/lit/ - Literature

>>14118941
First for the glaring disappointment that was Uncrowned

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>>14117605
I love to read weird random stuff anon. The truly shite stuff I drop in two pages or never start reading in the first place.

>>14119227
>The truly shite stuff I drop in two pages
You aren't allowed to have an opinion like that if that's all you read of it.

>>14119238
There's millions of books that are easily pirateable. I can afford to be picky in initial selection/first couple of pages and run back to the book grovelling if I can't find anything else that seems as good.

There are a lot of books that are really good at the beginning and continue all the way through. Then there are the other books. The book that took the longest time to get good (in my opinion) was A Canticle for Leibowitz. So I dropped it and picked it up many times before I finished it.

>/tv/ shitting themselves over the incredulity His Dark Materials TV adaptation

>>14119471
Can your Daemon settle as a Beluga Whale?

Anyone going to Philcon this weekend? It's hosted by the Philadelphia Science Fiction Society (or something of the sort). I went last year and it's alright though this guy called Darrell Schweitzer tried to shill me into buying his own books when all I wanted was used copies of stuff by Zelanzy or Harlan Ellison.

>>14119310
Canticle is absolutely based. One of my favorite books. Science and religion yes please thank you

>>14119701
> Science and religion yes please thank you
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6059668-prophets

>>14119701
>Mrs Grales/Rachel
The book definitely got me.

Good news /sffg/, I've decided to start my novel over entirely from scratch. You're going to have to put up with me for that much longer

>>14119594
Maybe if you're a marine biologist. They're based on your personality right? Your highschool bully gets a guard dog to help him maul people in the prison yard, the mailman gets a pigeon because he shits on your car, etc.

fuck, I'm remembering how much shit was dropped completely in favor gay angels and r/atheism ex-nuns

>>14119638
>though this guy called Darrell Schweitzer tried to shill me into buying his own books
You should have bought Mask of the Sorcerer. I pimped that book to this general a couple of months ago and other anons have read and enjoyed it. Can't speak for any of his other books though, but MotS is great.

>>14119594
There was a guy whose daemon settled as some type of fish, which meant he had to live out at sea which was just the way he liked it.

>>14119774
Does that mean second draft or writing something entirely different?

>>14119780
Thanks, I'll keep an eye out for him and this book.

>>14119806
a little of both. Half of it's going to be scrapped and replaced with entirely new scenes, the other half is going to be so heavily edited almost nothing remains. Hopefully I can seriously shorten it, because there's no way in shit this should be 40k words long

>>14119780
Stop using "shill" to mean that rather than it's standard usage.

>>14119638
>I pimped that book to this general a couple of months ago
True

>other anons have read and enjoyed it.
Not really true.

>>14119846
its

>>14119846

>>14119780
>>>/v/

>>14119896
I don't understand why you'd post an image of him when I posted against him.

>>14118960
>There’s a Neil Gaiman quote that I find more and more true as I continue to write: “When people tell me that something in a book is wrong or doesn’t work for them, they’re almost always right. When they tell me exactly what’s wrong and how to fix it, they’re almost always wrong.”
Nice "Get Out of Criticism Free" card.

>>14119973
General: problems that a lot of people have
Specific: problems particular to that individual

Isn't Gaiman that guy that hasn't written a single good book, yet still is treated as the top of his field ?

>>14119846
Stick to Harry Potter, retard.

>tfw reading a book that reads like it was written by Paul Verhoeven and David Cronenberg after they became right-wing Trumpchads
Absolutely BASED

>>14120012
That depends on what you by mean by "good".
Do they sell well? Yes.
Do they become adapted and make him tons of money? Yes.
Are they critically well-received? Yes.

>>14120023
So it's identity politics?

>>14120014
I haven't and wouldn't read Harry Potter.

>>14119946
I'm just bored and fucking around. And really, it's a funny reaction image. Look at his face and compare it to the comments you made.

We're both bored - it's cool.

/sffg/, I'm debating a character to add. He lives in the basement and is a companion of a yandere alpha-bitch.

>depraved igor-like kid who worships her and gets murdered a quarter of the way through the story for the sake of drama, to avoid cluttering the narrative and to make room for another supplicant who's introduced later
>quiet, pissy audiophile. He gets dragged into her bullshit more often than not but he doesn't like her. He also gets a murder attempt, but he survives, and ends up becoming roommates with the aforementioned other supplicant

>>14119238
You can tell how good a book will be by the first chapter. Or even the just the first page.

>>14119995
If I had a legion of fans who licked my asshole every time I typed any word, I would likely imagine that my works do not err, too.

What the actual fuck did I just read

Sword & Sorcery...

Goodreads has Member Compatibility and Book Compatibility Test. See image for more details.
It's possible to create a secret group. "This group is secret. New members must be approved by the group moderators. The group will not appear in search results or in the profiles of its members. Only members can see the group information, polls, and discussion board. Only Moderators can invite new members."
The group's purpose would be to share Goodreads profiles to see compatibility for recommendations without having to post accounts in the thread. There doesn't seem to be a "books most popular with this group / best average rating for group" which is disappointing. Probably isn't similar for all friends either. Another use would be for polling, as it would require more time and effort for someone to rig any particular poll, especially if the votes were set not to be anonymous. The bookshelf could possibly serve as /sffg/ recommendations. Not sure what else purpose a group could serve.
An alternative would be a publicly editable pastelink listing Goodreads accounts.
Anyway, tell me your thoughts.
First draft of this post:
https://pastebin.com/Ty2z4Jt0

Nevermind /sffg/, nevermind. My plan just fucking fell through.

