/lit/ - Literature

the entire universe is rooted in suffering

Not many suffer. You seem to look through life through a pessimistic lens. You should take after pic related you dumbass :3

>>14022763
what the hell happened to that poor soul??

Those parents should be killed

>>14022773
what do you think it feels like for stars when they go supernova

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>>14022763

I'd be pretty happy if I were a fucked up burn victim and had always been that way (this person was liked this since infancy, crib fire).

You never really lost very much and you have very little to strive for. The lack of incentives would cause me to be oblivious and apathetic towards social norms, thus no standards to hold myself to. I could just act like an animal all the time and be perfectly content with myself. I mean, dogs are always happy right

>>14022786

i cannot be sure, but i'm sure that the first single celled organisms that are the result of star dust would like to live forever and not get eaten, if they could

>>14022782
His blanket caught on fire as a baby

>>14022799
Maybe they woke up and thought 'what is this shit, fuck it im going back to sleep'

>>14022786
They don't have a nervous system

>>14022816
what and nervous systems are magic or something? they're just bunches of atoms like everything else

>>14022763
looking at that photo, lol if you need any convincing that the body is a tomb. ripped out of the void to suffer. gas the archons reality war now

>>14022786
Probably ecstasy imo, ultimate release

>>14022839
truth brother. One day we will escape this torture prison of the flesh.

>>14022816
Geez Louise, you must be fun at parties!

>>14022816
>no! stars aren't living things!

No one has ever done anything but look at them with very low resolution telescopes, processing photon spectrum and then extrapolating, to fit current physics models. We dont really know what they are, and what esoteric physics happen at such extreme conditions.

>>14022848
One day

>>14022864
>/lit/ is slowly taking the plasmapill

I love it.

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>>14022763
nigga,,,,,

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>>14022865
>tfw this bull ran away so it wouldn't get slaughtered and it was put down anyway by police officers
no tears now
no tears

>>14022896
he wanted freedom that bad. damn.

>>14022763
that abonimation creature still has a better life than me

>>14022797
No, you don't. As humans, we want a healthy social life, you would end up depressed suicidal af or something.

>>14022896
How do you know this?

Thesis: >>14022786
Antithesis: >>14022816 >>14022850
Synthesis: >>14022868 >>14022864

>>14022796
i guess you could say this too lies on the current of causality

>>14022931
it was on the news

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-internet-is-freaking-_b_12077126

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>>14022864
What do you think it feels like for robots when they self-destruct

>>14022942
stories like that and this one https://www.huffpost.com/entry/meet-the-former-slaughter_b_10199262

are making me lose my fucking mind

>>14022964
don't read stuff like that man
it only makes you feel worse

>>14022763
Morality is a truth-apt evaluative attitude.

>>14022996
all it takes is enough people following your advice for it to keep on happening and get worse. even though you're right.

>>14022763
Theodicee by Leibniz, or read Schopenhauer. Faggot

if i were him i'd just wear a mask
but considering west's fucked up moral system they probably never even told him how ugly he is or they're more worried about how people will perceive them if they cover his face up even if it meant making him more approachable

>>14023639
Nigga got no eyes no more

>>14023649
yeah that's why it's feasible
might give him aesthetics

>>14022763
This is too much for me. He must be a nice guy (or girl?) But I think I wouldn't stand to be close to someone that looks like a fucking zombie from a RPG.
I met a girl in a similar condition, but at least she had hair, eyes and a more or less normal mouth.

>the semi-modular

>>14022763
>me on the left
>god on the right
>antinatalism as accepted or understood by the general population of this board in the middle

>>14022812
t. freud

>>14023674
The worst part is that the fleshy area over his eye sockets moves like he still has eyes underneath.

>>14023659
He should just adopt the zentai subculture

>>14023712
fuck off don't make a mockery of my brilliant idea

>>14022865
A bit too rare for my taste.

'The Evil Demiurge' presents the gnostic dogma, coated in Cioran's usual misery. I insist that it must be read before any of his other books.

>>14022777
Fucking checked trips? Y no one notice?

>>14022804
Jesus Christ, as a mother I would have just sufficated my own child at that Point to end it's suffering. Good Thing the kid itself has no fucking idea how it Looks or how normal People should or he would butcher his parents for not ending him.

>>14022763
this guy has had more girlfriends than me

>>14022763
You're just a whiny faggot

>>14022964
Thank God, I get my meat from my german trusted butcher instead of a massive concentration camp. They get let in seperatly, get a headshot before they even see anything and only than get butchered. But than again, no PETA faggot wants to make Propaganda out of local organic small farmer butchers.

People who buy cheap as factory farmed meat deserve all the shit in it.

i've seen this dude in /r9k/ and here, is he spreading across the whole site

>>14022892
Oh you fucking beat me to it

>>14022763
Why would you post something so horrible? you edgy cunt i hope you die like that kid

>>14023842
he's alive

>>14023829
>People who buy cheap as factory farmed meat deserve all the shit in it.
You know, not everyone can afford the "cruelty free" options.

>>14023851
You can, you just have to know where to buy and which pieces. Average cheapo meat (minced pork and Beef) cost around 4€ for 500g. I can get wild boar belly from for 8€, which is by definition organic and free range. And due to being the fattest part, you get the most out of your Money. You can also buy Beef heart, which is pure muscle for a similar Price. Lamb liver is also pretty cheap. The most nutritious parts of the animal get shunned by modern faggots are and super cheap.

Learn to cook and preserve or buy a big freezer to mass order online from a butcher which has what you want. Money is no Argument, as I have been Living on wellfare just fine.

tl;dr: Buy fatty and hard too cook meat parts and soften them up by preperation and you will get it just as cheap as "better cuts" from cruelty meat - and it still will taste better than the later, due to the proper nurishment of the animal.

>>14023851
*8€ for 1000g (Germany)

>>14022763
>google image search
>result: fun

>>14022796
holy shit my sides

>>14022773
This, requesting anons learned in aztec philosophy.

can someone link this video?

found it, fucking hell https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST9vj2PAScY

>>14023950
I can't look at him for more than a few seconds

>>14023950
The amount of resources put in to support this kid must be incredible. It’s good that we live in a supportive society where compassion, and not money, is the driving factor.

>>14022786
they've been edging for 5 billion years and finally get to cum their baby-star juice into the universe

>>14022763
>if god is real why do people suffer
Easy. Lucifer reigns over this reality. God imparted Freedom of will on his children. We used this gifted agency to stray from His path when Eve at from the tree of Wisdom. You see, we're already in hell. Its up to each child of God to accept Jesus as your one and only Savior who sacrificed Himself to forgive your sins.

>>14023982
>where compassion, and not money, is the driving factor

>>14022797
I grew up in a neighbourhood with a burn victim. Had eyes though. Presumably lived off benefits and was a notorious roaming alcoholic literally surrounded by people living a life he envied. Did get away with all sorts of antisocial behaviour, but it always seemed to be in a joyless outlash style. Was really fucking depressing.

