/lit/ - Literature

I would non fiction the psychology on the right

>>14112071
You could go talk to some. They're really not that complex, just people.

>>14112071
The Satanic Witch

>>14112071
Imagine a child without parental supervision or discipline, and the body of an adult. A child who's aware of how people fawn over it and the power it holds to do anything it wants.

There, you have a woman.

I unironically want to berry my nose_ in their asses

>>14112071
Real women or prostitutes? By the picture I’m guessing you mean the hysterically shameful, stupid, self loathing kind rather than the kind who possesses courage, honor, dignity and brilliance. I have no idea, I think there’s a reason people avoid writing about such things. You’d have to have a strong stomach to turn out 60+ pages on that subject

>>14112113
>[women] who possesses courage, honor, dignity and brilliance
(You)

Writings about the mind of snarky thots. What’s the mindset

>>14112098
truth (with a dose of hyperbole)

also just read any redpill blog/articles/posts that have at least a little traction (stuff that is more popular also tend to be more likely to truthful and not just angry virgins crying because no vagene)

keep in mind the redpill "sphere" also includes those who are inevitably going through the "anger" phase
keep in mind that while most of the fundamental stuff constantly parroted is correct, there are still some things that you may disagree with/find wrong. doesnt change the fact that, by and large, the shit they spew is true.

>read basic psychology articles and studies speaking about how, in general, men are interested in "things" while women are interested in "people"
>read articles and studies talking about how vocation and gender tends to become even more extreme in more gender egalitarian societies such as the Nordic ones (and then see how this study and result has been replicated again and again)
>google hypergamy, and try to pick out links that seem more likely to be biased toward women ("ahh, yes. women, in general, do display hypergamy in their mating patterns, BUT...")
>now google hypergamy and find whatever fancies you ("alright, let me tell you the truth about this cunts and hoes...")
>extra credit: the societal effects of the birth control pill. pareto distribution in the sexual market place. psychological effects of attention on social media ("oh look, i got a thousand likes when i posted my butt on instagram with a cliche quote in the description")
>r9k or any other virgin platform. to get the idea that males play an equally important part in the equation ("dude, she's so perfect, i bet she's an angel that shits sprinkles and farts perfume. maybe i can put my peepee in her veevee if i orbit her.")
>OkCupid dating stats, while keeping in mind that women's idea of attraction is composed of many moving parts, but that looks is nonetheless still an important component. also possible biases and shit (men are worse at taking photos. 2D photos are less effective for women - see erotica literature vs visual porn for women)
>just go talk to a wahmen

How would anyone here know whether the book was any good?

>>14112182
Don’t believe their lies. Imagine if I told you that the best way to know about men was to go inside of a sports chalet lol

>>14112193
but psychology is a field that, by and large, has much more wahmen than men.

how is the psychology of interest in things vs interest in people or the biological mating pattern of hypergamy equivalent to "sports chalet lol"

redpill stuff are meant as a primer and springboard. no point in muff diving into the delicious bush when you dont even know how to put your lip on a wahmen's lip.

>>14112226
You keep saying wahmen and I really like that
Based

Seeing an image like this makes me feel a kind of visceral sadness, as if my loins were crying with longing for something they can't have as the wolves cry for the moon they will never possess.

I have a beautiful wife at home and I never cheated on her. But whenever I see women with attractive bodies that I can't fuck I feel this kind of sadness in my guts.

By the way, source for the pick, what's ethnicity of these girls?

In a sense 50 Shades of Grey is the most important book in understanding women (broad brush)

>>14112264
Instathot

>>14112182
Or you could just read Schoppy's essay. This stuff used to be common knowledge but now people think of them as heresies. About the redpill authors, I think they are mostly correct on their general principles (and mostly they agree with each other on them) but when it comes to the particulars, everyone of them writes their own hypotheses and it feels like most of them are wrong. People should approach them with open-minded skepticism.

>>14112264
>attractive bodies

Wait till you have a conversation with them. Why do you think hook up culture revolves around being intoxicated? Nothing will kill the mood like talking to a dumbass

Red pill authors seem like the worst people. Not to say they don’t often make great points but the blunt disdain for women does make one weary

>>14112280
This. Be glad anon you found a female you live and can stand talking to

>>14112273
but schopenhauer can be much more difficult to read. and everyone knows /lit's average reading level is "hungry hungry caterpillar"
also doesn't schopenhauer only devote a relatively small portion of his writing to wahmen? i dunno. i dont read.
but yeah, approach it with open-minded skepticism, and recognize that due to the way things are (mainstream academics and psychology would never condone any actual studies with acceptable scientific standards on such topics), a lot of the particulars and nuances will inevitably come down to "look all my personal experience and random anecdotes ive heard from X, Y, and Z or is drawn from random poll/armchair-study with inherent sampling and biases problems"

>>14112264
marriage is a commitment. modern notions of love and how "true love" is viewed with such an overriding concern has the problem of giving people misconceptions of how marriage should be.
marriage is more than just "yes, you, i have decided that, for the rest of my life, you will do, and i hereby announce i will never try to do better (or score more)"
marriage is also "we need divide house chores. also who should change the diapers and who should give the baby a bath"

communicate, in a civil manner, with your wahmen about the possibilities of satisfying your sexual urges through means that she can satisfy ("hey, how about you wear sexy shit once in a while, im kinda sick of the granny panties schtick. also youre fat, go to the gym.")
but you gotta word it in a way so your wahmen wont go into hyer-wahmen drive ("EXCUSE ME? AM I NOT ENOUGH FOR YOU? REAL WOMEN HAVE CURVES. REAL WOMEN ALSO DONT DO THE DISHES.")

>>14112324
>schopenhauer
You are right. It's a small and insignificant part of his corpus which unfortunately gets memed around, but nevertheless it's very readable, well-written, and insightful.
>i dont read.
Based.

Read it. Read it and weep!

>>14112482
>She had on a whores uniform and her tits were busting out

And what?

>>14112512

The essence of woman is in that description.

>>14112071
Not to be that guy, but source?
I just want to feel better knowing that they're not actually that attractive in other pics.

>>14112182
>>14112324
>>14112273
I applaud you guy's sylabical knowledge of women, but I never got why it was so hard for some people to understand them. They are not enigmas, in fact I usually find Women a lot more easy to pin then men. For example the "people" vs "Things" thing is pretty obvious if you talk to them and see what subjects they veir towards. Because of this focus on people, you dont really have to dig into the things thay are in, just their kind of social dynamic. Just take your cumulative experience of woman and make a metal statistical curve. of course do it implicitly, like you do with food or any other grouping.

Models by Mark Manson
Doesn't teach you about manipulation, will explain what women like, why relationships fail or succeed and how to be a better man.

Red Pill Philosophy is only useful if you apply it to your work or interests, the types of women it describes aren't the type most men would want to date

>>14112534
shame on you, anon

>>14112071
I just nutted 5 minutes ago and now I see this thread

>>14112613
models is pretty legit. its also a nice twist of the "just b urself" meme
>just be yourself
>but be the best you that you can be
>and the best you is someone who is continually striving to become a better you
or maybe im conflating that with other self-help books ive read. i honestly forget, its been a while since ive read Models.

redpill is still applicable to those who want monogamous relationships. the way you spin plates is inherently the same as keeping your wahmen in line.
your wahmen needs to know, that at some level, you could hypothetically go out and get another wahmen of her level or better
you also need to demonstrate to your wahmen that you are, on the whole, the most alpha person she knows. doesnt mean you need to be the most alpha in every single domain, but she needs to get a vague notion that, all things consider, you're up there

good luck though if her circle is populated by male models that are relatively rich, well-read, lifts weights, is known as "funny" and have numerous tales about their sexual prowess. insert other "godamn that nigga can do that too?" as you see fit.
learn to punch your weight

also almost every single redpill person/post/blog/IRC talks about self-improvement.
also teaches you to not put wahmen on a pedestal.

also pump and dump thots still have value. as if there isnt value in a hot piece of ass who milks your penis, even if it is just for the night.
as if there isnt value in tracing the dimples of her back while you call her a dirty little whore
as if letting yourself get lost, even just momentarily, in the beauty of an incredibly hot semen demon while you indulge in all your primal urges doesnt have tremendous value

either way, redpill is still good to read. even if you arent interested in types of wahmen "most men wouldnt want to date"

>>14112521
We’re you born in a brothel?

Don't read a book, go talk to them. Oh wait the fact you don't is the reason for this thread.

>>14112534
Their hair seems greasy and they probably have ugly faces, like most females.

Fiction but Atomised is p good for specifically modern female predicaments

>>14112766
Do NOT do this.

the problem with "redpill" shit is not that there are no differences between men and women or that there are not any general patterns that present themselves with some regularity between a good part of the population of different genders. The problem is that people on here take that as the bible and become unable to see actual human beings. Fucking hell, have you ever talked with any human? Can't you see how fucking big the difference is between them? Male or female, people are fucking crazy different. Yeah you can trace some lines between averages and shit but that's statistical shit, at the end of the day you're always talking with a fucking human. People here just build their mental image of what a woman is by swallowing "redpills" and then to them every woman is the same and corresponds to their mental image of an averaged person that doesn't exist. They can't distinguish actual humans from one another.

And they can't see the male "redpills" because they think "I am a male and I am not like that, so they are wrong". Males on average are more violent. Males on average are thirsty as fuck and the people that enable women to be able to choose as they do in the first place by their thirstiness. But they don't see it. The problem is just women, and all women the same. All the same average being of vice and lust.

Wake up, get off the fucking internet, talk to actual humans, find good people male and female. And yes, most people of either sex suck, that's why you just gotta find the good ones instead of focusing on averages and the worst ones.

>>14112678
What's your life like? Just honestly asking. I read this and, I think rather rudely, I guess, that you're a very bitter person and likely the victim of some early trauma.

Was reading redpill authors a super clarifying experience for you, like it gave content to some vague notions you had before? Or did it completely change your outlook?

I just ask cause whenever I see red pill screeds on /lit/ it confuses me. I'm not all that good looking, but have been told I have nice hair, an average dick but surely pales in comparison to whatever huge black dick I imagine pops up in your porn searches. Helps that I'm 6'2'', but I've never had a problem securing long term relationships. Haven't been cheated on, broken up with the girl in the majority of these relationships. And I think I'm pretty socially awkward, not extroverted at all have some trouble with eye contact.

I just can't read 'pump and dump thots' and not roll my eyes. Certainly who you describe exists in some capacity, but it just reads as so faux-alpha and corny. I'm sorry, it just comes across as out-of-place on a literature board. Literature to me, or at least in the great novels I've read, attempts to more fully explicate the interiority, the quirks and fantasies and contradictions, that everyone has but is too vast to render into text. When I see a thread like this taken over by someone with a lot of spare time and hyperlinks like yourself, all I see is "women = hypergamy." I get that it preaches a comforting if intense regiment of self-improvement, but I don't think I'm the only one on this board that would like to talk about more compelling works than some flavor of the month selfhelp book

The Second Sex mostly focuses women's psychology in different cultures and different times in their life. I think I understood women better from reading it, even though it is a little outdated.

