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“In a world increasingly rife with heresy and pseudo-religion, Guénon had to remind twentieth century man of the need for orthodoxy, which presupposes firstly a Divine Revelation and secondly a Tradition that has handed down with fidelity what Heaven has revealed. He thus restores to orthodoxy its true meaning, rectitude of opinion which compels the intelligent man not only to reject heresy but also to recognize the validity of faiths other than his own if they also are based on the same two principles, Revelation and Tradition.”
—Martin Lings, author of Ancient Beliefs and Modern
Superstitions

“If during the last century or so there has been even some slight revival of awareness in the Western world of what is meant by metaphysics and metaphysical tradition, the credit for it must go above all to Guénon. At a time when the confusion into which modern Western thought had fallen was such that it threatened to obliterate the few remaining traces of genuine spiritual knowledge from the minds and hearts of his contemporaries, Guénon, virtually single-handed, took it upon himself to reaffirm the values and principles which, he recognized, constitute the only sound basis for the living of a human life with dignity and purpose or for the formation of a civilization worthy of the name.”
—Philip Sherrard, author of Christianity: Lineaments of a
Sacred Tradition

“Apart from his amazing flair for expounding pure metaphysical doctrine and his critical acuteness when dealing with the errors of the modern world, Guénon displayed a remarkable insight into things of a cosmological order. . . . He all along stressed the need, side by side with a theoretical grasp of any given doctrine, for its concrete—one can also say its ontological—realization failing which one cannot properly speak of knowledge.”
—Marco Pallis, author of A Buddhist Spectrum

“Guénon’s mission was two-fold: to reveal the metaphysical roots of the ‘crisis of the modern world’ and to explain the ideas behind the authentic and esoteric teachings that still [remain] alive.”
—Harry Oldmeadow, author of Traditionalism: Religion in the Light of the Perennial Philosophy

>> No.14153646

“To a materialistic society enthralled with the phenomenal universe exclusively, Guénon, taking the Vedanta as point of departure, revealed a metaphysical and cosmological teaching both macrocosmic and microcosmic about the hierarchized degrees of being or states of existence, starting with the Absolute . . . and terminating with our sphere of gross manifestation.”
—Whitall N. Perry, editor of A Treasury of Traditional Wisdom

“Guénon established the language of sacred metaphysics with a rigor, a breadth, and an intrinsic certainty such that he compels recognition as a standard of comparison for the twentieth century.”
—Jean Borella, author of Guénonian Esoterism and Christian Mystery

“René Guénon was the chief influence in the formation of my own intellectual outlook (quite apart from the question of Orthodox Christianity). . . . It was René Guénon who taught me to seek and love the truth above all else, and to be unsatisfied with anything else.”
—Fr. Seraphim Rose, author of The Soul After Death

“His mixture of arcane learning, metaphysics, and scathing cultural commentary is a continent in itself, untouched by the polluted tides of modernity. . . . Guénon’s work will not save the world—it is too late for that—but it leaves no reader unchanged.”
—Jocelyn Godwin, author of Mystery Religions in the Ancient
World

“René Guénon defies classification. . . . Were he anything less than a
consummate master of lucid argument and forceful expression, his
work would certainly be unknown to all but a small, private circle of
admirers.”
—Gai Eaton, author of The Richest Vein

“René Guénon is one of the few writers of our time whose work is really of importance. . . . He stands for the primacy of pure metaphysics over all other forms of knowledge, and presents himself as the exponent of a major tradition of thought, predominantly Eastern, but shared in the Middle Ages by the . . . West.”
—Walter Shewring, translator of Homer’s Odyssey

>> No.14153875

>>14153644
Bases

>> No.14154767

bump

>> No.14154783
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>>14153644
> Guénon had to remind twentieth century man of the need for orthodox
This faggot is NOT orthodox in any way. He is a heterodox perennialist who fits into NO tradition.

>> No.14154800

>>14154783
wrong

>> No.14154868

>>14154783
He fits into the heretical tradition.

>> No.14156141

>>14153644
CRINGE

>> No.14156260

>>14154783
brainlet

>> No.14156344

>>14154783
he fits in any tradition because he understands each of them profoundly and has the capacity to see beyond each one of them (that is, what they ultimately express)

>> No.14157426

truly some great quotes

>> No.14157443

what should one read in preparation to guenon? can one just jump right in or is there a non-guenon reading order (kant or hegel or something)

>> No.14157497

Guenon threads are comfy

>> No.14157577

>>14157443
Jump in

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>>14157577

>> No.14157854

>>14156344
he fits in any tradition because he decided that every tradition is the same

>> No.14158001

>>14154783
He was a devout muslim fool.

