/lit/ - Literature

>>14041202
Jews are better writers than whites, anyway.

I personally find Stalin x100 more interesting, in terms of biography. Plotting, murder, ruthlessness etc.

>>14041211
Nice dubs but check mine out

>>14041202
I actually do feel rather meh about him. I agree with some stuff but a lot of his actions strike me as retarded. The West was on the way out anyway so whether he lost or won doesn't matter that much.

He was in the end just some early 20th century German who was a good politician.

>>14041202
David Irving writes him like a compassionate but daring genius with max charisma who takes nothing from nobody.

>>14041202
He killed 6 million innocent people you retard. No wonder people in the west hate him lmao

>>14041233
He killed 11 million people, 6 million were jews. Don't you think its weird you don't hear about the other 5 million?

>>14041242
Sure, he killed 11 million. I just went with a safe number so I didn't get swarmed with replies from High School dropouts about how the death total is a Jewish conspiracy or something.

>>14041202
he was magnetic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDjfN8xyN3E

>>14041252
Your excuse is clearly.

Jews are a disgusting creature every single one of them shouldve had their skin turned into lampshades.

>>14041264
Look! A high school dropout!

>>14041264
*is clearly bullshit

>>14041272
I graduate from college in a few months.

>>14041264
b&rp'ed

>>14041264
>>14041287
How do we get the anti-intellectual poltards out of lit? Such neanderthalic violence is spoken every time one of them crawls out of their stinking hole.

>>14041202
See Putin for a modern tamer counterpart
This sociopath knows how to fake charisma like no one else

>>14041257
based

>>14041279
proves anyone can get a college degree

Whats with the influx of hitler threads lately, are we being raided by stormniggers?

>>14041317
some of us read books and belong here just as much as you, sweaty.

>>14041511
Then start discussing literature

>>14041213
Stalin did deal with the jewish problem in a better way, the quiet and ruthless way. Hitler never wanted war and his overtness backfired.

>>14041233
The 6 million jews thing is fake, anon.

>>14041202
If you're interested in learning more about hitler's personality you should check out this book, pretty interesting

>>14041219
You really think the west would have fallen to the east with nordicist supremacists dominating half the world lmao?

>>14041365
lol people like hitler come once every century or two see Napoleon

>>14041529
Stalin was only concerned about Jews in high positions of power of which he dealt brutally and swiftly.

Hitler murdered fucking potato farmer peasants and low profile ghetto cobbler/shoemaker Jews.

>>14041573
Hitler didn't kill many jews, the vast majority died of typhus.

>>14041202
Austrians are mostly bark and no bite. The reason why the Axis powers lost is because they weren't antagonistic enough. The Allies were the bigger antagonists of WWII. But Hitler was a romantic, and that's why he's glorified over the other world leaders during the war.

>>14041510
>But mooom why do people talk about thing i dont liiiike?!?!?!

>>14041926
Talk about books you subhumans

>>14041920
>The reason why the Axis powers lost is because they weren't antagonistic enough. The Allies were the bigger antagonists of WWII. But Hitler was a romantic, and that's why he's glorified over the other world leaders during the war.
This.

>>14041211
Doubt.

>>14041573
Jews living in England didn't buy those jews out of Germany. Those jews should be paying 'reparations', but then again, jews should be paying reparations to Russians.
I suppose 'render unto Satan what is his' is the story of our time.

>>14041365
books on how to be like Putin?

>>14042032
You should born that way, you can't learn it

>>14041213
Stalin was definitely the cooler dude, even killed more people too. Hitler's the comic book villain, cartoonishly evil just because. Stalin's the complex, almost antihero character, with a lot of depth and subtlety to him.

>>14041233
He didn't do it personally, retard.

>>14041202
I feel meh about him. He was a nationalistic leader who channeled tribal passions. Many others did the same.
He's only relevant because
1. the country he led was historically significant
2. we're in an anti-nationalistic zeitgeist, so he's being used as a poster child villain
and
3. the group of people he targeted the hardest have enormous influence in the media and elsewhere

>>14042066
checked, but I still disagree. Hitler was the failed artist, cultivated and ridiculously versed in music. The Wagner family accepted him in their inner circle because they were so baffled by his knowledge about opera. Additionally Hitler's evilness stands in contrast to his sense of family, nature and homeland.

Stalin is just an untermensch atheistic materialistic bad guy with no style.

>>14041535
true that, also his memoires from his time in Spandau. Speer was the person who knew Hitler best imao

>>14041213
I'm a Mao guy myself, but I agree Stalin's far more interesting than Hitler. Hitler bores me for the same reason Trump does: he's so transparent.

>>14042156
>I'm a Mao guy myself
yikes

>>14042156
Kek fuck off you subversive commie nigger your as clear as day

>>14041213
>5'3
Lole

>>14042156
Ken fuck off you subversive leftist nigger you glow in the dark

>>14041202
He was genuinely devoted to his cause. That's admirable.

>>14041242
>>14041252
>Still using the 11m number when even orthodox historians have long debunked it.

Pretty good beta to alpha story desu

>still believing Hitler was evil
Grow up.

>>14041233
[citation needed]

>>14042227
I don't know what this is supposed to mean but I voted Trump and have never supported a leftist. I'm just saying Mao and Stalin are more interesting figures from a literary standpoint.

>>14041242
LOL

>>14041317
You must be Jewish, then...

>>14042138
I think this is the only poster who actually knows a bit about Hitler's personal life

>>14041535
Speer? Give me a break, he wrote what he was told. Try this for an accurate look at AH...
You know David Irving must be right, or they would not try to silence him. You don't need to imprison liars because you can refute. Only the truth needs to be censored.

>>14042271
Have you read the book? Finkelstein thinks Hitler was evil.

>>14041573
>he didnt get the cobbler jew memo

Oh boy, you might wanna keep low for a few days

>>14042249
Source? I'm curious anon

>>14041233
Oh come off it already we know it's bullshit.

>>14041365
There are people who take modern politics seriously here?

>>14041233
>wooden doors

>tfw stuck reading the introduction to an introduction when you really just want to read Guilt and Innocence in Hitler's Germany

>>14041202
Just read The Kindly Ones. The nazis are not so romantic of a concept as you think, nor is evil.

>>14041211
You could list the totality of significant Jewish novelists and poets on your fingers and toes. The ones that are actually good with both hands and your fly unzipped.

>>14041202
Untermensch-tier: He shouldn't be so transparent about his ideas

Ubermensch-tier: Hitler did nothing wrong if you are strong it is necessary to show it

He was like the personification of willpower, an incredibly driven dude who accomplished something unbelievable.

>>14041317
>pol
>lit
>being a newfag and whining about fucking everything
just leave

>>14042406
Could i get sauce on this one?

>>14041202
>what is it about his character that makes people so captivated both in a positive and negative sense?
He is the boogeyman in today's children stories. For example, the frigtening day democracy failed and some evil wizard fooled the nation to vote it away!
Or the holocaust!

>>14042406
wew if true

According to Göring he had a kind of demonic willpower. I wonder where he got his confidence from.

>>14045443
Seeing your people impoverished, your women turned into whores, and your culture and society destroyed by alien semites will imbue any European man of high moral character with a passion only those who have it themselves can understand. The jew is bane of humanity and must be removed finally and for good.