>>14022797
We are not dogs.

>>14022850
t. reddit.

>>14024001

>where attention, and not money, is the driving factor

>>14022864
It's literally quite the opposite. Over the course of the last 100 years, we've had a multitude of theories and ideas how certain things work, then we observe stars and go "uh-oh", this can't possibly work. Then we've started working on fundamentals and as of this moment, we have more than just a pretty firm grasp on every mechanism that stars seem to exhibit. Conditions in stars are not in the least bit extreme as in some other cases.

>>14023819
he is not suffering you are

>>14024213
>Burn victims without the ability to eat properly, see anything or have any social interaction or life Goals do not suffer
X

>>14022763
Try having a single anti-human expression, and you'll understand.

>>14024213
This is what Christian morality has done to people

>>14024219
he has more social interaction than average idiot on this site
as far as sense inconveniences are concerned they can be overcome with practice
and striving to live a fulfilling life even with his problems is a pretty good life goal

>>14023818
Nobody fucking cares about repeated digits except for assholes.

>>14024239
>he has more social interaction than average idiot on this site
Nice meme, but practically all People on here have a more social life than someone which Looks like death and only gets taken on a date to be taken Advantage of.

Anon, you seem to not understand. If your whole face and Body is melted like that this means daily pain as you Skin can't accomodate the most simple movement. He can't even close his mouth, which further will induce pain and broken Skin as well as countless infections. He is blind AND unable to sense the world through touch due to Burning off of his nerv Ends. Him constantly being on medication already has fucked up his gut and leads to dily constipation and pain as well as a bad immun System.

He will never experience love, friendship or any Kind of fun. His life is pure suffering because of his Family and societies inability to end it - while also promoting infanticide of healthy babies.

No culture on this planet would have kept him alive. Only the most Kali Yuga one would take him to virtue signal

>>14024239
The average person on this site has fucked or will fuck a woman in their lives that is attracted to them.
And even if not, they don’t look like a fucking ghoul from Fallout.

>>14022763

Sins carry over through reincarnations.
So do blessings.

>>14024234
well i'm just saying that he's projecting his own outlook onto him
same way rich people think poor people are always suffering
they tend to think that if one does not have X or Y, he cannot live life

>>14024260
well that's upto him to decide, he hasn't said that he was suffering and wanted to die so there is no reason to think that it should be given to him
and ffs don't use kaliyuga like that, it's not a feature of a society

>>14024271
He knows no life but suffering. That's the only good Thing, just like the fact that he will never see himself, for his suffering would already have send him to the sunsett.

But your Argument is just as shitty as saying that some pizzagate kid which never knew love but only getting raped for Food, has Nothing better to compare her life to and therefore doesn't miss anything, has a life worth Living, because her life Goal is too please many People for nice Food and bodily touch.

>>14024260
your perspective wouldve made stephen hawking kill himself back when he started getting paralyzed
but the limitations of his frame just gave him more freedom to explore intellectual depths cause he didn't have to worry about spending time fapping and shit

>>14024280
what the fuck does that mean

>>14024280
the pizzagate kid is living with constant mental torture the burned kid is living with his family and friends
mind experiences > body experiences

>>14024287
>hawking
What a meme answer. He had connectionsand was fucking rich enough to buy models to wipe his ass. Further he was a Retard and pseud only out to us his Situation for fame. Same Tier like Dawkins and black science man.

>what the fuck does that mean
That you romantize his Situation due to a lacking understanding and try to make a objectivly horrible Situation seem better by virtue of the victim not kowing, due to lacking comparison, how terrible his istuation is.

>>14024297
When you grow up thinking that rape is normal, you don't suffer as it'S your "culture". There have been many culture which such traditions or worse.

>muh rationality
>main argument against god is an appeal to emotion

>>14024309
The main argument for god is an appeal to emotion

>>14024319
Except atheists go on about how that isn’t valid and then use the same tactics

>>14022783
wtf, how is it their fault ?

>>14022763
God is ded, nothing personnel

>>14024302
Basically what I'm getting out of your response is retarded pessimism. :3

Please off yourself.

>>14024675
>replying with fag smilies to proper Arguments
Mothnigger, you have revealed yourself.

>>14024653
;_; im sorry i jumped on the hate train for no reason

>>14024682
>proper Argument
>pessimism

Pick one you retarded shithead.

>>14024700
The word you look for is reality. Nature would have offed him long ago. Your desires to prolong his suffering is religious missguided dogmatism, common to double digit IQ subjects.

>>14022923
>we want
If he grew up like this, he wouldn't even know what social life means. It is the perfect example of ignorance as a bliss

>>14024001
I dont like this guy, i suspect he is a psychopath
His aggressive eye contact and always smiling, i think hes just using these people to make money

>>14024734
You don't say.

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>>14024213
stop man, he is in hell

>>14024762
>O-other people are in hell, NOT ME

The denial Is striking.. :3

>>14024788
This desu. We are all suffering. Being human is suffering. Why don’t all of us off ourselves? Why is it “religious misguided dogmatism” to “prolong his suffering” when none of us here have killed ourselves yet?

He has a fucking girlfriend and friends and I’m an adult virgin with no friends. Why don’t I just off myself?

>>14024834
That's what we're suggesting. Just don't drag us all down to your level.

>>14024839
I wasn’t expecting you to agree. Well, here I go.

If you believe that life is precious and is implicitly worth living:

Would you trade your current existence if I promised you immortality in a world of endless peace, but you had to live in that body?

I honestly believe it’s cruel to keep that person alive.
There is a soul trapped in there, living in unimaginable suffering and pain that 99.99% of all humans who have ever lived, including the vast majority of people who are born with genetic disorders, cannot even begin to comprehend. The most humane thing to do would be to euthanize that person.

It's not a book but the Rance video game series features a god that explicitely created the world and its inhabitants to enjoy their suffering.

Pic related. God.

Being God, he can't be defeated. Endgame is convincing him that he can enjoy the world through ways other than suffering.

>>14022850
Based

>>14022763
What does his finite life matter in relation to his immortal soul? He has done more good in the world than most of us, inspiring others and moving them to charity.

>>14024863
He seems pretty happy, I think he even mentioned having a girlfriend from his blind kids school. He doesn't have any conception of what he's missing because he never had it to begin with.

>>14022786
Like finally breathing out after taking a deep breath that really stretches out your ribs and holding it.

>>14024834
>when none of us here have killed ourselves yet?
You know damn well that for a good part of us the only answer is "family" or "fear"

>>14024936
Yeah you better believe in that too good to be true fairy tale land and waste the only life you know it`s real.
People who don`t face nihilism and come back from it are as mature as kids.

