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Is her partner a white man?

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>>14175343
>competing with dead guys
And losing.

The level of entitlement of whores

>>14175343

She has a point.
It's not really fair.

>>14175343
the age of Beyond-Man has just begun.

>>14175343
>rootless, decadent metropolitan valley-people are mad that their ungrounded witless tripe has to "compete" for shelf space at the local merchant stall with the great perennial works of art that effortlessly speak to future generations by the sheer power of their metaphysical resonance, beyond the death of the author.
Are we through the looking glass yet or is the worst still yet to come, bros?

>>14175384
>Is her partner a white man?

Speaking of husbands, what did she mean by this?

>>14175424
The Duality of (wo)Man

>>14175408

Tolkein is at least ok. Maybe more so by amerilard standards but Jordan is just poorly written fanfic trash.

This is why sci-fi will always, if not, more so trump fantasy than ever.

And this is coming from an amerilard himself.

>>14175384
Unsurprisingly, yes.

>>14175424
>in my fantasies I prefer to imagine men who are the opposite of my husband
Poor guy. But women are a reflection of men so, he's doing it to himself.

>look at this, another retard author whining about old dead white men
>let’s investigate her twitter further
why do you do this?

>>14175438
>white spouse
>Asian dinner
How have we become so racist without noticing ?

>>14175435
sci-fi has nothing over fantasy
stories about gods and heroes and wizards have consistently been the best works of literature since the birth of mankind, beginning from Gilgamesh and Homer - they're out of fashion right now, but that shall pass
science fiction meanwhile is a decadent modern construction
ever notice how sci-fi always has to use the images and words of pre-modernity? star wars has swords, eva has angels, dune has barons, star trek has babylon, etc. does this not suggest a lot

supply and demand

>>14175438
You can tell she's trying to show off how good of a writer she is, while at the same time knowing deep down that she isn't and relying on the informality of the platform. The result is this weird hodgepodge of out-of-place metaphors from a cheap genre paperback and tweetspeak jargon

>>14175424
why the fuck do angry cops or assassins on revenge missions have to be reduced to toxic masculinity? shit couldnt a women be one of those?

>>14175462

>Star Wars, Eva, Dune, Star Trek

Star Wars is science-fantasy, Evangelion is mainly tokusatsu/mecha under the guise of heavy catholic themes. Dune is Space Opera and so is Star Trek, but the differences between those two is that Dune's more on autocracy while Star Trek is full blown communism.

>science fiction uses images and words of pre-modernity

You're thinking more of the early Big three or proto-Big three of Sci fi. Or maybe, if we're pushing it, hard sci-fi at best.

>>14175465
yup

>>14175462

Ever noticed how the angel on the left and bird on the right are looking at each other and thinking:

"Yeah, this guy is cucked/fucked. He doesn't know what or who he's dealing with?"

>>14175488
maybe you're right regarding those bits, but think about it logically, it happens all the time
besides there are the other points
>>14175478
in 2019 you can be toxically masculine even when you're a woman, keep up old-timer

>>14175520

I am thinking about it logically. It happens all the time because history is cyclical and we're condemned to repeat it. The basis of it, though, can only change depending on how we react to sci-fi/fantasy.

If we were to argue that sci-fi is a decadent modern construction, then should we think of fantasy and other genres the same way, too? Look at the Lord of the Rings or the book of the new sun. it may be all swords and sorcery, but deep down, it can also be a deconstruction of the human condition. Human diatribes aside, it can also have political and worldly allegories (such as how LOTR was Tolkien's reaction to WWI and how Middle Earth was modeled after it).

>>14175343
Authors never die.
Shitty writers that I have to google to find out who they are and that has produced nothing of value die.

>>14175343
Competing with Tolkien? This ching chong whore isn't even playing the same game as Tolkien. Go work the back room of a massage parlor and give some sucky sucky to fat old white dudes; at least then you'll be doing something worthwhile with your time. Bitch.

>>14175534

D-Did I win?

>>14175343
Good, I can't wait to be a kept himbo

>>14175562

>Implying that fat dudes would do anything but get a massage and a "happy ending"

>>14175534
we can't argue that fantasy is a modern construction, because the conventions of fantasy predate modernity - one could say that the current existing fantasy culture is modern, but this does not really get us anywhere when examining the books themselves

>>14175623

Well it could go either way between depending on deconstruction of the fantasy genre or modern fantasy, but neither of these would resolve the matter of resolve issue at hand.

