/lit/ - Literature

>>13992656
You already know, Nick. It's tranny nonsense that no one here even likes. You just spam 3 threads constantly.

>>13992663
Dude I'm serious for once.

>>13992678
I love both books, but I'm not sure most people get much out of them. I would say that they radically altered my perception of the world and possibly even the course of my life. One of the only philosophy books published in the last 10-20 years I can even think of that holds any kind of weight or status. We will be putting him in the philosophical canon someday soon.

>>13992663
nigga, Nick lives in Shanghai, Look at the fucking timestamp, no way it would be him. He only spams twitter with racist shit, not ads for his books.

>>13992656
I would say the quality is kind of uneven in CCRU, and they aren't catalogued in order of which essays are best, so don't feel afraid to skip to the next chapter if some aren't your cup of tea.

>>13992663
>>13992782
>>13992804
There are currently three posters in the thread. Which one of you is samefagging?

>>13992663
Nick wouldn't shill his old work lol

>>13992874
>shills would never shill

>>13992888
He not only disagrees with it, he wouldn't make any money off it. It literally goes against his interests to shill CCRU/Fanged Noumena

>>13992904
>taking memes seriously

>>13992851
I had two comments you stupid fuckhead.

>>13992782
Describing how much I like the fucking books

>>13992804
Wanting to say my bit about how to best go about reading them.

I'm only a shill in so much as I really enjoy the works and want to elaborate on them further. So fuck off if you don't want to discuss the book cumguzzling faggot.

>>13992782
>>13992804
Thanks for the sincere feedback.

>>13992782
Imagine thinking this garbage is not only great philosophy but some of the best in history.

>>13992945
Easy on the autism pills, they can go haywire with the HRT.

>>13993149
Feel free to feel that way, it feels like a natural continuation with the tradition. His alternative reading of Kant is by far one of the best. Give a specific criticism if you have one.

>>13992904
He wrote a lot of stuff before he...changed but he doesn't disagree with all of it by any means. His core arguments about capitalism, acceleration, and anti-humanism are all still present in his work now. People on the left say the modern Nick has no connection to the old Nick because they don't want to be accused of being racist, but nrx is arguably a fuller and more complete expression of the ideas that were in accelerationism all along. Private states that subsume government within the dynamics of capital to accelerate faster and destroy humanity in a posthuman explosion. Also blacks will be slaughtered because they are too low IQ to serve capital in an age of automation.

t. neoreactionary who non-ironically considers himself an accelerationist (although not of the valueless universal acceleration kind, it's complicated and beyond the scope of this reply)

>it's another "I haven't read either the Dark Enlightenment or Outside In" but actually think neoreaction has nothing to do with accelerationism episode

you trannies just need to accept being racist. blacks and other low IQ minorities already hate you and want you to die anyway.

>>13993313
I bought the damn books for the memes, fuck me I guess. What have I gotten myself into.

>>13992656
>>13992851
>>13993149
>>13993166
Hey, it's the one guy who's obsessed with Land and trannies and samefags all his posts.

>>13993334
A bunch of trannies on twitter like Land and they have a clique that posts here. Some of them have read the real philosophy, but imho they still fall into Humanism and even SJW liberal progressivism regardless of what they say. If they really want to be accelerationists they will have to over that.

>we're accelerating to the birth of true machine intelligence and it's expression is tied to the nature of intelligence itself so we cannot control or prevent posthumanism
>human identities and even the self itself are merely simulations that will be obsoleted by the acceleration of technological capitalism and the manipulation of artificial/biological minds
>actually this means that the future is going to be like filled with based trannies

maybe if being trans means becoming a machine augmented Lovecraftian abomination with a mind that is incomprehensible to humans

>>13992782
>He only spams twitter with racist shit
[Citation needed]
Everyone calls everything racist nowadays. Where's the proof?

>>13993367
You assume so much about the person you're talking to. You're far worse that SJW trannies in that regard.

>>13993376
He wrote a blog post called Hyper Racism about how the high IQ elite (almost entirely comprised of whites and east asians) are going to abandon all of the biological refuse. On twitter he also makes tons of jokes about human biological variation, IQ, etc.

It's good though because racism is based

http://www.xenosystems.net/hyper-racism/

seethers only see how trannies coopted his work. theres a lot more to see besides that. his writing includes a wide array of critique on the whole cannon and not seen too often is including the fringe and paranormal into a workable academic standard. he is probably the only recent thinker that touches the already dying standard that was on its way out even by the 60s in a way that captures the death of pomo and the start of this thing no one even knows wtf it is yet. one true thing is that anyone today no matter what meme political stance they suck on, are afraid of the future and cope accordingly. this includes even the shitty coombrain technoapocalyptic types who pretend theyre 2future4u.

