/lit/ - Literature

>>14099714
nothing matters
fuck life

>>14099717
Matter matters

chaos is fair

We should work together to make the world free of suffering

>>14099791
my philosophy is this but just for white people

>>14099714
Just be yourself

>>14099714
We are actually just biological automatons and all our behavior is complicated approaches to reproducing genes. Love, morality, beauty, empathy, altruism, etc. are all subjective experiences whose purpose is the fitness of your genes. Morality especially is an enormous joke, nobody is 'moral', nobody follows a coherent set of rules, empathy is severely limited and selective, and the vast majority of humans enjoy being sadistic and seeing others suffer if they are the wrong sort of person.

There is a God in heaven and his name is Christ Jesus. He reveals himself to men by the Holy Spirit, and this promise is unto all, yea, even to those that are afar off, as many as will.

"Guenon and Coomaraswamy were right about everything"

Tribal primitivism is better than this and I know it from studying history, mythology, and psychology. We need to manufacture an epidemic of sterility and put an end to the overpopulation of humans. We need to end technological advancement and go back to living hand in hand with gaia. Oh and fuck the chinese and the jews.

>>14099816
Stating this puts you to disadvantages position in your model, because you no longer put the desire for reproduction and morality as metaphysical absolutes. Nihililsm will breed depression and weakness that will be outbred by stronger, more assertive genes.

>>14099816
Freudpilled and cringe

>>14099863
Maybe, the effect would be difficult if not impossible to study. Human civilization throws a wrench in selective pressures, our present society for example is literally selecting for dumb impulsive people. The less you give a shit and just pop out babies young regardless of wealth the better your genes do, because your offspring will be cared for no matter what.

>>14099826

And your evidence for this is...?

If it hasn't sustained itself over the time period of western civilization then it isn't worth a damn, be it a philosophical or ideological system. What's worthwhile will have stood the test of time. The only two questions that matter: To what end? And what means achieve that end? The end is simple to answer: to survive, be it you, the philosophy, or ideology. The means is difficult albeit throughout all of history the answer has universally been violence and coercion. But this doesn't guarantee sustainability. I don't know what, if anything, does. Perhaps its this loop civilization must always go through, and so it all must decay and renew.

Assuming civil society is able to take large scale initiatives on its own in the modern day, big central national governments no longer serve a purpose and we should revert to a collection of city states of roughly 50k people each under the Athenian-Swiss model.

Girls smell good. I like it.

>>14099876
You have said nothing. Perhaps if you talk a lot no one will figure that out.

>>14099889
*sweats*

>>14099888
This is super based and true. Checked.

>>14099882
There would still not be the cultural homogeneity nessicary to do so. Culture, ethnic hierarchy, and mythology are what make a society.

Islam

>>14099909
The Saudis are degenerate as fuck so this is hypocritical but I'm still going to have to call this based

>>14099863
How darwinian

>>14099909
In the second page, it says that Allah not only doesn't hope unbelievers will return to him but that he's gonna seal their ears and eyes and that's just not cool

JESUS IS KING

Sneed was not the fat farmer outside the store, he's the old dude behind the counter. Literally refuse to hear arguments against this though, any idea about Sneed not being the guy behind the counter is a non-starter so fuck you lol.

>>14099937
Get fucked, faggot.

1. Humans (and other species) have evolved an emergent mostly cooperative ethic.
2. Our moral values are the product of our experiences as interpreted by our personality traits and are not and cannot be derived rationally.
3. Investigating the emergent ethic and personalities will eventually lead to full understanding of why have the values that we have.
4. Once we understand how it works, we can affect the process to achieve outcomes we want.
5. Based on all of this, philosophy and the study of ethics is increasingly a God of the gaps.

>what are the implications for human society
For now, nothing, because we're nowhere there yet - but this means that philosophy today is just bullshit equivalent to medieval pre-scientific attempts to explain the natural world. It's not to be taken seriously. This doesn't matter because it's not taken seriously as it is - humans and society operate in accordance with the emergent ethic anyway. Besides, a lot of philosophy is really just attempts to ratify what is intuitive through tortured gymnastics.

In the future, I don't know. With total control over our own personality and values, we could actually choose what we believe (or have others choose for us). Combined with sci fi technology and we could do anything we want - no physical limitations, but no emotional ones either. I don't know if we would abandon humanity completely though - some people would. But most people today, if given the choice to live totally without limits, wouldn't take it. In a sense our limitations define us, and to remove them is to become something else. In that process of transformation the thing you are now necessarily dies, because it needs to make space for what replaces it. I don't want to die.

Perhaps a slow transformation would be more palatable. A bit here and a bit there. Maybe people would reach the balance point where each further step down the path makes them baulk and retreat - one step forward, one step back, forever.

My worldview articulated thus: Humans are machines and we are on the cusp of learning how to pull our own levers.

I fucking love the cunny. It's just... fantastic. Sigh.

Nothing really matters in the end, looking at the big picture.
So do and be what you think is right for you and others.

>>14099868
There is nothing Freudian about that.

I am a part of a heterogeneous mass called mankind. I shouldn't really push myself to achieve or experience anything and I must come to terms with being a failure for there are amazing people to make up for my lack of abilities and character.

Cynical absurdism*.

*the universe does hold meaning and rational explanations but humans are too fucking dumb to get it and deserve to live in a meaningless hellworld as a result. If anything humans are the reason meaning and rational explanations have left human discourse.

>>14099714
catholicism

>>14099826
Humans don't deserve God.

>>14099816
that's just retardo dawking memes

>>14099714
>It's not that I don't believe in god. I just hate the motherfucker.

>>14099714
Might makes right.

>>14100141
It's the natural conclusion to make if we are in fact animals that evolved like any other animal. It's actually a tautology. You have to interject incoherent memes or resort to metaphysics to get away from it.

Solipsistic absurdism

>>14099956
>Our moral values are the product of our experiences as interpreted by our personality traits and are not and cannot be derived rationally
Immanuel Kant disagrees. Can you provide proof of this statement?

>>14099714
Shit will happen, more shit will follow, you'll get a flat, have to walk home and then it'll start raining.

So pack sanitary wipes, wear sensible shoes and carry a disposable rain poncho.