Deconstructin, according to Jacques Derrida, refers to an event whereby a hierarchical binary opposition is overturned to create space for the emergence of a new concept. We may not argue as much of fantasy deconstructing society and its standards, but we could argue for deconstructing fantasy and how it has impacted society. But most of all, deconstruction has to arrive through a direct response of the author's work. If we deconstructed LOTR, it would have looked more like the Orcs being the proletariat, Gondorians in search of economic justice much like the aristocrats, etc. But even then this doesn't justify the deconstruction, as it was mainly an attempt to create a fantasy world based on the European middle ages. It wasn't putting whole genres against reality, but creating a world based in reality.

Much like Sci-Fi, there are plenty of fantasy authors who claim to be doing something different within the genre. Ironically, they often write the most predictable books of all, as evidenced by Goodkind and Paolini. This is where we find fantasy and sci-fi to be at an impasse, as its not so much so of one genre being completely deconstructed as opposed to the other, but how they both come of to a standstill because they back themselves to a corner when an attempt to deconstruct is induced.

>>14175408
>some literally who bitch thinks she should be beside Tolkien
lmao okay

Why do I feel like banning women from higher education is the only way to save Western Civilization? Why did we let them here in the first place, again?

>competing with dead guys

still lose.

>>14175684
I think you're being too deep for me, I understood we were speaking on whether fantasy was a modern construction or not - where does deconstruction come into the matter? and what is the impasse between fantasy and sci-fi, if you have only named similarities? please explain these things to me
lol at the Keely quote tho

Why do women always overestimate men’s interest in making women’s lives easier. Post washer dryer/non iron shirt and microwave oven it’s probably more easy than it was meant to be.

>>14175343
>Lee describes the novel as "The Godfather with magic and kung fu" and cites her love of wuxia and gangster films as inspirations. The titular Jade City is a nickname for Janloon, the capital of the island of Kekon in the novel's secondary world setting

sounds cool. this was a clever way to market herself, i just bought her book. it won the 2018 world fantasy award too, which probably means it's at least worth reading if not a classic a definite keep.

>>14175343
>>14175408
She does have a point though. Keep Tolkien stocked up but promote new authors and give them a chance.

>>14175408
based barnes & noble knows YA fantasy is piss and shit. they're trying to run a business after all, why would they stock abject rubbish?

>>14175773
>this was a clever way to market herself, i just bought her book. it won the 2018 world fantasy award too, which probably means it's at least worth reading if not a classic a definite keep.

go to bed, Fonda

Wikifeet’s search shows no Fonda Lee
So too Bing’s galleries, they’re quite Lee free
Hotter than hot does Onan’s crucible sizzle
Only Mrs. Lee’s tootsies propel my spongiform pizzle
My pictureless spankbank serves up imagery bland
Conjurings of Mrs. Lee are feats of many a gland
Pretending Lucy Liu and Bai Ling’s feet were Fonda’s
Hacked at my psyche like farm tools did Rwanda
Her feet most petite, toes daintily long
Only Mrs. Lee’s feet please, forget all the Zhang
Conjuring a Fonda Lee sole scrunching memory
Deliver me, Heaven, a lifetime as her emery
I brace not for shame nor her sprays, eliminatory
Fonda Lee please abuse me by your gyno gory
But learning of Lee’s beef with Barnes and Noble
Her alarmist bleating like an evac at Chernobyl
What with her many works hewn so commercial
And sold in great volumes by cousins of Herschel
I then find Fonda suddenly a tad bit brash
Considering her cash-grab’s gaping gash
Till then her feet spook by brachydactyly
Now Fonda unshod appears mightily silly

>>14175384
sometimes we cant help but say: "stereotypes are there for a reason"

let me guess, she also likes to cry "muh patriarchy"

>>14175792

They could keep Tolkine in the backroom and only hand him out to those who ask for him.

>>14175792
probably because these bookstores are capitalistic establishments with the primary goal of generating profit for its owners and/or shareholders

shes free to submit her "its probably garbage" fantasy work to some feel-good "we promote non-white, non-male authors" place

>>14175343
>competing
I checked her books on Google, she can't even compete with Christopher Paolini.

>>14176040
You're assuming her work sucks, though. What if it's actually good?

>>14176055
What if her feet are cute?

>>14176062
Exactly! That would be something of worth, at least. Bet Tolkien had hideous feet.

