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>>14077886
Same reason there are still capitalist apologists. Propaganda.

>>14077886
Communsim has never existed.

>>14077890
Capitalism works, communism doesn't

Whoa, you mean an argument can be made against a radical view of ideology taken to the extreme with another ideology taken to the extreme. You are blowing my mind here, mate.

>>14077896
If that were the case there wouldn't be millions of older Eastern Europeans nostalgic for the Soviet Union.

>>14077886
Maybe you’d like a book to go along with your faulty meme ideology. It might clear things up for you

>>14077907
CAPITALISTS BTFO!!!

>history clearly explained

LMAO. These fuckers want to “debate”.

>>14077926
This, but unironically.

>>14077920
Ok namefaggot.

How so? Communism worked for one million years or more, before feudalism rolled around.

>>14077907
That's not an argument, they're nostalgic for it because the politicians weren't as openly corrupt then. The trouble there is that the transition was too quick, greed took over rapidly. But sure, capitalism totally doesn't work and a bunch of starving old people wishing for the "good ol' days" shows it, despite the degradation of the rural communities and the lack of government contributions towards public infrastructure.

Imagine not being a communist in 2019.

Kek

>>14077896
The capitalism of today is hardly sustainable desu.

It's no apologetics, its dialectics you brainlet

>>14077886
Communists are mentally ill for the most part.

It's an attractive fantasy for people with certain materialist assumptions. History doesn't refute communism, it's socialism's inability to compete with the price coordinated economy in terms of efficiency that destroys it as a practical method of organisation. Thee serious communists day dream about creating some super advanced AI's that can tell billions of people what exactly needs to be made and exactly where stuff needs to go because that's what it would take to compete with capitalism. The less serious communists pretend the problem doesn't exist.

>>14078381
why?

>>14077970
>muh noble savages
feel free to start a commune if you think that is going to work. just don't fucking complain when a neighbouring tribe of marauding niggers attacks you because they want to fuck your sickening roastie hangers on

>>14078487
you haven’t heard?

>>14078381
That's democracy's fault, not capitalism honestly. Look at the end of the SPQR, turned into a plutocracy and was falling apart, put in an autocrat and shit got fixed

>>14078506
well democracy, and un-backed central bank fiat. but marx had central banks in his communist manifesto anyway. we're pretty much living the revolution he demanded

>>14078496
about?

>>14078520

>>14078486
Lithuania’s GDP has risen over 500% since the collapse of the Soviet Union. This picture proves nothing other than the power of nostalgia and the worthlessness of opinion polls. The reason Lithuania is so crap now is largely because of young people leaving and ugly communist architecture left over from soviet times.

>>14078506
The SPQR didn't have capitalism..

>>14078554
still waiting for this tyranny to wither away?

>>14078559
>young people leaving
That's because Lithuania is now a NATO colony run by fascists that exists to provide labour to its imperialist masters.

>>14077886
They want to at least hitch a ride before the government collapses under the weight of all the programs, because that's the best they can realistically get.

>>14078562
That's the point. Very similar national decay to what we have today, no capitalism needed because the culprit all along was democracy

>>14078609
Autocratic regimes have a terrible tract record though.. and Roman democracy wasn't the liberal democracy we know today

>>14078609
Also, Rome was a republic you retard.

Because the west has a bad case of Jews.

>>14078633
>Autocratic regimes have a terrible tract record though
Says who, exactly? The most long-lived major polities in history were all autocratic. Republics turn corrupt and fall apart much quicker unless they're tiny like Switzerland

>>14077886
Because there are still examples of communist countries that are actually quite alright, such as Cuba.

The common rebuttal to this that I have found is one that focuses on the relative impoverished nature of Cuba, but this is an argument constructed from a place of ignorance. Yes Cuba is relatively poor, but upon inspecting the geopolitical and external economic factors working against Cuba, I would argue that the country is relatively prosperous, all things considered.

It's a small island nation that isn't exactly overflowing with natural resources, and it has been under an extreme embargo for over 60 years now. While Cuba is capable of feeding itself, it is reliant on foreign nations with more robust resources to come into possession of products made in advanced industries, as Cuba lacks these resources itself. This access to the global economy is severely crippled by US efforts to strangle the country to death, a death that will never come to a mostly self-sufficient country like Cuba.