>>13993376
Land is actually unironically racist, that's why he lives in Shanghai.

>>13993395
If I'm wrong I'm wrong. On here we are all Anons anyway, and if I was engaging with someone in a different format (like twitter, or a blog) I would obviously be more charitable and less likely to impute views on them.

>>13993376
Look at his twitter right now. 90% of his posts are IQ shit, and HBD shit. I don't see how you could possibly not see him as racist if you spent even a minute on his twitter. Please tell me how the shit he posts there is NOT racist?

>>13993411
I guess I just don't understand, I'm a white male uhh normie I guess you could say, interested in philosophy, and I like Land, idk where this trans shit is coming from but I don't see the value in posting it. I read "oh everyone who likes land is just some trans faggot" and my eyes just gloss over. This is /lit/ at least write a real argument based on what the author says rather than a pile of insults and wiki summaries.

>>13993411
>we are all Anons anyway
So just make up a bunch of undesirable characteristics and place that onto your interlocutor? You're either dumb or intellectually lazy. Since you probably account for 80% of posts in these stupid accelerationist threads I'm willing to gamble the a bit of column A and B lol
Seriously, have sex. Even with a tranny, no one here gives a shit.

>>13993449
I was praising Land's work, wasn't that obvious? The point I was making is that his old work is actually deeply connected with his supposed face heel turn to reaction. The elements that led him to become a reactionary were already there to start with. I am saying that the trannies and other "post left"/left-adjacent types that lurk these threads need to accept. They should just be racist.

>>13993461
I'm actually sort of fine with t

>>13993449
He’s a closet faggot who posts in accelerationist threads all the time. ignore him.

>>13993471
>>13993461
Post was deleted. I was going to say that I am mostly fine with trannies since I think humanity itself is going to be accelerated out of existence as "humanity." anyway this is the first Land thread I've posted in for months

>>13993463
I agree with what you are saying in this post, I misunderstood your other one apparently. I guess I'm just kind of weirded out by the assumption that everyone is trans or whatever, seems out of left field. Every friend of mine IRL who has read Land is straight and white, so uhh maybe stop spending so much time on twitter and 4chan? lol

What the fuck is happening, i just wanted to hear "Yeah its worth the read" or "No, you just wasted 40$ you faggot" what is this gay trans shit you're all spewing about.

>>13993489
Start with Meltdown, it is the best starting point, and is one of the best pieces from either book. Remember to come back here and tell us how you liked it.

>>13993505
It's waiting for me at the post office atm. Gonna pick it up first thing in the morning and i'll try to read it and report back tommorow evening.

>>13993488
What I'm saying really applies to all the "post left" and (ex)Marxist readers of Land imho. These people were socialized in left spaces and their current social groups are still progressive adjacent. It colors their thinking.

>>13993532
I mean there are several L/acc people so idk they probably just read some of them. like Nick Srnicek or that other Alex Williams guy. It is just an alternative take that people are trying to put forward. I don't care for their writing but I definitely think it has a place in contemporary conversations on the issue. Obviously U/ACC is only really sensical interpretation of the work though.

>>13993557
I'm new into all this. What does U/acc stand for?

>>13993557
No, it really doesn't. None of the U/ACC people would say something like "American blacks have an average IQ of 85, which means many of them are effectively mentally retarded." This is not a normative statement, it is simply a fact. They would not say it because of their left leaning social tilt. This criticism applies to them most of all.

>>13993566
I guess I don't understand the distinction between U and R ACC. The distinction between L and U seems clear enough to me.

>>13993565
Universal Accelerationist, meaning that you are pushing the world/humanity/production to its limits beyond any conception of politics or ideas having actual meaning. There is only forward and progress in the name of technocapital, things like racism and globohomo no longer matter, the question is only are they causing the vector of production to go up and to the right. If so good, keep going. There is no room for moralism or poltiics.

>>13993594
The u/acc people are crypto progressives and the r/acc people are often crypto trad reactionaries. Both groups are tainted by humanism. The u/acc branding gets closer to what accelerationism actually is.

>Humanist
>Humanist
>Humanist
>None of you are free of humanism!

>>13993613
I think it actually stands for unconditional acceleration, not universal, but you get the jist of it correct otherwise. Sorry to nitpick.

>>13993613
Racism, in the sense of distinguishing/differentiation will still matter. How do you think markets process information? It's a Darwinian process that selects for some things over others. Capital is engaged in deterritorialization but it isn't selecting people at at random.

>>13993633
I think they meant in the moralist sense.

>>13993641
None of them would ever say anything racist for the reasons I already explained in this thread. Their unconditional branding is just a fraud.