Just like that, my writing binge ends, and I feel all the more pathetic

>>14120651
Don't tease me like this.

>>14120714
Well, ok. I added the invite link to the first draft. I guess I may as well.

>>14120745
I guess it still isn't as good as last.fm's taste detector though because people don't read as many books as they listen to music

>>14120698
That's what tends to happen with a rebound.

>>14120405
Not a picture for ants this time.

>>14120757
I rebounded from the rebound. 644 words.

>>14118960
Which book was the one with outtakes at the end? That one was the worst.

I've finished importing some, so here's the account.
https://www.goodreads.com/somegenericusername

The monthly reading for November is Let the Right One In!

Great choice really. I read the book like 5-6 years ago and found it really immersive and captivating. I might reread it to refresh my memories. It also fit our tradition of reading a book that would fit October perfectly in November.

>>14120651
Invite for the group I just made described here.
>>14121137 me

https://www.goodreads.com/group/invite/1029811?invite_token=OTA2NTIwMTAtZDZmZC00NzM2LTgwMDQtOGFhNTEzNmMyODBj&utm_medium=email&utm_source=copypastegroup

The above doesn't require confirmation on my part, so if you open that link while logged into a Goodreads account it'll add you to the group. Says it'll be valid for 30 days. After that, I guess would have to have another provided, though if I make everyone a moderator, then anyone could do so.

I'm going to sleep now. I'll probably add it to the OP of the next couple threads to see how it goes, barring substantial resistance to the idea.

>>14121107
>book with outtakes
Do what now?

>>14121107
all of them have bloopers and out takes at the end.

Why does Lindon insist on killing nobody unless they're quite nice and have loving caring families.

>>14121911
>books with bloopers
Do what now?

>>14121968
Its quirky teehee

>>14121961
Cuz western author pussy

Are there any books that are similar to LotGH?

If I could only read three fantasy books, what would you guys recommend?

>>14121983
How does this even work? Bloopers? In a fucking book? That is some postmodern hipster bullshit.

>>14122120

Legend of the Galactic Heroes was based on a novel series

>>14120405
Book five of twelve. Keep reading, faggot.

>>14122221
its like small snippets of alternate events in the book. like for example the hero slips from a ledge and snaps his neck before his journey even begins. that sort of stuff.

>>14122325
Boy that sure sounds dumb.

>>14122117
>the state of reading comprehension on the fucking reading board
He is saying that lindon only kills people that have a family who love them.

>>14122387
Only western authors hate the traditional family and try to destroy it at every turn.

>>14122221
>surprised when an author whose primary fanbase is Reddit has LOLSORANDUMXD additions at the end
There are some that even reference memes from the sub like the Sword Sage theories. It's all cancer.

How the fuck am I supposed to keep a decent bibliotik ratio when nobody downloads what I seed, and even when they do, they're all tiny fucking book files that wouldn't make up for it anyway? i hate keeping up with private trackers

>>14122221
I wouldn't mind if this was posted on an author's website. Might be interesting to see what ideas they had before settling.

>>14122745
>ratio
Private trackers are retarded for exactly that reason.

>>14121225
is the 2008 film based on this? it's kino as fuck

So. I've been trying to come up with good names for my creatures and characters. But the fact is that I realize something; I just can't come up with good names. Or at least names that haven't been used yet.
I was thinking about using the ''Hussie'' technique, that is to take words from foreign languages, mix them, and create a whole new name with them. But I'm not sure, I'm trying to make it sound exotic.
Plus it's a book about creatures living in a world without any humans à la Dark Crystal, coming with non-human sounding names is hard as shit.

Uncrowned bloopers (for example)

>>14122840

>>14122776
Aye yet there is no option but to abide by them if we want to use the resources.

>>14122745
just download a shitton of popular torrents and seed those

>>14122404
>the traditional family
Geez pol, does your brain ever turn off.

Can Science Fiction be Art?

>>14122806
The 2008 film was based on another, much older film(recommend you watch that too), which was based on that book.
I read the book, because they were hyping up the 2008 release. When I watched the movie I watched the original version (much better).
>tfw no vampire gf

>>14122823
Imagine your dick deep in that green snatch

>>14122862
The most 7 downloaded torrents are only >3000 grabs.
>download 2MB file
>20 people download it
>whopping 40MB upload
Even that is no progress.

>>14122900
Then donate.
I'm glad my tracker is a curry tracker.

>>14122895
She belongs to the Skekses. Get your hands off her.

>>14122910
I'm sure I could give her many cummies.

>>14122918
MINE

>>14122867
Silly me, of course, I forgot we reproduce by popping estrogen pills and watching internet videos!

>>14122900
convert the books you have into different formats and upload them all separately

>>14122949
We reproduce by putting penises into vaginas, simple biology.
Take your shit to pol, faggot.