>>14041202
>literary point of view
reject Great Man Theory in all its forms

the nazis came to power because they were backed by German industrialists
german industrialist needed the state to assume a more aggressive posture to fend off threats to their power (foreign capital, the German working class, and the Soviet Union)
so they used their influence to install someone who promised to fufill their needs

>>14041213
Lenin is infinitely more fascinating
>philosopher king
>legendary pragmatism
>did very little wrong

He was a tragic figure as well. He witnessed the political ascendancy of the bureaucracy and the early stages of sabotaging inter-party democracy, but was powerless to stop it due to his failing health.

>>14045588
Should be the default position among whites and would be if we stopped allowing jews to shame us for defending our interests and homelands.

>>14043930
You can say the same for German writers.

>>14045933
No, you couldn't. But German intellectuals have always been more philosophically oriented and less internally loose in terms of expressiveness. Jews are just shit writers because they are semites.

>>14045539
Lenin is obviously very interesting, but you must be a moron to think he's "infinitely more fascinating" than Stalin. On top of having more humble origins, being in power for way longer, being more ruthless, accomplishing more growth, and committing far more evil (also mostly for pragmatic purposes), he fucking won World War II and the turning point was in a city named after him. Stalin is easily the most interesting man of the 20th century.

>>14045963
Jews have as many great writers as the Germans have. Deal with it, /pol/tard.

>>14042431
I just finished the Hitler's War trilogy and I didn't really find it pro-Hitler, it just wasn't vehemently anti-Hitler. My understanding is that the contentious thing he did was attempt to divest Hitler of responsibility for le shoah because he couldn't find any communication from Hitler to the SS to carry out liquidations, and he found many instances where Himmler deliberately hid what he and Heydrich were doing from Hitler, often going against direct orders to keep prisoners alive.
I do recommend Irving though; his books are the most detailed and thorough on the subject that I've read.

>>14045998
I'm Jewish but and I appreciate jewish literature but that's just wrong, if not literally at least in spirit (true in quantity but not in quality). Spinoza is my favorite philosopher but no Jewish writer approaches Goethe, Rilke, or Nietzsche. German writers have something metaphysical about them, this greatness of spirit with such a wide emotional scope. Jewish writers even at their best, are mostly confined to anxiety and neuroticism.

>>14045927
>daaa jooooozzzzz

yikes my guy

>>14046033
You're the self-hating half-Jew from the other thread aren't you?

>>14045998
Lol. No.

>>14046036
Are you jewish?

>>14046033
>Nietzsche
>good
I too remember being 16.

>>14046033
why are so many jews germanophiles? i kind of feel bad for theodor herzl for being rejected by german nationalists desu

>>14046057
We're more similar than history would lead you to believe. Except Germans have Christianity so they're not as neurotic.
>>14046041
nah

>>14042032
join an intelligence agency and get rigorously educated on social engineering, body language, etc.

>>14046090
>. Except Germans have Christianity so they're not as neurotic.
You might be onto something here, Abraham. Doesn't Judaism say that there is no afterlife? That could be one of the reasons for their neurotic personalities.

>>14046042
nah I just dont need to blame all of my problems on da spooky jooooo.

>>14046033
Broch wipes his ass with Rilke.

>>14046100
They're very vague about it. I think the reason we're neurotic is because even though we're the chosen people God hates us and we're constantly disappointing him, according to the religion.

>>14041202
Personally I feel "meh" about him. But to answer your question. What I say below isn't to praise him but to state the facts of his character.
His charisma stems from a feedback loop. He was charismatic because he was the Leader and the Leader because he was charismatic. The nazi party put him at its center, and put the party at the center of Germany, implicating through a transitive property that he would be the focal point of attention. He was manufactured by the party to be an infallible redeemer as per the furherprinzip. WWI inured him to death and gave him a fearsome, implacable demeanor, complete with a hoarse voice from the mustard gas attacks. He was a man of singular purpose and dedication, with a fanatic's determination that made him hard to ignore. He also practiced rhetoric and oratory to transmit his passion and mirror the outrage and self-righteousness of a renewed Germany. The Nazi ideology, at its first inception (before the world conquest and genocide) was looked at with bewilderment and awe by much of the world. It was a bizarre utopianist system that pulled Germany out of its dilapidated state. As the figurehead and political architect of this system, Hitler resonated a magnetic, bewitching aura to those around him. Because Hitler represented this strange new worldview, it lent him a sense of otherworldliness and revolutionary fury.

>>14046101
Understanding the extent and ramifications of the jewish problem requires an IQ in the triple digits. Some like yourself are simply incapable, matter of nature.

>>14046134
>you need high IQ to understand jew-memes

...uh.okay. maybe go back reddit? I hear they do good maymays there

>>14046220
The jewish problem is eternal. The Egyptians wrote extensively about it, that's how old this issue is. That you think it originated from memes on 4chan show what a limited life you lead.

>>14046446
meta-take : yawn

>>14045443
He had a run in with Mephistopheles during his days in the Vienna underground, arguably during the absolute lowest points in his life. How many other thousands of homeless people existed on those streets at that time and in history, and how many exactly have emerged from that muck to become effectively ruler of the German speaking peoples? Truly anyone who did would have demonic willpower, where everything else in their lives would be sacrificed to that will, which is why Hitler often appears opaque in his later years, no one can get an exact finger on his personality because he has sacrificed it. Or rather him, Goering, and Goebbels are all contenders for the Faustian bargain, ironically with Himmler being the only really involved in occultism dying a beta death. In other words the first half of the 20th century was pretty /lit/

>>14046220
>you need high IQ to understand jew-memes
No, you need high IQ to realize that they are not memes you brainlet.

>>14041202
He was an autistic, homeless, obsessive incel whose passion for art outstripped any actual talent he had for it. So yes, he was a kino character.

What's /lit/'s opinion on "Hitler's Private Library: The Books That Shaped His Life"?

>>14046552
Very interesting take. Especially come the war Hitler when the builder and artist was totally and finally supplanted by Hitler the warlord. The process can be seen to unfold in real time as he slowly realizes throughout the 30's that peace with Britain wouldn't be an option.

>>14041213
They are both absolutely based.
Hating one but not the other (usually big bad Hitler while apathetic towards the other) is a certain mark of a pseud.

>>14045268
I love this shit. Jews are so brazen; fucking masturbation machines.

>>14046036
>>14046101

>>14041202
Violence and sex sell. You got this hot babe showing her parts next to a shitbox of a car: men buy the car, it's a great car. You got this massive war where everyone's loved ones died and it changed the face of many towns and cities forever, suddenly the leaders involved are super interesting: you get the fawning over Hitler and Churchill and Stalin etc.

To make a further point: you've seriously fucked up if the country you're governing goes to war, it's about the biggest fuck up you can do. If you manage to do it though plenty of people will crawl out of the woodwork to say how great you are forever pretty much.

>>14045467
>reject Great Man Theory in all its forms
No

>>14041202
He's one of the many mana personality's of history, of which Jung speaks of. The great man which appears once only every hundred or thousand years. The conjiugator, who appears on the scene of the world and shakes its very ground in a matter of seconds. From nothing to suddenly the fear of the world -

Napoleon, Charlemagne, Alexander, Barbarossa, William, Frederick II, etc - Hitler.

>>14048214
But the word appears must be meditated, or thought, on. What does it truly inccur for the great man?

>for there is no sadder proof of a mans own littleness, than his disbelief in great men

>>14047312
>jews are so brazen
I believe it's called "chutzpah."

Firsthand hollowcost stories are some of the best fiction you'll ever read. Masturbation machines are just scratching the surface.