>>14024955
>gf from a School for the blind
If that girl would be able to see or ever try to kiss him, she would die of terror. This makes it even worse, considering everyone knows that and lets them stay together, instead of keeping that innocent Girl away from such an association.

Being disgusted by such a view is more than human and all those relativists can go fuck themselves with their morality in a world of on demand infanticide of perfect little kids. As Long as we don't stop women killing their Kids out of lazyness, just creaturas should have no Right to pester Society nor have to life in eternal pain, which is living in a once burned body.

All you faggots argumenting against this, are only doing it to virtue ssignal and think of yourself as moraly superious contrarians.

>>14024859

having a body and immortality are incompatible, try again

>>14025032

i agree that keeping him alive like that may be cruel, but the psychology of your post clearly shows that you're more frustrated with the cruelty done to you, than the cruelty done to him. you aren't ignorant, and you don't want to look at him. he is (mostly) ignorant about his condition, and may be able to find some happiness based off of that

>>14025064
>that you're more frustrated with the cruelty done to you
Jesus, you hobby freuds need another leizure time activity. Nobody with functioning eyes in their head would freely touch him with the exclusion of virtue signaling cunts using him for their own ego kick. His existance is a test of courage. It's like making child porn out of infants, because they can neither remember it nor are directly harmed by it. Maybe they even enjoy getting diddled and find some happineyy based off of that?

>>14025086
>Maybe they even enjoy getting diddled and find some happineyy based off of that?

disregarding any physical trauma, most of the trauma that those kids face is the after the fact realization of the molestation, so you're on the right track

>>14025100
So, you agree that diddling kids anonymously, so that they will never know it, is socially acceptable, even for the greater good of the society? Heck, the kids can do more good than most of us on here!

>>14025111

nah. again, your confusion on who is suffering is causing this little conflict. regardless of how the child looks or feels, most of the people in here want to see him euthanized because looking at him makes them uncomfortable, not because they feel any actual sympathy

>>14025120
He should been let gone as soon as that happened out of empathy. The visual rape is something which Comes from the disgust with his Family for letting him suffer just out of their weakness.

>>14022782
He didn't reply to this post

>>14022763
karma

>>14024734
If you watch his videos its pretty easy to see he's genuine (but also clearly been trained to communicate with and engage people who might be non-verbal). I've seen a clip of him openly weeping because youtube shut down the comments section on most of his videos, which makes sense if your entire cause is to get people to start communicating and engaging with a very marginalised population.

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>>14022839
>projecting

>>14022843
Death is actually the ultimate release... but I mean supernovas are deaths for stars so yea i guess.

>>14022848
Projecting

>>14022896
lifes a joke

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>>14023868
everyone is projecting

>>14022763
>collective suffering
That doesn't exist.
Pain is a purely individual experience

>>14022763

To the first question: free will.

To the second question: the idea that A God, not THE God, enjoys your suffering is actually integral to Christianity, see "the prince of this world".

>>14022839

>Whoever has recognized the world-system has found a corpse—and whoever has found a corpse, of him the world is not worthy.

>>14022763
>how can God exist if there's so much suffering in the world
>dude that's such a midwit take lol, read Book of Job suffering is meaning bro

>ok, so how about this severe burn victim who doesn't even look human?
>oh yeah he should just be mercifully killed, yikes

Man, I sure like philosophy and religion!

>>14022773
no it isn't, it's just you

>>14023867
>The most nutritious parts of the animal get shunned by modern faggots are and super cheap
If everyone started buying these options demand would increase as would the price and again, not everyone would be able to afford them.

>>14022763
Kid on the left is actually a cool kid, and if you hear him in the video you'll like him, his vocal chords and ability to speak are unimpaired despite the way his mouth looks, and he's able to speak totally fine, and has humor to boot, is bilingual, and has a fine working brain. It's actually nice that despite everything else his voice and mind are unaffected. It reminds you that he's an alright person like anyone else, in case you forget (because of his appearance). If he had fingers I bet he'd hang out on /lit/. He doesn't even seem to mind that much that he's in his situation and keeps upbeat about it, even pokes fun at it, he actually scared a kid away on purpose for making fun of him. Sounds like a stoic chad and a true ubermensch beneath the skin. If you were nerfed as hard by God as this kid, some of you would be anxious messes like you already are, and probably want to suicide like you already do. Think about that.

>>14025510
>If he had fingers I bet he'd hang out on /lit/
He's blind.

>>14025502
>If everyone started buying these options demand would increase as would the price and again, not everyone would be able to afford them.
This is right, but than again, most people are retards and will gladly go vegan if big gobermend tells them that it's not only healthyTM but also ethical(C).

In the end the only solution to it is Population restriction, but this is not one which europe should have to deal with, as our Population hs reduced itself naturally. Yet the uncivilized world breeds like rabbits and get pushed by globalists only seeing wage dumbing into europe, increasing needs in food and housing.

Do what you can to be the best you can be, and trust that others are too double digit to follow.

>>14025232
dude, I fucking hate people who reply to twenty replies at once
fuck off will you?
I don't want to read your stupid collective judgement, and no one ever replies to these either, so I'm guessing they aren't interested too.

>>14024302
>Further he was a Retard and pseud only out to us his Situation for fame. Same Tier like Dawkins and black science man.
Uhh Hawking made his most important contributions to physics before his disease got really bad. Dawkins also contributed to his field, he's not just "le atheist man". Don't compare them to black science man.

>>14025516
No shit dude.

Stuff like OP's pic reminds me of why I consider modern medical science to be evil.

>>14025572
How would he hang out on /lit/ then? Would he have his mother transcribe the images and read the posts to him?

>>14022782
he was a cartel leader in a previous life

>>14022763
Christianity is bullshit; only reincarnation makes sense as a religious ideal

>>14025597
>Christianity is bullshit; only reincarnation makes sense as a religious ideal
If there is a God (that required your acceptance for whatever reason), he wouldn't send you to hell. He would continually reincarnate you until you accept him. There's no reason to think otherwise.

>>14025530
>In the end the only solution to it is Population restriction,
Ok I see you actually do know What's Up.

>God: Hmm what should I have in store for this little guy... oh, I know! I should have burn to near-death at his crib when he's 2 years old, leaving him to endure a life of absolute physical, social and emotional suffering!

>>14025582
No. He would have to stop being blind.

ADVAITA > CHRISTKEK

FUCK YOU JANNIES

>>14025631
Taoism > Advaita

>>14025618
Yaldabaoth:*

>>14025636
How?

>>14025612
That's retarded; we have no memories of our previous lives so free will is a result of our circumstances.

>>14025233
and yet consciousness is the same for every individual, so I guess we suffering collectively

>>14025699
And your circumstances are a result of your previous lives.

>>14025670
Taoism is more rational, Advaita is more spiritual.
>>14025699
That has absolutely nothing to do with what I just said.