>>14122823
dont go the hussie route, or at least, be more subtle about it. using names with recognizable origins like "equius" will look trashy. it worked for hussie because he courted ironic trashiness, it won't work for others as his fan-made post credits contents proved

Just finished all 4 HYPErion books, currently on x4 armageddon. What series should I get into after this book?
Malazan Book of the Fallen?
The Book of the New Sun?

>>14122840
>>14122845
Jesus Christ

sffg, I want to show my setting is dangerous but I don't want to kill off any of my main characters. Should I introduce characters just to kill them off, or is it enough to show multiple characters with noticable permanent injuries?

>>14123561
give one of your mains a permanent injury

>using private tracker with ratio rather than IRC that probably has more and doesn't have any ratio

Is Red Rising worth reading or is it just Hunger Games on Mars?

>>14123611
Bibliotik's library is much more extensive than #bookz

>>14123722
I didn't mean #bookz.

>>14123735
If there is a deeper lit-hole than #bookz, then by all means, do share.

>>14123761
I already have, several times.

>>14123561
Dangerous for whom?
Have tons of mentioned characters die for whatever reason in passing.
Have villages ransacked and the people raped and slaughtered.
Have it be dangerous for everyone except the main characters.
For then you can tease danger. They get into situations that can't possibly resolve, but somehow do so unscathed.
If you have healing magic or some other kind of instant healing, can entirely abuse that.
It doesn't have be physical harm either.

>>14123678
It's worth reading. It may seem like it starts out as Hunger Games but that turns out to be only a small part of the series.

>>14120651
Currently 4 members in the group.
At the moment with what I have uploaded:
Your tastes are 75% similar for the books you both rated.
Your compatibility with is 60%

Your tastes are 58% similar for the books you both rated
Your compatibility with is 30%

and then the 3rd has their profile set to private.

It's possible to export your data and then import it into a new account.
Probably would be too much of a hassle to keep 2 updated, but could be fine for a 1 off.
If ISBNs are downloaded in Calibre, can rather easily import them with that.

bumping this question. >>14120288

both is an acceptable answer. I can make room for both of them

>>14123873
Invite link doesn't work.

>>14124078
Oh, I assumed it would be ongoing, but maybe it's only for one person at a time. That'd be annoying. May have to switch it to private at first to get people in.

Here:
https://www.goodreads.com/group/invite/1029811?invite_token=ZTc0YmZhY2UtOGYyZS00NWE2LTkxOTYtOTExNzQxMDYxMjdk&utm_medium=email&utm_source=copypastegroup

>>14124095
Can also send me a friend request and I can invite from that:

https://www.goodreads.com/somegenericusername

>>14123783
Pls anon gib me the books

>>14118941
Since I don't want overly spam the thread with it, here are 10 more invites. Hopefully works like this anyway.

https://pastebin.com/0X11JxkZ

>>14124166
how do we use these?

>>14124253
Should be just by opening the link if signed into a goodreads account, but doesn't seem to be quite working.

>>14124269
Nope

>>14124272
It's possible it may be because I currently have the group set to 18+ and you don't have a birthday set.

I've switched it to private for right now.
https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffg

Click "join this group" to join.
Must have birthday set it to be 18+ to join.

>>14124327
hope this group will have monthly book discussions that last more than one day

>>14124437
That's entirely up to those who use it.
I've already stated my personal purpose for it.
It's intended to be a supplement rather than replacement.

>>14124437
Why not just this then?
https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1865-scifi-and-fantasy-book-club

>>14124499
yeah i'm in other groups already. idk i'll just sit back and see if anyone does more with it.

>>14122823
Add 'Onius', 'Ainous', or 'Anous' to the name and it becomes magical

>>14122745
You upload shit from libgen or the overdrive library you had to have when you got in or the overdrive library that are available in the forums to sign up to or the libraries you have at your university.

>>14122189
The Book of the New Sun
The Lord of the Rings
and, uh, Lord of Light. Maybe something else for that one

At this rate, I think it would be easier to find some program to spoof upload ratios than to jump through all these hoops finding new books to upload.

>>14124916
There isn't a requests section?

>>14124916
Get Kindle Unlimited and get random free self-published books, strip their DRM, and then upload them.

>>14124928
All I have access to is the usual b-ok/lib gen/mobilism, and while mobilism may have some things not on bibliotik, bibliotik tends to supersede in availability.
>>14124949
If I was going to pay anything, I'd just donate directly to get through this whole mess.

>>14124980
If you haven't used the free trial, it has a 30 day free trial.

What are you guys reading?
Is the Amazon market over saturated? I don't see anyone shilling the "next new hot thing".

>>14125402
There’s not a lot that’s good out right now. We’re in the lull right before the holiday releases.

fuck /sffg/, winter hit me like a brick. I'm so goddamn depressed I can't even find it n my heart to go out and do something

Finished the black company books of the north (minus port of shadows). Really good, had me hooked the whole time. The thing that bugs me is how the lady is treated as evil, even by croaker. She did some nasty stuff and lots of people died but as far as I understand her only goal was to rule. She doesn't seem like a terrible dictator type like the dominator. I got the impression that most people's lives would go on as normal if she ruled the north. Other than that goblin and one-eye were hilarious. I laughed out loud at a part when one-eye was put on a torture rack and he and goblin started bantering. Are the two other series good or should I just stop here

>>14125623
Winter doesn't start until Dec 21st.
Fall started Sep 23rd.
Seasonal Affective Disorder

Importing sure is a mess. This partial amount is enough for now. Unknown just how much that spammed others. Probably will about it more later.