>>14041202
Ultimate rags to riches.

Dude was a foreign homeless guy who went to rule the damn country. That's everyone's dream.

Bump

>>14048896
....Stalin?

>>14041202
I don't think he's uniquely fascinating, we just have a lot of Jewish people in the intelligentsia who predictably think about Hitler a lot.

>>14041202

Why don't we ask the people who lived under his rule?

>>14050381

>>14041202
Because he's the fulcrum point for the key conflict of modern history

>>14041233
Of course he did anon. Of course he did.

>>14050134
Stalin was a chad, so he had the looks going for him. Hitler had literally nothing. An ugly peasant from Bumfuck, Austria.

>>14041317
Yes I agree. Ban all those who will not bow to world Jewry!

all these tyrants have a bit of banality to their being. there's something very third-rate and unnatural, but not stupid exactly, about them.
mediocre

>>14042156
As if Hitler and Trump were remotely similar in characteristics or politics

>>14041365
Wasn't he quite popular in the West until he kicked out the (((oligarchs)))?

Then suddenly he was a monster in the Western media.

It's almost as if...

>>14051700
... he invaded poland?

Enjoy the battle on this board. It's a foreshadowing of the cultural conflict of the next few decades.

>>14051735
Ah, I love me some fresh Pilpul in the morning

>>14051735
No he kicked out the (((oligarchs))) and put The Gulag Archipelago on the school syllabus.

And the (((media))) are rabid about it.

As are the (((banks)))

And (((Hollywood)))

And of course most of (((DC))), particularly (((The State Department)))

Didn't (((you))) understand the point I was making anon? Or were you misdirecting?

>>14046033
Exactly. Kafka is first class. He totally nails the neurotic aspect of the Jewish spirit.

>>14046033
>German writers have something metaphysical
*had

>>14045588
>>14045927
how does DL and subsequently anyone who defends their homeland deal with the argument that if you look farther back enough everyone looks like an immigrant and immigration is a constantly occurring phenomenon

>>14051922
That's nature, mother fucker: group competition. The only reason white countries are being invaded is because we've been swindled from within by kikes.

Jesus Christ, I come to /lit/ to get away from all the /pol/ shit, fuck me where am I to go

>>14041202
It's probably because a lot of people in the West before WWII, and especially before the public's discovery of the concentration camps, found him to be likeable and charismatic, potentially even a model for other world leaders to follow and perhaps even aspire to.

The idea that any leader can showcase such a handling of internal politics and personal relation/public image will also masking atrocity is something not a lot of people are comfortable with. He's fascinating because there's no reason any other leader held in a positive light today or any day COULDN'T turn out to be the next Hitler without a key and horrifying revelation or two.

I don't know what that would take nowadays, especially since we're incredibly desensitized and conditioned to accept that our heads of state engage in atrocities every day. But I think that's why people find him so captivating in an abstract/symbolic sense.

>>14041365
>putin
>fake
No matter your perspective on him he is a genius. The greatest strategist of our time, the Russians won the world civil war and began the collapse of the American/Western empire.

>>14051941
The jewish problem is mainstream now. Has nothing to do with pol. Perhaps your wittle feefees will be more comfortable with r*ddit mods protecting you from reality?

>>14041242

... with his bear hands.

>>14041573

It was Himmler’s fault.

>>14042431
>born in 1938 in england
>knew hitler well

>i'm you but better

He became the primary example of 'ultimate evil' on which the current liberal-democratic world order bases its moral paradigm. This is what evil is, and we are opposed to it, so we are good.
As consequence, the alienated losers of the world order will turn to him sympathetically, or in edgy rebellion. Hence, cringey pathetic neo-nazis and /pol/tards who idolize him.
It's the same situation as basement dwelling satanists.

>>14052886
Started out strong but proved yourself a faggot with the last part.

>>14052893
What do you disagree with me on? I am not going to withhold my disdain for the willfully ignorant, or those who want to knowingly worship what is characterized as being wholly evil. Nothing annoys me more than people who characterize Satan, who was created specifically to be evil (whose name means 'adversary') , as secretly good; at that point just find any other god to worship instead of trying to enforce your headcanon. At least with sympathetic portrayals of Judas, there is enough ambiguity in the source material and early belief to make a case. The most you can do with Satan is make him pitiful, as Milton does.
To return to Hitler, I have not seen a respectable admirer of Hitler in the modern age. Those who fully idolize a man, particularly that man, to such an extent that they cannot reconcile even the slightest criticism are willfully ignorant. I call them as I see them.

>>14052910
You are a sperg. Nothing to do with admiring Hitler, but spergs like yourself should know better than to counter-signal against people who are clearly more mentally competent than yourself. Devote more sperg time to the JQ. Sad, bro.

>>14041926
>books and literature

>>14041211
>History is written by the victors
>Actually, history is written by the literate, and Jews are the proof

>>14053033
Thats some big boy logic

He was a great man, pure and noble in spirit, if you have good in you, you love him deep down

>>14042156
The only interesting thing about Mao is the scale of his fuckups.

>>14041202
>what is it about his character that makes people so captivated ... in a ... negative sense?
Being subjected to continual propaganda for your entire life about how he's the most evil human to have ever lived, I think.

>>14045588
Go back to Tibet then.

>>14041233
Plenty of leaders have caused the death of more.
>>14041202
Media

>>14050394
This really exemplifies pol to me, i've known poltards in real life and they are incredibly credulous people.
They'll visit this website and immerse themselves in this social group and then hear a collection of vague anecdotes before deciding that everything the mainstream thinks is wrong, always very poorly read and ideologically possessed.

>>14054160
>Plenty of leaders have caused the death of more.
Jewish lives count more than gentiles you fucking antisemite.

>>14052923
Lol, 0 self awareness.

>>14054218
Says the sperg who refuses to look at primary historical evidence...

> Waa I want my binary WW2 narrative back. I grew up with it and I miss it!!!

>>14054200
> Yep. Stupid poltards doubting all these rock solid Jewish claims

Now remember the 6 million goy!

>>14041233
Jews are not people therefore don't count.

>>14054200
This

>>14054683
You're judt proving him right, most of those ridiculous claims were either rumors or testimony originating from single dubious groups not written by historians (or jews). It takes 30s to check, you're truly retarded if you fall for this kind of picture.

>>14041233
What do you mean he killed? It was war. He was a leader of one of the sides. You don't say that Churchill killed x many people or that Truman killed x many Japs do you?

>>14054806
>dammit goyim, believe these absurd lies no proof exists for

>>14054806
>most of those ridiculous claims were either rumors or testimony originating from single dubious groups not written by historians (or jews).
Then why the fuck was I taught all of that in high school, cunt?

>>14054856
Not sure if you're legit or just baiting, so I'm just going to give you a single exemple.

The lamp originate from a rumor spreading about some big wig in a camp who had a shaded lamp. During the denazifications trials he was accused by some guy to have a lampshade made of human skin. The trial investigated and found out it was't true. Yet the rumor remained in anglo countriies (never heard anything like that in mine). So it's not some kind of vast jewish deceptions but just americans being gullible retards, like always.

>>14054875
You simply weren't. And knowing deniers retarded drive, if they could find a schoolbook with those infos in it they would have uploaded it long ago.

>>14054897
Nah bro, jews are just sociopathic liars.

Barely a month goes by that some old kike "survivor" doing goyim-shaming high school tours doesn't get caught lying about never having been in some death camp he was never at.