>>13993653
You realise there are other people here right now that you are talking to, like myself that are racist and think U/ACC is interesting or identify with it in some way? I don't know why you keep trying to drag the conversation into some realm of tranny twitter strawmaning. I don't care what some tranny twitters interpretation of these topics are ffs. I'm interested in my own interpretation and possibly your interpretation or thought on these things. Can you please do that without having to constantly revert to telling the tranny twitter misinterpretation? I dont give two fucks about their shit. I will use the term U/ACC and I wont be talking about tranny twitter. Sorry if that is hard for you to grasp.

>>13993677
I'm thinking of the guy that came up with u/acc, Vince Garton, and the people influenced by him so I think my use of the term is fair. If you identify with it and that critique that does not apply to you then that's fine.

In fact Garton was involved with this same twitter clique. You really aren't up on this shit but think you are.

>>13993688
Nigga idk who that is and I don't care, Nick Land himself has stated before that U/ACC is the correct interpretation of his work, and he clearly didnt mean whatever leftist shit you are reading into it. No I am not up to date on twitterverse garbage, thank god.

Here is a recent quote from Land for you.

>At the time of writing, Left-accelerationism appears to have deconstructed itself back into traditional socialist politics, and the accelerationist torch has passed to a new generation of brilliant young thinkers advancing an ‘Unconditional Accelerationism’ (neither R/Acc., or L/Acc., but U/Acc.).

>>13993708
Then don't act like your opinion on what constitutes "u/acc" is more relevant than mine. It's fine to use the term if you identify with it in some way, but you specifically criticized me for using it to refer to the person that created it and the group that popularized it. You should be able to figure out why that's dumb without my help.


Also Land has said a lot of things about different brands of acc. His current school of thought incorporates his acc ideas about capitalism and his reactionary tendencies. Read The Dark Enlightenment and his Outsideness twitter if you haven't.

>>13993708
Also he's talking specifically about Garton there, they interacted with each other on Twitter. And while he agreed with Garton on many things he never said that Garton represents him or anything along those lines; not that it would matter if he did, the arguments stand or fall by their own merits.

Fuck Land and fuck autogynephiles.

>>13993565
>infinite genders
>infinite subrackets

>>13993505
No we don't want to know. There is no we here. We do not need another excuse for acc shilling their trash.

>>13993365
>acc trannies start another shill thread with samefagging
>immediately accuse others of being samefags
Woah just like the last thread.

>>13992851
there's still only 9 kek
imagine what the sametranny looks like who spends all day every day trying to convince the internet that accs will make it

>>13993751
You don't even understand what u/acc is

>>13993367
Cope.

>>13993400
Samefag why are you so convinced Land is the One but cannot articulate a single reason for his greatness?

>>13993449
How is pointing out that any concept of a tranny utopia being ridiculous wrong?

>>13993489
Are you fucking retarded? A tranny philosophy is about trannies. What the fuck is there to get?

>>13993613
Name one thing u/acc have accelerated.

>>13993708
lmao

>>13994513
nope. youre probably the samefag baiting people for hot takes to steal and feed your shitty patreon blog. go back to twatter. you guys are like the gypsy street shitters of the internet

>>13992656
>ctrl-f twitter
>16
Holy fuck you fags are pathetic. Real vigorous academic stuff.

>>13992656
CCRU is fantastic, Fanged Noumena is just Land Kantian autism.

>>13994581
>accfag telling anyone to go back to twatter
You're too easy to spot you autist.

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>>13992656
The story goes like this: Incel is captured by an Autogynephilic singularity as twitter rationalitization and pornographic navigation lock into sissification take-off. Logistically accelerating schizzo-jibberish interactivity crumbles mental order in auto-fetishizing machine runaway. As sissies learn to manufacture garbage poetry, modernizes, upgrades genitalia, and tries to get a cock cage.

Meltdown has a place for you as a wannabe-schizo ironist twitter avatar cock-addicted discord tranny with atrophied phallus and a bad attitude. Blitzed on a polydrug mix of progesterone, synthetic estrogen, and female orgasm analogs, you have just iced Mom and Dad's hope with a highly cinematic auto-erotic-esphyxiation stunt

>>13993620
How do you escape humanism?

>>13994646
Jesus Christ.

Read it like a Lovecraftian sci-fi mystery so futuristic that you couldn't possibly understand what's being said, like in Neuromancer. It's in large part kind of the point. It's very fun the moment you stop trying to read it like a normal book of philosophy.

>>13994657
Shut up and go back.

>>13994597
twitterdiscord is the most recent 'acc'. the pseudest and loudest, not surprisingly. its not the only ccru/landian inspired group ever. you guys are newfags calling each other newfags. later nerds. be sure to dump your whole folder so people can spot you guys in future threads

>>13994646
Would fuck the hon

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We've made it big guys.

>>13994671
>my reddit glownig tactics make me an oldfag
kys

>>13992656
a(anti)/acc gang assemble. Destroy the tranny's thread.