>>14123561
Just say it's dangerous at every occasion, but then nothing dangerous happens. Have the characters say it all the time.

>>14123561
Make 1 chapter throwaway povs where the pov and everyone they care about die horribly.

>open fantasy novel
>it has a map

>>14120288
they both such god-awful

>>14126246
Congrats on posting the same text with the same image.

I've been thinking

>>14126280
cumbrain

>>14126286
What a non-sequitur.

I've been feeling

Thread's undead lol

>>14123561
Kill main characters

>>14123390
>reading the endymion books
I’m so sorry

>>14122840
Call me Reddit but I don't see where the big problem with this lies.
It's 3-4 pages of optional stuff that can be ignored very easily. And little blue pulling out a knife to shaft some mf is cute and funny.

>>14126445
Reddit

>>14126265
I'm writing cartoonish trash and I've accepted it. At the very least when I do it, it's grammatically correct

>>14123820
I've thought this over, and I think I can get away with expressing the danger through compound effort

>1: kill off minor characters like the two I mentioned
>2: show multiple characters living in the setting who have scars or more severe long-term injuries as a result
>3: Actually show the characters getting injured from scene to scene

How do you guys begin to write a fantasy novel?

How much of the novel do you plot before you begin writing?

How much worldbuilding do you do?

>>14126664
First: Work on your characters
Second: Work on the plot
Third: Work on the world-building (the least important aspect of writing a story)

>>14126699
and yet LOTR is basically the opposite of that.

>>14123390
>The Book of the New Sun
There are people who have not book of the very tall and handsome executioner. Fucking how

>>14126699
this is nonsense

>>14126737
How so, retard? You really think world-building is more important than the fucking characters and story? lol

>>14126717
No it isn't. Tolkien definitely became obsessed with world-building after he finished LOTR, but LOTR is balanced between all three. World-building is still the least important aspect. If your characters are shit and the story is shit then it doesn't matter how much "cool" stuff you've put into your world; it's gonna be shit.

>>14126732
I don't know if it's because I'm just a brainlet but I seriously did not get BotNS. I remember the prose being super iffy and a lot of things happening to the character but not him actually doing anything and he just sort of drifts from one place to the other.

>>14126664
Don't make it boring eurocentric trash and you'll be more creative than 99% of authors

Sheesh, I went from Assassin's Apprentice to Red Rising. I need to read something that isn't such torture porn. This shit is getting depressing, I need to read something happier.

>>14126753
So China then?

>>14126753
>eurocentric
FOY

>>14125626
>sympathizing with evil because she a cute
You're a lost cause. Some girl is gonna wrap you around her finger and make you her puppet.

>>14125649
Climate change is a bitch. Winters last months after they are supposed to end, why can't they start a month before?

>>14118941
Thread slave.
If you make a current thread theme and add some questions, maybe ask what you recently read. I'm sure if that is done we will be able to get some new readers and users to join us.
It's the threadly question that made me click the general originally.

>>14127080
God I hope its Soulcatcher.

>>14127283
She's not evil

>>14120012

I think I'm going to have non-consensual sex with Neil Gayman.

Yes, in fact right this moment I have resolved to rape this man. All of my faculties and resources are now going to be put into achieving this end. The way this man controls the contortions of his face elicits a deep, ape-ish urge within me to do extremely violent and sexual damage to him.

If you think about it, how is Neil Gayman different from a woman? They are equally timid. Equally frivolous. Equally acquiescent. Equally narcissistic. Equally upset by a combination of words or ideas that do not conform to the status-quo. And no doubt Mr. Gayman has sucked a penis too--maybe just a silicon one (for now), but nevertheless he has tried it; has been struck with the same sort of 'oh-i'm-so-so-naughty' inclination that seizes all women at some point in their life and with the frenzied tom-tom of feminine sexuality blaring in their head which is only ever empty and only ever filled when the image or implication of a Penis can be grasped in external reality, and just like such a woman has Neil Gayman greedily taken hold of the dildo that he secretly keeps in his top drawer (why disguise it further? why, wouldn't he be happy if someone were to discover his little perversion? oh think of how oh so so naughty that would be!) and after taking the full 7.5" of rubber down his throat he is filled with such a thrill such that no expression of his "masculine" sexuality has ever come close to attaining.

Hmm, indeed, the lines between Woman and Neil Gayman continue to blur, and my dick continues to rise. Raping him could be ethically and epistemologically justified, both through Utilitarian ethics and Platonic Teleology, but I will not go into that here. Suffice to say that raping Neil Gayman would be a net benefit for the world as such, as material entity and conceptual ideal. It would be a rape that would satisfy so many hearts, so many minds, and most importantly my own penis.

I am decided: Neil Gayman will be raped within the month. I will devote myself to finding out his residency, his routines, and I will plot and plan my moment of violation meticulously. This is a very real goal I have set, and I shall know neither rest nor mortal satisfaction until it has been attained.

>>14127297
9/10

>>14126717
>and yet LOTR is basically the opposite of that.