Masturbation machines, etc. Never expect jews to be honest about anything, and especially something related to their group victim narrative.

>>14054941
>btfo you with evidences
>nooooo my beliefs are valids!

Proove that >>14054683 claims were pushed by the generals mainstreams jewish medias or actual historians. If you can't do that, then excuse yourself.

>>14054200

So no criticism of the claims. Just an appeal to ridicule. Almost like you're using empty rhetoric....

>>14055033
The evidence for the holohoax besides first-hand jewish tales is nonexistent, that's the issue.

>>14041202
>what is it about his character that makes people so captivated
Low iq.

>>14054806

> most of those ridiculous claims were either rumors or testimony originating from single dubious groups not written by historians (or jews)

They were ALL written by Jews.

>>14055141
This a whole another subject though one were you dtill suffer from the same retardation: the incapacity to spebd 30s to google something.

Our current talk is about how all jews pushed ridiculous claims. This is something you believe in yet cannot prove.

>>14055166
How much are you willing to bet on that? What will you do if I prove you wrong?

where did all og /lit/fags go? I’m here after like 2 years and quality has only gotten worse. /pol/tards have successfully conquered this place too it seems. Oh well, guess I’ll join local book club instead of again visiting this shitshow of a site.

>>14055190
>pol/tards have successfully conquered this place
It's called people getting redpilled.

>>14055206
>btfo a /pol/tard
>he immediatly switch to a new argument until people gets tired and leave

Just look at this thread.

>>14055190
We got redpilled by truth. Get used to it as this conflict is spreading everywhere.

>>14055220
You haven't won anything you lying shill.

It's literally illegal to challenge Jewish claims in much of the West.

That's how much they don't want normies doing their own research.

>>14055220

OY VEY

>>14055134
It's complete bullshit. Right at the start, where it claims the nazis issued a new currency in 1933, is false for exemple. Reichsmarks were already in use years before that.

As for the economic prosperity of germany, well, the states was investing massively into the army (which they could do only because germany ALREADY were a powerful european nation) and other related buisness, while the benefits of peasants(~40% of the population) stayed the same, creating the beginning of an inflation they only staved by going to war. But since Hitler's goal was to conquer eastern europe and germanize it, it was no problem.

>>14055220
Does your life revolve around your hatred of some random neighboring 4chan board you never visit? Do you think others spend all day on here like you and get all of their information from this one website? Can you fathom that people who are into literature are capable of realizing through life and other vehicles that jews are not super special chosen people who have been oppressed, but liars and the main people behind the current system fucking white people over?

>>14055241
then please answers

>>14055175
>>14054806

>>14055249
so if some italians guy said the roman empire never existed you'd believe it? please see >>14054200

>>14055277
>The /pol/ster is immunized against all dangers: one may call him a liar, parasite, shitposter, retard, it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But call him a /pol/ster and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: “I’ve been found out.”

>>14055289
>/pol/ster
>ster
It's /pol/ack.

>>14055289
You sound paranoid. People have always disliked jews, pol doesn't matter, kid.

>>14055300
I prefer my own version of the word; I apply my aesthetic will as I please. And according to my limited comprehension of english, /pol/ster would be correct.

>>14055278

Why aren't you addressing the false narrative that is the Holocaust?

>>14055319
>kid
Shut the fuck up, senile /pol/fag

>>14055330
So you're still trying to shift the argument Alright.
Since you're the one who state that the holocaust is false, you have three posts to prove your claim.

>>14053891
This, I didnt bother reading all the posts filled with hate here, we need love not hate now, Heil Hitler 1488

>>14055359
Did your grandfather also barely escape the masturbation machine of death? Or was he at the camp with the oven-dump roller-coaster?

>>14051922
>veryone looks like an immigrant
lmao, what?

>migration happened in past therefore it good and desirable
is that your argument?

>>14055359
The sites and documents concerning the holocaust are in possession of your side, who don't allow free investigation, therefore it's impossible to disprove holocaust, but your side has also failed to prove, there is some evidence but majority of the holocaust "evidence" is hypothesis of things would have functioned instead of actual proof of how they did.

>>14055425
Already addressed this itt, please don't be more of an idiot you already are

>>14055501
>therefore it's impossible to disprove holocaust
Glad we all agree on that. Goodbye.

>>14055501
>The sites and documents concerning the holocaust are in possession of your side, who don't allow free investigation
Well yeah, countries generally don't let random peoples investigate what they deems to be important historical sites. You can still check mountains of testimonies, photos and documents

> there is some evidence but majority of the holocaust "evidence" is hypothesis of things would have functioned instead of actual proof of how they did.
Well then you better start doubting the entire history of mankind. Until we invent time machines, documents, testimonies and whatever physical remains are all we have to go on. Can you really say the roman empire existed? What proof do you have? What if someone made up the artefacts? etc

>>14055561
>Already addressed this itt, please don't be more of an idiot you already are
Not him but, thread is tldr, which post? So you are jewish?

>>14053033
Jews are both literate and victors.

>>14055561
Did evil Dr. Mengele sew a child's scrotum onto granny Levin's back before sicing wolves with poisoned teeth on her, just before she miraculously escaped?

>>14055608
>>14054897
>>14054806

I guess the most legit thing is the holocoster but as far as I can tell the book from where it is from seems to source it from some canadian witness.

>>14055615
one post left, bruh, use it well.

>>14046552
Based

Hitler is The Fisher King of Arthurian Legend

Wrap your heads around that.

Time will prove this.

>>14041202
He had the power to order the death and torture of millions of people. He's evil. Only edgy /pol/tards believe he's good and his actions justified.

>>14041553
Stalin and Hitler are products of modernity, and represent the nadir (or apogee) of ideology manifesting itself in individual political figures in industrialized societies.

Napoleon was not this. He was made possible by the forces of Revolution and Enlightenment that may have made industrialization possible, but he also was supremely intelligent, possibly "the most competent human being who ever lived." He was Alexander-tier, and probably the most remarkable conqueror in the West since the ancient world (or at least Charlemagne).

Hitler and Stalin were none of these things.

>>14051961

He's a success in the sense that his propaganda has been insanely successful, both at home and abroad amongst useful idiot Westerners. To what extent he is entirely responsible for that as an individual is debatable.

The legacy of Soviet military might allows Russia to punch above its weight class, but at the end of the day its a country of 140 million people (rapidly declining) with a GDP smaller than Australia (of 20 million). Crippled by alcohol, drugs, and a catastrophic birth rate (fueled by he highest abortion rate in the world), Russia has few avenues for long-term strategic success. In economic terms, it's already becoming a Chinese satellite.

>>14055818
Oh dear Oh dear.

Russia is rising fast and nothing you say will change that.

>>14045539
>wrong
imagine being this cucked by spooks like right ot wrong

>>14046036
>daaaa whiteeeeeeeey

>>14055794
I don't get the people who think of Alexander the great and Napoleon and those types of guys as the greatest human beings. The guys who invaded countries and killed people for no reason other than vanity are hailed by history as great, yet the scientists and inventors who created all these things that make our lives better, no one gives a shit about. Atleast Hitler and Stalin had some ideology for an excuse, Napoleon was just some guy who was talented as a general and had a lot territory at his hands-truly remarkable.

>>14041202
Is he really that recognized as a literary figure? Him being a political hot topic is a no-brainer, but how many people have actually read Mein Kampf, and, how does this compare to the readings given to books of other political big-names?