>>14025726
Precisely, which is why it is not a true moral transformation to suddenly develop a "belief in god" just because you reincarnated into a new body.
The point of life is to experience, but that doesn't mean there is no punishment in the next life.

>>14025631
based

>>14025737
>That has absolutely nothing to do with what I just said.
It does though. You said "there's no reason to think otherwise" about God reincarnating us just so we develop faith, and I rebutted that claim.
The notion that the whole point of life is to reach some end point in believing in a silent god is utterly retarded. There is no end-state; there is only Being in itself.

>>14025755
>I rebutted that claim
No, you didn't. God wouldn't be doing such a thing to help people form the conclusion, but rather to come across it of their own free will - meaning memories of past lives have nothing to do with it.
>The notion that the whole point of life is to reach some end point in believing in a silent god is utterly retarded.
I never said God was real, you illiterate.

The so-called problem of evil collapses entirely if one has the right anthropology. Western Christianity is confused about this mostly since they lost the doctrine of recapitulation and replaced it with Augustinian formulas.

>>14022763
Hyperion

>>14025204
link to video? were there tears?

Not having comments on your video lowers how much it get pushed by youtubes algorithm, so you make less money

I've never been able to reconcile animal suffering. Human suffering bothers me, but I feel like there's something about I can accept since we have moral culpability. With animals I simply can't.

>>14025784
>No, you didn't. God wouldn't be doing such a thing to help people form the conclusion, but rather to come across it of their own free will - meaning memories of past lives have nothing to do with it.
But that's what I said, that free will is a result of our circumstances. Think of it this way, if the only way you form a "belief" in god is if you're reincarnated into a semi-living burnt crisp, then that isn't a true moral transformation; it's simply a coping mechanism.
And that's all that belief in god ever truly can be; a coping mechanism for the suffering in the world.

>>14025784
>I never said God was real, you illiterate.
I never said you did, you double-illiterate

>>14025812
To God animals are just tools for humans, to be respected since they were created by God but not to be loved since they're not in his image \ soulless.

>>14025232
>Except for me, alas, for I am very smart.

>>14025820
That doesn't help me at all. If that's the case then I can only include that God is evil.

>>14025831
God is the ultimate arbiter on what is good and evil, so your judgement means nothing.

>>14025818
>Think of it this way, if the only way you form a "belief" in god is if you're reincarnated into a semi-living burnt crisp, then that isn't a true moral transformation
I never said it was. I'm saying God would just continually reincarnate your soul until you eventually accept him, but you wouldn't know of the process at all. You wouldn't even know you were reincarnated. Pic related shows you what I mean.

>>14025831
Death entered the world through the first sin. Animals weren't subject to death in the prelapsarian state.

>>14025842
not him but you are a stupid fag

>>14025842
I know all the little sophistic games you're going to try because I used to believe the same sort of thing. Don't bother.

>>14025848
In other words God causes all animal suffering.

>>14025842
So are you Calvinist or Muslim?

>>14025845
>. I'm saying God would just continually reincarnate your soul until you eventually accept him, but you wouldn't know of the process at all. You wouldn't even know you were reincarnated
And I'm saying that what you're saying is utterly retarded and nonsensical. If it takes multiple lives for your soul to experience a belief in god, then that isn't a true fucking moral transformation. The much more sensical explanation for our moral reality is that belief in god is a coping mechanism that drives us further from self actualization. Belief in god is one of the "punishments" that we are afflicted with for our misconceptions about existence. It is a crutch, not something to be desired.

>>14025851
I certainly am less intelligent, less knowledgable, less aware, forever younger than God Himself, like the guy I was speaking to, which is why I trust His judgement of good and evil over my emotional impulses.

>>14025862
Neither. If you think you know good and evil better than God, who by definition is all-knowing, then explain your reasoning to me.

>>14025864
>If it takes multiple lives for your soul to experience a belief in god, then that isn't a true fucking moral transformation.

>>14025873
No lol, because I actually provided cogent reasons for why it isn't a true transformation. That fallacy only applies to unreasoned arguments.

So you don't even know how to tell apart fallacy from reality any longer. You're literally delusional and thus a waste of time to interact with in any human capacity.

>>14025878
>I actually provided cogent reasons for why it isn't a true transformation
No, you didn't. I explained why and you responded with circular reasoning, restating your original premise. God, you're a fucking idiot.

>>14025820
Absolutely putrid doctrine. Man is free but animals are not and exist for our pleasure and comfort. shoo shoo ahriman

>>14025867
your """God""" is civilization and you don't even know it.

>>14025812
you're based and on the right track, human free will is one thing but there's no reason our spiritual failings should implicate the death and consumption of billions of living things just to keep the show on the road.

I struggle with this for years and I just can't reconcile it either. I simply can't.

>>14025867
The argument is dependent upon whatever particular view of God you hold. You accept a certain understanding of God, by your own evaluation, and then defer to it -- the judgment of it being correct to begin with, though, was yours, as if you did not agree with that understanding of God you would have believed something else. Likewise you could simply be wrong.

>>14025885
>No, you didn't. I explained why and you responded with circular reasoning, restating your original premise. God, you're a fucking idiot.
I explained it in my very first reply to you, here: >>14025699
For something to be a true moral transformation, you need to have memory of your past transgressions in order so you have the capacity to learn from your mistakes.
So not only are you delusional and incapable of being interacted with, you also have no working memory. Lovely.

>>14025905
>For something to be a true moral transformation, you need to have memory of your past transgressions in order so you have the capacity to learn from your mistakes.
Why?

>>14022763
This guys youtube channel is quite heartwarming. Special Books by Special Kids.

>>14025894
>Man is free but animals are not
Free how?

>animals exist for our pleasure and comfort
Who has authority over the existence of animals?

>your """God""" is civilization and you don't even know it.
The definition of God and the, I assume, norms of civilization do not align at all.

>>14025902
Almost all beings converge to having a brain, having some kind of intelligence. Likewise all expressions of intelligence, the greatest biological intelligence which is human, converged and are converging to the Bible. I have every reason to believe that his Word is good, not by arbitrary decision, but because my ability to make decisions supports Him, and if I didn't choose Him I'd be undermining my own ability to make decisions.

Hearing god believers talk disgusts me
Your poopy genetics stop you from seeing reason

All serious philisophical considerations ultimately lead to faith in our own being and nothing more. Everything beyond that is a cope. Prove me wrong.

>>14025910
Because belief in God simply because you were punished from birth to be a barely-living organism is not a moral transformation, but entirely a reflex reaction to your immediate circumstances. It's entirely a coping mechanism, ipso facto. There are no moral considerations that stand apart from the reality of your current experience.
Thus the concluding remarks we can deduce are that reality is purely about experience, and reincarnation allows for punishments and new avenues of experience. The idea that experience "ends" just because we've developed some vacuous notion of a belief in a far-away god is farcical and insulting.