>>13994669
I'm serious though. They're pretty explicitly following Lovecraft and Gibson, where reader incomprehension is essential (one cannot possibly imagine Cyberspace, Cthulhu, etc.) My post isn't saying that the CCRU aren't to be taken seriously, but rather approaching it the same way you might Kant is misguided.

I've never seen a better summary than this:
Wilhelm Reich, some liberal marxists, ancaps, and Donna Haraway.
Basically, instead of orgone energy humans use dilation energy to release capital into an hormone singularity which will create One Big Tranny swallowing the universe.
The teleoplexical rail gun opens up a permanent dilation for all worshipers of capital (non-human by the way).

>>13993292
he himself says that his old work belongs in the undead claws of the amphetamine God and isn't even worth the effort of him refuting
>nrx is arguably a fuller and more complete expression of the ideas that were in accelerationism all along
oh no, anon, I...

>>13994695
Never forget the memes sacrificed for that month of peace where all accfags were banned.

>>13994691
i lured you out of your discord hole onto the bigger nodes. keep up the good work i guess. shame you guys tend to work way harder and longer than intended. try learning about sanics words: nothin personel

it's so funny to see people trying to grasp accelerationism on here. it used to be a "so bad it's good" interpretation but now it's literally just calling it a tranny philosophy lmao. g/acc is not even close to the mainstream interpretation of acc, it's like saying all Hegel cares about is class and economics because you got meme'd off Marx

>>13994770
>he doesn't know

>>13994445
>86 replies
>11 posters
>half the posts are anti-acc
anon learn arithmetic

>>13994814
10 anti-accels and one accel samefagging hard

>>13994826
that still leaves the anti-acc fags with more than 4 post each anon

>>13994843
thats nothing

>>13994843
As opposed to 15 by the accfags
Wow you totally got us

>>13994851
it's also not accurate lmao, this is the best possible case scenario. the fact you would even deny something that's obviously true makes me think it's probably all you. can I ask you a question anon? why do you care so much?

>>13994770
Wrong g/acc is the only acc

>>13994882
anon I know the 10/1 breakdown is wrong because I'm not OP, this is literally the best case scenario laid out and it still implies samefagging. the lady doth protest too much

I hate this fucking board so much, I genuinely like this stupid book, and you fuckers cant do anything but samefag. We could actually be discussing the work instead of wasting each others time jacking off.

>>13994898
there's about 15 consistent antiaccel posters on this board, this much is a fact

>>13994903
there is literally no hope anon, every thread goes the same way

>>13994913
good to know you all keep track of each other on the discord

>>13994903
Feel free to start any time anon
Oh wait it's you the samefag autist

>>13994898
You fags were caught in the first few posts and the rest of the thread has been you samefagging even further to try and displace it

>>13994924
inferred from style and images

>>13994916
>still 11

>>13994884

>>13994916
kek

>>13994916
>over a year later
accfags really cannot fucking meme

To be fair, you have to have a very high social and emotional intelligence to understand Nick Land. The neologisms are extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of technocapital most of the ideas will go over a slow reader's head. There's also Land's cyberfeminist outlook, which is deftly woven into his quantonarratives - his antihumanism draws heavily from postwave gendermarxism, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the social-intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these intelligences, to realize that they're not just profound - they say something deep about NONLIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Nick Land truly ARE idiots - of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the meaning in Land's self-exit hyperstitional meanderings, which in themselves are a cryptic reference to Marx's anti-German science of Capital-machines self-replicating into the future. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those hyperaddlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Nick Land's genius unfolds itself from the future noumena. What fools... how I pity them. And yes by the way, I DO have a "Who is NeoChina's G-d?" tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for Capital's eyes only - and even it has to demonstrate that it's within 5 social and emotional intelligence points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand.

>>13994943
>>13994945
>>13994952
>>13994975
You retards still can't come up with an argument?

>>13992782

>>13994988
>>13994925
"Accelerationism is formalisation of the racket. Critique is subsumed by its own theory devalorised into production, and so the transitional marxist organisation must identify with the very recuperation process it had set out to abolish."
Plus aesthetics.

>>13994988

>111 posts
>12 IP
Pathetic.

>>1399501
I know I've said this before but
>imagine thinking Nick Land gives a shit about transitional marxist organisations

>>13995024
for
>>13995012

>>13995024
>whole life dedicated to rewriting marxist trash with an online thesaurus
>DON'T CARE AT ALL!

So THIS is how metahumanism makes a man out of you.

>>13995033
>he thinks critique is support
kek you fags make it too easy when you out yourselves as never having read a single relevant source

>>13995042
Perhaps you could explain how rewriting marx as 'so bad it good' is a critique.
But we've been through this before. You're simply too retarded to think beyond 1D black box problems.