>>14113085
yeah, im def bitter. but i understand that the vast majority of failures in my life are of my own doing.
>meet one asshole, you're unlucky
>meet an asshole every day? youre the asshole

and while i can consciously analyze my life in a way to conclude "your life is your own doing, it is what you make it" there are still times when bitterness creeps up
that bitter resentment where you think "woe is me"
its never directly specifically at someone, or even some group (women, for example). its a general notion aimed at the world that is vague and would break down once you start to peel even just one or two layers

i guess i would qualify as a victim of early trauma, but it no longer keeps me up at night. i dont cry anymore. i dont think about it "all the time" anymore. when i think of "gee that sucks" there are many things i list before i get to the trauma
>physically (and i guess emotionally) abused by mother. abandoned by mother. physically separated from my father during the abuse (necessity for work and then a restraining order conjured through lies). and then my own shortcomings where i failed my father and my siblings during such times.

redpill did completely change my outlook. i def was a hardcore believer of the blue pill before.

i think some background info on my experiences with wahmen may be relevant and useful for providing context
ive had sexual intercourse with 5 wahmen
ive never had a girlfriend, but ive been involved with a handful of wahmen.
ive successfully gotten 7 wahmen to cheat on their boyfriends with me. 5 through explicit physical intercourse, the remaining via "emotional cheating" demonstrated through actions such as them saying "i love you" to me and sending risque photos of themselves that no man in a committed relationship would allow

i say pump and dump thots because i like to ruffle feathers. i think everyone who visits and posts on 4chan has that tendency within them. something akin to "for the lols." and something akin to eminem saying "i say half the shit just to make you mad" the implication being that its so easy to make you mad. its a spectrum, but all 4channers lean closer to pepe the frog than Jesus Christ

the OP spoke about the psychology of women, accompanied by a picture of two hot thots. its not a stretch of the imagination to think that part of this question is in effort to becoming more sexually successful

and finally, i wouldnt discount the value of pump and dump thots. its easy to just wave your hand and dismiss it like you dismiss low-brow art.

but there is value in stupid anime like Chuunibyou. there is value for stupid fart jokes. and there is value in enjoying physical intimacy with a hot wahmen.

i used to find it contradictory that i enjoy the Goldberg Variations by Beethoven but also jam out to Nicki Minaj's Superbass. now i see there is a time and place for everything.

>>14113211
Not everyone here is pepe the frog.

>>14113211
postscript:
i also utilize my time on this czech motorcycle repair bulletinboard to spew redpill ideas because 4chan is the only place where i can do so anonymously without any real-world consequences

and the audience is more likely to take me seriously than to just shake their head and swiftly dismiss me as sexists or <insert whatever evil term you want to justify your dismissal e.g. Nazi, Fascists>

most of the time, i dont get any discussions worth remembering. but every once in a while, you find a gem hidden in the shit sandwich, whether it be something that broadens your perception ("damn, youre right, it extends to there as well") or something that forces you to confront something you previously thought false or were unsure about ("huh, thats true actually")

>>14113085
Just disregard these threads. Guys that alienate themselves from women to this extent have a severe cognitive problem. You just can't get an accurate self-description from a neurotic. I say this as a neurotic myself.

>>14113085
I sometimes talk about concepts like hypergamy even though irl that's not at all how I think of women because I've always gotten along well with them. It's the same instinct for me as talking about race differences or Jews or whatever. It's just taboo stuff that is interesting to think about. The redpil woman stuff is especially cool because it's mostly little evopsych theories and they just inherently fascinate me, seeing humans as like complex robots. A lot of it is likely memes or simplifications but it's still fun to talk about and the fact that it causes such huge amounts of butthurt honestly adds to the enjoyment a lot for me.

I think a lot of people on 4chan discussing this kind of stuff are coming from a similar place. The transgressive quality of the subjects is like half the fun

>>14113085
and i guess, finally to add.

youre free to steer clear of obvious threads such as these. its not like this was a thread that was derailed or was masquerading as some bait. the image alone quite clearly signals what it is.

janitors are free to clean up and remove such threads. its happened in the past, and i dont go around making threads complaining about it because i dont see that its wrong.

an IP ban can also be enacted upon me as well.

but you know, and i know, that if 4chan were to ever implement such stringent standards, not only would this board see waaaay less activity, there would also be a large outcry because it runs counter to the decentralized 4chan cultural standard slowly built up over time, from the times of the old fags, to the cheeky cunts like you

you want to discuss great literature where the discussions are of much higher standard and also obey civil niceties? the fuck are doing on a pepe the frog site? go to reddit, or tumblr, or join a local book club

>>14112071
For anyone in this thread who hates women (as we all do) remember to read the writings of celibate saints and nuns to remind yourself that women who rise above the crowd are truly special. (as Schopenhauer stated)

With every reading of weineger remember to read Simone Weil or st Theresa. Women are not inherently awful, but their drives are subverted much more intensely and destructively than mans.

>>14112071

>>14112078
>people
>not complex

>>14113310
FUCK

Stop baiting people with images like that.

http://traditionalcatholicsermons.org/index_files/StAlphonsus_SixteenthSundayAfterPentecost_OnImpurity.mp3

>>14113211
quick q, why do write wahmen? There's a dumb podcast called Red Scare and one of the hosts gets mocked for saying women in a weird accent that sounds like "wahmen."

Yeah, thanks for taking time to respond to my questions. It was helpful.

Do you think social location has much to do with your worldview? Not to assume you interpret most of the world though redpill, more that its attractive to you at all in the first place. I often think I'd be more engaged with redpill if I hadn't the luxury of a solid middle class hs education that I managed to turn into a good college and grad school experience, it would have seemed more appealing. Like, I was taught a fairly egalitarian gender ethic growing up and I never felt the need to deviate from it in how I interpeted women I was in social, sexual, or professional relationships with. If I was more downwardly mobile, isolated with less social capital around a lot of people who married early and just in general were sexually active before I was, I'd think I'd need to revise my schema. Instead, I've always been around other semi-neurotic, awkward people who comprise most of my social group and it's never been terribly hard to hook up with or have a relationship with them. It's become less and less of a surprise that other people are much more desperate for human contact, whether a nice chat over coffee or a quick fuck, than they seem when at a distance from them. I think that colors a good chunk of my worldview and so much of redpill turns that on its head. Instead of people searching for comfort and community with others, they are these hyper choosy individuals that have to be gamed into extracting sex or even just time out of.

I just bring up social location because it reminded me of a conversation I had with a friend last year where he put it to me that he thinks we'd be /pol/-tier alt-right guys if we had been born poorer and in the south. I thought he was delusional at the time, but reflecting on it, I think I got the point. We're both irony poisoned guys interested in obscure history, we just were able to channel that into fairly normcore liberalism (think like Model UN internationalism) that eventually evolved into environmental activism for him and anarchist Christianity for me. I think there could have been an opposite trajectory had I grown up in a more conservative, rural area but still with good access to the web.

Thanks for clarification around pump and dump thots, that fits in with the post. I was frustrated no one had suggested any decent fiction really and took it out on you, but it fit the theme of OPs post and the thread at large, appreciate your clarity. I just don't really have a mental inclination towards flings so hearing people get into one night stands with thots or whatever sorta turns me off.

>>14113298
>who hates women
This is the most foolish thing one could do. Instead of hating them and wishing that they conformed to your arbitrary ideals, accept the work of nature as it is. Hating anyone or anything won't accomplish anything positive.
Schopenhauer also touched on this. People love to label him as a life-hating misanthrope but in reality he preached acceptance (not just of women, but in general).

>>14113310
My sisters friend is an executive at a major interior design company. At a dinner party I asked her her secret and she looked me dead in the eye and said “I fucked my way to the top”. She was not joking as the ceo was her boyfriend
Needless to say I don’t envy her as she is addicted to coke and never misses an opportunity to talk about her ex Turkish boyfriend who broke her heart
Success is inherently spiritual. Stay around rich people long enough and you will see

>>14113243
Yeah, for finding interesting new books, I should disregard these threads. But, I do like finding more about how people come to these conclusions and whether their worldview online extends to the real world. I taught a literature course in prison when I was in undergrad and ran across a lot of people with similar views and attitudes and they ended up being pretty interesting people with more complex thoughts on literature than 'lol. women are thots." It's amazing how much threads like these on /lit/ mirror those class discussions.

>>14113354
i write wahmen because i find it funny. i also like to pronounce diabetes as die-uh-beh-tus. im autistic like that.

im not sure social location influenced my red pill trajectory.
i wouldn't have discovered red pill if i didnt fall hard on my ass.
but to provide some relevant demographics, i dont come from a poor family, and i attended (then withdrew) from a top 10 law school.

i was taught all the traditional blue pill stuff you commonly hear. sexual equality. be a gentleman. wahmen like a strong (not just physical, maybe fortitude is a better word) men. and on and on.

i do think believe in your social location theory. political leanings and religion etc tend to correlate with geographical location, as well as social location - numerous studies have shown the greatest predictor whether youll be republican or democrat was whether your parents were republican or democrat.

trump is an idiot. hes like a broken clock that happens to be right twice a day.
but the best thing about trump getting elected? suddenly America was forced to face the reality that nearly 50% of the population voted for trump.

polls show a significant minority of americans are like young earth creationist. i forgot the exact numbers, but it wasnt something small like 1 percent. and yet, i do not know a single person that believes in creationism. i also do not know a single person that voted for trump.

yet, somehow, someway, we subtly filter the people we interact and socialize with (all without ever vetting them through questions like "how old do you think the earth is?") to the point where we inhabit a bubble where it almost seems inconceivable that someone would believe in creationism.

finally, redpill isnt attractive to me. it just is what it is. that is the way of the world. the truth is that there still remains a bitter part of me that wishes the redpill was all lies, if only so i could return to the familiar falsities of the blue pill world.

as another anon pointed out, Models by Mark Manson is a good redpill book.
The Rational Male is a good blog, although supposedly theres been some outcry because the author "sold out" but most of his stuff is solid
also all the science stuff i referred to in my post way back still holds true
i realize none of this is fiction, but where are you going to find redpill fiction?
theres no decent redpill fiction because there isnt any money to be made (especially when considering the effort)
the closest youll get is Book of Pook, which is told in a fiction sense (dude wanders around, meets a sage, asks sage a question, sage provides answer) but it's not decent in the way Harry Potter is decent

>>14113211
>ive had sexual intercourse with 5 wahmen
>ive successfully gotten 7 wahmen to cheat on their boyfriends with me. 5 through explicit physical intercourse
Have you given thought on why you only go after women in relationships?

>>14113472
it really just happens. i never purposefully go after wahmen in relationships. i did not know any of the wahmen (except 2) were in a relationship prior to courting.

i only brought it up to shed some light that im not just an angry virgin whos never even spoken to a wahmen before. and that i think i have some skills with wahmen, enough to get them to cheat (but then again, maybe sleeping with committed wahmen is easier than random one-night-stands)

all that being said, ive been in a dry spell for so long its better described as a drought

>>14113243
How do you not alienate yourself from women? I don't think I do that but I'm going on 24 and still a virgin despite having my life together pretty well in every other way. I always thought redpill shit was...shit, but now I'm not so sure because I have no idea what else to do and what I've been doing is obviously not working.