>>14175792
Barnes and Nobel just sells books
They have no obligation to promote female authors to a niche reading group that has never touched a woman (at least while she was conscious)

>>14176055
then she can compete in the free market like every other author.
>rewind 50 years
>Tolkien: how come no one is stocking my books! theres a reason its not selling! it's because you can keep stocking <insert Tolkien's predecessor>

if people wanna see these bookstores promote new authors, then stop going and buying from these bookstores. visit some bookstore that pays more attention to showcasing new talent.
or visit the myriad of sites that are there to promote whatever feel-good identity coddled by the current zeitgeist is

im just saying. Barnes and Nobel is there to make money. thats it. and Tolkien sells better.
>"We're here to get filthy rich. That's it."
>"We're not here to make friends. We're not savin' the fuckin' manatees here, guys."

>>14175408
wait til she sees the classics section LOL

>>14175438
Social media.. is a bitch and a half

>>14175424
>men should really be open about how they feel
>eww not like that that's toxic masculinity

>>14176078
Complaining like that is shit authors have done forever though. It's just that social media means we all see it now rather than it staying between friends. Tolkien could easily have been kind of asshole who would get into twitter wankfests about "muh lore" nowadays. We just have no way to know.

>>14176140
Well, did he write letters? The type of correspondence is different, but you could probably get an understanding of his character through personal writings of that nature.

>>14176140
true that. but perhaps people should recognize the changes that technology have brought and adjust their behavior accordingly.

>hmm well i can shit talk anonymously on 4chan and no one will call me out on it, at least not to the point it will spread further than the chan
>hmm i can rent out a page in the major newspapers and write my Tolkien rant about how come the bookstores arent promoting my book. people may call me out on it, and i will have to accept that. hmm maybe i shouldnt.
>"im going to shit post on twitter, and NO ONE can call me out on it, otherwise it's 'muh patriarchy' or 'muh racism'"

im not advocating a witch hunt or destroying someones reputation and tear down their livelihood. its just that when you shit post or shit talk in a public forum, you have to acknowledge and accept the fact that you may get called out.
otherwise just bitch and moan between your like minded friends like us autistic frenless retards on 4chan

>>14176149
Man, I wish I knew. I'm genuinely curious and I'd be happy to admit I was wrong if his letters were nice, but I'm pretty sure the Tolkien Estate hasn't released his private correspondence.

>>14175462
What you mentioned are soft sci-fi

>>14175459
The belief that racism exists only within certain contexts. It isn't surprising. A person who is the victim of a crime may feel justified in committing it against someone they feel deserves it, and may even feel it isn't a crime if they do it. Race has replaced class consciousness and everyone is Raskolnikov.

People have noticed this, by the way. The people who've noticed lack the institutional privilege and authority to affect any real change. We've got many years of lesbian dance theory left before anything meaningful can be influenced.

>>14175457
why do people like yourself spit the words "old dead white men" as if they're dirty? Why can't you write better than them?

>>14176258
The lesbians are old hat, tranniesrun things now. Which is very ironic seeing as they're mostly white males in the upper echelons

>>14176280
The lesbians are actively fighting the trannies. It's great.

>>14176280
>>14176291
>be woman identify as a man and shit on men
man cant fight you
>be man identify as a woman and shit on women
btfo

>>14176291
I thought the terfs had been basically #cancelled, is there actual dissent going on in Progland?

>>14176291
Every reasonable woman I know has gone from being default college "I guess I'm a leftist?? That's like, the normal and popular one, right?" SJW to being a hardcore TERF in the past 5~ years

The lesbian I know went from being ambivalent to basically wanting to gas all trannies personally. It's been interesting to watch.

>>14176280
>>14176291
i have a theory. feminism is like social thermite, once ignited, it will not burn out itself. it is the fuel that keeps on giving.
its impetus derives from the fact that whamen are inherently more valuable due to the vagina. they are both the gatekeepers of sex and new life.

you often see other minority movements mixed in with the feminism wave, but this is because they are trying to leech off the momentum and success of feminism. i wonder how far the Civil Rights Movement would have gotten without riding the coattails of feminism.
>mfw Phyllis Schlafly, the feminist once had a TV interview explaining her concern about the Equal Rights Movement
>"whamen are exempt from the draft. the ERA may now extend to include whamen under the draft"
>"the ERA wont extend any rights to whamen that we dont already have, or can get"

the feminist movement is seeing in-fighting over the trans movement because now we are seeing these non-biological females (MtF males) attempting to usurp the innate value of vagina.

water down the power and value of vagina, and how else will the feminist achieve their goals? based on logic and reasoning? how much will the world let this slide by when suddenly vagina rights are extended to the non-vaginas? whamen derive their political power from their innate biological advantage: "I have a vagina, you all want to put your penis in it, and only I can bring forth new life."
>i cant put my penis in your botched surgical boi pussy
>you also cannot bear children

https://youtu.be/-UJRzZABCoY

>>14175478
It should be obvious that "toxic masculinity" just means "masculinity"

>>14175343
Tolkien had to compete with dead guys who are now forgotten.