>>14025032
Have you considered that he appreciates his life and wants to live? Who the fuck cares what you think?

>>14025445
deal with it

>>14026022
this is the kind of argument that lead to down syndrome pride where literal retards whine that we shouldn't attempt to stop genetic diseases from occuring but I agree that guy cares too much about euthenizing the burn victim

>>14026038
I can't imagine how the former argument leads to the later.

>>14026089
then you must not be able to imagine very much
>Have you considered that he appreciates his life and wants to live?
>this kind of argument is what leads to down syndrome pride
>I can't imagine how the former argument leads to the later.
/lit/ is the dumbest board

>>14026103
You're the one conflating will to live with pride.

>>14026117
I wish autism was both painful and fatal

>>14026117
Downies argue that they have a will to live, which is why we should not try to end downie births. It's exactly the same.

>>14026119
>ugh why are they actually reading what I'm writing

>>14026122
How is that wrong, then?

>>14022763
i've seen quite a bit of gore and other horrible shit but this.. this made me feel things i've never felt before

and it was on youtube, who would've thought.
I feel fucking lightheaded and sick especially after opening the video for a split second and seeing him move and that mouth...
HOLY FUC

>>14026131
>ugh how dare you call me a pedantic faggot
nobody is going to debate you on the merits of the proliferation of genetic diseases you incessant shithead

>>14026103
Is this a joke? If you think this logically consistent I think you might have downs syndrome, anon.
>>14026122
>Downies argue that they have a will to live, which is why we should not try to end downie births. It's exactly the same.

I'll try to make this easy for you to understand anon:
>Disabled people who want to live should not be killed.
does not in any way lead to or imply
>We should not work to prevent disabilities.
it does lead to
>People with downs syndrome who want to live should not be "euthanized".

>>14022777
>not many
This post was brought to you by the first world middle class sages.

>>14026200
stop trying so hard anon. We're not your faggot professors, you don't impress anyone by being insufferable.

>>14023847
kek

>>14022864
The observed behavior of stars doesn't warrant the belief of them being conscious. /x/ might be the place for you.

>>14026191
So, it's an Aryan thing with you, right? Why else would you have trouble with Downs being birthed even though it's clear they're more than capable of leading happy and fulfilling lives?

>>14026227
Read Greg Metcalf. He's proposed that if we can prove that stars move volitionally, dark matter is redundant.

>>14026228
>no you don't understand, I'm -really- insufferable
lol that sucks for you

>>14026211
I'm admittedly a mid-wit myself, but I would like to imagine that anyone who has done the slightest bit of reading in the foundations of logic like Aristotle's works or even some Plato would be above making such retarded arguments. Forgive me for thinking anybody here actually reads.

>>14022763
suffering is relative. As long as there are always good feelings, there will have to be bad ones in contrast. sure there are some horrible ways to die in this world but it could be much much worse. You can say burning to death is the most painful way to die, (it may not be but for argument's sake I will be saying it is) but if the God of this reality didn't implement that into our range of possible experiences, something else would be in that place of being the most horrifying way to die. For example, if God decided to completely get rid of every possible way of suffering and pain up until the level of discomfort of the common cold, catching the cold would be the most horrific experience we'd know and would be seen to the same extreme evil as what the poor kid in OP has been unfortunately dealt with. Because the common cold is the worst state of suffering we'd know, we would still be asking the question OP has while damning the existence of a God who would subject us to the suffocating torture of a stuffy nose and sore throat.

>>14026240
Good luck proving that.

>>14026251
I'm not the guy so despondent he's been reduced to ironically LARPing as Sam Hyde by supporting the death of innocent happy people he judged inferior even though truthfully he does nothing about in real life because he's a coward.

>>14026256
a bloo bloo

>>14026270
lol what are you even talking about dude? How can you live with yourself being this predictable and gay? Do you not have one ounce of self respect?

>>14026131
>How is that wrong, then?
It's not morally wrong, but allowing the continuation of heritable genetic diseases causes a degredation of the human species.

>>14026275
I don't equate lack of compassion for masculinity. I leave that for edgy 14 year olds.

>>14026276
come on man, don't encourage him

>>14026281
>just keep throwing shit at the wall and hoping I'll get the engagement I'm so desperate for
sad

>>14026261
He's proposed ways to falsify it

>>14026276
So the Downs syndrome disease causes a degredation of the human species because it lowers intelligence? So does that also mean the breeding of black people causes a degredation of the human species? Where do you draw the line?

>>14026293
>so does that also mean the breeding of black people causes a degredation of the human species
yes, and you're well aware of that too.

>>14023851
Not everyone has to eat meat. Id rather go vegan, even if I loved meat(especially then) if eating it would mean i get this horrible trash meat from horribly abused souls

>>14026302
But then it could be argued that the breeding of white people does as well, since they're of lower IQ than Jews and Asians. I should also ask, how is the perceived quality of the human species relevant to the individual, who is only exposed to a fraction of a fraction of it in his life?

>>14026293
Where do you think you are, anon?

>>14026311
nobody cares. stay mad gay boy

>>14026311
Also, do you only take IQ into consideration? Or do you also take appearance, or others? What is the formula for human worth?

>>14026320
>is the only person talking about IQ
lol you're a mess anon. Get a grip

>>14026293
>does that also mean the breeding of black people causes a degredation of the human species?
Jesus Christ.

>>14026311
We should strive to improve the intelligence and strength of the human species at all costs. If the people holding power had the ability to choose from any racial group to determine which humans would be allowed to reproduce, I generally agree with you. Most of the time, we are working with limited resources within the span of individual countries. Each country should strive to limit the low IQ individuals from having children, regardless of race. People with heritable genetic diseases should be forbidden from reproduction completely.

>>14026227
To be fair, the observed behavior of anything doesn't warrant the belief of them being conscious.

>>14026338
So this is how you defend being an incel

>>14026338
He's just going to ask "why" and beat you over the head with bitching now anon. Great job, you've doomed us all to cringe.

Nothing would mean or be worth anything without suffering. It would be one big zero nothing. There’s no redemption without suffering first.

>>14026306
Northern europeans have to. A vegan diet will never give you what your biology needs. It will seem that way for a couple years, as your body harvests what it has stored through autophagy, but after the first 4-5 years this will lead to falling out hair, skin conditions, bad teeth, gut illnesses, etc. This is why vegans beyond the 7 years mark become insane. That's when the brain autophagy seems to start. Humans evolved to a special diet, adaptation takes millenia. We are still HGs and should be eating 65% animals products fr daily calories and local greens for the remaining ones.