>>14113487
I don't doubt that most redpill guys have talked to women, have slept with women. People nowadays beat too much on the incel, angry virgin drum cause it's an extreme, but I'm more interested in how redpill persists after consistent hookups, even relationships. I mean it makes sense, stick with what's working. But does in bring a sense of clarity in other aspects of your life not directly connected to women? It seems like Models had good tips on self-improvement

>>14113574
Not him but what makes you so sure that your view of women is the correct one? As much as you're curious about how redpill persists I would like to know the reverse.

>>14113515
I personally just have a headstart when compared with other men I've talked to. In middle school, I befriended a bunch of women because I thought it'd be easier to date them if I knew them better. In fact, I started doing theater just because a lot of hot girls at the time did it. Turns out, I actually really liked acting and enjoyed learning to sing and dance better, even if I never got super good at either of those. I entered high school with a decent cadre of female friends, 'dated' a couple my freshman year, had bad, awkward breakups, and just found that being friends was easier, served my emotional needs better. I'm a fairly sentimental, emotionally driven person though, so I get a lot more energy from close friendship than an average sexual relationship. As I grew older, I began becoming friends with more men, realized the men I were friends with were better at taking, making jokes and getting drunk with. Hung out more with men in college, but still maintained close female friendships. I think it's just the confidence that if I set my mind to it, allow myself to be a little vulnerable, I can be at least acquaintances with most agreeable people. If we share a hobby, that can usually morph into a friendship. It's a lot tougher postgrad, but it just teaches you to cherish what social interaction you do get

>>14113515
get a hooker. get it out of the way, mentally speaking, otherwise you may find yourself too hung up on the fact that the last time your penis was in a vagina was when you were in your mother's womb

and then go and read redpill. pay more focus, initially, on stuff that would inconspicuously fall under "self-help" and "self-improvement" if not for the fact that its labeled redpill

stay away from PUA stuff that promises you a magical cure
>if you say X, Y, Z, and wear A, B, and C, you are guaranteed to have a wahmen in your bed by the end of the night
sometimes redpill advice may come off like that, but thats because its an exercise to get you to commit, and to go out and talk to wahmen.

have you ever done sales? because its kinda like sales. when you first start sales, youre nervous and so you just read off the script. and then you get into the flow of it, and then you no longer need the script in the way you used to.
itll provide you a framework to work within, but then you play it according to your specific circumstances.

stuff like shit tests may come off as "ewww" but really its just an fun word for "this is how wahmen often speak and act in certain situations, here is the framework to address it, and some ways to respond"

>>14113574
redpill suffers from its scope, but it acknowledges that and never aimed to go beyond that. redpill is there to address dating and sex. thats it. its tangentially related to career and income (wahmen are hypergamous, and income + social standing is a factor that they value), or a healthy life (lifting is healthy for you, but also wahmen prefer fit bodies or dad bods), but it constrains its scope to the sexual playing field

if you want something more than that, im afraid youll have to look for something past redpill. MGTOW is good, but only because its mantra is essentially "you do you bro, whatever that you may happen to be. if that you is someone who wants to enter a committed monogamous relationship, that's fine, but dont forget MGTOW"

one clarity it brought to my life was that it changed the way i view things in general.
i used to openly identify as liberal. now, if i had to put a label, i would describe myself as more conservative leaning
i used to openly identify as atheist. now, im still an atheist in the strictest sense, but i place a high value on religion and do read religious stories/stuff from time to time
>and truly, i say to you, today you will be with me in paradise - what some dead jew said to a convicted thief

it showed me how narrowly i viewed the world before, and it made me much more open to trying to see things through different perspectives

it showed me how much i was just following the herd, and it made me much more willing to go against the grain, even if it would make you a social pariah

>past: wahmen earn only 78 cent on the dollar! thats abhorrent!
>now: actually, there are like 20 factors as to why wahmen earn less than men, and sexism is just one small factor

>>14112071
Oh my god. I rarely say that but fking SAGE. This is the worst thread on /lit/ by far. Where are the mods? This is a dimwit discussion. I had this idiots philosophy when I was fking 14. Grow up

>>14112071
That is some grade A fuckmeat.

>>14113601
Mostly experience, I guess? I mean, I don't doubt some of redpill is correct, in a broad, giving some content to chemistry way. Like, I suppose women are more predisposed to talk about 'people' vs. 'things,' but I've had a whole slew of conversations with women that don't involve talking about other people and plenty with men that are concerned with finding more about ourselves, friends and others. I know that's not exactly how that dichotomy works, but it just seems simple. I'm sure if I read into it, it'd bring up some stuff I could validate with my day-to-day life, but so much of it just doesn't cohere.

I disagree with how the little redpill lit I've seen interprets friendship as a kind of afterthought in dealing with women, honestly. I'm served emotionally and somewhat spiritually by my platonic connections with women I care about, and a lot of redpill stuff looks down at that, casting anything other than conquering women by hookup or strict monogamous sexual relationship as weak and effeminate (though in many capacities I could be considered effeminate, I suppose).

Mostly my view of women comes through a personal understanding of certain theologies. Girard's ideas of violence as mimetic made me think that a lot of uber-masculine posturing is mainly ritualistic and only inspires violence. Instead, the example of Christ as the figure that rejects all sacrificial violence spoke to me. A God who lowers himself to inquire meekly and provide a strong moral example to those around him. I additionally read a lot of psychoanalytic thinkers about the clouding effects of desire. Especially Cruel Optimism by Lauren Berlant. We tend to desire that which works against our flourishing. I read Christian thinkers who engaged with this notion of dispossessive love, that when Christs calls us to renounce our families to follow him, it means to additionally do away with all possessive relationships. I still don't know exactly what it means to love dispossessively, but that's something I try to learn more about as a try to better understand my faith. I think this leads me to practice building compassion, trying to see how others view the world, not assuming I know what's best for others.

If you're interested in more psychoanalytically informed fiction that coheres to my general view of gender, sex etc, I'd probably say Kazuo Ishiguro's Never Let me Go has been foundational for a lot of this stuff that's not explicitly connected to my Christianity

>>14113608

Not OP, but could you expand on that book? I selected it as preparation for a writing project but ended up not reading it. Is it good? What are its main qualities?

>>14113709
>Kazuo Ishiguro's Never Let me Go
I've actually read that book. Could you elaborate on how it relates to the other parts of your post? Do you mean the way Tommy acted is the best way to act?

>>14112071
Butt.

>>14113806
Like I said, it doesn't play into my theology, but I think it offers a pertinent depiction of how desire orients us in the world. Kathy's search for an original in porn mags was blackly funny and a great example of how we rationalize desire as something that explains what we are and where we come from. Kathy does not have a mother in a normative sense and thus engages with pornography in a way that she believes will give her closure.

I don't like finding exemplars for morality in fiction, admittedly because I try only to look at the life of Christ as the supreme moral example. I found myself more connecting with Ruth and her choice to reveal Madame's home address to Kathy and Tommy as an admirable act. Even after years of lying to Kathy and deception to keep Tommy to herself, she did something which, if deferrals actually existed, would have given Kathy and Tommy an unimaginable Good. Sadly, like Ruth, we can't really give others unimaginable Goods, instead we settle for little acts of kindness and compassion as we help others whose desire leads them as astray as we are.

It's not my favorite novel, but it had enough potent scenes and accurate depictions of feeling lost and aimless. I love the subtlety of Ishiguro's dystopia. We see the interior life of the dystopia's queerest subjects and how they attempt to scrounge around for bits of meaning even though they aren't built to do so. Gave me a lot to think about, I guess.

>>14113310
Wtf I love women now

>>14112098
"I'm not a misogynist"

>>14113372
hahaha. Good for her though. It's admirable to exploit weaknesses in the system. Men need to stop giving it so easily and then women will be less degenerate.

>>14113603
I don't have any trouble making friends, I have plenty of good friends who I go out to bars with and do things with multiple times a week. None of them are women though.
>It's a lot tougher postgrad
That's the problem I'm having right now...


>>14113628
I don't need self-help or any of that bullshit, I'm /fit/, have a social life, and have a good job that makes me good money. I just need an instruction manual for women. The handful of times I've hooked up with girls in bars they never want to go any further than just kissing and I don't understand what the point of that is. Why would you just want to kiss some random guy but not fuck him. I can't be that terrible of a kisser because they're never the ones to pull away from me and whenever I try stop to try to move things along they just want to keep hooking up. How long do I have to suffer through that shit to finally get my dick wet? I usually just get bored and go get more drinks when they don't want to leave.

>>14113964
Thank the Lord for keeping you chaste. What a tremendous blessing that you mistake for a curse.

>>14113367
Do you think the nature of women is truly on display in modern capitalist societies? I’m not sure it is. And therefore I reject the reification of women as they are now as being some sort of natural phenomena. I’d argue that it’s good to see what the ideals of femininity could be.

>>14113964
Not any anons, but I used to have the same problem. Try doing yoga or forming some effeminate hobbies, yoga was a great place to pick up women for me. Bars are also usually terrible places to pick up women and they don't want to fuck because they're scared you'll kill them or rape them anon. You could always get their number, text, and then meet for dinner a week later and fuck them afterwards, but usually if they kissed you they'll feel insecure and don't think it will be special. For some reason girls also seem to like kissing, and I could never understand that.

>>14112100
same

>>14113964
youll discover a lot of the self-help bullshit also includes stuff like "go out and ask 10 random wahmen for their numbers"

self-help gets a bad rap because people think its snake oil or "well everyone knows that" but its more than just that, and any cursory reading of redpill stuff will show that

redpill also goes into the idea of frame, which is really just self-help for "be strong, stay strong, and be true to your path"

dont take a shit on self-help until youve actually given it a try.

also maybe you dress poorly or are ugly as shit. traditional "self-help" surely would help you in that regard.

all im saying is, you're fit, have a social life, and make good money, and youre still a virgin? why would you be so quick to call self-help bullshit then?

finally, there isnt any manual. it only provides you a framework to operate within. some guides will provide explicit instructions, but only as an exercise to remove the mental "what the fuck do i do now" that people frequently encounter
the idea of having a scripted plan, dialogue, course of action helps to remove that inhibition. but any serious redpiller will let you know that eventually its all just guidelines that you have to mold to fit your own particulars.

also picking up wahmen is like sales. make 100 phone calls, and one of them is bound to be receptive to your pitch.

frame, last minute resistance, banter (self-help for how to not be an autistic when communicating and interacting with wahmen) are some keywords you should look for (off the top of my head)

almost all of redpill is self-help.
How to Win Friends and Influence People is self-help. 48 Laws of Power is self-help.

REAL ANSWER INCOMING: Resurrection by Tolstoy

>>14112071
>asks about women
>posts pic of thots
BRILLIANT

>>14113983
What we see is certainly the nature of women *within* the capitalistic society. Capitalism is not a direct product of nature. While hating nature is pointless, since we could never change it, we could acknowledge that the modern world is not the best suited environment for us. That acknowledgement is the first step towards change.
> I’d argue that it’s good to see what the ideals of femininity could be.
It is definitely good to see what the ideals based on could be, but clinching to artificial ideals that were placed in our heads through Disney movies and similar things, and hating nature for it, I would argue could never result in anything good.