>>14176374
Its leftism, leftism is entropy.

>>14175438
Every time.

>>14175343
Every artist competes with dead guys. Whether they be a musician, painter, writer, or otherwise.

>>14175343
Literal who. All authors are competing against great works that every generation gets into. Classics are what endure and are treasured across time and are not some trendy meme approved of by hack MFA graduates.

>>14175343
>competing with dead guys

She's not competing with them. She's not even on the same field or playing the same sport. It's like a yo-yo player thinking they can be in a World Cup football game.

>literal who brings /lit/ down on its knees

imagine not being able to beat corpse

Based patriarchate.

>>14176416
Actually he didn't. The Hobbit was a success and TLOTR made him rich. All the drama caused by the first pirated edition in the US was one of the most successful, yet unintentional, marketing campaigns of the XX century.

>>14176953
exactly right

>>14175343
this bitch puts out like two books a year no way are they any good

>>14175424
The fact she brought up her husband just goes to show that she those problematic men turn her on sexually

>>14175792
>give a chance to new authors
Why not give a chance to new readers by directing them to good literature?

>>14175536
>>14175562
>>14175694
>>14175730
Since when did this absolute shithole of a board start worshipping plebeian fantasy authors? 'next to Tolkien' my fucking ass you dumb subhuman Reddit election tourists.

I sincerely believe there will be a time when we will be burning books written by white men on the streets.

>>14178653
Today we think it most likely will be happening in 2040s, in 3 years we will think it will be happening in 2030s, and then in 2025 we will be shocked to see it happen.

All artists struggle against their predecessors. Thats how it goes.

>>14179148
whoa so profound, very deep. Don't trip over yourself orwell.

>>14175408
That’s the painful thing about art, you are always competing against the entire backlog of creative endeavours. If I am a classical musician I am competing against Mozart.

>>14179158
t. bugman chink

>>14175459
We never stopped being racist. We stopped being reasonable about it.

>>14175424
I unironically love how women are attached to male anger and violence. One of their most redeeming traits

>>14175343
>the age of man is over
No, Comrade Premiere. It has only begun.

>>14176015
If anyone ever deserved a (you) it’s you.

>>14178392
Just because he was immediately successful doesn't mean he wasn't technically "competing" with everything else on the market, which included plenty of older books, obviously.

>>14175412
I can only assume things will become worse. Hopefully I'm wrong.

>>14175343
Then fucking write something good.

>>14175343
I mean, yes? You will always compete with genre's foundational works. How do you even talk about the modern idea of fantasy without Tolkien in the first place?

>>14175408
To be fair Jordan is extremely guilty of this because he actually NEEDS a shelf of his own for Wheel of Time.

>>14175684
I'd give Paolini a pass because he was just a teenager with parents in the publishing business who made sure his derivative work got printed.

>>14179744
>You will always compete with genre's foundational works.
This only seems to happen with literary works. Modern films don't really compete with the old black and white grainy ones and modern music doesn't really compete with the stuff your great grandpa used to listen to (with the exception of classical music).

>>14176078
It's funny because Tolkien did complain and barely got LotR published over publisher complaints about the word count. That's why the books are divided they way they are for the most part. This was before every fantasy author set out to write a trilogy or more as default.

>>14175343
Books don't die. The books continue to live and if you don't make something better it doesn't mean the books are dead/any less alive.

>>14176078
educating customers is literally the hardest thing to do in any industry and, realistically, in no one's interest except the customers themselves. this is why no one wants to commit to it in the first place.

>>14175343
why are hapas such resentful creatures?

>>14175343
Lord of the Rings is iconic and popular
Therefore it goes on shelves to attract lots of buyers.
It's not rocket science.

>>14179754
Sure, but record stores still stock Michael Jackson and the Beatles. In the context of pop music I'd say a lot of shelf space is taken up by older artists

>>14175408
It's called demand. Sorry Fonda Ree. Write what people want to read.

>>14179754
It's because those black and white silent films are the equivalent of cave man paintings. Film is a new medium and is still in the process of selecting its foundational works. In terms of music you make a very interesting exception in classical music which I don't think you can justify. You act as if all music isn't compared or analyzed in terms of the great pieces of history. If you want to critique modern music in an intelligent way you absolutely must know something about the baroque period, at least.