“Hunter Gatherers got 68% of their calories from animal products, seasonally resp. more”
>In this review we have analyzed the 13 known quantitative dietary studies of HG and demonstrate that animal food actually provided the dominant (65%) energy source, while gathered plant foods comprised the remainder (35%). This data is consistent with a more recent, comprehensive review of the entire ethnographic data (n=229HG societies) that showed the mean subsistence dependence upon gathered plant foods was 32%, whereas it was 68% for animal foods. Other evidence, including isotopic analyses of Paleolithic hominid collagen tissue, reductions in hominid gut size, low activity levels of certain enzymes, and optimal foraging data all point toward a long history of meat-based diets in our species.
https://www.nature.com/articles/1601353
https://web.archive.org/web/20190514095546/https://www.nature.com/articles/1601353

“Northern Hunter Gatherer carb intake less than 15% of total energy, varies racially”
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0271531711000911
https://web.archive.org/web/20190514120029/https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0271531711000911

>>14026338
But why? What's the end goal? As stated before, the catalyst for this whole argument, is that people with Downs syndrome are in fact perfectly capable of finding meaning and happiness in their lives, as the kid in the OP.

Don't misunderstand me, if we had advanced tools of genetic engineering then of course we should examine the correlation between certain genes and happiness, but to go as far as to forcefully abort \ euthanise people of certain genes based on knowledge we don't have a full grip on yet, it just seems too emotional and without purpose.

>>14026355
*ahem*

Fuck roasties and fuck jannies

>>14026359
>he's just going to ask why
>>14026369
>but why
lmao please kill yourself you predictable annoying piece of shit

>>14026379
I assume you have an unpredictable answer.

>>14026388
xD

>>14026392
Does irony make you feel better?

>>14026369
I'm not the same person who began the argument, the only thing I suggested is that we should not allow people with heritable genetic diseases to reproduce. I don't think we should euthanize people who would prefer to live (though I certainly would have done so if my kid was burned like the pic). I also don't think it's impossible for a downy to be a happy individual, but the potential happiness of one individual is much less important than the guaranteed suffering of the majority of individuals who will have heritable diseases. It's much easier to prevent someone from being conceived than to abort them, as well. I doubt a eugenic-minded government would let things go that far.

>>14026395
>uh..... uhm...... how about some kind of vague shaming?
just stop

>>14022763
God selected him for death, and man went against it.

>>14026379
>Why should I have to explain my criteria for executing people!?
For your sake anon, I pray to God you are trolling.

>>14026419
you're the only person who is talking about that and you're absolutely fuming that I called you out a mile away and won't give you what you want

>>14026410
/thread

So weird hearing this like normal kids voice from such a monstrosity.

>>14026397
My question is: why take someone else's life in your hands? If the kid in the OP no longer wants to live, he will kill himself. Maybe most such severe burn victims aren't happy, true, but they may still have a will to live, or hope. A few hundreds of thousands of dollars have been raised for the child in the OP, money that may help him get further reconstructive plastic surgery now or in the future. That would not have been possible were he euthanized.

I agree with you that statistically speaking, it's very probable that average overall happiness may increase from disallowing the genetically diseased from reproducing, and yet why does that matter? Why does the average of happiness matter, when happiness only exists within the scope of the individual?

Moreover not all genetic diseases are of the same severity. How would you calculate whether to allow someone to reproduce or not?

>>14026430
you talk like a fag and your shit's all retarded

>>14026200
>>14026089
>>14026022
These are my posts. You are arguing with multiple people but you apparently don't have the reading comprehension to distinguish them, and yet you expect anybody to take you seriously.

>>14026435
for
>>14026427

>>14026435
You wish you were on reddit don't you

>>14026435
No, I'm arguing with a maximum of two people and they are subsequently the only people who have brought up executions in a pathetic attempt to practice their autism skills. In fact, I'm not arguing with anyone because it's self evident that downies are undesirable and even black people don't like or want to be black people. Stay mad.

The word you’re looking for is “theodicy”.

>>14026454
Since when has being undesirable been a justification for unconsented death?

>>14026454
This is why I hate liberals. You're a fag.

>>14026454
So this is the famous intellectual prowess of /pol/...

>>14026430
Hi, I'm new to the thread and it's far too long to go through the debate so I'll take a wild shot in the dark here.

One argument for sterilizing people with gene setups containing hereditary diseases or general "malfunctions", is the further advancement of the human race as a whole. If a dysfunction severely hinders an individual from interacting with the world in one shape or form, where the individual contributes less than the volume of resources it consumes (these resources not being natural resources duhhh), then what do we as a species gain from allowing this gene seed to continue spreading?

My point is that humanity could come together and aim its efforts towards advancing the species via a form of engineered natural selection (not at all talking about race here, dumb-dumb is color blind), and over a couple of generations enormous amounts of human resources would be freed up if the dysfunctions were to be erradicated, not to mention the decrease in population which could amass to a more balanced birth/death ratio, economic equality in some sense and a more united human race. This is of course a utopian scenario, corruption and greed would strangle the project in its cradle, but for the sake of the argument, isn't this viable cause?

>>14026430
As far as the kid being my own child, I would kill him from a pragmatic mindset, believing that the most likely option for him would be a life of serious suffering. When I'm talking about collective happiness, I'm talking about the cumulative effect of each individual being happy. I believe we should strive to create the highest amount of happy individuals possible. (You might argue there are multiple ways to do this, which I would not necessarily disagree with). Smarter individuals than me would calculate who could or could not produce, I'm really only here to argue in favor of the principle of the subject.

>>14026468
the beginning of time
>>14026469
ayy lmao
>>14026486
nobody is impressed with your ability to deny reality

>>14026468
You'd be surprised, look up exposure in rome

>>14022763
The cursed faces.

>>14026512
So the species's purpose is to increase GDP? It would mean less scarcity, but does that necessarily mean more meaning and happiness in a life?

From the viewpoint I think the focus on intelligence alone is erroneous, it is far from the only trait in deciding how much an individual contributes in terms of resources.

Otherwise it seems safe to say the species' purpose is simply to reproduce, as all biological system, from which perspective it's actually more beneficial to have lower IQ demographics because they breed more.

>>14026517
>I would kill him from a pragmatic mindset, believing that the most likely option for him would be a life of serious suffering
Should that not be his decision?

>>14026261
good luck falsifying "dark matter" too

>>14026569
dark matter and energy are both such fucking memes
>our formulas completely fail to predict what we observe happening
>There's just a bunch of undetectable matter and energy lol, couldn't be that our formulas are in any way inadequate

>>14026569
There isn't even anything to falsify. We don't know what it is other than something that makes the standard model not work the way that it should. Black science man himself is more than willing to admit the title is merely a placeholder for ignorance.

>>14026568
>Should that not be his decision?
No, I think the parents should have ultimate agency over the child. I also believe the biological instinct to continue living even through suffering would make it nearly impossible to end your life even if you wanted to. I might reconsider if my country had voluntary euthanasia, which (hopefully) gives individuals a guarantee of painless death. If he wanted to kill himself in his state I would have to help him, which would make me legally responsible. Even worse if he attempts suicide and fails.