So while Cuba lacks a sizeable influx of foreign resources, and this stunts the economic development of the island nation, it still maintains a decent quality of life with a few stipulations that stem from the lack of those resources. Medicine, car parts, computers (though less of this than the other) are very difficult for the country to source, and as a result are highly scarce. These things still enter the country, but there is an indisputable shortage. And yet the people don't starve, they are relatively happy and taken care of, and violent crime is one of the lowest in the region (as estimated by third party sources)

It cannot be said that these shortages are due to an internal failure of the Cuban economy, but a result of the United States interfering with the ability of Cuba to do trade with countries that would willingly export surplus goods to Cuba.

To say that communist Cuba has failed due to a flaw of communism would be a blatant lie. Firstly, Cuba is anything but a failed state. That is not to say that it doesn't have it's problems, but those issues are hardly run-away disasters of other communist countries. Secondly, one can say communism IS the source of Cuba's problems, but only with the stipulation that the reasoning is not for any intrinsic issue of the system, rather it's caused by the neighboring superpower bullying Cuba for being communist. However this is a complete change in dialectics and topic of discussion, and I highly doubt that this was a criteria that you incorporated into your ideas about the failures of communism, as it stretches more into the domain of realpolitik calculus than it does economic ideology.

Which is not to say that I myself am a communist, this is just a tired argument.

>>14078692
Yeah but they suck and repress art and science and life itself. The only thing that makes them sustainable is that they repress ideas, which never die, which is fine for humans that don't have any ideas, and need to be ordered. But honestly fuck those people who don't ask questions and don't like questions being asked. Authoritarians are afraid of inquiry, they see it as chaos. I'm not even a liberal democrat or a republican, but I completely refuse to live according to the logic of a repressive regime and demand to be ordered by the logic of inquiry, which necessitates justice, equity and freedom. The only sustainable order is THE LAW OF MIND.

>>14078731
When you stay the night at a hospital in Cuba you need to bring your own light bulbs and soap. These are the glories of socialism.

>>14078749
>justice, equity and freedom.
You do know the foundation for our fair system of laws was Justinian, right? Who also built the Hagia Sophia, hailed as the most magnificent building in the world for hundreds of years. Constantinople had an aqueduct that was like 50 miles long to supply them with water. Not really seeing how any of this is suppressed art or science. You're a fucking sheep whose just regurgitating "muh democracy" because you were told how wonderful it is in school, fuck off

>>14078759
And when you stay the night in a hospital in the U.S.A. you have to pay for the expensive medical bills.

Not him btw.

>>14078788
Yes you have to pay. What of it?

>>14078788
>the free market is why hospitals are expensive
Lol

>>14078820
Where’s the lie?

>>14078759
Right, because Cuba is under an embargo that prevents the country from importing goods from countries that have primary industries which output the materials needed to manufacture lightbulbs. At best, cubans can recycle materials to make filament-based lightbulbs, and they often do. Please try to actually read and comprehend the post you're replying to, before responding. This is a consequence of an external force preventing access to a global market, which stops Cuba from gaining access to goods reliant on resources not found in their country. That is not a philosophical flaw of communism, that is a geopolitical consideration of a superpower trying it's hardest to make a neighboring country unlivable.

Of course the irony is that Americans go bankrupt every day from the costs associated with private healthcare in their country. I would rather be concerned about bringing my lightbulbs and soap with me to the hospital than financial ruin because my insurance company shafted me and refuses to pay $25,000 of my $50,000 medical bill.

How livable do you think independent Hawai'i would fare if it were placed under the same trade restrictions for 60 years?

>>14078796
The cost of healthcare in Cuba is the cost of a lightbulb and a bar of soap?
And that’s because of an embargo!
“What of it” he asks. HA

>>14077920
You are absolutely, the sin of the earth manifested.

>>14078360
>the degradation of rural communities and the lack of government contributions towards public infrastructure
This is why capitalism is failing.

>>14078796
>>14078820
You know not everyone has the money to pay for these bills, right?
Well, at least one of you recognise the big chalenge that is establishing a public health system which is really available to all.

>>14078832
And the cost of taxes, but anon doesn't realize he's paying more into insurance than he would into taxes used to subsidize the cost of healthcare.

>>14078825
There's always an excuse for the failures for communism and when that fails you can just point to America and claim something they do is bad. It really is boring.

History does a pretty good explaining how shitty fascism is but look at this board

>>14078844
capitalism and local communities are made for one another. it is freedom of association at its most pure. the problem is that a bunch of kike socialists in central government are sniffing all the shekels out of the community in the form of taxes

>>14078848
>paying money into insurance directly costs less than paying the government to manage a national, top-down system of insurance
sure, bud

>>14078428
You sound like a fascist. The KKK, the original defenders of protestant liberalism, will welcome you warmly.