>>14114097
>what the ideals based on could be
based on reality*

>>14113990
>Try doing yoga or forming some effeminate hobbies
This is kind of my problem, my hobbies are things like surfing and fishing and shooting, aka I never meet girls doing them. I'm not so sure about yoga though...

>Bars are also usually terrible places to pick up women
Yeah I've noticed. The only time I've hooked up with girls in bars is when I met them through a mutual friend. When I end up vibing with a rando girl I always just get their number but they always either ghost or don't even answer. I've had times where I did everything perfect, even better than perfect to the point where I was personally impressed with my on-the-spot smoothness and they just fucking ghost because they're probably texting a million other guys. I can't get past texting/snapchatting.

>>14114011
I don't dress badly and I know I can't be ugly to the point that I'm repulsive to all women because I've had girls call me cute. I even had a qt come up to me cold in the gym once and ask me for my number. I'm not a model but I appeal to some type of woman.

>but only as an exercise to remove the mental "what the fuck do i do now" that people frequently encounter
See I don't have this problem, I'm pretty good at irl bants and I'm quick on my feet. Everything always seems like it's going so well but then it never goes anywhere

>How to Win Friends and Influence People is self-help. 48 Laws of Power is self-help.
I would never waste my time reading those books.

>>14112098
This is a good metaphor but I don't know how to translate it into actual praxis when it comes to dealing with women. I don't necessarily mean in a sexual manner but generally.

>>14114118
then perhaps you need to man the fuck up and just make a move other than irl bants
you know sex is a physical act right?
find reasons to touch her. give her plausible deniability as to why the stars have suddenly aligned and you and her have shifted into a location and position where sex just "happens"

a cheeky cunt that is quick to dismiss shit as "I would never waste my time reading those books" and also gives off an air of "dude, i totally have all it takes to put my penis in a vagina, but somehow it aint happening, and surely it cant be me!" seems like a cuntiscle not worth wasting more time on

>>14114130
not that guy, but you really do eventually learn to fundamentally see them as children

think of how you treat a child, you don't assume it has self-awareness, you don't assume it has any real sense of responsibility, you assume it's prone to rashness and entitlement, you assume it doesn't have a complex enough picture of the world to understand why its momentary whims aren't the most important thing in every situation. some of these might not be true, there are relatively mature children. but a child is generally a dumb, shallow, selfish version of a full adult person. you generally have to subtly condescend to them and talk down to them because they aren't mature, smart, responsible, or patient enough to engage with anything "adult," and they have a tendency to default to "but i wanna do what i wanna do!" so you have to be constantly herding them in subtle ways. and sometimes you have to simply assert authority, and on some level they instinctively know they are supposed to submit to authority.

same exact situation with women.

>>14112071
Men and women have similar psychology, we just have slightly different drives. Talking to them is a good way to start and you'll probably find one worth talking to.

People are good and some disgust me to no end, having a vagina just means they could pop out a baby.

>>14114135
>oh you dont want to read my shitty book recommendations? then man up an rape a girl
epic

>>14112098
*Some women, tho it seems an ever increasing amount in this society.

>>14114169
>making a move is rape

Get raped

>>14114155
There's plenty of (dumb) men who act this way too, tho they tend to be more assertive in their "momentary whims"

>>14114155
dubs of truth
but i fear some autist will actually go out there and start talking to wahmen like they actually are retarded children
>aww, wittle baby is hungry? want eat food?

its can be difficult to balance the subtitles of herding them without bruising their ego
>OH MY GOSH, ARE YOU MAINSPLAINING TO ME?
but you also do need to put your foot down hard because as the other anon said
>you need to assert authority
there are certain situations where you just gotta draw a line and then let the cards play out, while being able to not give a shit what she does because
>you know that if it doesnt work out 1) this wahmen wasn't worth it and 2) you can always get other wahmen

wahmen in general are (and want to be) submissive to men. theres a reason one of the most common sexual fantasies for wahmen is rape. theres also a reason that most wahmen would characterize themselves as submissive

also dont pay too much credence to what wahmen say. see how wahmen act.

>>14114174
thanks, cause i didnt want to actually give another
>you
to that cunty dildo

>>14114155
do you ever spend time with actual children? most of them quickly see through that type condescension. "subtly herding them" doesn't work. telling them what to do and creating consequences for disobedience does. neither case of behavior is particularly effective for women, who do possess consciousness. maybe you should spend more time with both groups.

>>14112071
>be me at end of day walking home
>tired as fuck
>look at qt girl
>she gives me a huge adorable smile
>walk past her expressionless
>brain doesnt detect the interaction that just occurred until after I walk past her
AAAAAA HOW CAN I SUPPRESS MY AUTISM SO I GET A GF IM SO FUCKING LONELY

>>14112100
Pickwick Papers by Charles Dickens has some interesting takes on women,

>>14114174
>hooking up with girls and feeling them up isn't making a move

men are from mars women are from venus

(contested)

>>14114199
its just a figure of speech thats both hyperbolic and provocative in order to get a message across
>whamen are not like men
>whamen are more like children
>guide the wahmen, occasionally explicitly assert your dominance over the wahmen, and most of all, dont forget that its mostly just have light hearted fun with the wahmen

no ones going around instituting pavlovs bell or some shit where you punish and reward wahmen like they are children. at least not in extremely superficial ways
>wahmen did good, wahmen get treat
its more like
>wahmen has been acting well recently, and has helped me out with X, Y, or Z (maybe its the dishes, maybe wahmen brought you lunch)
>im going to surprise wahmen with a planned trip to this wahmen's favorite shitty artists gallery followed with wahmen's favorite shitty totally not worth the money restaurant
>but im not going to explicitly say "hey wahmen, im doing all of this this is because you did so and so"

>>14114193
>also dont pay too much credence to what wahmen say. see how wahmen act.

this i agree with big time. one of the biggest red pills is the first time you realize that women experience literally no disconnect between saying X when it feels good to say X, and completely betraying and contradicting X five seconds later when it feels good to do that. women like to "try on" male-centric morals and virtues like children playing dress-up, but they don't actually know what it means to set up a virtue as an objective principle for oneself and then resist the temptation to break it in future moments when it stops being convenient and pleasant.

so if you ask a woman what kind of guy she values, she will blab on and on for hours about how noble she is and how she sees through superficiality and only wants sweet genuine men and etc., etc., etc. then five seconds later she'll completely contradict everything she said. the key thing to understand about women is that they don't perceive any difference here. from a man's perspective, you are thinking "but she said 'i only do X' and two seconds later she did 'non-X'?" this is because the fundamental modality of male consciousness is erecting principles and trying to follow them - even if you're a shitty man, it just means you're shitty and weak at erecting principles, not that the FUNDAMENTAL modality of principle-erection is absent. a woman's fundamental modality is "doing what i feel like." to a woman, that behavior is completely consistent: in the first instance, she did what she felt like. then she did what she felt like again. only a man perceives that the CONTENT of the actions was contradictory, i.e., would be contradictory if performed by a man. but for a woman whose primary stream of consciousness is "what do i want to do right now? :) perhaps i'll wear a ribbon in my hair tomorrow, tra la la!," no such contradiction occurred, or indeed is even possible.

Just imagine a man, then remove accountability and reason

>>14114204
It's a one step at a time process

>>14112071
I don't care if women are shit, I want someone to cuddle with, and I'm not gonna go gay. How do I get a gf?

>>14114241
What are the steps?

>>14114204
I was on the bus the other day, and a girl smiled at me. It's the first time that has ever happened. She must have just been thinking of a joke something at the same moment we happened to lock eyes, but it was a really surreal experience anyways. My reaction was so visceral that it made me realize it was the first time a random girl had smiled at me. And I spent the rest of the day wondering what that would be like if it happened often to you.

>>14114244
I'm in a similar position but sadly I have no answer. It would be great if someone could give me step by step instructions that my autistic mind could process.

>>14114264
> if someone could give me step by step instructions that my autistic mind could process
FUCKING THIS. Everyones like "just talk to girls" but then also like "no you can't talk to girls at school", "no you can't talk to girls at work", "no you can't talk to girls at the gym", "you won't find anyone decent on dating sites". I don't even drink so this doesnt relate to me but even with bars its either "none of the girls you meet at bars are worth being in a relationship", "you can't appoach girls at bars by yourself", and I've even heard "leave girls at bars alone don't bother them".

Like I don't even know where to start at the first step which is flirting. Could there just be a place in society where its completely ok for guys to approach girls, and the girl can turn the guy down if she's not interested, but the guy isn't considered weird or creepy for asking?

Also I can't even comprehend anything that comes after the first step like forget figuring out how not to spill my spaghetti on a date and know when its ok to be physicall intimate, and at what point it becomes a real relationship and all that stuff.

>>14112071
We live in a hook up culture now because Christianity has been eroded from our collective moral bedrock. This was beneficial to us but ultimately caused different problems. Woman now seek out men who have their own magic fire, therefore the sacred rites must be immanent from them before marriage can or should happen. Basically you need to learn how to have sex with hot bitches now before considering whether or not to marry them. You can't just marry them and build up to sex much anymore unless you're both properly religious and expect to be satisfied. She'll probably just be bored. So marry a girl that you've fucked a bunch first.

>>14114118
>This is kind of my problem, my hobbies are things like surfing and fishing and shooting, aka I never meet girls doing them. I'm not so sure about yoga though...
Yoga is lots of fun. I'm an autist and they all are nice to me there, so I wouldn't rule it out. Most of the times things just happen though, so don't bank of an open strategy just keep an open mind and make sure to put yourself out there. How did your parents meet? Have you seen the Before film trilogy?

>>14114325
Will watching the Before films get me a gf?

>>14114325
I don't know if yoga is really my type of thing, I liked doing wrestling and mma not fancy stretching.

>How did your parents meet?
I have no idea, I assume it had something to do with my dad being a lifeguard.

>Have you seen the Before film trilogy?
No

>>14114295
I'm with you anon, my loneliness is absolutely crippling but I don't have even the faintest idea where to start when it comes to seeking a relationship. I guess I'm more fortunate than some on here in that I have a few friends that are girls, but the girl(s) is/are always taken.

I crave intimacy but also fear it and don't know how to get it. I'd stay a virgin forever if I could just find someone who loved me and I could love back

Protip: Are you a sports bro who fucks thots and doesn’t give a shit about anything? How many of the dudes in your life are not like that?

Unsurprisingly, the same shit applies to women. If you think all women are vapid, then why aren’t all men? Don’t be swindled by “red pill” articles, here’s your actual red pill: women are as varying in personality as men. Thots are certainly a valid and prevalent personality archetype, but there are a myriad of others- consider the kind of guy that comes to mind when you read “basedboy” “Chad” “Coffee Shop Barrista” “Dude who loves fishing” or “car salesman”. All distinct personality tropes with little overlap, so why would all women fit into one?

>>14114343
No, but it'll show you what could happen if you put yourself out there. Imagine your fantasy of talking to that random girl on the train played out and she indulges you and you are a pseudo-intellectual in your late 20s. It's valuable because it's comforting in showing the ambiguity of the world and how things just happen and there's no clear cut method for falling in love or getting laid

>>14114357
Well if your old man could do it and you have his genes then so could you and Yoga makes you better at MMA/Wrestling. All of the elite guys do it.