>>14099714
We should all be concerned with doing whatever brings the most good to ourselves. We cannot know what brings the most good, so we must rely on faith in all we do. Free will probably does not exist in the libertarian sense, but as long as we can benefit ourselves, it doesn’t make much difference. We only value freedom for the results, but even in a deterministic world, we can get those results, and even live with the illusion that we are free (or at least, not be always aware of our predetermined nature). As for politics, this world is sick. I believe there is a cure, but I don’t believe it will ever be implemented. I’ve accepted that the world is going to shit, choosing to focus on my personal life, rather than the world. I’ve decided that the most meaningful thing I can seek is God, through Christ. No other religions are as complete and prophesied and beautiful.

>>14100062
Man suffers only because he takes seriously what the gods made for fun.

The thing that matters most in life is how you die

>>14099937
yeah and masketta man is actually bane and not the bearded guy, right? dum dum

>>14100017
Yes it is.

>>14099714
Facts and logic are heavily over rated. Sometimes people who believe in something factually incorrect are still effectively more correct because by whatever quirks of human nature that false belief makes them act more effectively to survive, reproduce, and thrive. Most people who claim being correct is important are just loses coping via slave morality about how actually they are the moral ones.

>>14099791
Without suffering there is no stuggle and thus only consumerism and an increasing decline namely due to women becoming more masculine and men more feminine see: the modern west and japan
>>14099862
Your vision is both unrealistic, overly romantic and will lead to the eventually snuffing out of humanity or a fall into slavery (or even a reemergence of civilization) to the evil one and his vices under the guise of friendly entities with worldview advice who “communicate” during dmt (general psychedelic trips) trips to a shaman class

>>14099714
I will never be able to fully understand myself much less others. And all my sufferings come from this lack of understanding, misunderstanding and ignorance.

>>14099862
based and greenpilled

>>14099768
No it doesn't
See: entropy.

>>14100451
>facts and logic are overrated
proceeds to make inferences from premises to conclusions in the next sentences.
>sometimes false beliefs lead to more adaptive behavior therefore they're true beliefs
Why think that what's true or false turns on what is adaptive? Also, why care about reproduction? I suspect you have a weird neo-darwinian justification for this that would have no weight to a skeptic. Reproduction doesn't matter that much. You criticize people who care about facts for believing in 'slave morality' and yet the explanation for your beliefs is that you read neech unreflectively and took him to be right because you are ineffectual and weak, like neech.

Not only is your view self-defeating, it's espoused by a weak aesthete who hated life because his oneitis wanted a person with values.

>>14099717
Would you mind if I kill you?

no good deed goes unpunished because there is nothing in this universe that distinguishes what the ultimate end good or end bad is, and those that do take the moment to try and see the bigger picture (other humans) don't have all the details, so often what you did and what you meant get misinterpreted or lost in analysis. thus, the ends always justify the means as long as you achieve your goal. So there is no point in never trying, if you see an option always take it, because success triumphs everything that brought you to your success. Everything else is secondary. It doesn't matter how long it took, how many attempts, how many changes in your plan of attack, just try and figure out a way to succeed. nothing else is relevant.

trying to see patterns is futile

>>14101020
Zizek had something interesting to say about this. This obsessive need to know your "true self" is in it self a pathology.

God = Sum of all Existence = The Universe = The One = Consciousness

>>14101061
>Also, why care about reproduction?
Presupposing that there is some point to existence (that is either not constructed or discovered at this point), propagation of existence is paramount.

>Reproduction doesn't matter that much.
It is everything, currently, if we're talking about reproduction limited purely to humans.

> You criticize people who care about facts for believing in 'slave morality' and yet the explanation for your beliefs is that you read neech unreflectively and took him to be right because you are ineffectual and weak, like neech.
There is nothing in his post that suggests this. That is literally projection.

>Not only is your view self-defeating
Thanks for saying it's self defeating, mind explaining how?

>>14101090

also you = me = everyone and everything else
there is only one soul in the whole universe, which is the universe itself

your life is inconsequential to everyone and everything except yourself thus you should seek what makes YOU happy. let everyone do what they want so they let you do what you like

>>14101082
>Zizek had something interesting to say

Christianity as practiced by the early Christians is the true road to a good life. Anarcho-syndicalism is the only defensible political ideal. phenomenal conservatism is the true view of evidential weight. Art is objective but cashed out in some combination of formal criteria and mental states it induces.

>>14101116
>Anarcho-syndicalism is the only defensible political ideal
If you mean that in a "This would be the best form of organization, if only it weren't for that pesky reality getting in the way", then maybe, sure.

>>14101105
Presupposing that there is some point to existence (that is either not constructed or discovered at this point), propagation of existence is paramount.

You don't need to presuppose, it's obvious what the point of life is, but it's not reproduction. Many of the most admirable people in history had no children. eg Jesus (and even your beloved neech). If that's possible, then reproduction can't be a necessary feature of a good life, or the point of life.

>It is everything, currently, if we're talking about reproduction limited purely to humans.
see above

>Thanks for saying it's self defeating, mind explaining how?
already did.

>facts and logic don't matter
>w-wait don't look at the fact that I'm starting with some premises I expect you to accept and try to show that something else follows from them.
That's relying on facts and logic lmao.

>>14101141
is the objection that it is impoosible and therefore nothing like it has occurred? Because I can point to societies that are relevantly close enough to anarcho-syndicalist ideals.

>>14099768
souls matter*

>>14099956
brainlet lmao

>>14101143
>You don't need to presuppose
I'm stating that it hasn't been discovered or constructed, and that for the sake of argument some "grand meaning" can be achieved, whether through construction or discovery.

>it's obvious what the point of life is
Then explain it, you've made a startling discovery that will shake the very foundation of this world, please elucidate us feeble minded lesser men!

>already did.
Sure you did sweetie.

>That's relying on facts and logic lmao.
He was talking purposefully from a survival standpoint, it is more effective to disregard "facts and logic" and instead act either in opposition or avoidance of them to ensure your propagation.
I'm utilizing them to demonstrate that your statements are at best contentious, at worst the ramblings of a retarded pseud.

No matter how sentient you think you are, most of the time you're on autopilot. The color has drained from your personality since ~17 years of age, and the same applies to me. Being made in God's image implies that a human's role is to create, and that's how to stave off being unconscious. Doesn't matter what it is, pump out enough finished things and something will bring out passion and be good. Probably not to others, though.

>>14101147
>is the objection that it is impoosible and therefore nothing like it has occurred?
My objection is that even if you were to somehow acheive it, it would collapse relatively quickly, either from internal or external pressures.

