/lit/ - Literature

stop reading neech it's a waste of time. Some of the history is sort of interesting but honestly the dude was a huge pussy with a fantasy of being in an homeric novel. His catalogue is literally Cope:romantic edition

>>14084927
Jesus christ why would you destroy nichee so hard god damn

>>14084927
You only need to read the first speech of Zarathustra (On the Three Metamorphoses) to understand "The Superman", if you couldn't do it after reading it 3 times then you're not ready yet.
It has nothing to do with being "an alpha male" whatever that means for you.

>>14084927
>he didn't start with the greeks

>>14084927
Here. As clear a definition as I have seen
(No, you can’t be an übermensch, but you can strive for it)
https://www.confero.ep.liu.se/issues/2016/v4/i1/160111/confero16v4i1_160111.pdf

>>14086668
>It has nothing to do with being "an alpha male" whatever that means for you.
Nothing, but also everything.

>>14086679
/thread

>>14086679
>>14086710
Important step, but quite cryptic and dangerous to go it alone. Not all Greeks are there to help you.

>>14084927
He defines the ubermensch as beyond good and evil, a being who possesses amor fati, a being of naturalness, a being with the greatest multiplicity of conflicting drives under the greatest subordination of a single dominant drive as is relatively feasible, a milestone among the milestones of humanity who appear here and there in history as great accidents and rarities, an elevation of the consciousness of strength in humanity. Anyone short of this isn't the ubermensch.

>>14086697
>overhuman
cringe

>>14087458
>Learns a bit of German
>Thinks it’s cringe
Last men? More like last boys

>>14085218

Uh, I think the ubermensch is simply a rationalization of human evolution. The superhuman is when a person ceases to be human and is beyond human constraints. So it's impossible to be one and be a human. The whole book describes the limitations of perception as it relates to duality so the reader becomes conscious of these Phenomena and can evolve in thought.

>>14084927
>>14085218
Nietzsche really just seems like a platform for people to pretend to have read things they haven't, with loud ass opinions no less. You can especially tell from the way they try to cover it up with meme-y language, as if they're so secure in their knowledge that they can talk about it extra informally. But it's clearly bullshit.

The only problem with Nietzsche is that he's a popular name. It then follows for a lot of people that he should be attacked. That's how it goes with popularity - you can attack what's popular to elevate yourself above the masses, and whatever is popular is more deserving of criticism in proportion to how popular it is.

I'll tell you, from being in an actual philosophy department in university, that pretty much everyone likes Nietzsche. He's cool, he's fun, he has a lot of great shit to say on a variety of topics. If you ever come across a valid criticism against him, it won't come in the form of calling him a pussy.

>>14087653
>Uh,
no one will ever take you seriously

>>14087790
I meant it to be like 'uh, are you people dumb' not like 'uh, what am I saying.'

>>14087803
either way you’re a bitch and I could pin you in five seconds flat

>>14087808
Wew lad

>>14084927
>What did Nietzsche really mean by "The Superman"?

>>14087814
>Kanye
Can an ubermensch be a devout christian?

>>14087823
No, because the Übermensch creates its own values (and therefore morality) while the Christian accepts and undergoes morality as given from dogma, Bible, theology, etc.

>>14087653
>the ubermensch is simply a rationalization of human evolution.
To some extent, yes. The more accurate statement would be: the ubermensch is a rationalization of human evolution, which entails elements from both human physiology and human civilization.

Both sides are important for understanding the ubermensch. If physiology is lacking, i.e., physical health is lacking, or if the civilizing factor is lacking, i.e., social competency is lacking, then the individual will be lacking in some way. The ubermensch is the culmination of the whole evolution of humanity, both physiologically and spiritually. Since the beginning of civilization, humanity has been evolving in a new way that other species hasn't, creating gulfs between the members of its species in a way that other species don't, and Nietzsche doesn't dislike these new gulfs, he embraces them. He pictures the ubermensch to be somewhat of a civilized barbarian like Napoleon, a social genius who pursues what he wants in an unwavering manner.

>>14087803
>uh, are you people dumb
>proceeds to give a dumb and incorrect explanation of the Ubermensch

Love to see it

>>14087733
>I'll tell you, from being in an actual philosophy department in university, that pretty much everyone likes Nietzsche. He's cool, he's fun, he has a lot of great shit to say on a variety of topics.
This was my experience in my university's department as well. However, what I noted was that pretty much everyone, including the professors, only seemed to contend with a watered down version of his ideas, a summary of the man not unlike what can be read on sites like the Stanford Encyclopedia. His ideas that inspired the national socialism of the Third Reich, like his strong advocacy of militarism and his concept of society being ordered by rank like the military where sections of rank are protected from each other, or his idea that socialism can be beneficial towards raising the spirit away from democracy, were never contended with.