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"If one were to compare ancient physics, not with what the moderns call by this name, but with the totality of all the natural sciences as at present constituted— for this is its real equivalent— the first difference to be noticed would be the division it has undergone into multiple ‘specialities’ that are, so to speak, foreign to one another. This however is only the most outward side of the question, and it is not to be supposed that by joining together all these particular sciences one would arrive at an equivalent of ancient physics. The truth is that the point of view is quite different, and therein lies the essential difference between the two conceptions referred to above: the traditional conception, as we have said, attaches all the sciences to the principles of which they are the particular applications, and it is this attachment that the modern conception refuses to admit. For Aristotle, physics was only ‘second’ in its relation to metaphysics— in other words, it was dependent on metaphysics and was really only an application to the province of nature of principles that stand above nature and are reflected in its laws; and one can say the same for the Medieval cosmology. The modern conception on the contrary claims to make the various sciences independent, denying everything that transcends them, or at least declaring it to be ‘unknowable’ and refusing to take it into account, which in practice comes to the same thing. This negation existed de facto long before it was erected into a systematic theory under such names as ‘positivism’ or ‘agnosticism’, and it may truly be said to be the real starting-point of all modern science. It was however only in the nineteenth century that men began to glory in their ignorance— for to proclaim oneself an agnostic means nothing else— and claimed to deny to others any knowledge to which they had no access themselves; and this marked yet one more stage in the intellectual decline of the West."

>> No.14001485

>>14001463
>It's another "metaphysical larper with no scientific background makes statements about how modern science ACTUALLY works and why it's deficient" episode
yawn.

>> No.14001486

>>14001463
his head is small though so hes retarded midwit

>> No.14001577

bump

>> No.14002286
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>>14001463
Based guenon poster

>> No.14002290

>>14001463
I have never read anything by this man, but this statement is extremely obvious to anyone who's finished high school. Not just obvious in the sense "yeah I understand what you're saying" but that you've probably thought about this same thing if you had several years of elementary education.

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>>14001463
Hi Seguro

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>>14001463
Very groovy. Think I will read him now.

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>>14002310
xhello

>> No.14003146

>>14001485
Guenon had extensive training in mathematics and wrote books solely on calculus.

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>> No.14003331

>>14001463
Adam Driver is a lot smarter than I gave him credit for.

>> No.14003497

>>14003331
haha

>> No.14003544

>>14001485
>It's another "metaphysical larper with no scientific background
... he's a mathematician

>> No.14003605

>>14002332
bleh

>> No.14003620

>>14003605
I want to suck your blood!

>> No.14003771

>>14003159
It always makes me feel really strange to see Guénon memed.
Really the Kali Yuga is full of surprises.

>> No.14003793

Why did he convert to Islam rather than Hinduism?

>> No.14003797

>>14003793
Because he got an Egyptian loli as a wife out of the deal.

>> No.14003849

>>14001463
Pretty much on point except for the fact that he thinks that getting rid of the Aristotelian influence in modern science was a bad thing. Aristotles conception of nature is full of unobservable entities like "final causes" and "essences" whose postulation is highly gratuitous, to say the least

>> No.14003853

>>14003146
So? Mathematics is mostly logical statements about relations. I've had Mathematics professors who were ignorant as fuck in regards to Physics or any application of mathematics in the sciences or engineering.

>> No.14003878

>>14003793
he wrote in a letter that it was because of 'spiritual convenience' and that it didn't imply the superiority of one Traditional form over another

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>>14003853
>You're not a scientist!
>Yes I Am!
>Y-you're not a-a-a scientist enought!

>> No.14003898

>>14003853
Shrodinger wrote in the various books that he published that the Vedanta that Guenon heavily based his thought was correct about the fundamental nature of reality and that it was very much in line with the findings of quantum physics.

>> No.14003963

>>14003544
>>14003146
damm
seems are only people thoroughly btfo'ing out stem is stem people themselves
guenon, ted etc
and they aren't even btfo'ing stem just niggerlicious aspects of it but this is completely unobvious to stem fanatics since stem is the new humanities

>> No.14003985

>>14001463
Why the long face?

>> No.14004001

>>14003898
Schrödinger interpreted Vedanta as an Eastern version of Berkley style idealism. Leaving aside the fact that applying this philosophy to Quantum Physics is extremely dubious (if not downright bonkers) it has absolutely nothing to do with the way Guenon understood Vedanta. Srödinger's and Guenon's interpretations are completely different and mutually exclusive, and in fact what Guenon says about Metaphysics cannot be confirmed by science in principle because he explicitly says that it is not accessible to sensory observation.

Bottom line is, you don't know what the fuck you are talking about and you should probably lurk moar

>> No.14004109

>>14003793
Because anglos stopped him from going to India, their colony at that time. That is because Guénon critised anglos and their stuff like neo-spiritualism, spiritism, Helena Blavatsky,...

>> No.14004326

>>14004109
I myself find sufi tradition as much more appealing to european than hinduism. It is heavily influenced by neoplatonics, and therefore lies within the same cultural context. For example, I am orthodox christian, but didn't find any difficulties with reading and appreciating Ibn Arabi.

>> No.14004781

>>14004326
Isn't orthodox Christianity also very influenced by Neoplatonism though?

>> No.14004956

>>14004781
Orthodox mysticism certainly was. As for the Church in general, unlike Catholic Church it wasn't exposed to influence of Aristotle so it bears some degree of original Church Fathers platonism.

>> No.14004979

>>14004326
Of course. Christianity also had an influence on Islam and Sufism. But you are in a good situation. Being an orthobro you can have access to initiation on Guenon's terms.