>>14056036
Briefly, Napoleon's legacy is a shit ton more complex then you realize. The Napoleonic code was truly transformative for Europe, and his invasions and the revolutionary ideology (yes, ideology) he spread was the seed of nationalism in Germany and other parts of Europe.

His military tactics (adoption of the corps system, massed artillery through central command) and that of the Revolution (levee en mass, aka mass conscription) transformed warfare.

Alexander was also incredibly important. I don't care to elaborate here.

Your mistaking my indication of these people as being important or influential as some kind of moral endorsement. I would do no such thing. But if you mistake their legacy for "smash stuff bad" then you just don't understand history.

>>14055929
> Impossible demographics
> Half of all Russian men dead by alcoholism before 50
> Economic retraction and shrinkage, nation becoming indebted to Eastern Dragon

Refute any of this or shut up.

>>14041213

Just contributing that yes, Stalin was more interesting. So many dramatic beats to his life.

>>14041317
>violence is spoken

>>14055323
Newfag, kys.

>>14053033
You have to be intentionally stupid to believe jewish claims, both accusations and boast.

>>14056118
> Russian birth rates rising fast
> Christianity exploding in popularity with attendant improvement in social mores
> Sanctions allowed Russia to become far more diversified economically.
> Ten years ahead of US in air defence. Literally untouchable on home soil
> Miniscule levels of debt. Massive buying of Gold for currency reset.

Putin's game plan is clearly to set Russia up to explode once they pull away from the dollar. A recent key aspect of this was gaining the power to change the central bank policy which was written by the neocons and, until recently, forced Russian enterprise to borrow at 11% p.a

Stop reading Western propaganda you dumbfuck American.

Or stop lying about the fact that Jews slaughtered the middle class and elites and ran Russia for almost 100 years. Putin kicked you out and you will NEVER have a foothold there again. He foils your plans, as he did in Ukraine and Syria.

Amazing that no one here knows that Stalin, like Churchill, was almost certainly a jew.

>>14041202
/lit/ - History & Humanities

>>14056118
> Half of all Russian men dead by alcoholism before 50

Social problems like the above have been drastically reversed under Putin. Jews ruled the Soviet Union for decades or were influential by proxy before Putin, so jewish cultural poison led to catastrophic social problems, like those we see in the west currently under jewish rule with the opioid epidemic created by the jewish Sackler family.

Putin went after the jewish oligarchs, low-key purged them, and has implemented social policies that have reversed a lot of damage, like early death rate among Russian men. This is why jews hate him and are trying to force the US into war with Russia. Many of the jews you see on CNN, NBC, etc., pushing for that came to the US from Russia late last century.

>>14056789
>Stop reading Western propaganda you dumbfuck American.
Sounds like what a russian plant would say.

>muh joo
Yep definitively a ruskie

>>14056118
>>> Half of all Russian men dead by alcoholism before 50
Alcohol consumption per capita in Russia has declined 40% since the 80s-90s peak.
There is still an alcoholism problem like in every country but it's nowhere near this ridiculous image.
There is a rising opioid epidemic though. In spite of CIA nigger controlling many fields, all of that production from Afghanistan finds an easy market in Russia with shorter transportation and physical impossibility to suppress the traffic.

>>14051663
Stalin was disfigured by acne in his youth. It was so bad he kept several scars from it for life. He even had officials pictures showing this doctored to mask them. He could send millions people to die but was still insecure about it well into old age. That's why he always kept the incel mindset even after becoming big daddy.
The manner in which he cucked his officiers into submission and demeaned women is telling.
That only makes Stalin more based. Also Hitler actually was a Chad. How many men in history could manage to look good in shorts + high socks?

>>14056847
Ha! You're not ever trying now. You've given up. Where's the famous 'high IQ'?

Tucker Carlson calling out 'criminal elements' running the country on his show.

109? Going to be a lot more soon....

>>14057106
xaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxa pidorashka

>>14041202
Because he embodies two distinct and fascinating ideas that have never managed to be reconciled in a single individual: the figure of the Romantic genius; and the nature of absolute evil. The consequence of this was that he brought into existence something that the world had never seen before: the industrialized extermination of an entire people; to see men, women, and children starved, beaten, broken, poisoned, and deliberately tortured etc... in the millions and with the utmost cruelty is something that staggers the imagination. People can't understand it.

>>14045256
/pol/

>>14051922
If something is going to have bad effects, then what does it matter that something vaguely similar (though ultimately very different in many ways) occurred in the past? What is there to deal with? You haven't even presented an argument.

>>14058042
the argument is that it's not necessarily bad

>>14058084
P1. Many countries have frequently experienced a lot of immigration
P2. Some of these countries are doing well
C. Mass immigration (that is, many tens of millions every year) of Africans and Asians into Europe is a good thing

Just a totally ridiculous argument. For the argument to be valid the kind of immigration being described in P1 would have to be similar to the kind of immigration being described in the conclusion. But if that kind of immigration has been frequently experienced by European countries, then why have they historically been almost 100% white? Something just isn't adding up there.

Of course, other kinds of immigration have occurred. But if you try to make an argument using those kinds you get something like this:

P1. Many countries have had experience A
P2: Some of those countries have done well
C. Countries that have experience B will do well

>>14056847
stop lying you fucking kike. you will be slaughtered once again.

>>14058397
weak
what qualifies as doing well

>>14042454
which is the real serrano

>>14045588
literally hitler

>>14058420
If you reject P2 then you reach the same conclusion as me anyway.

>>14058408
deep sigh

>>14058434
i.e., that the argument is ridiculous

>>14056716
>he thinks any historical account is truthful

>>14042138
>Hitler was the failed artist
His art was decent, though he would likely never have become a master if he had kept on that path. I have heard accusations that his art was not fitting to the current mold of his generation enough for his instructor's tastes, though I have seen no source for this.

>>14045466
It was not just the women. Also, forget not the "Heuschrecken". Further, your use of the term "Semite" is a conflation of the Jews with other Semites that was a dialectic of distraction contrived by Moritz Steinschneider:
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism

>>14048232
I am currently reading "Night" and I am making note of the obvious lies.

>>14058506
Highlighting that jews are semites is the best strategy, as it makes a distinction that they aren't white, and rightly categorizes them with arabs, whom nobody likes.

>>14057106
He's not talking about jews schizo

>>14051700
you realise putin is an oligarch?

>>14056789
> Birthrates rising fast

Demonstrably false

> Christianity exploding with popularity

Hollow shell of ritual that gilds a largely faithless society

> Sanctions good

lmao

> Ten years ahead

Ok this is troll territory, or you're retarded.

>>14056836
Putin has tried to use the Church as a tool to reinforce "family values," and his plan has been a failure. Again, lowest birthrates in Europe, and drug and alcohol problems that make rural America look like the Jetsons.

>>14042138
Who the fuck cares what the Wagner family thought. Hitler was obsessed from Wagner from childhood and thats about it. Wagners family set up a cult around him from which they got money in subscriptions across Germany, and it was Hitler fit this mold of obsessive fan. It had nothing to do with Hitler having some intimate knowledge of Opera in general

>>14051922
>dude it's just like an appeal to nature but it's not a fallacy
>also nobody ever fought back in history ever they just welcomed the immigrants #onelove

>>14051700
>until he kicked out the (((oligarchs)))?
You do know that it's only thanks to Putin that oligarchs and siloviki (cadres of security services) are in full possession of modern Russia, and that the only oligarchs Putin got rid of were enemies of him and his cronies?