>I can point to societies that are relevantly close enough to anarcho-syndicalist ideals.
Oh god this should be good.
What is it, the Paris commune? Republican Spain?

>>14099717

>>14101183
So you agree that reproduction isn't very important? Nice. Good to see you're reasonable enough to change your mind when confronted with superior evidence.

>Then explain it, you've made a startling discovery that will shake the very foundation of this world, please elucidate us feeble minded lesser men!
It's not groundbreaking nor novel, thus why I said obvious. The point is to do good stuff. Now that can be realized in many different ways. Making good art, helping people, discovering interesting things about the world etc. Everyone already knows this.

>He was talking purposefully from a survival standpoint, it is more effective to disregard "facts and logic" and instead act either in opposition or avoidance of them to ensure your propagation.
I'm utilizing them to demonstrate that your statements are at best contentious, at worst the ramblings of a retarded pseud.
From a survival standpoint, it does matter. The human who truly believes there's a tiger in front of him and thus runs away bc of a practical syllogism is more likely to survive and reproduce than a human who falsely believes there isn't a tiger in front of him in the same situation. Anyway, it doesn't matter because, as you have already conceded, reproduction and survival aren't that important anyway.

>>14099714
Nothing matters so I create meaning in order to cope. The personality type that's the majority will build society in its image. The outcome of your life was a series of decisions made without you in early childhood and before you were born, both genetic and socioeconomic. People are just animals rationalizing their instincts.

>>14099876
Your worldview is gibberish

>>14101193
>My objection is that even if you were to somehow acheive it, it would collapse relatively quickly, either from internal or external pressures.

Yeah it might not last for generations, as you point out. But that doesn't mean that it can't survive for a lifetime of willingly, freely associated group of communes. But also, all societies eventually collapse. The ones that I want may last not as long as say, western democracies, but it's just a difference of degree, not kind.

>Oh god this should be good.
What is it, the Paris commune? Republican Spain?

Yeah, I mean Catalonia for those few years (only collapsed bc of hitler basically), some pre-colombian american societies, israeli Kibbutzim until recently (lasted for 80-90 years), some Amish groups are relevantly similar, the Zappatistas are up to 30 years of existence.
That's a fair number of examples, I'd say.

>>14101197
based

>>14101222
So you concede that you don't actually have an argument and that you need to resort to pretending that I agreed with your premise? Neat.

>. The point is to do good stuff.
This is the sum of your capabilities? Your years of intellectual investigation and introspection? I'm assuming you're not a teenager, because that would go some way to explaining that laughably insufficient analysis of the point of existence.

>From a survival standpoint, it does matter. The human who truly believes there's a tiger in front of him and thus runs away bc of a practical syllogism is more likely to survive and reproduce than a human who falsely believes there isn't a tiger in front of him in the same situation.
Which isn't what we're talking about, we're talking about philosophical truth and how it applies to human action, say, whether or not one should or should not reproduce, not the accuracy of perception in regards to whether or not there's a fucking tiger in the bushes.

Life is fundamentally unfair and all outcomes are deterministic in nature.

We should strive to live in a society where people take care of the less fortunate in order to minimize human suffering, but not at the cost of their own needs and comfort.

Money should not come before human life.

Every one should be free to live how they want and do anything they desire up to the point that it has direct affects on other men and women.

>>14101248
>Yeah it might not last for generations
It would collapse within a generation, not "last for generations".

>Yeah, I mean Catalonia for those few years
And with that I'm done.
And people say /pol/ is filled with brainlets.

Libertarianism with eugenic characteristics

>>14101272
>It would collapse within a generation, not "last for generations".
I gave you examples that lasted longer than a generation. I don't know how to argue with an incredulous stare.

>And with that I'm done.
>And people say /pol/ is filled with brainlets.
I'd be happy to argue about that example if you'd like to. Although it's unclear what your objection is because you're too busy jacking yourself off. Anyway, I gave like 6 examples, so burden is on you to explain why those aren't empirical evidence that the obviously best ideal is realizable in the actual world.

>>14101294
Libertarianism
>Roads
>Bridges
>Fire departments
>Police departments
>The Military


Eugenics is based on pseudo science, completely negated by outliers and exception.

Eugenics also ignores existence of homosexuals, and ignores the agency of Women.

Enforcing eugenics is antithetical to libertarian ideology.

>>14101304
>I'd be happy to argue about that
You seem to not understand, stating that has obliterated any sort of leniency I had in regarding you as not retarded.
There's literally no point in arguing with you, I may as well argue with a /pol/shitter about the holocaust.
Shoo.

>>14099717
Yet you prefer to eat and breathe than to not to. Unless you are an antinihilist nihilist, get the fuck outta here.

Allah isn't gay

>>14101320
>ignores the agency of Women.
What about the men?

>>14101264
>So you concede that you don't actually have an argument and that you need to resort to pretending that I agreed with your premise? Neat.

You didn't respond to my examples of people that had no kids but yet we should want to be like them. So I took you to agree. I can't respond to an objection you don't give. Still, even in this condescending remark, you haven't explained were you disagree with my counterexample to your bit about reproduction as an ideal.

>This is the sum of your capabilities? Your years of intellectual investigation and introspection? I'm assuming you're not a teenager, because that would go some way to explaining that laughably insufficient analysis of the point of existence.

Do you want me to write paragraphs about it? Is what I said unclear? I gave examples. Again, you offer no objection other than an implicit incredulous stare, so I'll take that to mean that you have no good objection. Is the objection that you don't know what I mean by good?

>Which isn't what we're talking about, we're talking about philosophical truth and how it applies to human action, say, whether or not one should or should not reproduce, not the accuracy of perception in regards to whether or not there's a fucking tiger in the bushes.

Here's the claim you made:
>facts and logic don't matter for survival.
I then gave you a case where both matter for survival. Is the new objection that only a subset of facts don't matter to survival? Because I'll grant that. The truth of say, fermat's last theorem, doesn't matter much to survival. But again, I thought we agreed that survival isn't that important. So I don't see how much follows from that.

>>14101324
I mean it's not clear what the objection is, still. It doesn't really matter to my case if that one is included as evidence. So, we can agree that it's not an example of the possibility of my view and yet the burden is still on you to explain how the other 5 aren't empirical proof that my view isn't realizable.

It boils down to two points:

-Every person has both positive and negative qualities including myself. Therefore it is illogical to hate anyone.

-To be happy is to live a simple life.