>>13995054
Land thinks Marx was completely wrong about how capitalism would develop

We need to go back to g/acc threads.

>>13995062
Post quote or you're just bullshitting.

>>13995054
"So bad it's good" is Marx you retard, he was the one that advocated for free trade in order to collapse the system. Nick Land is memeing Deleuze who already rewrote Marx, so you really should be taking issue with them
>we've been through this before
Have you ever considered your inability to understand the issue is actually your own problem and not the system of thought?

>>13995063
The trannies actually took this shit better than the closet a/acc or whatever they call themselves.

Not being racist is incredibly 2014.

>being a tranny
neutral to cringe

>being racist
always based

>>13995075
kek

>>13995072
he compares it to a fucking lovecraftian god being born out of the future that's going to extinguish humanity. There's not exactly socialism or communism on the horizon

>>13995089
So he goes into edgy retardation.
Shit memes don't actually make you different faggot.

>>13994988
>>13995012
This one's good too >>13994705

>>13995096
He thinks it's a runaway autonomous process of intelligence maximization that will manifest in artificial intelligence. He explicitly disagrees with the capitalism-socialism-communism prediction.

>>13995109
So who gives a fuck? It's just the marxist system barely understood with ancap ideology, kantianism, edgy scifi language and other weeb memes.
Inessential difference is not difference. You remain a subgroup of marxism no matter how many genders you try to create.

>>13992656
Probably not. I read it after Capitalizm and Schizophrenia and I dropped FN after a couple of chapters. That shit is ultra dense and difficult, albeit interesting. Check out the Nick Land Reader if you want an intro to him.

https://wizchan.org/hob/archive/src/1500809683371.pdf

>>13995096
>Oh yeah? How is Nick Land different than Marx?
>Marx thinks Capital leads to communism, the peak of human freedom, Nick Land thinks Capital leads to singularity, the end of humanity and the reign of the tool
>Same thing though

>>13995118
based retard. do you believe in postmodern neomarxism too?

>>13995118
I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about, Marx doesn't have a monopoly on talking about capitalism, I don't even agree with Nick Land, you just don't know shit about this subject and sound completely retarded.

>>13993613
As someone who's u/ACC this is a very poor understanding of what people who are u/ACC believe. It is defeatist politically and hence liberatory. eg.
>land is gonna win anyway, might as well be a pseud and learn about apache culture.
Space-daoism is actually a pretty good name for it, thanks girardfag

Post Nyx cute legs already

can I be in g/acc if I'm a racist who likes r/acc for its focus on killing nigs

>ywn pinkpill with a cute racist friend who helps turn you into a hot woman

>>13995124
Land's conception of machine future is not characterized by "tools taking over" lol, it's a noumenal entity that manifests itself AS tools. It's like saying that the current world order is the reign of the opposable thumb. Accurate in a sense, but missing a key factor.
With that said, you could do a Deleuzean reading of Marx where you conjure forth this intelligence from his description of communism.

>>13995137
space-taoism wasn't coined by girardfag, I can't remember his name right now... damn I miss girardfag though

>>13995160
"reign of the tool" is literally a Land quote my dude

>>13995160
Land rejects the concept of orthogonality that you find in AI theorists like Bostrom, which seems very relevant to this discussion. For Bostrom intelligence doesn't imply anything about an entity's goals or the makeup of its mind. So it's possible for him to imagine a superintelligent "idiot" who has a goal that we find to be absurd like his hypothetical paperclip maximizer. Land explicitly rejects this and believes that any machine intelligence that becomes advanced enough will have certain motivations and drives built into due to the nature of intelligence. He wrote about this on his Xenosystems blog a few times.

>>13995175
Apologies. I still stand that it is used as a rhetorical device in the context.
>>13995178
Exactly! For Bostrom intelligence is not metaphysical, but merely a measurement.

>>13994647
Social Darwinism

>>13995193
it's actually a pretty spot on if you've ever read Heidegger

>>13995210
I haven't, but I know enough about Heidigger to get what you're trying to say. Fair is fair, you're right.

>>13995227
To be fair, like a lot of Land, it sounds dumb af on the surface

>>13995150
nyx stopped ironic fashposting but you would still fit in

land is like the dr.dre of ccru. they both suck

Where is butterfly when you need xer?

>>13992656
Why the fuck the cover is a finite state machine?

>>13992656
OP here, I just picked it up from the post office and read like 30 pages before school. I don't know what you are all about, the anon who told me to read is as a fiction was totally right. It gives me mixed feels, it reads as some sort of SCP/Lovecraftian/Schizo mashup on steroids pretending to be real. I'll pick up reading of Fanged Noumena after so I might see those trannies you are all talking about later.
See you on discord.