Opposite or not, it's one of the worst reads in the fantasy genre. It's place in history is undoubtedly there, but the book is pretty bad by modern standards. So many song breaks, so much 'nothing' happening, so many needlessly wordy descriptions of every little thing. It's an absolute slog to get through.

>>14126664
>How do you guys begin to write a fantasy novel?
Drop a character in a situation and find a way to get them out of it, then work backwards to get them to that point.
>How much of the novel do you plot before you begin writing?
Maybe the immediate threat and situation happening, and why it's happening, but that's about it.
>How much worldbuilding do you do?
Pre-writing? Next to none. During writing? A metric fuckton. After writing? Next to none.

Name 1(1) better SO writer

When will moot II assign a janni to lit to clean up the philosofags and christcuck that are shitting up the board with off topic shit. The fucking general is on page 6.

Hey guys, usually I'm more of a lurker but I'm 200+ pages into my fantasy novel and I've got some questions as far as worldbuilding that you're as apt to answer truthfully as anyone--

1. Does it upset you when fantasy lands have parallels with ones from real life? Think Valyria from ASoIaF and Rome. If you're fine with it, how important do you find it that the parallel sticks? A character from a region based on Wales having a German name, for example.

2. Is there a limit to how many characters you'll care about in a 'party'? Mine's gotten rather big - it's up to 7 characters as of the beginning of Act 3.

3. Nonsense words. The kind, for example, you'd find in the names of barbarian clans - phonetic gibberish with hard sounds and lots of vaguely Slavic leanings - Trogun-Voll, for example, as a barbarian race's name. What do you think is the best way to come up with these linguistically isolated words?

>>14127859
Why don't you start an critique thread you asshat?

>>14127895
Why would I start a whole ass critique thread for three questions about a novel I'm not gonna post any excerpts of? Thanks for the answer tho.

I just started The Malazan Book of the Fallen. Am I missing something? This almost reads like a parody of fantasy novels. Does it get better or is this just gonna continue being what it is? Even The Black Company was better than this.

>>14128079
>Am I missing something?
Yeah, you must have missed my post telling you not to waste your time.

>>14128079
Yeah, you missed anon's post telling you not to waste your time.

>>14128097
>>14128263
Well I guess I'll finish the first book and then stop.

>>14127306
>giving 9/10 to a frequently posted copypasta
No.

>>14120405
pick up shadow and read it all again

>>14128079
>This almost reads like a parody of fantasy novels.
Which is why it is so great, it is a genuine exploration of fantasy and not just some generic repetition of tropes.

>Does it get better or is this just gonna continue being what it is?
2 and 3 are the best in the series and probably the best fantasy books ever written. (Pointing this out gets /sffg/ really worked up on occasion though)

Thoughts on Michael Moorcock's Elric of Melnibone series? Thinking about getting into it, but keep seeing weird shit about what order read them and all that. I'll probably just go in release order, hard to go wrong with that.

>>14128367
Retard

>>14128449
Great argument.

>>14128453
Spastic?

>>14128471
Do you have anything to say? Except name-calling?

>>14127080
Explain how the Lady is evil
>>14127290
Soulcatcher is way more evil than Lady.

>>14127080
>Some girl is gonna wrap you around her finger and make you her puppet.
Sounds incredibly based, sadly I am too ugly for that.

Also, my memories of the book are faint but she most definitely did nothing wrong.

>>14128484
Window Licker.

>>14128367
>Which is why it is so great, it is a genuine exploration of fantasy and not just some generic repetition of tropes.
I mean the opposite. It reads like an absolutely comically generic fantasy novel, like it is making fun of it.

Been getting into Malazan lads, and this shit's pretty good man

>>14127859
Stop writing "game lit". If you are writing game lit, don't do any of that party nonsense. And if you do write a game lit with party nonsense, for heaven's sake don't have them bantering and joking while fighting for their life.

>>14128621
Maybe because people copied it and Black Company? And now it seems generic?

>>14128408
It's a good series. I felt it had a unique setting and tone. Things go quickly, so there's never a dull moment. It does require a bit of an acquired taste, but you get that fast. I only read the main six entries. It probably doesn't matter how you read those additional Elric stories once you've completed the main saga.

>>14128666
I read a decent amount of new fantasy and not much old and black company still seems pretty distinct.

>>14128666
No, it just feels poorly written. The characters seem one dimensions & spastic. The events seem to be basically trying to be a parody of pulp fantasy.

>>14128655
It is NOT game lit. I didn't even know that was a genre until just now, but I was just using the language interchangeably for 'cast'.

And, no. A few characters are capable in combat and the rest spend most of the action sequences running for their lives.

>>14127435
Never heard of this before

>>14128788
>never read the book but giving an opinion
okay

>>14128869
Also, don't have a bunch of povs. Two is pushing it for me. I see authors these days want to have 6 povs and a bunch of other unsavory things.

>>14128531
This anon is fake news.

>read malazon
>700th chapter is also a soldier brooding while walking down a lonesome road

>>14128919
I have read the first one now, and it's bad.

>>14128936
Lady acts like a stone cold bitch but really has a decent-ish heart. Soulcatcher is a stone cold bitch.

>>14128925
What's your perspective on 3rd person PoV counts? Currently we're at ..