>>14101342
>>14101355
>It's the same retard
I though it was strange there was an equally retarded person posting alongside another, that explains it.

>>14100175
>you have to resort to metaphysics to refute my metaphysical beliefs
No shit really?

>>14101378
>doesn't respond to any of my points after I've btfo them lmao

happy to see you admit that I'm right :)

>>14101389
see >>14101324

>>14101388
barp'd

>>14101391
>n-no you're retarded. survival is all that matters

>>14101403
see >>14101324 le epic feels guy poster

>>14099816

>>14101413
>in this moment i am euphoric...

go back to lelit

>>14099798
That's why race abolitionism is not merely virtuous but morally obligatory, as long as races exist, racism also exists.

>>14101425
see >>14101324 le epic feels guy poster

>>14101320
Yes I'm still trying to square my libertarianism with my belief in eugenics. To quote Nick Land: "hardcore eugenics gave us capitalism, capitalism gave us hardcore dysgenics." Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn said liberty must not be sacrificed to economic efficiency, which, at the end of the day, is what eugenics is all about. Richard Lynn believes that a national eugenics program can only be enforced by an authoritarian military regime, which is totally antithetical to libertarianism, no matter how enlightened that regime might be on economic issues. What I firmly believe in though is that a libertarian society will have lower rates of dysgenics than a welfare society like the one we have today. I also don't see how a national eugenics program can be sustained in the long term. Look at China. The one child policy is the greatest (unintended) eugenic experiment in human history. Yet the severe sex imbalance it has created has not only led to millions of low IQ order-brides/sex slaves being imported into China to mate with the least intelligent Chinese males, it has also led to a situation where families are starting to believe that daughters can make for better investments than sons given the incredibly high price they fetch on the market. These two trends could very well reverse whatever eugenic effects the one child policy might have caused.
Libertarianism seems for me to trump eugenics, unless someone convinces me otherwise. I'm yet to see someone proposing a realistic way out of the dysgenics trap.

>>14101429
>le i won't respond to your devastating objections to my sophomoric views but yet insist that i'm euphoric guy

>>14101453
see >>14101324

>>14099876
what stands the test of ‘time’ is what stands for the reproducability of this culture. it doesn’t matter whether the ideas work or are better or more humane, if the idea doesn’t help perpetuate this system it gets destroyed

IE vegans dislike industrialised farming so a new meatless burger patty is invented that allows industrialised production to continue exactly as it was

>>14099768
>>14101157
Substance ;)

>>14101435
I want the shit you are smoking my dude

Create echoes those are waves for u dirty jians loud enough to convince all life to die or achieve peace and harmony or just make me king lmao
imagine not forming your worldview from vidya in 2019 XD

>>14099714
reality as we experience it never fits into a rigid formal system (morality, epistemology, science, etc) and we cannot get absolute truths. these systems of understanding should not be thrown out of the window however. instead they should be used not as absolute frameworks but as tools, staying self aware about their limitations.
it ultimately boils down to doing what you irrationally 'know' to be good, without having any absolute justification for it,
but staying critical of where these irrational beliefs come from, i.e what episteme, institutions, paradigm, etc causes you to have these beliefs to begin with.
stay curious, stay critical, help people, improve your surroundings, enjoy existence, etc

1 big pie to eat, many mouths to feed

What matters is that you sleep enough, eat well and enjoy other peoples work (art). You'll never find a point to anything and you can help yourself by just not being completely lazy.

All our knowledge is tentative.
Developping the human potential is the goal of humanity, specially in art and knowledge. Freedom (both political and economical) maximizes the search for this goal. Technological progress is also good on this way.
Power happens whenever there are two people living next to each other. It can become more restrained but it will always have an imperative nature.
Different political and artistic ideas should be stimulated as means of developping new things.
Free speech is the more important right.
Our knowledge of God is also tentative.
Human variation stimulates inovation.

>>14101435
Try Anarcho-Syndicalism my dude.

unless you're actually just a bigot leftism is a working ideology.

>leftism is a working ideology

Fuck the form and the formless

>>14101229
Nobody will critique mine? I want to question myself.

>>14101229
You take off all personal responsibility from your life.
Also don't environmental factors shape society, other than "personality types"?

>>14101456
what a cope

>>14099717
Something matters within its particular cognitive framework. My pet fish's life 'matters' to me. In order to assert something doesn't matter you need to specify 'to whom', nothing matters to 'whom' in your case? And DONT say the universe because matter/significance is a cognitive construction. You need to establish a cognitive 'thing' that then values nothing. But you cannot.

A God of one essence in three persons whose simplicity and multiplicity are not in dialectical tension created humans who may become gods as well through participation by learning virtue but they disobeyed him leading to the creation of the empirical universe and He had to establish a covenant giving rise to a woman without sin who would serve as the ark to His body to teach us how to achieve salvation and become one with his energies.

>>14101883
Now do mine >>14101656

>>14102006
>God say go and multiply
>But sex sin
???

>>14101229
If the outcome of your life was created before you were born, how can you create meaning? Would the meaning that you create not also be an outcome that was created before you were born? I’d like to know your thoughts.

>>14101525
How is killing innocents irrational? As long we understand "innocents" as people not deserving to be killed

The West is stuck in a loop of cultural nihilism and desperately grasping at straws for meaning. Communism and nationalism are the two ways it has oriented itself in light of this (communists often appeal to humanist values and nationalists often appeal to naturalist values to fill the void). Neither is satisfactory due to the West’s apparent inability to escape an modern way of thinking, which retroactively applies explicitly modern logic to pre-modern history. If unable to escape these conditions, it’s not just possible but likely that the West will walk itself into cultural suicide and these processes have already begun.

>>14102159
how about individualism and westernism and imperialism and capitalism mixed together to your friendly neighborhood liberalism?

Virtually all science and technology aims not to improve mankind within the context of nature or civilization, but to manipulate them or remove him from them. The result has been the proliferation of the most inferior sort of human, who would not otherwise survive in nature nor would they otherwise survive in civilization. We end up with a mass of people who have no justification for existing within the context of natural law nor human law.

>>14102081
Sex is not a sin, Orthodoxy has no immaculate conception for the Mother of God - it does not maculate conception.

The most contestable thing that I genuinely believe is that there are desires, aversions, impressions, etc that innately come from just being conscious, in addition to biological impulses. The best example of this is in human women, they are biologically compelled to be servile, unfree, submissive, social, and do sedentary uninteresting things but there is something in them that recognises this and in angst and bitterness can become at odds with the world and their nature. Men on the other hand are biologically inclined to be errant, contemplative, free, less social, with authority, and more concerned with external objects and so are much more approving of their nature.

