the mainstream outlets allowed civil discussions on these topics it wouldn't be so bad here.

But fundamentally, I'm afraid there is no pretty solution that will make us all happy.
Some people just don't like the demographic and/or social changes that we're experiencing, so things will continue to suck.

People who aren't satisfied in the 'material' realm (sexually, socially, financially, etc.) almost always turn to some conceptual framework that absolves them of this inability to succeed in life as a coping mechanism.
Just look at people that have strong idealogical ties, no matter what they may be: monks are all autists that couldn't hack it in the real world, the Nazi high command consisted of proto-/r9k/ posters, SJW's are all ugly landwhales, /pol/tards complaining about degeneracy are all virgins, and so on.
That's why women are so vacant. for example; they have no need to engage with the conceptual (philosophy, etc.) because they are completely satisfied in the physical.
Religion, philosophy, politics -it's all a giant cope.

>>14191855
>I have no idea what you're talking about wrt governments and agents.
lol, way to out yourself
one day you'll get it right

>>14192621
stop gaslighting

>>14191969
>Bro stop being paranoid it's not like we're forcing your kids to be queer

>>14192734
so it makes people actually think

hmm

>>14192752
Seriously what are you talking about? And why did you not reply to the example of Youtube censoring far right stuff

>>14192774
Please stop lying.

>>14192790
I enjoy catching you guys, not engaging. It'll will always be a fruitless conversation. We are on /lit/, not /pol/. Remember that, agentfag.
>Youtube censoring far right stuff
weak bait

>>14192843
do you have an actual argumetn about why the Youtube example doesn't fit what the original post was talking about? There was a huge network of far right stuff cropping up and Youtube explicitly made efforts to contain it. This isn't some conspiracy theory it was framed as something the company had a responsibility to do or whatever. The algorithm change for recommended videos was also motivated in part by this, there were articles about that as well

>>14190222
A lot of people are. Anonymity provides a way to express it.

We're adjacent to /pol/
And here's 5 reasons why thats a good thing

>>14190238
imagine talking about books on /lit/

>>14192616
Peter Berger
Richard Fenn
Victor Turner
and obvs Nietzsche

Anons recommend some other imageboard that isn’t fucking dead and has /lit/ discussion which isn’t political shit.

>>14192968
Why do you believe such a thing exists?

>>14190222
For the lulz.

>>14192999
I don’t know about >exists but I used to frequent some Russian imageboards several years ago that did have some quality discussion. So if it existed in the past I think it can exist now. Although I do have to admit it did start to have more frequent political shit threads by the time I left (but that has more to do with the general uprise of opposition among the target audience of imageboards in Russia and the subsequent activity of kremlin trolls on these sites)

>why is this marginalized site filled with smart people
f___ n______

>>14193058
>A one-party state with a populace linguistically and culturally isolated from the western world hasn't devolved into endless bickering
Hmm

>>14190222
This place gives retards a voice without any sort of repercussion. It is also an echo chamber of said retards.

>>14193111
>calling yourself a retard

>>14193111
Yeah, unlike those other places which are totally not retard echo chambers, heh.

>this is ur brain on anime

>>14192968
/lit/ three years ago. I think people must have migrated to some other plataform like discord or one I didn't find yet.

>>14193120
>>14193115
You don't have any points.

>>14191837
The restless, when given afforded rest, are compelled by an inner desire to create unrest for themselves to avoid rest.

>>14193146
>talking to retards
ok retard

>>14193105
>linguistically and culturally isolated from the western world
Don't worry everyone is just as cringeworthy here

>>14190663
>imagine thinking the UN has any power

lol

>>14193128
>I think people must have migrated to some other plataform like discord
They haven't, I've been apart of multiple /lit/ discords and they don't last; after a couple of weeks of discussing everything you wanted to discuss but couldn't people start socializing, then they over socialize and at that point you start holding back differing opinions, then people start leaving and discussion comes to a halt because everybody already knows everybody else's opinions so well that discussion becomes pointless.

>>14193046
This pic related.

>>14190222
feel free to kys at any time

we are "intellectuals" so we have insecurities and superiority complexes that rejecting mainstream society can ignore and indulge respectively and propping this angst up with an intellectual backing - the more esoteric the more well defended from mainstream critiques - allows us to go on in this infantile state without being made to grow any direction but inward (perfect conditions for someone with an inability to act (an intellectual))

this is of course not without its problems. but we prefer this kind of grown up fantasy to actually confronting life. and why not?

>>14191981
Infinite intelectual rigor but no practical use

>>14193217
Also wrong

>>14190234
this is why i can't understand the association of Nietzsche with the right, i hate trying to talk about Nietzsche and having people roll their eyes like, "another alt-right douchebag."

>>14193105
>salt: 2.48g
wtf?

>>14190228
Why even post this? It means nothing, its worthless. Why go through the effort of copying and pasting the anon, looking for a reaction picture, and posting to come across as a faggot?