>> No.14158011

>>14157426
Kek.

>> No.14158013

>>14158001
>devout
>muslim
Pick one.

>> No.14158049

>>14158013
What are you even saying, Muslims spend their entire prayer prostrating and genuflecting to ALLAH the MOST GREAT

>> No.14158194

>>14157854
>he decided
lol

they are different and the same at the same time

>> No.14158424

>>14158194
>he decided
Yes.

Jesus, Buddha or Muhammad etc certainly didn't say "welp it's all the same bro... just pick one of our traditions and you'll be fine ;^)))"

>> No.14160014

>>14153644
b&rp

>> No.14161074

>>14158424
actually the Quran speaks of christians and jews going to paradise and Buddha in the nikayas never claimed to have invented something original but stated that he was teaching the old path followed by the ancients and that there had been buddhas before him

>> No.14161085

"It was real in my mind" ¸— Every explanation of metaphysics ever

>> No.14161199

>>14161074

"Verily, those who disbelieve (in the religion of Islam, the Quran and Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him)) from among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) and Al-Mushrikun will abide in the Fire of Hell. They are the worst of creatures."

>> No.14161209

IN A WORLD WHERE LAUGHTER WAS KING!

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>> No.14161653

>>14161074
>actually the Quran speaks of christians and jews going to paradise
Nonsense.
> Buddha in the nikayas never claimed to have invented something original but stated that he was teaching the old path followed by the ancients and that there had been buddhas before him
So you take that to believe that "the old path" is therefore tread by all?

If he found the old path and everyone else also had found it then there would be no need for the Buddha.

>> No.14161739

>>14161199
Verily! Those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day and do righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

the conditions to going to heaven in islam is strict and pure monotheism. the jews and some sects of christianity such as Unitarians or those who reject the trinity are considered right

>> No.14161964

>>14161739
>strict and pure monotheism
The Trinitiy is strictly and purely monotheistic, despite what you brainlets might think.

>> No.14161970

>>14161964
I'm not muslim, but the trinity isn't monotheistic, three persons in one is not monotheism

>> No.14161985

>>14161970
But don't you know divine simplicity and the trinity works if you use the word persons? There have always been a special clause in logic and apophatic theology that if you use "person" then its okay and you can have multiplicity.

>> No.14161991

>>14161739
Chriscucks will go to hell because they reject the Quran and Muhammad.

>> No.14161995

>>14161739
This verse has been abrogated by "Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled."

>> No.14162006

>>14161970
>three persons in one is not monotheism
You may not be Muslim, but you sure are a brainlet. Monotheism _by definition_ signifies belief in a singular God, so you'd have to show that (for example) the Holy Spirit is also God, but not the same God as Christ or The Father for your retarded statement to be true.
>>14161985
It seems to me like God revealed the Tritinity to us as a mechanism of immediately filtering plebs like you. So far it has been doing a great job, as I see it.

>> No.14162018

>>14162006
>reveals nonsense so that his supposed gift of human reason can reject it in order so that he can send more people to eternal hellfire
I'd argue against this if it actually didn't fit quite nicely into what we already know about the volcano demon of the Bible known as YHWH.

>> No.14162019

>>14161739
>islam
>strict, pure, monotheism
LOL

>> No.14162022

>>14162006
>You may not be Muslim
Internet is haram.

>> No.14162026

>>14158013
>Muslims spend their entire prayer
Most Muslims don't pray, they just pretend they do.

>> No.14162057

>>14161739
>the conditions to going to heaven in islam is strict and pure monotheism
Then all Muslims will go to hell, since they believe in a 'co-eternal and uncreated' Quran.

(I mean, what the fuck? The Trinity makes sense from a monotheism point of view, but literally worshiping a literal book??)

>> No.14162071

>>14162057
>Muslims
>worshiping
You clearly never interacted with Muslims.
Only a few non-muslims think Muslims follow the rules of Islam.

>> No.14162082

>>14161964
It's panentheistic, not to be mixed with pantheistic. Monotheism as such is human hubris.

>> No.14162089

>>14162082
>christianity is panentheistic
what are you smoking?