>>14114402
Women have no personality because they have no need for one.

>>14114396
Oops, the girls I'm INTO are the taken ones, my friends are my friends and I'm not looking to date them per se

"Will and Willingness.

Someone brought a youth to a wise man, and said, "See, this is one who is being corrupted by women!" The wise man shook his head and smiled. "It is men," he called out, "who corrupt women; and everything that women lack should be atoned for and improved in men for man creates for himself the ideal of woman, and woman moulds herself according to this ideal." " You are too tender-hearted towards women," said one of the bystanders, "you do not know them!" The wise man answered: " Man’s attribute is will, woman’s attribute is willingness - such is the law of the sexes, verily! A hard law for woman! All human beings are innocent of their existence, women, however, are doubly innocent; who could have enough of salve and gentleness for them!" "What about salve! What about gentleness!" called out another person in the crowd, "we must educate women better!" We must educate men better," said the wise man, and made a sign to the youth to follow him. The youth, however, did not follow him."

>>14114295
you need to do some groundwork on the basics of social interactions. and then you need to follow that up with research talking about the basics of social interactions, but with wahmen.

get rid of that blue pill shit. not only is it ineffective, its also a useful tool for you to continue finding excuses as to why you continually fail or cannot try.
the only "no you cant talk to girls at" i agree with is work and gym (work because income > risk of bye bye job and gym because stable gym > having to find new gym or dealing with that wahmen at your gym on a regular basis now)

you need to just go out and approach whamen. dont say stupid shit that would get you thrown in jail, unless you can tell shes already attracted to you
>brad pitt throws rocks at wahmen's window
>aww, brad pitt is so cute and sweet
>you throw rocks at wahmen's window
>we have a stalker here, pls call 911
just say hi, how are you doing
>at a coffee shop: what kind of coffee do you like?
>at a bookstore, wahmen has Harry Potter book: have you read JK Rowling's new Harry Potter screenplay?
>on the street: i think youre cute (you have nice shoes), do you wanna grab some coffee (can i have your number?)
here comes the hard truth
probably all the wahmen will reject you
but thats okay, its training to become numb to the rejection. rejection is fine. twiddling your thumbs is not.

nigga theres actually creepy, and theres just "ew what a creep"
the latter is shit you just shrug off. here is what it looks like from a third person
>man says "hi, would you like to grab some coffee?"
>whamen says "no"
>man goes, "okay, thats fine, goodbye"
>wahmen goes "eww what a creep"
>third person goes "really? that qualifies as creep? maybe this whamen is a cunt"

also punch your weight

>>14112071
Women are fucking stupid in general but also more emotionally mature than most guys. Most males are dumb so imagine what is going on in the average woman's brain

>>14114445
Holy reddit.

He just needs to be attractive, the rest barely matters.

>>14114428
You're like equating an attractive suburban girl that went to a liberal arts school to a bimbo with fake tits and a professional athlete boyfriend. Some girls are fun to talk to. The ones who don't realize how much power in our society that they actually have.

>>14114445
>also punch your weight
What do you mean by this?

Also yeah you make a good point. I really have a problem though I'm really unnecessarily shy and introverted and bad at social interaction. How do you get the guts for the first approach?

>>14114473
Would you find them just as fun to talk to if they didn't have a pretty face, a gentle voice, soft boobs, and a nice ass? Too many people conflate sexual attraction's feel-good daze and genuinely fun conversation.

>The ones who don't realize how much power in our society that they actually have

Every woman past her puberty is aware.

>>14112071
Women always have the mentality of 16 years old girls, they are very simple of understand.

>>14114258
My instincts tell me life shouldn't be so terrible

>>14114445
>you need to do some groundwork on the basics of social interactions. and then you need to follow that up with research talking about the basics of social interactions
I need this. Can you elaborate on this part? What do you mean by "doing groundwork?" and can you direct me to these researches?

>>14114494
>Would you find them just as fun to talk to if they didn't have a pretty face, a gentle voice, soft boobs, and a nice ass? Too many people conflate sexual attraction's feel-good daze and genuinely fun conversation.
Bizarrely enough I'm had women friends who I didn't find attractive. However, none of them were fat and none of them were very good friends.

>>14114510
>What do you mean by "doing groundwork?"
Not him, but unironically read Carnegie. Learn to let her talk. Let her spill her own fucking spaghetti.

>>14114488
as in if youre an ugly fuck, why are you hitting on super models and then lamenting why super models wont give you a chance

recognize and acknowledge what your actual sexual market value is, adjust accordingly
>i am currently fat virgin who can barely talk to whamen
>oh look, kinda fat whamen that dresses poorly
>ill go talk to her anyway
insert whatever variables that are more realistic to your specific situation

>but i dont want ugly whamen! i want cute whamen like my 2D waifu!
okay, work your way there. no ones saying you gotta get married to the first girl you date.

>>14114510
look, im in no way qualified to be some kind of dating coach. all i can say is
>1) look back on this thread, ive posted some resources before
>2) do your own research. ive already given you some keywords to get you started.
if you cant even demonstrate your own initiative to do something as simple as "do your research" then im not really sure what i say here will have any fruitful bearing in the long run

whamen dont give a fuck about your pokemon cards, unless thats what she happens to like
and the chances she actually likes pokemon cards to the point where she spergs over the shit that has to be explained in excel charts is close to zero. at best she has a cursory interest.
talk about stuff you tangentially care about, but that also tingles her vagene
>oh, you enjoy music too? what type of music do you like?
let the whamen babble on
>oh yeah, ive heard of that artists, i particularly like this album/song (oh, ive heard of that genre, have you heard XYZ?)

you shouldnt reorient your entire life to serve the whamen
>i should somehow muster my will-power to force myself to like knitting even though i dont give two shits about it because whamen like knitting!
youre an island. you build shit on your island. whamen will occasionally row by your island. interested whamen will want to dock on your island to learn more about your island and interact with you
>cooking is gay
>actually cooking can be fun, look at gordon ramsey. not only can it save money, be healthy, and it can taste good! this is a valuable skill!

>do yoga cause the whamen like yoga
wrong
>you know what, ive been trying to get into fitness lately, and yoga seems like a way to get my foot in the door. also yoga stretches can help with my the tighness in my back, my bad posture, my computer neck, so yeah, why not yoga?

>>14114542
>have you heard XYZ?
>MFW I had a chance with this girl who listened to YYZ

>>14114542
>look, im in no way qualified to be some kind of dating coach.
>1) look back on this thread, ive posted some resources before
>2) do your own research. ive already given you some keywords to get you started.
Good advice, though I was thinking more about social interactions in general. I thought maybe you had specific research papers in mind.

>>14114540
I've already read Carnegie and implemented his stuff but my social skills are still weak.

Book of Pook should be taught in schools

>>14114572
Then master it and make it work. Broads (generally speaking) exemplify Carnegie's findings. There will be outliers but it works with most of them once you plant the seed.

>>14113085
Not that anon, but what's wrong with pump and dump? People these days, especially women are encouraged to pursue promiscuous lifestyle in their 20's while settling down in 30:s for a "nice man". Why can't men do the same. And I don't fault women at all for this.

>>14114562
i dont know of any specific research papers
but i do "know" some stuff, just off the top of my head

be confident when talking to the whamen
dont hide away or be looking at the door when talking to whamen
whamen pick up these little social cues and body language
you can cross your legs so that youre slightly angled away from the whamen, thats fine, but you still gotta look at the whamen when youre talking

dont be afraid to hold eye contact with the whamen
one easy exercise to first start is to always look in front of you when walking
whenever you catch a man looking at you, look back. dont break eye contact until he does.
ive done it once while smoking a cig at a ghetto bus stop with a gangster looking fellow. sounds retarded but it got my heart pumping and was kinda fun. life aint the movies, chances are they arent gonna shank you just for looking back at someone that looked at you.
unless youre in a shady neighborhood, its dark, no one is around, there are no security cameras, and this guy starts doing something more than just look back

eventually youll need to be able to get a feel for when whamen have interest in you. that will allow you to escalate the situation without the whole "RAPE" ordeal
how? im not quite sure to be honest, im just a 4channer too, and also each whamen is different
but here are some cliche but often true shit
>whamen laughs at the stuff you say, even when the stuff you say isnt particularly funny
>whamen somehow finds a way to "make time" for you
whamen dont hit on men the way men hit on whamen. whamen take the intiative by making themselves "available" to the men they want to be approached.
somehow this whamen ends up waiting at the same bus stop as you more frequently. you coulda sworn another bus running another route also could get her home as well
somehow whamen is closer to your, in terms of physical proximity, this provides you a chance to approach the whamen (or a higher likelihood youll "need" to approach the whamen)
>hey whamen, got a lighter?
>hey whamen, i forgot my pencil, can i borrow one?

whamen like plausible deniability. whamen dont like to be held responsible for their own actions.
whamen also like to "feel the magic"
and magic to whamen is "its all so natural, it just happened!"
>whamen, why did you sleep with Joe?
>whamen: well Joe said he had this vinyl collection, i went to his place to listen
>whamen: then Joe taught me how to work the vinyl player, our hands happened to touch, and then i dont know, it just kinda went from there!

>hey whamen, i brought you your soda
>gives whamen drink while slightly making physical contact to her hand with yours

when whamen is clearly attracted to you, you can be more bold and just do it
because whamen like bold and aggressive
whamen like man (man that the whamen wants) to somehow feel so attracted to her he cant help but have her

>>14114542
but how are you supposed to feign attractino for a disgusting girl like the fat one you mentioned? no one ever says how to lie perfectly well so they won't know you don't find them attractive. like i know i'm an ugly bastard but that doesn't mean i desire ugly people.

>>14114629
>>14114599
Thanks anons.

>>14112071
NLP, it won't simply help you with understanding women but men aswell.

>>14114692
It's also pseudoscience.

>>14114650
treat it as training. go through the motions even if youre just feigning.

or if you live in a decently populated place/city, i dont see why you just cant start with moderately attractive whamen. but youll see way less results, and that will in turn be a hit on your confidence. also theres the problem of only so many whamen.

you could counteract that by deliberate planning.
>okay, training phase A, i will go to edge of town and "burn" through the moderately attractive whamen there as training
>but i also need to pace myself and leave areas around me for actually trying to hit on whamen too
you could go to that random bookstore at the edge of town during the morning. and then afternoon some coffee shop nearby. and then alternate a few places here and there so you exhaust same places at different times

or, like i said, you can just feign attraction to the whamen and go through the motions anyway.
men like to rate whamen on scale of 1 to 10. its fun, but its kinda dishonest.
because the truth is this: for men, ratings come in 1 or 0.
>1 = fuckable
>0 = not fuckable
most of the 1-10 ratings are subset ratings for group 1

i once hit on this one fat (slightly overweight) whamen just for fun. the whamen responded. the returned attraction in turn made me more attracted to her. it helps that i could picture myself fucking that whamen (i wouldnt want to fuck her all the time, or enter a committed relationship with the whamen, but i def had times where i was particularly horny and was had a particular yearning for thic chicks and thought "would be nice to spread that whamens vagene and just pound away")

also this may be bad advice, but may be useful for some particularly autistic people here
hire a hooker as training
>i once hired a hooker just to talk, because muh depression
>did this for like three sessions, because honestly, just wanted to talk
>hooker got the idea that this wasnt some elaborate ploy
>holy shit, hooker gave me her real name and real number (not her hooker "deal with the Johns" number)
>ask hooker out
>holy shit i just had a weeks worth of sex with hooker for free! (although i did technically pay for three sessions previously, but even then, the truth is youre paying her for her time, and i did use that time already, but whatever)
>hooker even stayed the night and i cuddled with hooker
>godamnit son, its a hooker, wake up. also you have gonorrhea now because one time during the ecstasy of sex she let go and took off the condom to let you hit it raw
>your penis will burn. your penis will leak. you need to make an appointment with a doctor.