>>14193246
guac and bacon

>>14193229
his association with the concept of 'slave morality' doesn't exactly help. the entire language of contemporary social justice is 'slave morality' on steroids

>>14193223
Mind explaining how?

>>14193229
>>14193275
Nietzsche is literally right wing though, an elitist misogynist who thought societies only justification was its greatest men, he only bashed nationalism because its populism wasnt 'right wing' enough, and praised Ancient Greeces slave class

>>14193469

>>14193469
>>14193480
People always forget Nationalism was initially a justification for more popular bourgeouis franchise, how the fuck do left leaning people interpret "herd mentality" and "slave morality" as anything but viciously anti-egalitarian and anti-democratic lmao, im not sure how you could even relate to nietzsche without being a resentful male reactionary

>>14191963
The illegal cannot depress your wages if the capitalist doesn't hire him in order to advance capitalism.

Why are so many lefties obsessed with placating every last demand gays and non-white have, no matter that they're never satisfied no matter how hard you try to accommodate them?

>>14193594
Except that people are not equal. Egalitarianism is simply unrealistic.

>>14192800
What options do I have to avoid this risk if it's so obvious that it's such a small portion of only internet that behaves in this manner. Am I allowed to opt my children out of the LGBTQ movement propaganda at schools? Obviously it doesn't matter if my children are exposed to it so it shouldn't matter if I choose to not to have my children receive that "education".

>>14193613
He literally didnt say anything about egalitarianism lol

>>14190689
>t. person who lives in an upper middle class neighborhood or 95% white area
Different language, different religion, incompatible shit tier culture - people leave some third world dump to move to a civilized country and turn it into the same place they left. So really they should have just stayed put and saved everyone the trouble.
The issue is that it should not be FORCED and it is - by NGOs, by aid groups, by governments to create division. Social trust disappears the more diverse a neighborhood.

>>14190222
Because kikies, niggies and faggies are icky

>>14192968
Reddit

>>14192020
Yes, your anecdotal experience of the white presenting bourgeois black kid you grew up with is obviously a better indicator of average black behavioral tendencies than literally every aggregate of behavioral and crime data by race that has ever been done. Sure, it's possible statistics experience bias by those who are conducting the review, but there has literally never been able to be produced a single crime survey which shows anything other than Blacks committing significantly higher degrees per capita of almost every category of offense than whites, and trust me people have tried.

It's the same with racial intelligence data. If it's such a biased and untruthful way of conducting oneself why has there never been offered a single example of a large IQ survey which could indicate a higher average black IQ than white, (even as a demonstration of how easily it can be manipulated rather than something to be taken seriously)?

>>14192968
There is no such thing as an apolitical space. The only spaces that are "apolitical" are ones that do not tolerate dissent against the progressive leftism that is the cultural default in the American global empire.

>>14193659
>>14192101

>>14193673
The faggots who wrote that wiki page couldn't answer his post to save their lives and clearly neither can you

files.catbox.moe/su1vjr.pdf

>>14192307
The majority of anthropologists have next to nothing of value to contribute to the question of race and genetics.

>>14193673
I'm not sure what you think linking to a Wikipedia article is supposed to mean. Especially when it says things like "The majority of anthropologists today consider race to be a sociopolitical phenomenon rather than a biological one" while forensic anthropologists can assess someone's continental racial origin with greater than 95% certainty with less than 50 randomly selected SNPs from their genetic sequence or a singular 5 sq cm skull fragment. The objection most quoted anthropologists have to scientific categorization of race has nothing to do with any objective/scientific assessment of the question and everything to do with ethical/political objections to the questions being posed.

>>14193730
Whoa phrenology=everything
May as well have stopped studying humanity in the year 1600

>>14193702
>“Diversity is our Greatest Strength™!” Undoubtedly you’ve heard the phrase from time to time.The most powerful institutions of the world are in unanimous agreement that diversity is unques-tionably a colossal benefit to our societies; economically, culturally, and genetically. This includes: the mainstream media, education system, corporate entities, government officials (both Left and Right), various supranational organizations, such as the UN, EU, IMF, World Bank, etc.

muh 100% real study of muh 100% real scientific lingo
the compilation links to articles of studies, this is not proper academia.
All compiled by an incel who indulges in meme ideology as well
https://mobile.twitter.com/ReadKaczynski

>>14193791
I'm sorry what? How exactly is being able to determine the racial origin of the person a skull fragment came from phrenology exactly?

>>14190835
Ah yes, the bastion of intellectual discussion, twitter.

>>14193861
Literally the article is nothing but links to and direct quotes from academic sources. Get your head out of your ass. He's not even pretending to replace academic sources with his analysis but is instead literally aggregating their findings and quotes within them into a document.

>>14193877
>for example
Every single social network is being raided by ideology shills

>>14193861
Unfortunately the right doesn't have the institutional support its opponents enjoy, so it's relegated to performing this kind of grassroots scholarship. Also it's just a meta-analsyis; all of the studies it reviews are from "real" academia. How about you address the arguments put forward by it instead of crying credentialism?