1 character in the prologue whose PoV is returned to later on.
2 main protagonists who make up the primary PoVs.
Villain PoV.

And, of course, a kind of omniscient global PoV that occasionally chimes in on events the main characters aren't direct witnesses to.

>>14129120
Did you not read the stake out bit?

Besides Guy Gavriel Kay and China Meiville, who are some good fantasy authors who mostly do standalone novels rather than trilogies or more-ogies? There are plenty of multi-book series I love, but I increasingly don't have time for that shit.

>>14118941
which fantasy/sci fi series has good plot twists?

>>14128946
The books have at most 30 chapters each, so maximum 300 chapters.

>>14129413
>the 300th chapter is also about a brooding soldier walking a lonesome road

>>14129527
Probably not, very rarely characters travel alone and I said maximum 300.

I grant you that the 200th chapter probably involves a group of soldiers doing more or less banal things, like drinking, gambling or slaughtering (or getting slaughtered).

>>14129334
If you mean when soulcatcher claimed that the lady murdered her twin that was almost certainly a lie.

>>14129162
I can't really give a take on 1st or 3rd person POV. It works or fails depending on the story you have to tell.
An all seeing God recounting what happened might work for some places, but an event seen directly from the protagonist's eyes might have more impact.

I don't sperg over the perspective, I sperg over the number of protagonists, and stupid shit people put in to seem "quirky" or as a "wink" to those in the know. Which is why I hate the "banter / jokes while you fight for your life in a party" cliche.

Also stay away from pop culture references, no quirky behaviors(unless they are possessed by a demon and have to be purged with the heat of fire), no modern phrases / ways of speech if your shit is happening in an older time. Don't keep it squeaky clean, let someone or two get raped, but don't go over board.

>>14129376
>Guy Gavriel Kay
>fantasy authors
Taking history and adding a very sparse selection of supernatural elements does not a fantasy author make.

>>14129394
That would be spoiling the book....

>>14129925
no it wouldnt. you dont have to give me plot details. Besides im always expecting a twist in most novels any way

>>14129567
No it's not.

Is Black Company overhyped? Also, is there any /sffg/ book that have magic as this weird mystical shit rather the usual lightning-out-of-your-nipples stuff?

How many years do I need to study philosophy until Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch becomes not boring?

>>14130047
>Is Black Company overhyped
No

>>14127859
I've never cobbled together a connection between Valyria and ancient Rome. Maybe you just have a boring brain>>14128408
worth a read

>>14129964
I don't think there is any factual evidence for either argument. Soulcatcher said she did, but there was no mention of twins among the 4 sisters either and the lady was supposedly the youngest of the 4 and was left out of a party that the older 3 went to (so not minutes younger).
>>14130047
Probably overhyped for the wrong reasons. I see it called grimdark and edgy and I went in never having read things by abercrombie etc. It might have been edgy in the 80s but I found it pretty tame. Some rape and a few shits and bitches. It doesn't hold your hand. There are numerous descriptions of people and places that may be put into perspective later or not really mentioned again. The writing style took me a little time to get into. Sentences are usually short and choppy and dialogue is really casual like you would expect from soldiers just shooting the shit. Once you get into the rhythm it's nice.

The book overall puts very little into fights and battles and traveling. One paragraph they may be weeks away from a destination and the next they're in the city. Not much about slashing swords and dodging. Magic is very vague with finger movements and hopping around (reminds me of witch doctors). It's very much driven by character interactions and unraveling the goals and allegiances of others. I think a lot of people go in expecting this super gritty murder rape mercenary gang and get turned off because they think the characters are acting like children instead. It's just a solid fantasy story.

>>14130218
Not even that anon but it’s clearly Ancient Rome. Not that there’s anything wrong with doing that. I don’t have a problem with copying real world shit as long as you can make it interesting

>>14130269
Yeah it certainly doesn't have the sarcasm and darkness of the Blades or Broken Empire worlds. I guess it's just dark fantasy because it doesn't follow noble warriors and mages or whatever
Only thing I disliked was how the stakes kept getting higher and higher like it's Dragonball or something

>>14130324
But Dragonball ridiculous stakes is made it so fun.

8ch dying again after rebranding to 8kun has led to the increased rate of thread creation that has outpaced the post rate of this thread.

>>14131146
Why did it die again? Had it not been up for what, a week or three under the new name?

>>14125626
I'm also making my way through The Black Company atm and decided to read the silver spike before reading the other books of the south, and boy let me tell the last third of that book may be my favorite thing in the entire series so far. I'm 3/4ths through shadow games rn and it's just as entertaining as the other 4 books, plus seeing Croaker being an angry old bastard is worth it alone.

>>14131279
Says post is spam, so here's a pastebin with links.
https://pastebin.com/9F6wUh2m

>>14120023
What book?