>>14059995
Big difference between a Russian oligarch and a kike oligarch.

>>14055166
>Bruno Baum, President of East Germany
/pol/tards, if you post your ridiculous jpg's with unsourced quotes to prove the "holohoax" never happened, could you retards at least post some which aren't factually incorrect on the very first glance?

>>14041202
He's responsible for the deaths of tens of millions, he lied about his ideology, murdered his own comrades, systematized genocide, refused to acknowledge the truth about his own shortcomings even after all he had built fell apart around him, then took the easy way out like a coward. A stain on everything good humanity has ever tried to accomplish on the political, intellectual or personal level. And somehow there are still people who worship him.

In a word, Hitler is the terror of World War I embodied. Without WWI Hitler would have never become what he did. Many people don't know that Hitler had one of the most dangerous, traumatic jobs in the army during the war. He was a message courier, which required him to run through no man's land, littered with unspeakable gore and slaughter, hundreds of times. He passed seas of mutilated corpses and learned that death and violence was as natural as breathing. If these noble soldiers were to die like they meant nothing, then anyone who stood in his way could be similarly discarded. The evil spirit of WWI found its avenging avatar of destruction in Hitler.

Those to whom evil is done
Do evil in return.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLUTpb8XiwA

>>14041202
He serves as a boogeyman figure so that people in the west can be told a narrative where evil incarnate was defeated by the "good guys" 70 years ago. People are too occupied killing nazi zombies and masturbating over holocaust movies to worry about present (or past) day slaughter of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilian people.

>>14058476
I am a fine artist and the academy refused his portfolio since he was really bad at figure drawings where the poses of the figures were stiff and uninteresting and his paintings didnt have anything original or unique in them despite being technically impressive environments wise.Even some of the jury said that he has more talent for architecture.

>>14060004
Does a Russian oligarch patriotically rob the people, bribe government officials and murder his competitors?

>>14057970
This is the cringiest shit I've ever read on this website. Kys boomer retard.

>>14058540
I disagree. It distracts from the real issue at hand: behavior. If the Jews behaved in a reasonable manner in their host nations then they would not be a problem. Lumping them racially with others lends towards ignoring the behavior and focusing on race, which is not the proximal issue - regardless of whether or not the behavior is ontological.

>>14060004
>Russian oligarch
>kike oligarch
Which one is Lenin?

>>14060198
>which aren't factually incorrect on the very first glance?
Not him, but complaining about it without including the easy rebuttal is just as weak.

>>14042074
>Holding full responsibility over the officers perpetuating a genocide, with full power to stop it or fire/execute perpetuators
>Doesn't

He's literally more responsible than the people who individually did it: ALL the deaths lay at his feet.

>>14041202
Were seeing very similar things again. If you look at what Hitler did it was he passioned the Germans. They were people suffering defeat and poverty and he gave them so much passion, which was his own, to them. It lifted them out emotionally and made them want Germany to succeed and so well. He's like the greatest motivational coach ever. Imagine him in the gym he's be like making you think every rep was life or death and that God was pulling the bar with you. So you have this leader who is essentially pulling on their heartstrings. And because of their situation they are right there with him. Now what are we seeing in America? You're thinking I'm going to say trump right? Well, trump is actually a very apathetic speaker. He just gets up and talks. Most Republicans do they're very milquetoastesque, or however you spell it. Now look at the Democrats. They go up and they often get angry and empassioned, telling their supporters how bad and evil and unfair everything is. I mean, these are all people with money and smartphones and decent lives, really. But they've conjured a boogie an the same way Hitler, to a somewhat true extent, used the Jews. Its ALL TRUMPS FAULT. ITS ALL RICH WHITE CONSERVATIVES FAULTS. Really, if you want to blame anyone you'd have to either blame bad government spending, the bank bailouts, or not enough of a tax on the middle class, since the upper tax bracket with the mega rich doesn't bring much revenue. And then you can look at the unavoidable element of minimum wage raises effecting inflation and, but that's another thing. So when you look at these people you really see them railing their base up, using boogiemen, pulling on their heart strings with bullshit, and trying to impart their own motivation onto them to lift them out and sortve bring them into this emotional war where they are fighting for their neo German people and way of life to take down the big Jewish banking cartel somehow holding them down.

>>14059191
chosenite propaganda. luckily truth trumps your narrative.

Larger families are becoming a trend. Churches being built all over Russia. (sorry Shlomo, the orthodox KNOW you killed Christ)
Sanctions have allowed Putin to reformat the Russian economy effectively
And if you don't know about the s400 you're totally ignorant on military defence.

You clearly know nothing of russia that isn't published in the Washington Post or the Kvetching Times.

Either that or you're just lying through your teeth.

Which is a possibility

>>14058581
Putin is a politician you cretin.

The oligarchs were a Jewish cabal who were tasked with destroying Russia by balkanization and then starvation.

They failed, and the kvetching began

>>14061097
Lenin was Jewish. Jews change their names. Russians don't.

>>14060198
The audacity of your barefaced lies is fucking astounding. The quotes are sourced. You fucks will say anything to try and discredit truth won't you?

Here's a link to Bruno Baum

https://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Bruno_Baum

>>14041221
>David Irving
Doesn't he deny the holocaust?

>>14061084
How is race a proximal issue? It is the environmental and group selection pressures jews and arabs have uniquely undergone as genetic cousins that is responsible for their hostile tribal nature toward racial out-groups.

>>14041365
>fake charisma
what does that even mean?

The simple fact is Nazi propagand is extremely well done, combining extreme nostalgia, music and fervor elevates hitler and the reich to a fictional level of being a perfect state with a leader who loved it unconditionally. Just look at this shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTnw189OmlY

>>14062420
Charisma that is fake.

>>14062665
What's wrong with a people being proud of their identity, culture, and heritage?

>>14062680
>What's wrong with a people being proud of their identity, culture, and heritage?
nothing =)

He was in the right time at the right place. The decision to broadcast his trial also has an awful lot to do with it. People who think that he was able to make Nazism into a movement by himself have no grasp of modern European conservative and reactionary moments. Fascists and Communists had been battling in the streets long before Hitler's rise. The allure of Hitler's person is pretty exaggerated, and was the result in large part of highly sophisticated propaganda.

>>14062680
Fascism has nothing to do with "being proud of one's heritage." It's all aesthetics drenched in nostalgia. Read your Walter Benjamin buddy.

>>14062719
>Fascism has nothing to do with "being proud of one's heritage."
it explicitly does according to the actual Fascists themselves

>>14062719
>Read your Walter Benjamin buddy.
Why business does a kike have to tell Germans how to run their society?

>>14062086
Yep he says it was only 3 million. I mean how evil can you get...

>>14062730
>They say it is therefore it is!
Heritage and tradition are only valued by fascists insofar as it is an aesthetic heritage and culture. It's not as though tradition is being upheld but instead it's the image of that tradition, therefore hollowed out of any actual meaning, that they're interested in.

>Fascism sees its salvation in giving the masses not their rights, but instead a chance to express themselves. The masses have a right to change property relations; Fascism seeks to give them an expression while preserving property.

>Fascism, as Marinetti admits, expects war to supply the artistic gratification of a sense perception that has been changed by technology. Mankind, which in Homer's time was an object of contemplation for the Olympian gods, now is one for itself. Its self-alienation has reached such a degree that it can experience its own destruction as an aesthetic pleasure of the first order. This is the situation of politics which Fascism is rendering aesthetic. Communism responds by politicizing art.