>>14114295
the moral of the story is that all women are whores and you should seek fulfillment on your own unless you can find a 1 in a 100 decent wife to breed because having children (males) is very good for the soul

>>14114542
I think I'm a 6-7/10 slightly above average mildly fit 5'9 white guy. What type of girl should I go for? Legitimately asking.

Women don't become a functioning human with a personality until at least 25. They are like tabula rasa until that point. Problem is they are guided through society and have a high chance of being extremely fucked by the time they reach this age.

>>14114440
good post.

>>14114725
I am a skinny 6'0 with a 7-8/10 face and also white but with weak social skills. I also have the same question.

>>14114731
>and have a high chance of being extremely fucked by the time they reach this age.

>>14114725
>>14114745
>skinny
>manlet
also, if you rate yourself a 6 or 7 you're probably a 4 or 5 at BEST women rate guys a lot differently than men do. they see the top 7-10 range and then everything else is just eh whatever. you'll know this if/when you hang out with them and hear them talk about guys. I hate women b tw

>>14114748
By fucked I mean crazy. They have probably had a lot of sexual intercourse as well, contributing to their fragmented state of mind.

>>14114754
Only thing that matters is face

>>14114725
5'9 aint short, so theres that
but 5'9 aint tall either
truth is, to a certain degree, whamen care about height
>whamen prefer taller men
>men prefer skinnier whamen
>tis the way the world turns

automatic minus 1 for any self-rated score because we self-inflate.
>youre currently 5-6/10
skew to lower end to be conservative, also because you wouldnt offer a range if you were actually a solid 6
>youre currently 5/10
mildy fit in 4chan speak is skinny-fat, unless youre like us /fit guys with body dysmorphia
>youre currently 4.5/10
youre on 4chan, automatic -0.5
>youre currently 4/10
there, you have a rough idea of what your actual sexual market value is

>what type of girl should i go for?
honestly no clue, highly dependent on the many many variables that make up the person that is you
also no clue about the whamen you like

best advice is what i previously said
there are no types of girls
there are only 1 and 0
>1 is fuckable
>0 is not fuckable

beauty is a spectrum
sometimes we fancy the skinny whamen like miranda kerr
sometimes we like the loli whamen like piper pierri
sometimes we want the thicc whamen like ariel winter before she lost her fat
sometimes we want the tiny whamen like ariana grande
sometimes we want the whamen with long legs like victoria justice
sometimes we want the girl next door whamen like dakota johnson when she isnt donning all her hollywood attire shit
sometimes we want the "you look like a bitch that just needs a good fucking" like emma roberts bitch face
sometimes we just need vagina, like any whamen you see
hotness is a spectrum. there is beauty in all types of whamen, from small to big boobs. from all dat ass to cute little butt.

i truly mean it

>>14114770
that is very true, face is most important by far
but frame is very important too if you are competing with relatively similar looking faces
my dad is 5'3 yet he managed to steal my mom (5'11 virgin at the time) from 6'+ guys because he had a model tier face
lucky me did not get his genetics

This is a good thread, I'm unironically learning here. Now only if the mods couldn't delete this.

>>14114795
Thanks to this anon: >>14114772
He actually takes time to explain..

>>14114772
How about a tall thicc girl with wide hips and cottage cheese ass?

I'd settle for a girl with a pretty face but I'd prefer the prior desu.

>>14114224
>perhaps i'll wear a ribbon in my hair tomorrow, tra la la!

keked and /thread

Before this threads dies or gets removed, anyone have /lit/'s chart to understanding women?

Bruh OP can be the first to write a book on this shit, if stops being an insecure virgin and talks to women as equals. sage

>>14112766

Reminder that everyone in this thread who is suggesting that you talk to women and not read books about them are infact women themselves, and are preventing you from learning about their true nature. Do talk to women but only after you learn the basics.

>>14112182
>OkCupid dating stats
threadly reminder that men view 50% of women as below average in physical attractiveness
>GAZE AT THE NEAR PERFECTION WHICH LIES WITHIN THAT BELL CURVE
while women view 80% of men as below average

yet the popular narrative is that males hold the high standards because as we know, thanks to modern Western culture's propaganda, women are perfect infallible victims who can do no wrong

>>14115001
The wahmen-posting anon made one here: >>14112182
He also suggested some other books. Read the thread.

>>14115064
Thanks.

>>14112071
.

>>14113899
I AM a misogynist though

>>14112544

women focus on people because they have absolutely no capacity to manipulate or control "things". they can only control other people

>>14113298
>women who rise above the crowd are truly special. (as Schopenhauer stated)
no this is false, women who become nuns were sluts like all the women who do not become nuns. women who become nuns do it because they feel they were '''hurt''' when dating men, then they go for retarded religion like chiristianity were they can continue to fantasizes that being compassionate is being enlightened and ''love is god'' and so on

"It's insane, the solipsism of modern women. Totally bonkers. Nothing like it has ever existed.

Worked in cell tower construction for a few years and all the dudes I worked with (tower dogs) were these grizzled 29yo guys who looked 40, with greying hair and leathery hands covered in scars and callouses. I went through some crazy ass shit with those fuckers. Imagine: you're working a 56 hour shift in the dead of winter in southern Oregon. You can't log out of the site without getting it back on air, or your company will be subject to $150k in FCC fines for causing an E911 outage and the whole crew will get fired. It's pouring and you haven't left the site in two days. Not to eat, not to shit, not to change your clothes. You're sick for the third time in two months. There's a staph boil on your leg because your immune system is compromised and every fucking zit and ingrown hair turns into full blown "get me the doxycycline" MRSA. Your boots are soaked and your feet are literally rotting; you can feel the skin move around as it slumps off. Rip-Its are the only thing that have entered your stomach in two and a half days. Your rain poncho isn't keeping the water out anymore and your insulated carhartt overalls are getting damp. Not damp enough for it to be a hypothermia hazard, just enough for it to really fucking suck. Like having a cold moist towel on your back constantly.

The AT&T NOC calls and tells you that GSM is finally back up and alarm free. The site's not completely built yet, but that at least means you and your guys can leave and go back to the hotel for a few hours. The whole crew cheers. You go start the truck and get the heater running full blast.
You and your guys are sitting in the cab, warming up, nodding off, like a bunch of macaques who just found a dry cave after being caught in a thunderstorm. None of you have slept for days. You're starting to hear things that aren't there.

Your coworker - a former marine with multiple tours under his belt and fucking "0311" tatted across his forearm - after staring at his phone for a minute, breaks down sobbing. You ask him what's wrong. It's his wife. She drained their fucking bank account at Wal Mart buying christmas presents. Fucking toys and iPads. $2500 gone. He's not gonna be able to make his mortgage payment this month. He texted her "what the fuck bitch" and now she's threatening to leave and take the kids. "You just don't understand how difficult it is being a mom without you around", she says."

>>14114440
>"It is men," he called out, "who corrupt women;
no it is the opposite, men value too much women, but is men who must be educated, women cannot be educated

>>14115166
>Your coworker - a former marine with multiple tours under his belt and fucking "0311" tatted across his forearm - after staring at his phone for a minute, breaks down sobbing. You ask him what's wrong. It's his wife. She drained their fucking bank account at Wal Mart buying christmas presents. Fucking toys and iPads. $2500 gone. He's not gonna be able to make his mortgage payment this month. He texted her "what the fuck bitch" and now she's threatening to leave and take the kids. "You just don't understand how difficult it is being a mom without you around", she says."
i love how omega males keep being destroyed by women. yesterday some omega white collar retard at mcdonalds' got fired because some roastie chose him for the sex

>>14115194
What are you supposed to do then? Not get married? Not have children?

>>14112071
just read scientific studies and books on evolutionary biology and ethology. it will demystify women for you though. also nietzsche

>>14115166
You should write a novel about this anon, you've got a good voice and the subject seems rich with material.

>>14112753

Stop denying a woman's inherent sexuality. There's a subset of nerd that would have us see each other as grey automatons devoid of sensual feeling

>>14113211
>Goldberg Variations by Beethoven
Bach, you son of a bitch

>>14115166
I enjoyed reading this and you should write more

>>14112098
>A child who's aware of how people fawn over it and the power it holds to do anything it wants.
>men unironically think this
I’m sure obese and/or non-white women are being totally fawned over by everyone

>>14112113
I can smell your unwashed hole from here. Your cadence is very vaginal.

>>14113298
Why does celibacy mean you 'rise above the crowd'?

>>14113310
thats dark

>>14115166
Aye mate I worked hard on the oil rigs and railways.
You are forgetting the part where the men cheat on their wives on the road, gamble and do coke till the wages are gone and then go home and get arrested for domestic abuse.

>>14114258
... you then looked behind back, and saw that she was smiling at her friend who just got on the bus behind you.

>>14113310
What's the difference between a modern woman and the philosophy of Stirner?

>>14115166

This is why America needs a functional left-wing. These are inhumane working conditions.

>>14115617
I don't know man, I worked construction in Europe and it's the same thing.

You either put up with it or they get rid of you and hire a bunch of Poles/Romanians/Bulgarians. These guys will truly work inhuman hours and put up with just about anything, but they usually lack training and skill.

>>14113085
>6'2
>i have no issues getting women
Wow, no shit retard. Almost like being in the top % of male height puts you above a lot of men making you very desireable. The only difference between you and the rest of the vile spitting incels is you were lucky to be born with a sought after trait which gave you access to relationships. Your oppinion is as useless as the wasp telling the bee how to make honey, eat shit and never post again, dumb nigger faggot.

>>14112071
Practical female psychology for the practical man.

>>14113899

>>14114402
Your mistaking vapidity with intrinsic vs extrinsic value. Sportsbros will still value sports even if it didn't get them laid because men still intrinsically value things for their own sake outside of the social strata surrounding it. Women only value things extrinsically based on the amount of social value/capital it will gain them. It logically follows from this that women are more exploitative of the opposite sex since if they don't value a man existentially/intrinsically then they must only be using them for their money, achievements, social status etc.

>184 posts

>>14112071
Are jannies gonna do their job or what? It's been almost a day since I'm forced to behold these luscious jezebel bottoms every time I refresh the catalog. It's seriously distracting me from my high-minded literary work.

women like attention

>>14115622
Not the guy you are responding to but I must say the best situations for workers I have ever seen is sweden where good left wing politics give the workers good wages and conditions.