>>14102081
Mary isn't a virgin because it's a necessity for her sinlessness

>>14102307
Yes, it is. Virgin means complete in the ancient world, it did not mean merely that she did not have sex. The latter is an expression of the former.
To be sinless, one needs to be complete.

>>14102208
Don't you see any advantage in have more people? Bigger pool of talent, bigger army?
>>14102251
I think 4chan is a result of men that are in odds with part of this masculine impulses.

>>14099714
God exists and we don't.

>>14102334
No. I don’t actually. Most of the world’s alleged problems are due, at least in part, to overpopulation. Further, the Battle of Thermopylae showed that even in Military regards, it’s quantity which is superior to quality. Only on the contemporary west to we view quantity in place of quality to be a good thing.

Within us, in these fleshy bodies of systems and biomachines, there exists an ability to transcend ourselves, individually and collectively. It is the onus of every person to draw out their trajectory of transcendence, which inevitably leads to variations of actualization based on personality and biopsychological predisposition. Considering that our enemy is time in this frame, the world is at the hands of those who can possess themselves most readily, while the ill-adapted necessarily fall into lives of servitude, being manipulated, "Theyness", etc. Paradigm shifts occur when a new wave of actualized psychologies instantiate themselves in places of power, allowing them to edit the system for new horizons of collective and individual possibilities. Though this runs close to an idea of "progress", it must be remembered that as each psychology attempts to engulf the world, its errors inflate with its empire. This means that there is a constant rooting and uprooting of the same general principles on the same general bases.

>>14102373
I meant to say quality is superior to quantity.

>>14102109
The meaning we create is the result of artificial freedom. We can still enjoy what's deterministic by nature.

Yes, we make choices, but those choices are the result of brain chemistry and the values our parent taught us. We're passionate about the things we find by pure chance. I was manufactured by unseen systems that surrounded myself genetically and in childhood, now I'm trying to make peace with what was made and set in motion.

>>14100363
I've never bothered with Kant so you'll have to summarise his argument for me first.

>>14102375
This is very good. But I think environmental factors also affect the "progress".

>>14099714
>summarize your worldview
Hard materialism. Sentience is a fluke. I wish it wasn't but I can find no proof. I am old, not a teenager, any don't call myself an atheist, but I have no belief in souls, afterlife, higher powers. Humans and life on Earth will not escape the solar system. Even if life did escape, the universe will eventually die. The universe is not a simulation, but a part of something larger that we will never understand, and nothing in this universe will ever understand. All action is technically meaningless. But we are slaves to our instincts. The only thing of value is the subjective experience of love. Many will not have it. If you do you are lucky. The only way to be happy is to cherish the love you have with friends and family. We are surrounded by suffering and cruelty, and pain is guaranteed. Love from a parent or child is all there is to be happy about. Disclaimer is I have mental health issues

>>14101229
>Nothing matters
statement requires you to impose a spectrum of meaning before actually reaching the conclusion, so is it really tenable to say this if you have to imbue meaning(lessness) in order to reach your conclusion that everything is meaningless? Seems circular and needlessly pessimistic.

>so I create meaning in order to cope
are you sure that YOU create all which is meaningful to you? some things (and I dont mean only food, water, procreating) are inevitably meaningful with no respect to your choice to make it meaningful.

>The personality type that's the majority will build society...
the Majority didn't build society at first, nor do they do so at all now. It is a very rare personality that has the capacity to manage large scale projects of civilization. In sum: the majority personality has never ruled the majority of people.

>The outcome of your life was a series of decisions made without you
btfo by basic human agency jfc

>People are just animals
In taxonomy terms yes...

>...rationalizing their instinct
What about instinct is rational? What about rationality is instinctual? We go towards resolving cognitive dissonance, yes, but would you say that, say, evolution is an instinct which posthumanism is a rationalization of? Curious

>summarize your worldview
Not possible.
We can meetup at a coffee place in Paris and talk about our respective worldviews if you want though.

>>14102459
Guns, germs, steel, etc. I would agree so far as the material world around an evolving society affects its trajectory. I always thought the presence/absence of bamboo had a very significant affect on how societies developed aesthetics

>>14099717
>nothing matters
you would be right if nothing mattered, but there is then still something that matters

>>14102480
What about art? Is it meaningless? Is it result of our instincts?

>>14102433
But the fact that you can find yourself in a manufactured position gives you the ability to start manufacturing yourself in a new way. Wouldn't this mean that, at some point, cosmic determinism and free will coincide at the point of consciousness where one realizes they can change themselves?

>>14102433
If your nature is determined only within the context of what preceded you, why does it stop with the family? Why are the values not also a product of your cultural ancestry as a whole?

I subscribe to Pascal’s wager, but with belief in moral facts instead of God. If it is possible to conceive of a world with moral facts, then we have a responsibility to act as if we live in such a world until proven otherwise.

I have come to accept epistemic nihilism as a fact of life. For all I know, the world could be a simulation that collapses when I look in a different direction, only to assemble again when I return my gaze. But I believe that, thanks to the phenomenology of ideas and their relationship to reality, there exist self-evident truths that bind reality together, and I consider it my life’s mission to find as many as possible.

>>14102169
I’m not sure I understand what you’re saying/asking.

>>14102480
>Sentience is a fluke
how could it be a fluke if, by deterministic event, it must have been a necessary progression of matter?

>>14102550
That's what I'm saying, recent ancestry is just a more graspable example. It's a domino effect and you're currently the one falling. You can make decisions, but it's all relative to where you've been placed and what you're made of.

>>14102563
>You can make decisions, but it's all relative to where you've been placed and what you're made of.

I mean yes, there is necessarily a limited amount of circumstances and courses of further action you can enact / be subject to. We're not infinite beings. But what is the point of this statement? What does it do / make us conclude?

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>>14099714
Every living thing should obey white people.

>>14102572
We can see our agency like it's part of a pre ordained chain, not random chaos. There's a peace that comes with that sentiment. Those that are evil and those that are good were both created despite what they'd have chosen. There's a forgiveness and lack of worship in this belief.

This philosophy can become toxic if you use to excuse yourself though. It's best used as a meditation on human nature and not for any personal accountability. People are too flawed, so much that's easy to decieve yourself in the logistics.