>>14062731
Benjamin had such an excellent grasp on how Fascism functioned that even Carl Schmitt thought he was among the smartest of his generation (as did many other contemporary reactionaries)

>>14062874
Benjamin was a jew, a semite from the middle east. Jews have no business being in the west in the first place, let alone pretending to be authorities on how western countries should be governed and run. "Fascism" was only ever a response to jewish bolshevism, the national version of an immune system response to an internal virus.

>>14041545
Nordicism was a bad idea because it's (and I say this with the deepest respect for Germany and for the Nordic race) wewuz tier retarded bullshit. Rosenberg was an absolute nut and Spengler was right about Hitler not fitting the needs of the Caesarean role as well as Mussolini.

>>14062957
Cool post. Go back to /pol/

>>14062874
You people are fucking insufferable, try actually reading the Fascist texts
>No im not going to see what Fascists actually said ill just psychoanalyze them or some shit

Let me just call all of socialism envy then, that is literally the level of intellectual honesty you're operating on you faggot

>>14062975
Bro have you even read the Futurist Manifesto? It's explicitly concerned with aesthetics.

>>14062988
Have you read the doctrine of Fascism?
>In the Fascist conception of history, man is man only by virtue of the spiritual process to which he contributes as a member of the family, the social group, the nation, and in function of history to which all nations bring their contribution. Hence the great value of tradition in records, in language, in customs, in the rules of social life (8). Outside history man is a nonentity.

>>14062971
While I disagree with the fine points of his post, it's true that a communist Jew's "bro it's just a lightshow" opinion of fascism is about as interesting or intellectually worthwhile as a tick's
>>14062988
>a art movement was concerned with aesthetics
>this is given special relevance because said movement was fascist

>>14041510
i love the 4chan move of denouncing racists while using the word nigger so you can make sure people dont think you are some normie square dogmatically anti racist instead of like circumstantially anti racist

>>14063011
>a art movement was concerned with aesthetics
>The first major, intellectual Fascist movement in Europe
Anyway, Benjamin takes Fascism deadly seriously. But he also thinks it's largely a sham used to divert the worst effects of capitalism via aesthetics and Schmitt's "us vs them" notion of politics. Please read books.

>>14063004
The question, that Benjamin is trying to articulate, is what is the real relationship between Fascism and the "tradition" it attempts to uphold? How is it that Nazism and Futurism, which rejects tradition outright, are a part of the same movement, the same basic ideology? It's that the relationship to tradition and heritage is purely that of an image. Tradition is no longer tradition but the image of what tradition ought to be. This is how the Nazis in particular are able to combine "tradition" with mass industrialization and state capitalism, which inherently and constantly upend the status quo through the market and class destabilization/conflict.

>>14062971
Rock solid retort

>>14063069
You should try to understand that Benjamin and the other Frankfurt School jews were deconstructing nationalist movements from an ethnic perspective, because they turned out to be bad for jews. This is how tribal people think. Viewing a jew like Benjamin as some objective expert on something jews didn't like, and believing his own ethnic identity wasn't directly correlated with his critique of the goyim becoming self-conscious of their own ethnic identity and why that was bad for jews, is low-info thinking at its finest.

>>14063069
He literally explains it, the Fascists see a nation as a kind of spiritual organism, you can't uproot tradition without killing the organism, any future development has to spring organically from the past.

>>14063106
>From an ethnic perspective
Damn you're just fuckin stupid. I'm sick of muh joos ""arguments""
Seriously, go back to /pol/

>>14063013
I'm racist but i don't like fanatical spergs who push unfalsifiable conspiracy garbage with a grug like dogmatism.

>>14063119
If you think an uber-tribal race like jews does not view everything from their own ethnic perspective first you are beyond stupid.

>>14063069
I think you can take something seriously without your perspective on it being serious. Benjamin's perspective is, charitably, a rehash of the typical communist line regarding fascism that it's a "fake" capitalist movement, reworked to accommodate the fact that Blackshirts generally don't bother you if you're not a subversive faggot (contrary to the belief of "capitalism in decay" spouters), and uncharitably it's Jewish garbage designed to attack a movement that is even in its mildest forms implicitly hostile to his race.

Also, you didn't refute my point about art movements being concerned with aesthetics, you just reiterated that they were fascists as though that makes Benjamin's theory true.

>>14063114
>You can't uproot tradition without killing the organism
Capitalism literally kills tradition and social cohesion. This is Marx 101

>>14063131
Benjamin rejected being Jewish so hard that Gershom Scholem almost stopped being his (virtually only) friend

>>14063119
>Jews advocate for themselves
>w-wow just wow
lmao shut the fuck up Frankfurt School retard

>>14063119
>you can't make that sort of argument
lol why not? Try arguing against it

Do you have a problem with Adorno shitting all over white christians, or is that different than anon criticizing Jews

>>14063138
>Capitalism literally kills tradition and social cohesion. This is Marx 101
yeah the Fascists are not exactly fans of Marx, they're explicitly anti-materialist and have different views on the crisis of modernity. Jesus christ just read the Mussolini text I linked

>>14063138
>Capitalism literally kills tradition and social cohesion
No shit, why do you think fascists are anticapitalist? inb4 you say they're not while neofascists are the only remaining political force not assimilated into neoliberalism

>>14063138
>Benjamin rejected being Jewish
Please. The jewish hypertribal ethos is so baked in that even if this were superficially true it wouldn't matter one bit.

>>14063133
>Rehash
It's really the origin of this critique of fascism, anyway, your response doesn't engage with the analysis at all, where I even extend it to Nazism. You're the one who needs to refute it at this point with something other than "it's Jewish."

>>14063145
I have no interest in Adorno.

>>14063163
Are you saying it's not Jewish, then?

>>14063153
How are fascists against Capitalism materially, when the Nazi economic model is what even coined the phrase "privatization." Please explain how they aren't functionally capitalists.

>>14063176
I don't know what that means

>>14063217
>muh privatization
The National Socialists privatized and nationalized as was needed at the time, because they were pursuing a goal of class cooperation. Meanwhile the Fascists proper nationalized the economy to such a degree that it was only surpassed by the USSR. Both states implemented reforms that would earn cheers from socialists if the fascists hadn't eaten their lunch. It's not for nothing that Payne claims both European fascist states had as a long-term goal the elimination of capitalism.

What "capitalism in decay" really means is merely that fascism is not Marxist, and so historical materialism can only maintain a veneer of legitimacy by relegating non-Marxist post-capitalist systems to the status of bourgeois attempts to retain power. It's post hoc nonsense, Comintern propaganda that was intended as a thought terminating cliche but was somehow given the status of real theory.

>>14062971
cool post. go back to /leftypol

>>14063119
If you can't see Jewish tribalism in the modern world you're not looking. They are the dominant force in the West and their tribalism is in everything they do. They value it so highly that they spend massive resources on ensuring Whites are not allowed one speck of tribalism in the West without being attacked.

>>14063121
What do you think the unquestionable Holocaust is you cretin

>>14063301
I literally used to agree with you until i actually, in good faith investigated it.
Stormfront literally fabricates a lot of their evidence.

>>14063304
Stormfront is a dead forum full of boomers that, as far as I know, doesn't itself participate in Holocaust revisionism.

>>14063304
No you didn't.

The evidence is ridiculous. Why is it forbidden to even investigate it?