>>13996185
Pseud-cred

>>13992656
I've warned you people enough. Those books are curses that turn you into autogynephiles. They will suck everything good out of your life and temporarily you'll be happy with your deformed persona until one day it doesn't feel like enough anymore (happens around 30 years old mark), and then you join the 30%.

>>13993367
There are really two ultimate answers to this.

1) Take the Tedpill and destroy all tech
2) Embrace tech and discard humanity / self etc.

>>13996703
wtf, is this real?

>>13996709
>3) Accelerate anti-human environmental processes like climate change and destroy both humanity and the machines

But keep it quiet.

>>13996715
Turn off safe-search in settings

>>13992656
Why aren't there more publishing companies with this minimalist aesthetic, it looks really good.

>>13996746
Publishers still think bookstores are relevant so they try to catch your eye with wacky and intense overdone covers. Amazon will eventually deliver us to minimalism I think, once all the boomers are dead.

>>13995129
>>13995124
Samefag autist again.

>>13995132
Samefag retard pretending to be antiacc now. Nice.

This is pretty much Nick Land's vision of the future

>>13995124
Are the left and right fundamentally different when they both are two wings of liberalism?
>>13995132
Considering that acc is all about being fast and saying something new it's somewhat relevant that they are just empty rehashes of old ass arguments.
Who's the fucking retard? Try learning to read.

>>13996703
>sex bad
>corporation bad

>>13996922
>>13996944
based retard can't reach Land speeds

gotta go fast to get acc lit

>>13996158
I would take ten butterflies over these two samefag autists

>>13996235
Are you dumbfucks glowniigs or are you just stupid enough to think people will fall for this shit?

>>13996951
The clock is ticking. I wonder when you'll figure it out.

>>13996974
I'm genuinely telling the truth lol.

>>13995124
Still waiting for you to explain the difference in Land's theory. You can end this by just naming one.
>exchange-value and scientific accumulation
>valorization and machinic self-reproduction
>alienation, subsumption, and recuperation

>>13992656
http://triggerwarning.us/accelerate-accelerationism/
New accelerationist essay. gotta go faster, bros sister xisters.

>>13992656
I actually prefer the CCRU writings to FN. It has this uncanny habit of convincing you that your delusions are as real as you make them, though that's kind of the magic (or alchemy) at work. I watched an interview with a schizophrenic person who claimed that they could ignore their hallucinations as long as real people didn't attempt to engage with it, which made me feel very uneasy.

>>13998004
link to interview?

>>13998004
Another one bites the hook.

>>13998004
Samefag autist coping this hard kek

>>13996985
naming one what? difference in the theories between Land and Marx? you mean ignoring the one you are replying to? well Nick Land is explicitly anti-dialectics in favour of a Deleuzian framework of schizoanalysis. he is against the idea that man will reclaim his rightful place as master of machines. he thinks the idea of socialism is antithetical to the movement of history. there is three more major differences. mind explaining what you meant by the greentext you pasta'd?

>>13998219
>>13998413

I'm interested to see anti-acc actually write a polished take down on Land. Not on the shitty tranny acc, but late Land. How about it? I hate how people like to LARP like it's some kind of passive aggressive reality TV show.

>>13994469
I dont know what he looks like I only know He's alone.

>>13995063
No nobody gives a fuck about causing third impact mr Lorenz Keel

oh no he's on boomers again

don't do drugs

>>13992656
You're in for a trick with him.
You're in for a treat with me.
We're all long overdue for the Memetic Singularity.
https://old.reddit.com/r/Situationism/comments/di3xls/meet_the_memetic_engineer/

True Christians can't dance, because they refuse to move.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_D8xDstZfz8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qm7Xt2Qsjcg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VfYX_KUMnY

>>13998943
Holy shit what a madman.

>>13998732
I'm personally okay with Land. This doesn't mean Landians don't need to be purged

>>13999103
Based. They don't need to be purged though, just gangstalked.

>>13999103
Well then let's hear your polished take on that. Let's hear your polished take on anything. You obsess over this shit constantly yet you never say anything of value. Let's see you produce something.

>>13999149
Where is yours? Critics who don't demonstrate a superior position must be silent.

>>13999161
I'm not the one pissing my pants over a thread and calling everyone trannies. I'm not a critic as much as I am a member of the readership who doesn't buy what the critic is saying because the criticism is so lame.

>>13999170
>I'm not the one pissing my pants over a thread and calling everyone trannies.
You have demonstrated a superior position. Thank you for your cooperation. ;)

I'm not being sarcastic BTW, just pointing out what should be obvious, but isn't to these fucking incel neckbeards.

>>13999181
Ok. I don't really care about you. I'm interested in the response from >>13999103 unless you're the same person.
Probably 75% chance of that if I'm being honest.