>>14115559
based

>>14115421
i fucked up. i do sincerely apologize senpai

>>14115037
insert meme
>well yes, but no
modern western cultural narratives have become increasingly more and more gynocentric (which makes it even more ironic seeing as how so much of it recently has been done under guise of "the whamen are being crushed by the patriarchy!")

a lot of what that graph shows is this
men, relatively speaking, place a high value on looks
but the threshold for "good looking" for men is pretty low, because men are biologically wired to fuck everything that moves
>men's standards: as long as whamen isn't fat, i am willing to give this whamen a try

what this shows about whamen is that attraction, for whamen, is composed of many moving parts
looks is a significant component, and when judging the looks factor alone, whamen have high standards
there is reality when virgins sperg
>ITS JUST HEIGHT, FACE, FRAME BRO
>TINDER WORKS ONLY IF YOU'RE A TOP 20% MALE

whamen's biological mating pattern of hypergamy is like capitalism infused into sex
>picking a good mate isnt that easy. identifying "good" traits isnt easy.
>i will let the males compete with each other. the market and competition will yield an answer for me.
>the male that comes out on top must, to some degree, be the better mate
>i cant afford to not be picky, otherwise humans wouldnt have gotten this far
>we would still be chimpanzees, having sex with whoever
in the real world this translates to
>80% of men are kinda like not good to look at, when judging solely on the looks factor alone

but then you have to remember the gold digger whamens
you have to remember the fame chasing whamens
and you remember that attraction, for the whamen, is composed of many factors

biology makes whamen the way whamen they are. the cards are laid out as God has planned, we can only play with what we are dealt with.
but that doesnt mean there arent valid gripes with an increasingly gynocentric society that poses problems for men, whamen, and raising children
>birth control pill has eliminated the real world risks of sex for whamen
>sexual liberation and changing attitudes toward marriage has eroded marriage as an institution
>internet and social media has inflated whamen's sense of self-worth
>child support punishes men who go around sleeping with all the whamen
>but whamen who branch swing are ??
current society is having trouble reigning in hypergamy taken to the extreme
in the past there monogamy was enforced through "soft" power
>shame shame shame
>fathers and mothers raise and instill within whamen the values of monogamy
>religion and local community shuns sluts, praises wives and mothers

now that many of the ways we used to instill monogamy has been torn down, what and who is going to reign in the whamen?
whamen themselves? lets not kid ourselves

why not read books on being a man instead of understanding women

>>14113952
coomers are effeminate men haha

Explain this, Roasties?

>>14112113
>I think there’s a reason people avoid writing about such things
No, I've read horrible books on the topic about a decade ago.
>High school project: read a book from this list
>Pick 'tragedy and suffering' because you're edgy
>End up reading about a roastie who rides the cock carousel and learns to love her rapist
I still hate that book. Forgot its name, though.

>>14115858
Jawline.
Chad can't lose. Literally, it's impossible for Chad to lose.

>>14115858
>explain this
women have no morals not hard

>>14115559
>worked hard on the oil rigs
Not so hard nowadays.

>>14115879
We weren't whipping chains those days are over. But climbing ropes to the crown of the Derrick and hauling chainblocks while at dock in Singapore with no power under a bunch of drunken Scotsman is enough for me.

>>14113310
A blackpill appears.

>>14114251
Step one: trial by fire

>>14113310
Based Bob

>>14112264
>as the wolves cry for the moon they will never possess
Unironically beautiful

>>14116077
but wolves don't cry for the moon, stupid

>>14113310
Bobby pill out there giving no fucks

>>14115617
Sounds like his wife needs a functional life hook

>>14114244
>>14114264
If you're ugly, no step by step instruction will help you. If average looking, prepare to be an emotional tampon. If good looking.. you wouldn't be asking this question. It's as simple as that.

>>14115878
That's still a stupid move, considering how risky it is, regardless of morals.

>>14115516
>by everyone
not everyone you moron. Even the fattest women will have more suitors than the fattest male.

>>14116386
Cope, tbqh. Good looking women always want to be asked out. If a guy is good looking with social anxiety and fucked up high standards, he will die a virgin.

>>14116494
Wrong. Terribly wrong. Good looking men get approached all the time. I've seen it happen almost every time I've gone out with my chad friende. You're the one coping.

>>14115559
>get arrested for domestic abuse
Funny, that. Women initiated physical violence more often yet men are the ones who receive punishment for it.

>>14116543
Even lookism faggots have taken the NT pill. Your friends are most likely NT, and I doubt they are getting 'pure' approached. The way a woman approaches is by putting her near your sphere of influence. I have been approached by women, and this is how it usually goes. It also helps to have open body language.

>>14116595
I don't know what the fuck NT means

>>14116545
Does that not reflect the seriousness of the violence inflicted upon women?
Men are typically stronger than women.

>>14116646
Neurotypical.

>>14116749
Women don't know how autistic you are before they ask you to dance or message first on Tinder
>I doubt they are getting 'pure' approached
Happens all the time. I see it.

>>14112071
imagine children

>>14116386
I have a good face, but my body is too thin and my personality is hm, not woman-friendly.
I challenge people and women to fights all the time. They find it scary, even if they find it sexy if I beat up another guy.

>>14116771
> before they ask you to dance
Yeah, if you stand there looking like a nervous wreck. If getting asked to dance is your opinion of getting approached then I have been approached quite a lot.
> message first on Tinder
If your photos look autistic, yes. Some women can find autism cute though, depends on how you spin it.

Most incels are normal looking niggas with really high standards and autism. A really bad combo, tbqh.

In the end my experience and your good looking friends experiences are all subjective. I don't get the point of whining about not having women approach you. If you want a GF so badly then you have to risk certain things(that one anon that was banned for approaching too much ), nothing in this life is free, and nothing in this life is fair.

>>14116706
What do you mean exactly? If you read the paper in question, it suggests that women initiate physical violence more often than men but receive more damage than men. It's been a while since I've looked it over so I can't articulate it better. Regardless, the point is that women start shit more often and that does not give them a free pass when they inevitably get hit.

>>14112098
hella based

>>14116813
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2968709/
"While survey studies find that women and men report the perpetration of physical aggression at similar rates, women are much more likely to be injured in domestic violence situations "
Domestic violence is a terrible thing regardless of whether it is perpetrated by men or women.
My point was that as women are typically smaller and weaker than men it would mean the violence against them would be much more severe.

>>14112098
I really don't understand where this perception of women come from unless you have spent your life watching porn and reading fucked up stuff on the internet.
The women in my life run the gamut from loving to hateful, hardworking to lazy, clever to stupid etc.
I really don't understand why you think 50percent of the world's population are childish.
Try hanging out with better peopmd

>>14116885
Most people here are schizo shut ins with very little if any interaction with the outside world, and any outside interaction with the world is very superficial and usually subverted by their ideological lenses.

>>14116872
>women suck so much they can't even cause physical harm against others in fights they start.

>>14116899
I go on these sites cos sometime I get a good chuckle and I never take the memes seriously . The worrying thing is some kids are on here just eating this shite up and using it to justify not getting out there and meeting people who might make them happy. It's deeply sad and I'm very lucky I never got hooked on the internet in my youth.

something I never understood about women is the whole element of them being mature and being childish. Like in the picture you posted they're holding teddy bears but they have their asses hanging out.
Another time I was hanging out with my friend and his girlfriend was there and she randomly said she loves being choked and she said it this weird childish sounding voice.

>>14116872
You're right, most of domestic violence is started by women, but it's finished by men.

>>14113211
What is it with people who believe in the redpill/blackpill and having really shitty mothers? I sense a running theme here.

I guess I'm lucky that my mother is pretty good, which probably explains why I've always thought the redpill was a bunch of half-truths at best. The part about always striving to better yourself is true, but actively trying to be "alpha" is a good way to come across as being insecure rather than actually confident in yourself.

>>14115631
Height doesn't mean shit. I say this as someone who's 6'3, been called handsome by several people and has never had a gf.

>>14116872
>My point was that as women are typically smaller and weaker than men it would mean the violence against them would be much more severe.
Yes. This should be common knowledge. So what is your real point, why bring this up?

>>14117029
> Height doesn't mean shit. I say this as someone who's 6'3, been called handsome by several people and has never had a gf.
your biggest problem is most likely not trying hard enough, I had the same problem. I have a pretty low sex drive so I didn't get my first GF until 23.

>>14114244
go to india and find a wife

thats what i did

>>14117029
how is striving to be a better self different from being alpha? being alpha is just becoming a better you to the point where you demonstrate competence within that chosen domain.

people get hung up on the words alpha and beta probably because we're on 4chin.
but climbing the corporate ladder? how is that not the same as "asserting your alphaness?"

being an alpha is the same as "become better, and strive to climb whatever 'ladder' it is you are currently within"

what other general term would you use to substitute the label of alpha? becoming elite? that's not necessarily true, being in high-level management isn't elite, but it can be alpha if your relevant circle (from a vocational standpoint) are those who clean toilets.

rose by any other name smells like the same shitty rose

stop getting so caught up in rejecting redpill view points and terms because "why yes, i too reject <insert evil term>, i am within your favored in-group. please be my friend, and if you are a wahmen, please allow me access to your vajayjay"

i dont really see how you can have such a massive disconnect between "striving to better yourself is true" and then easily hand-wave "but being alpha is insecure"
>strive to better yourself
>you become better
>you climb whatever ladder you are in
>the term for those who have climbed that ladder is alpha
>oh, but alpha is just a stupid neckbeard notion, psshhhh

>>14117029
>Height doesn't mean shit. I say this as someone who's 6'3, been called handsome by several people and has never had a gf.
Imagine failing at easy mode in life.

>>14117031
I think it's a bad thing for people who are weaker to have violence inflicted upon them. If someone weaker or smaller than you starts something you should restrain them while the police are called not break their nose or smash their face in

>>14117071
Why buy into such a cringe tier ideology? Really, what is the point of calling yourself alpha or a follower of red pill. Fuck, it would be better to say you strive to be a strong and good man rather than an alpha. Words have a specific connotation to them, why in the fuck am I going to use a word that is associated with narcissism?

>>14117106
because the redpill sphere has already used alpha as the designated term. just as it has already used the terms like "shit test"

because "strong and good man" is first of all, a string of several words, and second, a vague notion that is much harder to pin down. when you use alpha, especially in a redpill context, people have a much stronger notion of what youre specifically pointing at

perhaps im not old fag enough, and havent spent enough time on moot's hentai site. on the other hand, i thought everyone knew, at some level, that all the posts about alphas and gigachad and LOL 5'11 STANDING NEXT TO 6'0 were significantly based in a tongue-in-cheek context

but yeah, you keep handwaving whatever the hip evil "ideology" is now a days. pat yourself on your back.
>Fuck that guy, he's a Fascist
>we did it guys, pack your bags, time to go home

u big boi, u win /thread

>>14117050
Probably. I've been on a date with a girl before (which didn't work out because we both had busy schedules), but that's only because I felt that I really connected with her. Other women I've interacted with are nice, but I have no desire to pursue a relationship further with them beyond friendship. I guess I just want an emotional connection there, but I haven't found someone that fits that bill yet. I'm a romantic who takes relationships seriously, and in an age of relationships being a very casual thing, I think that puts me in an awkward place.

>>14117071
It's insecure because you're worrying about whether or not what your doing is "alpha" enough rather than just doing what you want with confidence and pride. Doing the latter is the true alpha move, IMO.