>>14190238
Good movie, and book

>>14190222
I don't know, anon. We live in pretty divisive times, is one reason. But as someone who simply wants to be kind to all those around me, and assist all sentient beings rather than merely a particular in-group within my own species, I find it pretty saddening. There was a thread on here yesterday with people expressing their hope for a coming war. Really messed up. And many of those people claim to be religious or Christian, which is clearly just another political identification rather than a commitment to a set of compassionate and pacifistic-ethics. I'm not saying Europe doesn't have issues right now with immigrants and Islam, but they won't be solved by anger or physical conflict. We need everyone to start confronting reality and making steps towards improving it for everyone. Stay a wholesome person no matter what, OP.

>>14191784
Why would paid agents be here and elsewhere on the internet attempting to sow discord between citizens? Genuinely curious, not challenging you. Is it for cultural destabilization? And is this more of a hypothesis on your part, or did you only come to it after viewing concrete evidence for it?

>>14194094
>destabilization
You already know the answer, falseflagger. A harmonious society will prosper, a chaotic one will not.

>>14190228
you look dum

>>14194094
People just don't want their kids being told that they can be whatever gender they want; it really isn't that hard to understand.

>>14194143
t. unmarried basement dweller
People do want that if it will make their children happy or avoid their suicides. Parents want their children to thrive, only mentally ill ones want them to fail

>>14194094
>Why would paid agents be here
Why are you disputing proven facts, shill?

>>14194160
Yes, telling their children it is healthy to live a life lying to yourself that you will be able to function in the opposite biological sex is obviously a better option than getting them to accept the reality they were born into. Living as a hollow emulation of an ideal "self" you don't even understand is totally so much healthier than coming to terms with the negative sides of what life you've been born into. That totally makes sense and is obviously not a gigantic crock of shit designed to encourage even more unhealthy behavior like self-castration via hormones and mutilative elective surgeries.

>>14194367
Everything about gender is made up there is no lie. And they dont give hormones or surgery to children. The most they do is give hormone blockers which are harmless and can be are 100% recoverable from if the person does not want to go with the process in the end.

>>14193229
>By the principle of labour that of fortune or competition is certainly outdone. But at the same time the labourer, in his consciousness that the essential thing in him is "the labourer," holds himself aloof from egoism and subjects himself to the supremacy of a society of labourers, as the commoner clung with self-abandonment to the competition-state. The beautiful dream of a "social duty" still continues to be dreamed. People think again that society gives what we need, and we are under obligations to it on that account, owe it everything. They are still at the point of wanting to serve a "supreme giver of all good." That society is no ego at all, which could give, bestow, or grant, but an instrument or means, from which we may derive benefit; that we have no social duties, but solely interests for the pursuance of which society must serve us; that we owe society no sacrifice, but, if we sacrifice anything, sacrifice it to ourselves - of this the Socialists do not think, because they - as liberals - are imprisoned in the religious principle, and zealously aspire after - a sacred society, such as the state was hitherto.
At least it's not left wing appropriation of egoism.

>>14194367
>lying to yourself that you will be able to function in the opposite biological sex is obviously a better option than getting them to accept the reality they were born into
Dysphoria is mental illness that leads to suicide and that is literally the last option of treatment a psychiatrist would recommend. If you prefer a dead child that's on you and your upbringing

>>14194166
I think it is a legitimate question. Nothing about this site is intellectually stimulating. Power brokers do not reside here. I do not think it would be worthwhile to waste resources trying to sow discord on a fucking imageboard

>>14194367#
Everything about gender is made up. And they dont give hormones or surgery to children. The most they do is give hormone blockers which are harmless and are 100% recoverable from if the person does not want to go with the process in the end

>>14194400
We do not treat a suicidally depressive person by confirming that their mentally ill beliefs are true. Also, there has yet to be any kind of study demonstrating a significant reduction in long term morbidity (5-10 years) with gender affirmation based treatment vs literally any other kind of mechanism for treating these delusions. We don't actually have any data to back up your statement that a treatment based around getting the child to accept their biological gender increases suicidality.
>>14194415
>Everything about gender is made up
And yet distinct gender roles have been a consistent feature of every single complex society that has ever existed. Really makes you think huh?

Also, we have no fucking data to confirm that hormone blockers are harmless in any way and there are significant numbers of endocrinologists who recognize the dangers of "halting" puberty on long term health including serious risks to many aspects of your health like increased tendency to develop permanent bone density disorders for males on testosterone blockers. To claim any of this shit is safe is totally bullshit because it's long term safety has never been studied (aside from many indications as to potential risks from what we know from non-trans individuals with endocrine disorders).

>>14194413
Your argumentation is so fucking half-assed, it's a bore. I wish they had sent someone more skilled.
But that's exactly your strategy, you engage with only naive zooms around here, planting the discord seeds while avoiding those who can break you

>>14194443
>We do not...
Post all these exact words on /sci/ and see if you can take the beating

>>14194444
>avoiding those who can break you
I'm responding to you, aren't I? Go ahead big boy, shatter my worldview.

>>14194451
/sci/ is extremely anti tranny.