>>14175408
You mean people don't just order books online? Fuck retail margins, especially if you have to deal with translations and it immediately affects the pricing.

>dat feel when before a major Croatian publisher Algoritam went bankrupt their works would easy cost 30-50% more than just buying the book in its native language

It made me extremely bitter.

Imagine them competing against real books by decent writers.

>>14175408
>>14175792
gitgud

>>14175343
>We're competing with dead guys!
If your shit was worth reading, it wouldn't be so much of a competition. Nothing stopped J.K. Rowling from becoming one of the richest people in the entire world by selling her literal children's stories. Stephen King. Martin. Neal Stephenson. Nothing prevents living authors from out-selling dead ones except talent. If you're bitching about the competition, it's probably because you fucking suck at writing.

>>14175465
Ironic because she completely fails to concisely and accurately communicate.

>>14175462
man jupiter is my new goal body

>>14179806
Never underestimate the native tax.

>>14178652
You sound like a weapons grade faggot

>>14175411
Feel the dawning! boards.4channel.org/x/thread/23772758

How gay and beta are you to be intimidated by women, just laugh it off and do your thing. Pathetic

>>14175343
>asian sci-fi/fantasy writer
>married to a white guy
>resents j.r.r. tolkien
>doesn't mention rowling
just a stupid powerless money-grubbing chink whore looking to get rich from young adult fiction

>>14175412
>Tolkien
>"great perennial works of art"
Look, I'm not defending her, but really? How fucking new are you?

>>14175343
>>14175408
Cry me a river, bitch

>>14178652
In the mind of the average /pol/io, white man > brown woman in any respect. These retards would slurp michael crichton if it meant pissing off bell hooks

>>14181293
What are you talking about? Tolkien is legit. That's why there's hundreds of different books about him and the books he wrote. The Lord of the Rings is a timeless classic and people 500 years from now will still have something to say about it.

>>14181311
I've never been to /pol/ and it's pretty obvious that Tolkien has more merit than 99% of fantasy authors. Also, I've seen praise for Tolkien on this board for years (though I'm not that interested in his work myself)

>>14175424

Imagine how much she would enjoy being ravaged by an invader from beyond the stars!

>>14175408
It's not fair because wheel of time sucks shit.

>>14175408
git good

>>14175424
0 sympathy for "men" who put up with this shit

>>14175478
When a woman does it it's empowerment.

>>14175438
Hahahahaha

>>14175343
One womans opinion of a major mainstream book store that still continues to make profits as we speak and will continue to doesn't mean anything. Stop this edgelord incel b.s.

>>14175343
And still no hot dominant gf to piss on my face

>>14175792
Yes, we should put a cap on book sales, the state should step in and make sure new authors are being supported.

>>14176350
>thinking you can stop the rainbow from eating itself
lol

>>14175408
>Here's who we compete against for shelf space
it's fascinating to see Bloom's "anxiety of influence" play out in literal terms. to paraphrase him:
>there's a feeling that there's no room for you - that prior authors have usurped all the aesthetic space that ought to belong to you
pottery

>>14179777
high iq and luck checked
but i'm also guilty of this cultural laziness

>>14175343
that says more about them than the white guys though

>>14175343
she forgot Rowling, funny that

INSTEAD OF A DARK LORD YOU WOULD HAVE A QUEEN! NOT DARK BUT BEAUTIFUL AND TERRIBLE AS THE DAWN! TEMPESTUOUS AS THE SEA, AND STRONGER THAN THE FOUNDATIONS OF THE EARTH!

ALL

SHALL

LOVE

ME

AND

DESPAIR

>>14175792
Supply and demand. They keep promoting Tolkien because people want to read his work. If they didn't they wouldn't have him front and center.
It's, legitimately, basic economics. If they kept Tolkien stocked up but promoted this girl's work then maybe some people would buy it based on the name / cover alone. However, I'd reckon that most readers would simply ignore it and go for the recognizable names.

>>14188049
Further on this. I don't know many readers who go to a Barnes and Nobel and shop for books they don't know / have never heard of.
Most readers I know hear of books from friends / websites / ect. Then go to a bookstore and specifically only purchase that book (or on amazon, others).
If authors aren't getting work it's because they're not getting notoriety from critics / readers who specifically target up and coming authors or new works. This has nothing to do with Barnes and Nobel selling out classic authors to casual readers who really don't have any interest in reading niche books from authors they've never heard about.

tehe

>>14179777
Trips of truth and wisdom.