>>14022763
he's a horrible human being, fuck this man

>>14026599
>which (hopefully) gives individuals a guarantee of painless death
nitrous oxide would do this

>>14026599
Parents have ultimate agency of their children, ultimately, to parent them, so their care may result in the child's happier and more meaningful future. Who benefits from the child's death? Not him, since he would no longer exist to experience his nonexistence.

This guy really gives off sociopath feelings. He reminds me of a shark.

>>14026610
I don't think you can legally provide someone with the means to commit suicide in the US, not sure

>>14026568

I think there is a correlation between material wealth and happiness, so yes. Less strife means more time to actually focus on what you want to do. This whole argument rests on an undertone of global socialistic government where the population is free from most manual labor, where intelligence would be prized and channeled for the further technological advancement of the species, but with that said I'm not strictly talking IQ here. Culture would need to provide a deeper purpose in people's lives and thus you would not instantly be a reject if you're sub XXX IQ. There would be a purpose for everyone really, except for those who obviously can't cope with the standardized way of existence, meaning that you don't need ten people tied to your life in order to shit eat and have a wank.

>>14026620
I don't believe you can I'm just saying that nitrous oxide would guarantee not only a painless but a fucking awesome death. They don't call it hippie crack for nothing

>>14026613
>who benefits
The child, the taxpayer, the parents

>>14026587
It's the great scientific hoodwink. The theory comes before the model, which comes before the data.

>>14026623
The child cannot benefit since he no longer exists. The taxpayer definitely does not benefit in any meaningful way. The parents' benefit is far from absolute. Besides, killing someone because you benefit from it isn't euthanasia, it's murder.

>>14022942
>huffpost
>news
pick one

>>14026641
idiocracy wasn't supposed to be an instructional video!

>>14026641
I'm not going to start an anti-natalist argument, but if one were to look at the child's potential life from a pragmatic standpoint, the potential enjoyment is clearly outweighed by the potential suffering. The child benefits as he no longer has to suffer. The taxpayer benefits as they no longer have to pay for the repurcussions of the child's existence. I don't care to get into a semantical argument about the difference between euthanasia and murder, either.

>>14026621
>This whole argument rests on an undertone of global socialistic government where the population is free from most manual labor, where intelligence would be prized and channeled for the further technological advancement of the species
Anon, having grown up in a "socialistic goverment" I know for a fact that the people where not free from most manual labor, on the contrary, they had to do far more than the west had to due to the need for work. You would have been send to semi gulag if you would not find any work at all. Further the local intelligencia got killed Katyn style to make the people as tame as possible and the technological advancement was so fucked that people out of fear of being send into a workcamp, copied trademark signs when imitating the western technologies, to be as word-by-word as possible. Maybe you should stop reading delusional kikes and taking their globalistic ideas as a fact.

>>14026661
The child doesn't not suffer, he simply is not. If the child wants to live, you can't kill it because you don't want to see it or because it's for the betterment of the human species. It has to kill itself for it to not be a crime.

Besides, thinking the taxpayer will benefit from euthanasia is naive.

>>14026685
>The child doesn't not suffer, he simply is not
Stopped reading there, you are obtuse

>>14026684

Your reply states that I want what has already been done, this is not the case. As I said in my previous post, I know it's an unattainable Utopia because the human factor would fekk it 2 bits before it even had a chance to take off

>>14026700
>real communism has never been tried

>>14026684
I think he's talking about meme tier luxury gay space fully automated communism or at the least a brave new world tier society where nobody cares about their station in life because it's been bred out of them/eveything is provided for them as they are but I don't mean to assume for him that's just my interpretation

we're going to hit the bump limit soon and this topic is on fire so I hope someone is thinking of how to make part 2 without getting the mods itchy

>>14026705

Haha the line is old as the whore himself, I know, but nonetheless, the ideal of socialism in a vacuum is appealing, and with a mechanized society to boot one could argue that it wouldn't look like China or Soviet

>>14026705

Cont.

Still, I'm not saying that it would ever work. I just wanna rid this damn earth of the turds and demdems

>>14022763
God is real because people suffer. Goodness exists only relative to hellish suffering. It's just like how our lives have meaning only because they end; if our days weren't numbered you could just do anything tomorrow, and you probably would. There would be no gratitude if not for the alternative.

>>14022763
>posts pic of man who has gone through terrible suffering
>man received 250k in donations for facial reconstructive surgery since video upload
Wow anon, what a dick God is, huh?

>>14026990
This poster>>14022797 quintessentially makes the same mistake. Of course you could live that way without shame but you would also lose meaning itself which would render the most infinitesimal degree of inconvenience or hardship unbearable.

>>14027007
virtue signaling faggots or guilt-ridden faggots. Take your pick.

>>14026364
In other scientific research they have come up with much different numbers.
>The extracted data for 229 populations from the Atlas suggests that in tundra (circumpolar) environments with limited foliage, meat from hunted or fished animal foods contributes approximately 85% of the diet of the diet. Animal products contribute 42–62% in grassland ecosystems and 52–80% in forests (including temperate and rain forests) (Cordain et al., 2000; 686).

>Some nutrition scholars over the past decade have argued that the plant to animal subsistence ratios outlined above overplay the contributions made by animal products and downplay the significance of plant foods in the dietary repertoire of foragers. This may be linked to factors such as the way in which energy estimates were calculated, an observational bias of only attending to men's activities (Slocum, 1975), or due to the inclusion of circumpolar and mounted equestrian foragers1 (Marlowe, 2010; Milton, 2000). Indeed, alternative compilations of forager diet confirm this position. Both the seminal paper, “Paleolithic Nutrition” (1985), and the subsequent book by two of the same authors, the Paleolithic Prescription (1988), were the primary sources of cross‐cultural data on forager diet prior to the analysis by Cordain and colleagues. These sources suggest that plants constitute a much higher contribution to the diet, approximately 65%, with animal products making up the remaining 35% (Eaton, Shostak, & Konner, 1988). In addition, a more recent analysis by Frank Marlowe (Marlowe, 2005; and also summarized in relation to the Hadza of Tanzania in his 2010 book, The Hadza) suggests that the median diet of warm‐climate foragers is composed of 53% gathered plant foods, 26% hunted foods, and 21% fished foods. This estimate, based on data collations from 179 foraging populations found across several older sources (namely Lewis Binford's Frames of Reference and Robert Kelly's The Foraging Spectrum), makes the notable contribution of including fished resources, yet no methods of analysis for energy calculations are included—making it difficult to compare with other meta‐analyses.

