/lit/ - Literature

Foreign admixture tarnished the Greek genius.

>>14022451
>Christcuckery

>>14022451
>Hasn't contributed anything to art and philosophy for the past 2000 years
you don't know this man, don't you?

>Cavafy
>Angelopoulos
>Kazantzakis
>Lanthimos

Greece has been a colony for 400 years, dysfunctional feudal state for another 1000 then a colony again for another 400 odd before becoming a third world country until recently, you're particularly retarded if you think the reason is Christianity (perhaps the only major artistic driving force in the country for most of its modern existence)

Bro
If anything blooms under christianity, it's art

>>14022477
Justinian wasn't Greek

>>14022451
they go big or they go home

>>14022451
the ancient greeks were an aryan people with no genetic relationship to the indolent turco-illyrian mongrels which now inhabit the region

>>14022461
>duhhh, it was diversity dat killt it
It was diversity that made it great.

>>14022477
This. It put the continent to sleep.

>>14022517
You’re (half) right. It’s also capitalism/statism and the poverty of imperialism that does this to people and places.

>>14022522
No, bro. Art persists despite dogma and censorship.

>>14022451
I really like Kazantzakis a lot

>>14022451
are you fucking stupid? greece has NEVER stopped making great art. there is not a single century in greek history without great art. the fact is that you aren't paying attention

>>14022604
Fuck you

>>14022451
They were backstabbed by other inferior europeans and overrun by ottomans. They haven't been relevant since then.

>>14022696
They've been doing nothing but the same icons and Byzantine style churches for going on 1500 years now.

Quite relevant
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3kiTAJdn4u8

>>14022985
End Christianity and tourism (capitalism)

Isn't it weird that if Modern Greece put it's entire economy into reconstructing Ancient Greece it would probably be better?

Imagine the architecture.

>>14022897
lol calling the mediterranean niggers half breeds a superior race. yes look at this pure white greek, might as well be from norway

>>14023006
As always, a retarded statement from the moth.

>>14023018
Greek dna hasn't changed in thousands of years. Cope more nordic faggot.

>>14023017
They were, but the Germans/EU central bank have all their money now. Capitalism doesn’t work that way.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AsFB2FP1dAg

>>14023031
it wouldn't matter if some turks and greeks mixed since they were always the same race and turks are whiter than swedes unironically (swedes are yellow chinks)

>he isn't doing his part by rehabilitating neoplatonism to break the stifling deadlock of modernity

>>14023018
lol they truly look mediterranean and white. nice cope, snownigger

>>14023115
OP here. I said I am a self hating Greek. Neoplatonism is cringe. I am a Whiteheadian.

>>14023128
>I am a Whiteheadian
/lit/ meme ideology, think for yourself and make your own system, even Whitehead did and all good philosophers do. I guess that's why you're a self-hating Greek, you have no talent either. Be the first Greek in 2000 years to do something new.

>>14023216
Im one of the anons that meme'd him here. I learned about him and was blown away. He is great.

>>14023238
He's fine, but to be great you should strive to be the person people follow, not be a follower to someone else. That's the better insight to learn from Whitehead.

>>14022451
You killed Socrates you fags you. The Gayreeks are the Jews of Philosophy. You are even 30% Macedonian Slav mulattos like the modern Jews are.

Philosophy was mostly solved by Jesus Christ. All that's left is some Theology.

>>14022451
Stop being so pathetic, faggot. 90% of civilizations can only point to their history as pride. There's such a tiny minority of nations you can quote-en-quote be "proud of" and, even then, it's mainly by fuckin retarded troglodytes who haven't ever accomplished anything themselves. You guys had Athens, you literally started philosophy, you had sex left and right, fuckin festivals to goddesses of wine and lust. You know how whiny you sound

The Industrial Revolution and its Consequences are at fault. Just look at Athens today, a sea of asphalt where people digest American culture, wear American clothes, eat American food, use American ways, etc

>>14022451
>American
There's your problem. Visit the actual country or even better, read a fucking book.

>>14022985
>>14022451
El Greco.

>>14022451
They had a large number of inventions during the Byzantine age. Some have yet to be recovered and the others initiated Renaissance when they fled the Ottomans.

>>14022604
>No, bro. Art persists despite dogma and censorship.
>

>>14022451
i think its the falling away of the societal institutions that allowed room for these ideas to develop like the democratic forum and religious theater, which is indeed partially caused by >>14022477

>>14024227
Brutalism is peak dilettantism.

>>14022477
This is horrible and ugly """art""" in comparison to pre-christian Greece. I hate christcucks so fucking much.