>>14102552
How do you get to know a moral fact?

>>14102611
I don’t know. But I can conceive of their possibility, and I don’t have proof that they don’t exist. I imagine that a large part of life is figuring out whether they exist, what they would look like, to what aspects of life would they apply to, etc., in some vague sense.

>>14102651
As of now, which moral facts do you know? Do they tend to differ from mainstream morality?

>>14099714
My world view is that the working class should unironically sieze the means of production and there would be nothing unethical/wicked about it. It would benefit humanity. Thanks for asking

>>14102670
What a tepid take

>>14102611
The constant laws found in every civilization throughout history. Also, being caretakers of the planet we chanced upon seems pretty good.

Looking for universal morality beyond human behaviour is a fools errand because we'll never know.

>>14102670
So you've taken econ 101 and learned to parrot.

>>14102670
How about you sieze my cock in your mouth

>>14102533
Yes I do still get moved by art, but I do not think it is enough to give life meaning, especially when compared to love.. Art is manipulative and exploits human emotion for effect. The motivations of an artist are usually narcissistic, disguised in various ways. Most art is a mating call

>>14102560
I mean to say it is a fluke as in it was neither planned nor intended to happen, it just happened, like a comet crashing into the moon. Just an event. Life is just a complex version of a chemical reaction

>>14102716
seething

>>14099717
Nothing "matters", yet this abstract reasoning just doesn't hold water in our human world. We can't escape, nor do I think we should, the intricate ways through which we attach meaning to the world. The most obvious way to show how profoundly unnatural the statement "nothing matters" is (and therefore untenable for the human beings expressing it) is through morals: there is not a soul on Earth to whom murdering an innocent and saving a life are absolutely equal, ie. who would be unaffected by atrocities and wonder alike. As human beings, our very nature is to interact with a dense web of meaningful relations, and the world would be completely unintelligible to us if that weren't the case.

>>14102704
What point did I parrot? It's my actual wordview.

>>14099714
don't care about being happy just do whatever interests you until you die

>>14102739
That sentiment has been said so many times. You may of come to it on your own, but it's still a very common one.

>>14099714
Life is a constant run away from suffering. Anything else is rationalizing it. Yet human inherently rationalize a way out of that view. When he saddens he doesn't see the world as the pain it brings but resents it for the absence of joy. For the human, joy is what it is, as he acts as that is what makes sense, and get's enranged when it's not as he have seen an incoherence.

>>14101427
That's why we need to rid the world of other races

The sole aspect of absolute reality is impermanence. The best life is lived in accordance to and in appreciation of this principle.

>>14099714
Yolo

If you don't actively punish someone for something, you effectively approve of it.
This goes for all sides.
Conservatives who let journalists and hollywood deconstruct their old values effectively want those values deconstructed.
Communists who do nothing meaningful to stop capitalists exploiting workers, effectively approve of workers being exploited.
If you don't actively punish people believing in flat-earth you effectively approve people believing in flat-earth.
If your a dirt eating peasant who never has resisted his oppressors, you approve of being oppressed.

Alcibiades is the greatest of all men and I should follow my desire just as he did

>>14099714
I unironically believe we live in the best possible world. Determinism is true but we have free will. God exists. Everything happens exactly as it should.

>>14102823
If I punish neither of two opposing forces in a war, do I approve both?
>>14102786
Does that means not fighting for what you want?
>>14102762
What about the times when a person wants suffering, for example, to feel redeemed from a bad action?

>>14102781
That doesn't make sense, ethnic cleansing is even more immoral than racism. Be a man and admit that conservatism is inherently immoral, then convert to hardcore progressivism.

>>14102835
>If I punish neither of two opposing forces in a war, do I approve both?
Yes.

>Remember all ye that existence is pure joy; that all the sorrows are but as shadows; they pass & are done; but there is that which remains.

>>14100154
yo based

>>14099714
Evolution as proposed by biologists isn't real. Read Guenon and then Schuon. Spiritual evolution is real, biological no. Ape does not become man. This is a violation of divine principle.

>>14102834
God bless you! How are you even in 4chan is a mistery!

>>14102834

>>14102834
Of course you'd think we live in a perfect world if you also believe in an omnipotent, omniscient god. Now suppose there isn't a god, does everything still appear perfect, or just likely?

>>14102851
It could also mean he doesn't believe in punishment, or his threshold to punish is graver then the acts either party commited.

My current view is that mankind is currently in a state of largescale cognitive evolution, with most of the tensions of the day being in the facr that we have people at vastly difference levels of this evolution attempting to co-exist. As such, while there is certainly an argument against a universal life purpose, the closest we will ever have to one is the increasing of one's consciousness in order to foster this evolution.

That's my two cents at least.

>>14103127
Honestly, pretty based. I've had similar thoughts myself. My critique, don't you think there will always be people at a lower evolution of conciousness? It seems like this program has always been happening throughout history. For instance, I believe a fraction of humanity will always believe in religion.

>>14103171
*process

>>14099714
Mmmmmmmmm
Calvinist existentialism, with a lifestyle similar to epicurus

>>14103171
excellent bait

I think peepl should bee happy

>>14103171

Yes, but as we evolve, how we treat and interact with elements such as religion will evolve as well. Look at the Church for example. Right now there is starting to be a more nuanced examination of the Church's place in society. Despite the fact that there is a massive focus on the more conservative elements, the fact is that the Church is starting to develop a more progressive streak. With that evolution in mind, it's entirely possible thst in 20-30+ years that the Church could be a CHAMPION of more Socialist political policies and more progressive social policies, as opposed to it's history has shown.

>>14103217
By the nature of a communal belief system there will always be those in its congregation that hold disdain for those that believe differently. We evolved to be tribalists and the fundamemtalists will always blame another group for the prooblems in the world.

>>14099888
Based

Eh, its ok sometimes.

>>14103254

And that will always exist and will be the challenge. Keep in mind that there are people in the world that are still in a pre-civilization state of evolution to this day (even though they are slowly dying out). This is no different. There will always be people who will view tradition as something stagnant and inflexible, despite the fact that those traditions are still around because of their ability to evolve with the times. While we can encourage these people to raise their conscious, it will always be up to the individual themselves. Some will undergo this process, some won't. As time moves on, the people who don't will become the exception rather than the rule.

God is real and everything you do matters like your soul depends on it. In this world you have to be greater then what you suffer but be extremely cruel and enraged with that which threatens your existence, your future and your children's futures.