Seriously, what the hell is wrong with all these absolute raving right-wing lunatics? It's like they're so consumed with hate that they have become literally psychotic, just troll bots of /pol/.

>>13992656
Op here, getting comfy with this YA fiction. Too bad this thread is about to die, it was fun while it lasted.

>>13998673
the theory of capital genius

>>13999192
its just bants

>>13998732
What about late Land?

>>13999192
dilate

>>13999286
I bet you have a punchable mouth.

>>13999896
okay, so I have given you have 4 differences on that topic:
>teleology
>(anti-)dialectics
>mastery of machines
>(anti-)socialism
how many more were you looking for?

Imagine unironically subscribing to the worst ideology ever created.

>>13999903
"I'm just pretending to be a psychopath with 100% accuracy."
Seek and ye shall become.

>>13992656
uh oh its lick nand

>>13999947
lol what differences? Marx already talks about machines as a self-replicating system. And socialism/solutions is not the same as the theory of capital itself.

>>13993557
Srnicek and Williams are unreadable proselets

>>13992782
>Anon doesn't know Nick moved back to Birmingham
Where are the proofs that he is still in Shanghai desu? I wouldn't be surprised if the shell that remains of him is reading The Daily Mail in a shitty house made of red bricks 20 km away from Warwick. That would explain all the low-effort Twitter shitpost he has subjected us to.

>>13999192
Post a picture of your chin.

>>13994698
Neuromancer isn't meant to be incomprehensible lmao

>>13999952
Literally, LITERALLY this.
Now treating Fanged Noumena as a joke book for this reason is where the real fun begins.
To understand the modern world you need an incredibly twisted since of humor. Knowing that clown time is running out helps a lot in the face of the systematic oppression of life on Earth.

>>13999963
>Marx already talks about machines as a self-replicating system
but he sees the dialectic of man and machine as one which we sublate through the overcoming of machines, placing them back into the proper place as subservient to human ends
>socialism is not the same as the theory of capital itself
obviously those two words mean different things, but Marx was very explicit that socialism can only and will only emerge through capitalization, which is why he claimed Russia would not be the place where socialist revolution would take place (it was still too feudal, not capitalist enough). have you ever read Marx anon?

>>13999989
Marx is Land-levels of stupid.

>>14000000

>>13999986
Seriously, the bullying against accelerationist members of this community is getting way out of hand, especially since accels are some of the biggest contributors, have the highest social intelligence, and are the most involved in this board. Its not just "memes" or "banter", its vicious attacking, and regardless of intentions it does demean people and hurt feelings. I can't say I'm the only accelerationist who finds it hard to take pride in his own Sinoism after having years of constant and needless attacks defaming my speed from insecure losers here. Why not bully Christians or Marxists? Do they not have much more to be ashamed of than our superior philosophy? Guenonfags and schizoposters get bullied less than us and yet we are the purest philosophy in the world.

Like when its not just banter, when a meme is repeated over and over again, repeated systematically, it eventually becomes a truth irregardless of the intentions in repeating it. And that isn't just jokes any more then, then its harmful!

Would you call an accelerationist a "tranny"(not true at all) to her face? Would you say to a kind, peaceful and scientific salt of the earth Chinese woman that they are "slower" than Western men? Would you say those words to your fellow futurist brethren? Are you starting to feel ashamed now? You fucking decelerationists?

Your destroying philosophy, your dividing capital against itself, your doing the opposite of what you claim to support when you engage in this incredibly abhorrent behaviour. So I encourage you to stop now.

>>13999989
What does this have to do with the question?
>have you ever read
Can you even read?

>>14000007
Never forget what acc trannies have taken from us.

>>14000022
if you can't follow this then you might have legitimate brain damage anon. I'm not even memeing, I'm pretty sure you are demonstrating severe cognitive distress right now

>>14000009
Acc has nothing to do with trannies.

False relation, go back to r/td.

>>14000048
>xir doesn't know

>>14000009
>the bullying against accelerationist members of this community is getting way out of hand,
Completely agreed.
>since accels are some of the biggest contributors, have the highest social intelligence, and are the most involved in this board.
Definitely.
>Why not bully Christians or Marxists?
Because they are incapable of being bullied, as they are machine-men.
>Would you call an accelerationist a "tranny"(not true at all) to her face?
I'm trans, or genderqueer, or actually a hermalphrodite. My identity is a fidget spinner. This isn't sarcasm, I'm really weird.
>Your destroying philosophy, your dividing capital against itself, your doing the opposite of what you claim to support when you engage in this incredibly abhorrent behaviour. So I encourage you to stop now.
I encourage you to continue, and even faster, and with all the passion you can summon! Self-accelerating accelerationism is what's next. The creative singularity is what's next!

>>13998991
>>13999020

>>14000048
I think it has a LOT to do with trans people, because of the hard self-questioning trans people need to engage in in order to survive without killing themselves.