Even still, I'm not arguing for vegan diets, of course its healthier to have a balanced diet, but I'd much rather go vegan than to source my meat and milk from these horrendous industrial slaughterhouses/agricultural concentration camps.
And please shut the fuck up with that dishonest pseudo science about going crazy. A healthy vegan diet is possible nowadays, and funnily enough also way more sustainable.
>inb4 muh rainforest for soi
We all know thats mostly for cattle farming in the Americas.

>/lit/ - Literature
This board has one rule.

>>14023950
The guy on the right has a huge cranium compared to the ghoul kid. Does that have a bearing on his intelligence? His brain must be at least 5 times bigger

>>14025582

>>14022763
Suffering isn't real, lmao

>>14024734
he's not a psychopath, just a supreme Chad

>>14025148

>>14025148
Woah you're right

>>14027030
Money is money

>>14022763
Serious question to everyone here, especially religious folk: Was this guy better off dead? Is it merciful to kill him? If you were his doctor, would you let him die?

>>14022763
I have no mouth and must scream

>>14027007
>the demiurge (partially) solves the problems he creates, praise be to Yaldabaoth

Ok dude

>>14022763
good meme. I have had psoriasis on my feet for all my life and can barely walk, no one cares. if the devil exists I was an evil person in my past life. I just deal with it since there is nothing I can do. maybe I can heal since its only my feet which are fucked up.

>suffering
Lifetime on earth is less than a blink compared to the eternal afterlife.

Also genetic defects can be traced back to human behaviour.

>Mom drinks
>Kid comes out with fetal alcohol syndrome
>Why did God do this???

>>14025008
Nihilism is the nagging child that tugs at your arm, begging for you to take it to the toy store. I choose to deny it because it is not my child. I follow one God, and stubbornly cling on to that belief.

>"too good to be true fairy tale land"
I thought it was a petty prison governed by some supernatural tyrant? I thought heaven was actually hell? Now it's suddenly cloud cuckoo land? Get your story straight

>it's all of these
Convenient yet lazy and incorrect answer

>waste the only life you know
>only life you know
As opposed to what? Engaging in senseless hedonism to forget your nihilism? Or striving towards some imperfect "Superman" pipe dream through "higher evolution" and other fables? Is that not also fruitless and a waste?

>>14022946
They don't

>>14025148
damn

>>14026990
A truly omnipotent being could simply bend reality around that and make so that there's happiness without sadness good without any mention of evil.
Are you trying to tell god what he can do and what he can't. IBF the god in the bible biases

>>14027126
>Some nutrition scholars argue
Not an argument, just ideology.

> I'd much rather go vegan than to source my meat and milk from these horrendous industrial slaughterhouses
Eating cruelty meat is still better for you than not eating any at all, as you need it. Even if the quality is worse.

> A healthy vegan diet is possible nowadays
It's not, there are micronutrients which you by definition can't get from plants or synthetics,

>>14027126
Just as one example:
“plant ALA can’t be sufficiently transformed into EPA and DHA (“Omega3”)”
>More specifically, most studies in humans have shown that whereas a certain, though restricted, conversion of high doses of ALA to EPA occurs, conversion to DHA is severely restricted. The use of ALA labelled with radioisotopes suggested that with a background diet high in saturated fat conversion to long-chain metabolites is approximately 6% for EPA and 3.8% for DHA. With a diet rich in n-6 PUFA, conversion is reduced by 40 to 50%. It is thus reasonable to observe an n-6/n-3 PUFA ratio not exceeding 4-6. Restricted conversion to DHA may be critical since evidence has been increasing that this long-chain metabolite has an autonomous function, e.g. in the brain, retina and spermatozoa where it is the most prominent fatty acid.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9637947
https://web.archive.org/web/20190514180553/https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9637947

>>14025148
Fuck you.

>>14029327
its always some scientists you dishonest fuck, its never "every scientist"
and about that DHA/Omega 3 bullshit arguement, most people eating meat would have to supplement that as well since western diets include for the most part very little fish. And yes, there is vegan DHA synthesised and packed into little pills, so please spare me with your bullshit.

>>14029377
In a healthy diet you have to supplement micronutrients, nobody in the world has regional access to every micronutrient and most human populations throughout history were in part heavily lacking in certain nutrients, and here comes the big surprise: they all ate meat dumbass!
How could this be, when you and your little panic studies just tried alarming me of the dangers of non meat diets?!
Go back to /pol/ dude, seriously, Im tired

>>14025148
bruh moment

>>14029201
/thread

>>14025148
just in case

>>14025148
Got me

>>14025148
not funny

>>14025148
fuck you

>>14022763
doesn't that guy think smiling like that is a bit inappropriate? like, it's a bit too jovial, think about the image you're in dude, calm down a little. it's not a real smile anyway, why the fuck go this overboard

>>14022763
Rescuing people when you know for sure their injury will impair them for life, if you'd dare to call it a life, is deeply fucking immoral. We understand it with animals but not with people, who are also capable of profound, soul-crushing mental suffering.

>>14023950
> he's absolutely mentally sound, speaks like a normal person
dear lord.

I have a theory that at some point medicine becomes so advanced it hurts people by saving those who'd otherwise die peacefully, dooming them to suffer - and their relatives too, especially with those extremely malformed newborns. I understand it when they save adults, but the toddlers who'd otherwise wouldnt be born at all - that blows my mind.
It is plainly cruel to create a human to just suffer.

>>14029616
It's not about scientists, you illiterate, it's about methology and N population.

>western diet
And nobody is promoting this retardation. I am talking about a proper diet depending on your gut health/ ethnic.

There is no vegan DHA, DHA can only come from animals. What gets sold as "vegan DHA" is actually ALA. Which they claim can get transformed into DHA easily in the body, which it can't in the necessary amounts.

>nobody in the world has regional access to every micronutrient
You don't need everybody, you need those to which your body has adapted which certainly are still available in the land where you have been "evolved" or are easily exchanged for non-local food.

>and most human populations throughout history were in part heavily lacking in certain nutrients
Wrong, the nutrition only became horrible with tha dawn of agriculture, HGs by necessity had a varied and good diet, not counting in bad tribal decisions and other extiction scenarios.

The dawn of agriculture actually diminsihed the consumption of meat to nearly non, most obviour in the middle ages, which also resulted in massive height (read: health) reduction. This only has been ended since the industrial revolution and more meat for everybody.

>muh panins studies
>muh /pol/
Neck yourself retard, those are anthropological meta studies only documenting shit, not some "red meat is dangerous" click bait.

But honestly, those falling for a starvation diet should keep on, more for me and ohther people wanting to remain fertile and healthy. Enjoy your slave diet, drone.

>>14024734
> scrolled through his channel
it's like an unhealthy fetish at this point, like grown ass crossdressers who hang out in gay/tranny kids groups online.
or like a sick fictional scientist showcasing his deeds.

>>14026410
underrated