>>14123678
No it’s worse than hunger games and the latest book has trannies

>>14127435
Pandora’s star and the sequel (name I can’t remember) were pretty good. Didn’t know he was putting out new stuff. I still need to read the void trilogy

>>14128912

its bad, please don't fall for the bait

>welcome to the future
>there's two types of humman, one of them switches genders every six months
>whats this, an alien ship? Not like the normal alien ship. the one that gives everyone magic super cells in exchange for iron and shit
>OH BY THE WAY WE ALL HAVE REALLY LONG AND BORING BACKSTORIES
>UHHHH HEY GUYS, THE ALIENS GIVING PEOPLE MAGIC SUPER CELLS ARE EVIL
>basically, they want to turn humans into blobs and keep their brains alive until the end of time and they've been doing this for thousands and thousands of years, just infinitely conquering species and shit
>oh no the aliens know you know, now they're invading earth and capturing everyone

MEANWHILE, 40,000 YEARS INTO THE FUTURE( i am not joking)

>yeah we lost that battle
>and basically humanity just flies to planets, terraforms them with space magic, grows up an army of super soldiers and shit and sends them to fight those aliens
>wow it turns out we always lose also these humans are the last non blobbed ones, every other planet is gone
>fuck you lol
>but dont worry, i have a plan

>>14131451
Your opinion is invalid because you're biased.

>>14127435
Revelation Space is great space opera, with its extensive background stories.
Xeelee Sequence has its moments once you're able to ignore the author's legitimately autistic self-insert MC and hap-hazard what-the-actual-fuck overall ending.
Spinner-of-Rope is my waifu!

>>14127435
Yoshiki Tanaka

>>14131460

shut the fuck up Peter. You do realize you're going to get unpersoned once people realize the fascist por

>>14131316
I don't exactly understand it--server issues, seems like--but thank you for the effort.

>>14131489
It seems you were unable to complete your post.
What a shame.

>>14126412
>>reading the endymion books
>I’m so sorry
I don't regret it. Was nice to get some closure. Was definitely a bit of a slog though.

>>14131378

>>14131416
The Void Trilogy is great. I found it a lot better than the first two books, though that may be because the trilogy was my introduction to the Commonwealth universe.

>>14131534
It was a slog, and then some of the coolest moments from The Fall of Hyperion get retconned or handwaved away. For example, when Het Masteen reveals that his mission was to pilot the Tree of Pain, that was a super awesome moment for me, and I couldn’t wait to find out what that entailed. Then Rise happens and it’s just like “hahahaha jk”.
Endymion still had great parts, though. I really liked how the high-speed space flights killed the passengers every time.

>>14131794
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/48488450-tomorrow-s-people
> 0 ratings · 0 reviews
>Collin added it Oct 24, 2019
Hey there Collin

>>14131808
Rightoid fag btfo

>>14120023
>>14131794
Are you the author trying to shill his book in a really faggy way or a fag trying to reverse-shill a random book by saying dumb shit? Which is worse?

>>14131822
There's such thing as the reverse. All attention and exposure is a positive.

An attempt was made.

So I shouldn't read Uncrowned until the next book comes out?

>>14132243
that's what I'm doing with a full reread. I've tried to stay away from discussion but it seems like people felt it was unfinished or it ended on some annoying cliff hanger so waiting might be best.

>oh a. bettik is an alien
>also btw you can teleport
>oh and the shrike can time travel

This is like terrible fan-fiction, jesus christ.
The series had so much potential

>>14131808
>>14131819
>>14131822
>>14132241
>NOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T READ RIGHT-WING LITERATURE! ONLY THE MOST PROGRESSIVE BOOKS CAN BE DISCUSSED HERE!

>>14132243
Only the author and his paid shills post about this SJW garbage here.

>>14129891
>I decide who's a fantasy author and who isn't!
Jesus Christ.

>>14128946
Malazan is shit.

>>14132256
Anon, I told you not to read that shit. The only drop in quality that's worse than this ever is Rothfuss's Kingkiller series. Even animu don't go to shit as hard as Endymion goes to shit. Sadly, my favourite character Federico de Soya is stuck in the shit part of the Hyperion Cantos.

>>14132262
Huh? It's stupid retards like you that are to blame for words not meaning anything anymore. Or you have some hot dumbfuck opinion no one here that's read Cradle so far has shared, it's far from perfect but that's not one of the things I'd complain about.

>>14132326
Fuck off, shill lol

>>14132334
Kys retard.

>>14132262
Have a (You) for this low quality bait

Ah yes, the mutual hate reciprocal jerkoff.

>>14132341
>>14132342
See
>>14132334

>>14131801
>I really liked how the high-speed space flights killed the passengers every time.
>landing the craft with no survivors

>>14132326
>>14132342
He's the anti self published anon aka the conan fag aka the book designer that leaked his conan template before the book was released. He's mad self publishing is gaining such traction. It would mean that his publishing house might start laying off artists.

>>14132501
you are a large person.

>>14132530
This guy sounds based as fuck.

>>14132422
Tell the leftshits shilling their hot garbage books to leave and make this general great again.

Apparently let the right one in was written in another language, was the translation to English good?

>>14132598
it's pretty easy to filter shitty books by looking at a picture of the author

>>14132761
No. And the book isn't good either. Typical try-hard, edgy yuro trash.

>>14132773
Only if the author is a woman. Then you know automatically to avoid those books.

>>14132243
Preferably. Forget Cradle exists for the time being.

>>14132832
no, it works for men too

you can generally look at an author's picture and figure them out pretty fast

sanderson, rothfuss, mieville - you can read their books just by reading their faces

>>14132829
Yes, because obviously America writes the best books in the world right? Muscle cars, guns, hamburgers, and extra flat prepubescent looking women.