>>14063217
>the Nazi economic model
There never was one. The locksmith was a milquetoast Marxist. Everything was being done ad hoc. We would only have an opportunity to understand their model if it had fully matured.

>>14062312
>How is race a proximal issue?
Lumping all Semites under the same umbrella undercuts the argument that Jews are responsible for importing the other Semites into the host nations.
>Semites import other Semites
just does not carry the same implication.

>>14061995
That was the joke.

>>14063711
They have even taken to complete fabrication because the lack of physical evidence damns their narrative:
>https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/15/arts/design/the-evidence-room-architects-examine-the-horrors-of-auschwitz.html

I do believe it is a worthy exercise to study psychologically disturbed individuals such as Hitler. What some don't understand is that in order to understand psychopaths, you must almost sympathize with them. Truthfully I don't think Hitler was destined to be a monster. He lived in a monstrous age, and was subjected to the most monstrous, and indeed his principal quality was an extraordinarily strong will. While many wwI veterans drank themselves to death or shot themselves, or died from sequelae, Hitler stewed with an impossible, cosmic hatred and anger. Indeed if you listen to Nazi correspondence and speeches toward the end of the war, the Enemy in his mindset was the universe itself, everything that was not German, was not forgiven, was subject to the most blackened and vile destruction. The Jews were merely the first in this insane campaign, but in the end all would be killed, because there is no rationality, no empathy, no ground to the entire mission. It's easy to say Hitler was the perpetrator, fully responsible for war crimes and crimes against humanity, but he was just as much a product than more are willing to admit. Had Hitler and a generation of others grown up in relative peace, there would have not been such overreaction.
But then you ask, the French, the British, so many were subjected to the same horrors of war. Why did the German psyche manifest such a reaction? The Prussian military mindset and the military ethos is something that historically pervades German culture in ways that does not pervade others cultures. Germany was unified through the machinations of a Prussian military officer, forged through conquest, and until the end of WWII this ethos was an ideal that motivated the German military and society. The Prussian military ethos created Germany, and this warlike mentality had to follow out its course through to the bloody error of WWII. It is telling however that the military veterans of Germany actively participated in overthrowing the government, and deftly succeeded, when the other governments of Europe experienced no such turmoil.
Every early nazi party member was a military veteran and indeed fascism often historically appeals to military veterans.

That's just the thing. Figures such as Ernst Rohm worshiped war in a way that is difficult to see as anything besides completely insane. It was like a drug, and indeed the nazis were quite fond of stimulants. They took WWI as if it wasn't so bad, as if it were just a taste of something better. This war lust is quite foreign to most human sensibilities, but I post that it stems from this Prussian militaristic mindset. Prussia was world-renowned for its military organization and elan vital, and Prussian miltiary symbols such as the Iron Cross appeared in Nazi military designations, it in turn stemming from the Teutonic order of knighthood. This desire to find faith in militaristic symbols, heritage in the waging of death for a supposedly righteous cause, is directly traceable between the nazi regime and the Catholic crusades. Indeed the connection between catholicism and nazism is often swept under the rug, even though there are undeniable connective tissue between the two, even going so far back as to the first reich, the Holy Roman Catholic Empire.

This rabid desire for historical continuity enacted through violent force is unprecedented in history. Indeed, the true atrocity of the nazi regime is that it was medieval; it was essentially a medieval value system equipped with modern machinery and instruments of war.

>>14063809
This does not transform jews to be the blessing their victims claim them to be.

It goes to show that obviously the people best suited to overthrowing a government is its military. Germany was helpless once it became the case that its "national heroes" decided they wanted to take it for themselves. Hindenburg didn't know what to do. If he stood against the nazis, it would mean that he was standing against war veterans, who were by that fact alone heroes. Militarism itself drew more from itself. Nobody who hadn't faced such horrors as wwI were willing to face down those who did. It was a breeze for the nazis to overthrow the Weimar government, because they had already faced down automatic machine gunfire and artillery shells. Herein lies the profound secret of the nazis ability to overthrow an entire government; they beat people up. Anyone who didn't agree, the beat up. It didn't matter if you tried to interfere, these were survivors of WWI, and they didn't care for you. That inexorable militaristic self-confidence is distinctly lacking from today's so called "fascist" resurgences, which are indeed anything but.

>>14061974
I mean, I have decades of verified statistical data on my side and you're just some faggot shill on the internet.

>>14061995
He objectively wasn't tho, even under nazis laws

>>14062680
It's wrong when you use that shit to invade and kill millions of other.

>>14063711
You can investigate it though. More than half of the deniers i've encountered here think that the 6 millions were killed in the gas chambers. Deniers are absolutely retarded.

>>14063140
>>14063145
God, /pol/fags are so insuferable. Someone make a good arguments, and all they can counter with is muh joos. When they then get called out on that, they immediatly switch to "Ahaha get fucked jew!".

They should be gassed under eugenics laws.

>>14065327
>Someone make a good arguments

>>14065384
Yes. Fascism respecting tradition is simply false, especially for the nazis. None of you addressed that and simply went with but muh joos.
And no, fascists saying they respect trads doesn't make it true, unless you're some kind of naive idiot.

>>14065566
You simply asserted the claim that fascism is a purely aesthetic movement, with Futurism as your primary evidence. When it was pointed out that Futurism is a fucking ART MOVEMENT, you swiftly dropped that line of reasoning and moved on to pearl clutching that someone would claim a Jewish ethnic motivation for a Jew rehashing what is, as you admitted, the oldest Marxist "argument" against fascism. You also completely ignored the post explaining the motivation of that particular argument in nonethnic terms, and explaining what pure bullshit it is.

Also, no revisionist thinks that six million Jews were killed in gas chambers, because six million Jews were not killed full stop.

In summary: lmao shut the fuck up kike

>>14065860
Did you not read
>>14063069
>The question, that Benjamin is trying to articulate, is what is the real relationship between Fascism and the "tradition" it attempts to uphold? How is it that Nazism and Futurism, which rejects tradition outright, are a part of the same movement, the same basic ideology? It's that the relationship to tradition and heritage is purely that of an image. Tradition is no longer tradition but the image of what tradition ought to be. This is how the Nazis in particular are able to combine "tradition" with mass industrialization and state capitalism, which inherently and constantly upend the status quo through the market and class destabilization/conflict.

>>14065891
I did; it's Talmudism based on faulty assumptions and distinctions without difference, and my first post in this thread is a crude dismissal

>>14065956
The fuck does this have to do with Talmudism

>>14063338
It absolutely did raid /pol/ in the past.
>>14063711
It's not forbidden, i'd bet money that you have not even tried, you've simply read a few low quality info graphs and then MAYBE sought out more detailed material supporting that view.
/pol/fags are like that, incredibly emotional thinkers, only reason they like Hitler is because the other guys don't like him.

>>14065963
Another thought terminating cliche for the sperg with an unfalsifiable viewpoint.

>>14065994
Says the retard trying to advance an argument based entirely on attempts to justify a thought terminating cliche.

>>14065994
Bro you don't have an argument. Not once have you actually engaged with the content of the any of the statements. Nor have you even proven it's based on "Talmudism" or whatever synonym for Jewish you wanna use.

>>14066015
Chapo faggots attempting to ape the diction of e-liberalism are pathetic. Also, friendly fire: that anon is at bottom attempting to justify the maxim that "fascism is capitalism in decay." You might be trying to talk to me.