>>14117144
i touched upon this in a previous post, so i understand why it wouldnt serve as accessible context here

>do yoga because the wahmen like yoga
wrong
>do yoga because you've been trying to get into fitness, yoga can serve as a means to get your foot in the door, and yoga stretches could help with your posture, the tightness in your back, and your computer neck

>youre an island
>you build shit on your island
>occasionally wahmen in boats will pass by. those interested will want to dock your island and interact with you

that's one of the drawbacks of using alpha. on one hand, especially in the context of frame, it talks about just doing what you do with confidence. on the other hand, you would be an idiot to not acknowledge
>we live in a society
everything we do is somehow someway related to another person

>shinji, you little cunt, there is the you as you see you
>and then there is the you as best girl asuka sees you

its a balance of you doing your own thing, while simultaneously recognizing you cant just discount external signals and responses

>>14117132
Can you objectively tell me what an alpha is according to the red pill? There is no one red pill, anyway. You will get very differing answering from different red pill gurus on various subjects. How is the red pill context much stronger?

In my eyes you are a beta. You are a man who is controlled by his desires. Can't even restrain yourself, sticking your dick into a woman who is taken. Pathetic.

>>14117186
let me tell you what an Alpha is from the perspective of someone not on the red pill:
>an Alpha male is someone who is not on the red pill
there, done.

>>14117199
The fuck you say?

>>14117186
the good and bad thing about redpill is precisely what you said. its a decentralized place of people who agree with an overarching message and idea. but once you peel back the layers, youll notice many different opinions.

redpill context is much stronger when youre talking about sex and dating, which is what redpill aims to address. redpill never aimed to go further than that. redpill never said "abandon ye Jesus, and swallow the pill of red"

so the redpill context of alpha is what it means to be an alpha with an understanding of certain stuff like frame, shit tests, MGTOW (to a certain extent, in the sense of "you do you bro"), and the myriad of other concepts

>being alpha is doing what i do with confidence
>im going to be a pussy orbiter with confidence
yeah, this where redpill alpha will say: "No"

i never said i was an alpha, and i would, unfortunately, have to agree with your diagnoses of me as a beta
on the other hand, as bad as it sounds, i do feel a sense of "conquer and triumph" knowing ive successfully swayed "committed" whamen from other men

you can both recognize the sanctity of life when you go hunting, while acknowledge the thrill that pumps through your vein as you engage in such a "barbaric act"

im not saying what i did was right. ive already decided to no longer engage in that behavior
>hit on random girl at bus stop
>we talk and text and shit
>one day her bf is at the same bus stop. i had no idea.
>stop texting her, maintain distanced but friendly interactions at bus stop
>keeps texting me, calling me, telling me to pick up. likes all my ig posts.
>thinking to myself: "yeah, but ive already decided to not engage in that behavior anymore, also if the roles were reverse the wahmen would totally be crying harassment"
>eventually she takes the hint

>>14113085
>who hurt you sweety?

>>14115858
Violence is dangerous.
Danger is exciting.
Women like excitement.

I had a friend in prison, he was there for stabbing his mother in the face repeatedly.
He got out for a minute but came right back while I was still there. He said he hooked up with some girl who told him, "he's real about that shit," when she learned of his crime.
He wasn't a "Chad", just a pudgy white boy. But some chicks go for that psycho shit. I dunno.

>>14114708
i was 100% with you until you admitted to seeing a hooker jesus fucking christ

>>14117387
i admitted it was bad advice hahaha

i aint perfect, or anywhere near perfect. all im trying to do is just provide my own shitty take of life as ive come to understand it

i still wouldnt discount the value consensual transaction based sex with escorts
can be useful for people too hung up on the label "virgin"
can be useful to just getting your dick wet if youve had a long dry spell
and can be useful for extreme autistics for talking to wahmen
its like training wheels
you recognize its in no way the same as actually riding a bicycle, but it can be helpful for those still struggling

>>14117174
> autism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7shIPRpuV8

>>14117422
how about valuing yourself highly enough not to share intimacy with a sex worker

there's a higher value in sex and intimacy whether women can fully appreciate it or not

>>14113574
Why is it so hard to believe

So much of life happens at the surface. Like if youre a handsome guy it doesnt matter if you say or think screwed up shit about how women are evil, out to get you, whatever. What you think emanates from within does not exist for most people. The outside is the inside

ok

>>14117926
Kant says that noumena is inaccessible. The outside is the only thing that matters and the /lit/ faggots need to get over their noumena bullshit.

You really don't need to read a book and the more you read the more you'll just confuse yourselves.

Women like to be desired by men, they like to have a fulfilling life just like men, they like having male suitors, they enjoy texting attractive men nudes and fucking them for fun. They also enjoy being mothers, having families, a loving husband who makes them feel safe.

Op wasn't looking for a philosophical text on it and that really wouldn't matter anyway. Sartre was an ugly fuck with charisma brains and influence who was fucking on the regular, don't think he spent all day writing about women.

>>14118015
NOOOOOO
NOOOOOO
NOOOOO
NOOOOOOO
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
YOU NEED TO READ THE RATIONAL MALE YOU FUCKING KEK! HOW DARE YOU SAY YOU CAN UNDERSTAND SOCIAL DYNAMICS BY INTERACTING WITH PEOPLE IN THE REAL WORLD!

>>14112071
it's an essay but Arthur Schopenhauer - On Women

>>14115037
Women are pickier than men.
We've known this for thousands of years and there's an obvious biological reason for it. It doesn't make women bad people necessarily. It's their nature.

>>14115037
Actually, idiot.

There is an explanation for the chart. I'm going to assume that this data is 'valid' since it is from an okcupid blogpost and not a study.

There has been studies on attraction. Women rate men harshly but are less uniform in what thy find attractive, there is a high amount of variability.

I can provide studies if needed.

>>14112100
they could literally anally vore me and i wouldnt mind

>>14115592
kek

>>14112071
Geschleckt Und Character.
Thus Spoke Zarathustra.

>>14112071

>>14114264
You're in luck, pal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jw-I8uo1HU

>>14117029
>being handsome and tall dosen't get you a gf i know
>do you actually want one?
>no lol
stop posting you nigger faggot

>women
>having a psychology
gonna have to check the science fiction and fantasy section for that, op

>>14117097
Imagine thinking you're mentally ill when you're actually just an ugly but NT failed riajuu

>>14112071
stop asking this total sausage fest website for pseudoscience self-help tips and illuminati knowledge of the inner workings of women, and go make a few female friends in the real world. if you see the opposite sex as some kind of unfathomable creature and you are 20+ reading a book won’t save you. RIP

>>14112264
>as the wolves cry for the moon they will never possess
fuckin retard

>>14114244
>>14114264
>>14114295
>>14118652
I'm also concerned with how I can possibly stomach being with a woman, assuming she isn't the golden unicorn that I'd treasure.

>>14118804
>female friends
God, you're pathetic

I wish incels and /pol/ would fuck off from /lit/

>>14118875
I wish larping normalfaggot niggers like you would fuck off from 4chan

>>14118867
RIP lil homie

Is anyone in this thread older than 25? Serious question.

>>14119003
You're glowing

>>14113310
The only things not wrong with those are believing wealth falls like manna and voting leftists into office. Take the commodity fetishism pill MGTOWs.

>>14118867
Cringe

>>14112071
Every fucking day on this website, I see at least a dozen different thot pictures across all different boards that I never saw before. Do you guys unironically lurk Instagram looking for fresh thot pics, just to fuel your hate-boners?

>>14112280
>Why do you think hook up culture revolves around being intoxicated?
what does that mean? is it something you have to do?

>>14112626
>nutting during no nut November
you're doomed to coomer hell

>>14113372
>Success is inherently spiritual. Stay around rich people long enough and you will see
what does that mean

>>14118071
It does make them bad

>>14118890
+
but its about 3 years too late, this site is ruined now and full of sex having normgroids

>>14112071
Oh shit, why are you doing this to me, op?

>>14117002
succubi

>>14115592
sensible chuckle

So does anyone have any books to recommend about this?

>>14120121
The Technological Society

>>14112958
cringe and bluepilled

>>14112958
>And they can't see the male "redpills" because they think "I am a male and I am not like that, so they are wrong". Males on average are more violent. Males on average are thirsty as fuck and the people that enable women to be able to choose as they do in the first place by their thirstiness. But they don't see it. The problem is just women, and all women the same. All the same average being of vice and lust.
Truth. A lot of modern males are simps that will bend over backwards for a woman. They enable thots to fuck around in their 20s, because these same men will be waiting for them when they turn 35. Sad!

>>14112958
>And they can't see the male "redpills"
chad
beta orbiter
soiboy
manlet

Should women hold jobs outside of home full time?

>>14112071
>>14112182
This book is written by a neuroscientist and describes the behavior women are more likely to be prone to have. This book is what you're looking for OP.

The author happens to be female herself, despite this her conclusions are essentially similar to the redpill. This is the real deal, not some sugarcoated selfhelp garbage.

>>14120304
fuck meant to reply to this >>14113608

>>14120266
only female jobs like teaching kids, nursing, cooking, etc. and make it so they interact with males outside of their husband and family as little as possible
most fornication happens because females interact with a large variety of males in their everyday lives. this should not be allowed. they should be in all-female knitting circles

Lel.

>>14119541
Are men worse than women for commiting way more violent crime?

the girl on the left is so high up on the tips of her toes. this photo was taken at the perfect moment to capture her at the apex

>>14118071
>It's their nature.
Yes. A true shame women lack the cognition to behave beyond their biological algorithsm. Truly little more than common animals.

>>14112071
Porn is pretty popular, so my question is why is it still shamed? I want to encourage everyone to make more amateur pornography. I want these young girls to post their nudes online so I can coom to them. I want to see them recording themselves having sex with good cameras and from good angles. I want to be able to walk around town and see more and more of this shit. I demand every woman wear these hot ass clothes outdoors at all times, only wearing tight ass leggings in the winter when it's cold. We're already past the point of no return, so let's keep going. I want to keep on cooming. I want to walk by a girl in the street, and then be able to look her up and see nudes, her pussy juices flowing, etc. I want to live in the coomer paradise.

>>14119281
>plays Toreador
>cringes on anons
Think about your sins.

Have sex

>>14120806
Bend over.

>>14120484
>I want to walk by a girl in the street, and then be able to look her up and see nudes, her pussy juices flowing, etc.

With the advent of deepfakes this may just be possible in the near-future.

>>14120484
this is so true. i spoke to a number of girls in town recently and none of them spontaneously pulled out their asses and asked for spunk. what the fuck kind of psychology is this any way?

>>14120437
Are u bad for not wanting to fuck some fat ugly ho? Nah, who can be blamed for who they're sexually attracted to?
>>14115037
Anecdotally I (gaylord) have similar proclivities towards men as women do: I find only 1/10 or so good looking in any meaningful way. Find women more "okay" looking though.

>>14115211
Children are based. Marriage is cringe.

>>14112071
Not a book, but listen to Patrice O'neal on youtube. 99% of what he says is pretty true, just take the other 1% with a grin of salt because he was rich and dealt with a lot of black women. I don't know what you're into

>>14115211