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>>14162006
>God revealed the Tritinity to us as a mechanism of immediately filtering plebs
This. I am thankful to Christ for revealing the trinity, as I now have a great radar to spot brainlets in discussions about Christianity.
>>14162018
>reveals nonsense
I can use my gift of human reason to purely intuitively see how the Trinity can make perfect sense. Brainlets who don't understand that there are different notions of identity one can use depending on the situation have serious trouble grasping that The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit can be locally identified within the godhead as being the unique and sole God and yet not be globally (externally) identified as the same entity having the exact same functions. This is essentially the distinction between isomorphism/equivalence and strict equality.

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How does one know which of Islam or Christianity is true? I had a weird experience and now I know that either one of these must be true. Is it somehow reconcilable that both are?

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>>14162022
Guénon isn't haram and he would have definitely been an avid /lit/ poster.

>> No.14162636

>>14162510
Guénon posed for photographs, which is haram.

>> No.14163126

>>14162057
>since they believe in a 'co-eternal and uncreated' Quran
you're a fucking retard.

>> No.14163564

>>14162636
Guénon isn't Muhammad (sallallahu alaihi wasallam) so that is permissible.

>> No.14163822

>>14163564
>so that is permissible
ok murtad

>> No.14163866

>>14163564
>Haram is not haram because [insert bullshit here] so that is permissible
Islam in a nutshell.

>> No.14163878

>>14163866
>straw man
pictures that are made with polytheistic intent are haram

>> No.14163885

>>14163878
Any representation of any living being is haram.
But you already know that, murtad.

>> No.14163969

>>14163885
>Any representation of any living being is haram.
yes if you intend on worshipping that living being instead of ALLAH THE ALMIGHTY, brainlet wahabi retard

>> No.14163975

>>14163969
>wahabi
Sorry, I don't speak african.

>> No.14163980

>>14163969
>I do haram things constantly but those haram things aren't really haram because muh "intend".
LOL you are so pathetic.

>> No.14163984

>>14163969
Allah will crush you, murtad.

>> No.14163986

>>14163980
>strawman and Ad hominem
>retard can't understand a basic statement
ok abdullah

>> No.14164000

>>14163986
>abdullah
Sorry, I still don't speak african.

>> No.14164005

>>14164000
You speak faggot, I'll dab on you on judgement day, inshallah

>> No.14164012

>>14163980
then what are you doing on an IMAGE BOARD?

>> No.14164054

>>14164012
>IMAGE BOARD
The whole Internet is haram, but you already know that, murtad.

>> No.14164067

>>14164005
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacha_bazi

>> No.14164076

>>14164067
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacha_bazi
>bacha bazi carried the death penalty under Taliban law

>> No.14164102

>>14164005
>You [insert creepy perv insult here], I'll do something... someday... but later... [insert african gibberish curse here]
Wow, that's the "power" of islam.
LOL

>> No.14164119

>>14164076
>bacha bazi carried the death penalty under Taliban law
Nope. Bacha bazi is an islamic practice, enforced by the Talibans.

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>>14164119
sure thing, you said it so it must be true

>> No.14164148

>>14164134
>Israel
Muhammad destroyed the traditional religion of the Arabs and then forced them to worship the god of the Jews.

>> No.14164157

>>14164148
what are you, huh? christian?

>> No.14164177

>>14164148
>>14164157
Anybody who disdains baby torture should oppose jewry.

>> No.14164200

>>14164157
>>14164177
>"islam", "christian", "jewry"
Sorry guys, I still don't speak african.

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I am going to say it! I am going to say the Shahada!

>> No.14164356

>>14164177
That's a very islamophobic statement.

>> No.14164364

>>14153644
>“In a world increasingly rife with heresy and pseudo-religion, Guénon had to remind twentieth century man of the need for orthodoxy
This sounds like the intro to some epic film.

>> No.14164368

>>14156344

Literally the radical centrism of spirituality

>> No.14164376

>>14164352
You'll say the Shahada, and you'll keep doing haram stuff all the time like every single muslim.

>> No.14164387

>>14164364
The film is called: "Return of the creepy stinky carpet dealer".

>> No.14164395

>>14164368
It's called orientalism.

>> No.14165311

>>14154783
This - outside of Hinduism you won’t find anyone but the handful of traditionalist writers saying that their works and thought is orthodox.

It’s kind of like how only Mormons and ultra liberal Christians actually consider Mormonism a Christian denomination

>> No.14165335

>>14165311
all those people are brainlets who can't into metaphysics