>>14133087
>I read books by reading the authors
Jesus fuck you non readers sell yourselves out regularly.

>>14133094
>tips koran

>>14133130
It a qu, no ko. I'm not from Klapistan or yourrope.

>>14133136
No one cares.

Is today a holiday or something? Too early for this much blatant shitposting.

>>14133241
You obviously do, thanks for the (you).

Why is it so pleasing to read when an alpha male takes an obviously feminine male, places them in a dress, then uses them like a bitch?
They don't even fight it, it's like they know their place.

>>14133455
source? asking for a friend

>>14133455
Nigga you gay

Finally deciding to read malazan and urth. Which one first? I assume with urth book of the new sun people mean start with shadow of the torturer rather than just reading urth of the new sun? No idea what either series is about right now but everyone jerks them off so hard figured I might as well

>>14133993
You've got it.

>>14133993
Yeah, you should read all four book in BotNS before you read Urth.

>>14133244
>>14131146

I finished watching LOGH and now I crave another space opera to fill the void left by this thing.

>>14134206
Did you watch all the other OVAs besides the main series? You can also watch the currently ongoing remake series of LOGH. He also has another space opera called Tytania.

>>14125623
Just become an hero. Please.

>>14134457
You need to grow taller.

>>14133993
Finished the first chapter of shadow of the torturer. What a bunch of shit.
>guard with key around his neck
>turns around to leave
>key somehow ends up in lock opening gate
>not even a hint toward how it happened
>between dialogue are paragraphs of the most contrived pseudo-intellectual tripe imaginable
>runs into group of grave robbers and starts sucking off some guy named vodalus without knowing a thing about him
>helps him kill volunteers protecting their dead
let me guess it all makes sense in chapter 57 though right? This is one of those books that everyone hates but pretends to think is the most amazing thing ever.

>Certain mystes aver that the real world has been constructed by the human mind, since our ways are governed by the artificial categories into which we place essentially undifferentiated things, things weaker than our words for them. I understood the principle intuitively that night as I heard the last volunteer swing the gate closed behind us.
fucking what is this garbage

>>14134738
No, it's an attempt at being literary so it's one of those books that a person says they like to seem smart and cultured.

>>14134738
bro delete this please bro please this isnt true its not shitty boring schlock delete it its art its literature its better than genre fiction please bro

>>14133993
>>14134738
Don't skip the author's intro to Gardens of the Moon. It has pretensions of a different sort.

>>14121107
>outtakes in a novel
What is this reddittier fucking shit?

>>14134799
>wanting to be this bound by covention
ok boomer

>>14133993
>everyone jerks them off so hard
/sffg/ seems to hate Malazan (because they are plebs).

>>14134819
Nah, I'd say it's about 50/50 overall with great variance between threads depending on the posters present.

>>14134738
>let me guess it all makes sense in chapter 57 though right?
I mean probably.

>fucking what is this garbage
The best piece of genre fiction ever written. But admittedly it's not for everyone.

>>14134829
>it's not for everyone.
Is anything?

>>14129376
>China good
Well bless your retarded commie heart

>>14134806
You don’t belong here

>>14134834
I guess not, but some things are undoubtedly more accessible than others. BotNS being an example of others.

>>14134873
What a nice compliment. Thank you.

>>14134883
The less accessible it is the more potential it has to be high quality.

>>14134976
sure. I can just imagine the guy sitting with a thesaurus and instead of saying "an official caught taking a bribe" he says "venal burgess" and thinks hes so fucking smart. What a piece of literary art this book is. So incredible my tiny brain is just in awe

>>14135038
Nice example! That was much better. I'm glad that we're in agreement.

>>14135038
From an understanding viewpoint the difference between Wolfe's worldbuilding through archaic language and the average fantasy authors worldbuilding through words and titles they just made up is negligible. The real difference is that with Wolfe I can find a deeper meaning if I decide to look it up, which I admittedly don't do most of the time because just like with generic fantasy lingo context lets you figure out an approximate anyway. But it's nice that you're given the choice.

>>14131801
>Endymion still had great parts, though. I really liked how the high-speed space flights killed the passengers every time.
Me too, that shit was awesome. I really enjoyed the part that involved The Church. Imagine how much better the Endymion books would have been without Aenea. She is basically the equivalent of Sonny/Otacan/Johnny in MGS4

>>14133455
SOURCE PLEASE

>>14135379
It's called porn, specifically erotica.

>>14133455
Hot, but you also sound like a tremendous retard.

>>14133455
That's because to reassure yourself of your masculinity you have to feel that you've deprived someone else of theirs.

Bump limit reached.

Can we shit on book of the new sun in the next thread?

>>14135563
>I'm mad, mad about books

I'm most of the way through Gideon the Ninth and it's pretty good. Has one of the more incongruous(?) descriptions I've seen vs the actual content. Publisher description makes it sound like a space opera action adventure With Gay Themes for twee teens, but it's actually a locked room mystery in a very Tsutomu Nihei/Q Hayashida feeling setting.

>>14135625
Yeah but how many of the povs are gay or transgender?

>>14135643
The protag is gay but it never really comes up. More of a literal sword lesbian.

>>14135696
Awful.

NEW THREAD
>>14135921
NEW THREAD

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Read it and weep.