Theseus will come back from the dead anyday now don't worry

>>14024424
btw i wanted to add this image as a rec

>>14022451
Great civilizations exist as ideas only, the actualizations of which leave a permanent physical imprint but the ideas themselves are always eventually exhausted and forgotten.

>>14024424
You're a fucking moron.

>>14024569

>>14022451
Greeks have amazing cinema

>>14024227
You don't understand art

>>14024200
El Greco was an anomaly who was mainly working off western styles.

>>14024225
>the others initiated Renaissance when they fled the Ottomans.
No they didn't. The Renaissance was already begun well before the fall of Constantinople.
>They had a large number of inventions during the Byzantine age
Again, no they didn't. The most notable one is probably Greek fire which they forgot how to make themselves lol.

Shoo shoo Byzantiboo

>>14025565
You don't understand me :3

I'm 'artistic', or so the doctors say.

>>14022985
>Waaaaaah, I don't care that Byzantine iconography used groundbreaking techniques and styles that wouldn't be used in the west until the enlightenment because the topic they covered was overdone

>>14026318
>Byzantine icons influenced the art of the enlightenment
Are you retarded bro?

>>14025565
I swear to allah you contribute less than nothing to this board. Low-effort posts telling people they don't know anything about ____, with never an argument to back it up. You don't have the education to contribute interesting or enlightening posts, and I'm sorry to tell you that it shows. Stick to /fa/ and /mu/.

>>14022604
BASED

>>14023238
He's a meme and you're a retard.

>>14024096
Lel there are retards who actually believe this.

>>14026347
Am I here to entertain you? No, anon. You are here to entertain me.
>Allah
Of course.
The idiot sites Brutalism, a modern branch of architecture, he seems to be saying it has no soul or beauty for its secularism. But this is just one little pipsqueak opinion. You like the old churches, FINE. I’m not even a fan of Brutalism, but its come and mostly gone, a specialized style that’s mostly morphed into other styles. He doesn’t understand art because he thinks in Platonic/Christian terms of permanence, a static world of forms/souls.
So I understated it. He doesn’t just not get that beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, he doesn’t understand the way the universe works.
He was you, wasn’t he?

>>14026351
Oh thank you.
>>14025971
I think you must’ve misheard your doctor’s diagnosis.

>>14026420
>he doesn’t understand the way the universe works.
Holy shit, we got mister multi-dimensional entity over here
Tell me, how does the universe work?

>>14026420
>You like the old churches, FINE. I’m not even a fan of Brutalism, but its come and mostly gone, a specialized style that’s mostly morphed into other styles. He doesn’t understand art because he thinks in Platonic/Christian terms of permanence, a static world of forms/souls.
...what? the fuck? are you even talking about

Brutalism is fine. There are even examples of brutalist churches, your mind blown yet? If you understand art so well why are you trying to shoehorn babbys first philosophers into the discussion when you could have given evidence how the timeline of church architecture from the medieval period to the colonial to the strip mall bullshit of today? you know, backing up your feeble jab at capitalism with some facts. I'll tell you why: low effort.

>He was you, wasn’t he?
No, believe it or not more than one person here thinks your vain presence is a burden on the board.

Lack of brains trying to namedrop when all you had to do was actually think a little and follow through.

>>14026466

El Greco was pretty good desu

>>14026525
>There are even examples of brutalist churches
I posted one.
Next you seem to jab at capitalism, but pull back and call that “feeble” what-the-fuck indeed.
>Low effort
These are posts on a shitty antisocial porno site and you want an essay?

>>14026567
>shitty antisocial porno site
We are on 4channel, turd. Blue board. No porn allowed.

>you want an essay?
YES. Fucking YES. I want you to redeem yourself. I want everyone on this board to do their best. This community is SPECIAL, it's not like anywhere else on the internet. There are some smart cookies on /lit/ and when they speak it not only feels good to read but is also edifying. With every thoughtless post of yours, you make this special place palpably worse.

And if it wasn't clear before I'll repeat it: you could have continued your argument against capitalism in chuch architecture but instead chose to senselessly namedrop Plato and his theory of forms in reference to building design.

Spend a little time calling this turd out >>14024227

The Christians latched onto Plato and everybody still misunderstands the world in these ways, so yeah, I take a jab at Forms. Nothing lasts forever. All is transitory. I don’t see that as senseless. Too much info?
Guilty of packing too much into brief tweets and confusing you. ‘Kay.

Dumb faggot diasporafag I bet you don't even speak Greek