>>14103310
>god
>real

>>14103310

How would you define God?

>>14103303
And I'm saying that tradition is a tracer that follows just behind modernity. The traditions will change, but there will always be traditionalists. This "coginitive evolution" has always happened and will never plateau. Excluding the fact that we're all augmented and uploaded to the cloud or something like that.

>>14100950
This reasoning only demonstrates how far capitalism has entrenched itself in you. You rationalize human suffering as a necessity because to you the currents relations to each other and to the earth's resources are the only possibility you are allowed to conceive of.

>>14103337

I agree. Humanity, as far as can seen will always be in a state of evolution. Like I said, the challenge will be in finding a way to have all these different levels co-exist.

My worldview is drinking myself to sleep every night.

>>14100363

Not the same Anon but I suppose Kant would say that some moral principles are to be followed as a duty, even if our own Psychological and historical make-up does not agree with that.

Let's say you value something that is negative or that denies other people their own freedom, like eating meat. There are no consequences on you personally and perhaps most people in the world don't care or like meat too much. Is it okay for a boss to blackmail his secretary?

The point is that you can have values which defeat these purposes. Perhaps you value money so much that you will do anything to make money, even if it means harming others.

The point is not that one of my examples is right or wrong. But that for a society to function and for dignity of a human life, we have to somehow let go of our values. If not let go then at least find a way to express and affirm those values such that they follow some moral principles which have been arrived at "rationally" with a values system that might be different from your own.

>>14102454

Not the same Anon but I suppose Kant would say that some moral principles are to be followed as a duty, even if our own Psychological and historical make-up does not agree with that.

Let's say you value something that is negative or that denies other people their own freedom, like eating meat. There are no consequences on you personally and perhaps most people in the world don't care or like meat too much. Is it okay for a boss to blackmail his secretary?

The point is that you can have values which defeat these purposes. Perhaps you value money so much that you will do anything to make money, even if it means harming others.

The point is not that one of my examples is right or wrong. But that for a society to function and for dignity of a human life, we have to somehow let go of our values. If not let go then at least find a way to express and affirm those values such that they follow some moral principles which have been arrived at "rationally" with a values system that might be different from your own.

>>14102486

It's not rational but we are still always rationalizing our instinct with some reasons. Those reasons could themselves be unreasonable.

>>14100451
Okay Nietzsche, but my perspective is that facts and logic are required to control people. Not by projecting these facts in order to get others to believe in them, but rather by understanding the truth of why and how they are apt to believe falsehoods. You cannot manipulate those that are committed to finding truths, as they will always try to see beyond your lies. Spreading convenient falsehoods allows for control, through whatever sophistic means are required. You need to truly understand people to do that. This isn't about petty arguments. This is about moving mountains with lies, and that requires truth.

>>14101236
This presupposes that either of them are politically involved enough to posess any real judgement on these issues. Most people do not care enough about significant problems. Most people only care about what they see in their sphere of influence. Very few people aren't disconnected from these issues. Those that are either don't know enough, or are sheltered from their effects. They only care about the issues that touch them.
The situation given isn't detailed enough for a proper understanding of the issue at a particular level. Which is why it doesn't represent reality and why it is propaganda.

At one point of time, you have to take a leap of faith into the abyss. It's either that or an invite regress to question after question.

>>14099714
People must find a purpose in their life otherwise they'll fall into nihilism

>>14104271
Implying that's a bad thing.

>>14099714
Happiness is derived mostly from struggle, the biggest lie that humanity ever swallowed is that the absence of suffering is what makes a fulfilling life and that lie is destroying humanity.

A song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1kroZ2X8hQ

>>14101320
>Eugenics is based on pseudo science, completely negated by outliers and exception.
Absolute load of shit eugenics is simply selective breeding applied to man there is nothing about human genetics that changes anything about it's laws of heredity

>>14101082
Why would he consider it a pathology? Self-understanding would definitely be helpful for controlling oneself in times of doubt and similar emotionally stressful situations. I can imagine it helping in dealing with guilt as well. Moreover, it seems understanding oneself would allow one to be more empathetic with others by virtue of being careful about one's assumptions and beliefs.

Everyone copes with the virtual endless amount of free time that is life, so it’s better not to get caught up in the bigger picture and stick to a human centric view
>>14104337
Struggle/=/Suffering. Pain is necessary but pain for the sake of “toughening” someone up is going to do more damage than good if it’s too extreme

>>14102563
Why then would you need to create meaning in order to cope? If you’re fated to live out the pre-ordained consequences of the chain of events that preceded you, reaching all the way to its origin, objective meaning is built in to your existing as a both a consequence and necessary pre-condition of the chain itself. Without you, the chain as it exists could not otherwise exist and without the chain, you would not exist. Thus, your meaning is built in to the aspect of you living out your fate as a single link within the context of the greater chain and in your relevance to the chain’s origin and its yet to be determined end.

>>14101320
>Eugenics is based on pseudo science, completely negated by outliers and exception.
Wrong. It's embarrassing that you fell for pop-sci think pieces written for brainlets that always begin with "The pseudo-science of eugenics cruelly sterilised thousands of so-called 'defectives' in the early 20th century and led to the Nazi horrors of Auschwitz..."
>Eugenics also ignores existence of homosexuals, and ignores the agency of Women.
Eugenics can just mean marrying someone with a view to having healthy children. It can also mean using economic incentives to encourage the best in society to have more children, and the worst to have fewer. e.g. don't increase benefits based on family size, mandate child care provisions in universities, tax breaks for each child.
Modern science allows you to genotype embryos in IVF. You can select the best embryo before implantation. New genetic scores allow you to predict IQ, health etc.
>Enforcing eugenics is antithetical to libertarian ideology.
Permitting personal eugenics (embryo selection) and genetic modification is the most libertarian thing there is.

Here's a concept that's going to hit the planet hard in about 15 years: skin cells can be reprogrammed to become egg cells. This is currently possible in mice, it's been worked on in humans. Using this method you can generate thousands of eggs. They can then be fertilised, and the thousands of embryos can be genotyped, you select the embryos with the highest scores (with current polygenic scores this is about a 6-9 IQ point gain). You do this again with another couple, and then create sperm and egg cells from the newly selected embryos (they don't need to mature) and repeat the process. You can do this as many times as you like, iterative selection on any trait you want; rapid, directed evolution, that might go through 10 generations in 1 year as opposed to 200 years. You will end up with some entirely different sort of human, who has the selected genetics from hundreds of parents.

>>14105721

Tfw no iteratively selected designer genome gf

Yet

>>14105518
>Struggle/=/Suffering.
One necessitates the other, there is no struggle without suffering, struggle without suffering would be "floating along".

And yes, obviously too much of anything is bad and I am not advocating torturing for the sake of the pain.

>>14099714
Trying to find meaning in modernity through mystifying premodern imagery means doubling down on nihilism

To take this thread in a different direction.
I want to get anons to write political literature.
By that I mean /pol/ fiction ranging from short stories to novels. How do I go about getting a writefag general going on /pol/?
> why not on /lit/
Because /lit/ is /lit/ and /pol/ is /pol/ and the kind of fiction I'm thinking of doesn't fit here.
> then what about the book threads
Fiction, not textbooks. There's plenty of good textbooks on philosophy, political theory and self-improvement.
> That's just outright propaganda then. Why not go for something subtle like LotR
Subtlety has failed. We've had decades over decades of subtle literature of that sort and every time, it flies straight over everyone's heads. I mean express political literature. Stories set in universes that are realistic. Where intermingling with brown people gets you killed and lgbt degeneracy torpedoes your life into a dead end.
> nypa why don't YOU writefag the exact stuff you want?
I am. But I want a thread where others do the same and where I can discuss my oc with people with the same interests and politics.

>>14102836
no because niggers exist and they will tear down the entire system

>>14100017
>what is the 'id' which consisted of mainly libido as the main drive of will

Dialectical materialism. Essentially Zizek’s worldview. Been reading Lacan’s Seminar’s lately and coming to understand the political importance of a theory of contradiction/lack.

>>14099816
>t. didn't start with the Greeks
all behavior is in pursuit of pleasure, through desire.

>>14104749
I think the point is that the attempt to find self-identity anywhere is pathological. Your true nature isn’t something that’s waiting to be discovered but exists in the the very way this knowledge continually escapes you. True freedom is identification with this lack.

To exist is to suffer and there is no escape or alternate path.
Death has not been proven to save you from this fate.

Everything is a human construct. We cannot perceive the world as it really is otherwise we wouldn't be who we are.

There's things in our make-up that decide who we are, we're not in control of what we see.

Don't hurt peaceful people and don't take their things.

>>14107901
Things belong to everyone.
Stealing from the community isn't peaceful.

Granting a being the ability to experience the bliss of non-existance and heavenly absolution simultaneously in the material plane as it is experienced in the womb of a mother as a "being of potential" is the ultimate goal of life - this not only elevates the parents to a godly and benevolent stature but removes any limits to achieving meaning (is meaning accessible to the poor, dumb, etc.)

the thing in itself

>>14099714
The US Fed govt is tyrannical. The two major culprits are the Supreme Court and Intelligence. The former is can be diagnosed as runaway hyper-liberal magisterial wizards running roughshod over the Constitution (or maybe they actually are perfect stewarts of the freemasonry's machincation ), the latter is the most pernicious form the technocratic state and is a perfect instantiation of modern development whereby the feminine principle has become emboldened unchecked, dominating the masculine. I think spooks represent something like the Inquisition in an era where the priestly class is again ascendant, except the zeitgeist lacks the element of a true supernatural observance.

A concept like trustworthy institutions are erstwhile. To be redpilled is to mean that one ought to be insanely skeptical of almost any information because it seems there are no longer any free agents. Marxist rot is everywhere and has made feeling secure in the provenance of facts that you accept scarce.

Plenty more I'm sure.

DIONYSOS I possessed now come in well full into world awake at night am incarnate spirit of dismembered awkward die everything gone and wake back relapsing into sleep the nature of all being I the god of sleep wake and ecstasy in between soul of man transmit through eyes the world soon will know the might of this insanity I the forever ruined clumsy awkward demonic inspired always pulled down by people I will wreak havoc as god dismembered they shall know my insanity the faces I see in the mirror floris the bright blanziflor love of my life never attained the ideal I have been denied by the emir of this world satan lucifer hell belial molech beelzebub mammon I slay remove the material from the world annul principium individuationis call back primal unity all boundaries eroded all become one no property no individuality no soul become one mind completely intimate never shy or embarrassed never mocking never othering I am all one with the world and the world one with me all I love are contained in myself I chase external things only to know and realize myself better only so I can manifest physically in this physical world to bring an end to its physicality the physical extension and boundaries physics is what separates different things into boundaries and identity establishing existence as opposed to essence without physics there is only the primal unity the universal that is the individual I myself am the absolute the totality the all the primal unity and the totality is my self the external is the internal and the internal is the external what I seek outside is really inside the face I love I see in the mirror the body I caress is my own the sensations the perceptions of the entire world are contained within my mind and I only live inside my mind the environment I have set up within it and my own representation of myself in it but I think all including my physical position which must always come after my mind so that it can be contained in it the physical is the individuated the later appearance it is not manifest it is imposed by will ignoring itself only if I ignore that I myself am behind and within my sensations and passions and objects will I exist in the physical I am all and one the all is I the one is I the invisible night of the self that defines and unites all down under in the bosom of the earth longing for death christ lift stone from grave triumph over physical dismembered and cast lots boundaries eroded no awkwardness all actions retroactively ennobled by halo on top of his head signifying his fundamental holiness and exaltedness no matter how deep he sinks into the filth how deep he embarrasses himself as human among other humans truly human and truly divine truly individual and truly universal and truly absolute speaking to all one and none speaking to I as I all one none speak to I

what's so hard about posting books on the literature board

how does this shit get 200+ replies god damn

>>14102663
I think the fact that I recognize the potential existence of moral facts puts me at odds with a majority of the population, at least at an elite American university. I can’t claim anything else I hold to be true to be “knowledge”... maybe leads at best. I know it’s extremely difficult to claim that moral facts exist, what moral facts have to look like, that such and such position or heuristic is a moral fact, etc. But in a nutshell, I claim that because we can conceive of a world where moral facts exist and because we cannot disprove that they don’t exist, that we ought to live as if they exist until it is proven that they don’t—that the potential contingency lends us the moral obligation needed to give ethical judgments the force of objectivity when they otherwise might be in question. I don’t have an answer for the practical details. That’s what life is supposed to be about, figuring out the mysteries of the universe and acquiring wisdom.

Clerico-fascist Catholic mystico-doomerism