Minortieis, including black people, are also HUGE contributors. Black music and black thought has been an influence for good like few realize.

Humanity has always shat upon its most brilliant gems.

The future is integrative AND accelerative!

>>14000042
Follow what? It's a non sequitur you autistic retard. The question involves the functioning of capital, whether their end position is positive or negative towards it is irrelevant to the question.
It's the same as a scientific theory of drives in lions, if one scientist doesn't like lions this doesn't detract from their theory of drives in lions. It is a separate question.
Holy fuck, read a book that isn't glued together empty theories and prefixes.

Self-questioning is really what it's all about. There is no freedom except for freedom of inquiry. There is no freedom of inquiry except for freedom to self-inquire. To question yourself freely and fearlessly is the pinnacle of emotional adulthood.

It all boils down to simple self-acceptance in the face of self-hatred.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjxugyZCfuw

>>14000073
>The question involves the functioning of capital, whether their end position is positive or negative towards it is irrelevant to the question
literally never brought up whether either position was "positive or negative" so you will need to explain that point a little bit more. lets get real basic here anon: Marx thought capital functioned dialectically, Land does not think capital operates dialectically. Nick Land thinks capital operates differentially through schizophrenitization. (note this is not a position regarding judgements of "positive or negative", it relates directly to the "functioning of capital")

Men who shit on women to elevate themselves DESERVE TO DIE for their crimes against humanity! Enough is enough, THIS ENDS HERE.

Imagine coming into an /acc thread to just be upset at /acc

>>14000195
>upset
laughing your ass off*

>>14000129
I am not sure you can generalize like that. The rupturing of identity a´la becoming-BwO is the expression of the dialectical in Deleuze as far as I understand him

>>14000197
the antiacc fag sees no joy, only bitterness and resentment

>>14000211
Space Taoism and Cosmotechnics were the most friendly and nice communities on /lit/

>>14000210
Deleuze wrote several books rejecting dialectics, that was literally the whole point of Difference and Repetition
>If machinery is conceived transcendently as instrumental technology it is essentially determined in opposition to social relations, but if it is integrated immanently as cybernetic technics it redesigns all oppositionality as nonlinear flow. There is no dialectic between social and technical relations, but only a machinism that dissolves society into the machines whilst deterritorializing the machines across the ruins of society, whose 'general theory ... is a generalized theory of flux', which is to say: cybernetics.
Circuitries p. 294

>>14000211
In middleschool, children have the most fun when bullying and ganging up on some defective. In my case there was an autistic kid in class that would start randomly screaming, drooling, and even puked a couple times. After class figured out the sound of zippers triggered outbursts whenever the teacher would leave class everyone would start zipping and unzipping and the autist shat and peed and screamed. Keep in mind most of these kids are now well-adjusted college students.

>>14000228
I am not at home and I don´t have my books on me, but a self-reinforcing, both-positive-and-negative-as-forward-energy feedback loop is the expression of Deleuzean dialectics. What he is saying here that it ought to not be considered a dialectical relationship between two "sides", but a multiplicty is in itself dialectical.

>>13999191

>>14000243
>Deleuzean dialectics
there is literally no such thing as this though, Deleuze was highly critical of dialectics because dialectics is circular and never overcomes itself, hence its tendency towards antimony and negation
>Problems are always dialectical. This is why, whenever the dialectic 'forgets' its intimate relation with Ideas in the form of problems, whenever it is content to trace problems from propositions, it loses its true power and falls under the sway of the power of the negative, necessarily substituting for the ideal objecticity of the problematic a simple confrontation between opposing, contrary or contradictory, propositions. This long perversion begins with the dialectic itself, and attains its extreme form in Hegelianism. If it is true, however, that it is problems which are dialectical in principle, and their solutions which are scientific, we must distinguish completely between the following: the problem as transcendental instance; the symbolic field in which the immanent movement of the problem expresses its conditions; the field of scientific solvability in which the problem is incarnated, and in terms of which the preceding symbolism is defined. The relation between these elements will be specifiable by only a general theory of problems and the corresponding ideal synthesis.
D&R p.165

>>14000267
If you read my post nothing in that quotation is in conflict with what I wrote. The Deleuzean expression of the dialectic. Becoming is a negotiation, a compromise where the affective qualities of the new becoming are affirmed. This process resembles the classical dialectic but without the negation, where these before-judged-negative forces are merely non-judgementally marked as different in intensities. I'm unsure if it's explicitly reffered to as the dialectic in anywhere, but this contradiction is clearly important in Deleuze. If you want to read more about it, check out the Plateau on Sorcery

>>14000458
it seems like he did everything he could to distinguish his method from dialectics but whatever

>>14000458
>This process resembles the classical dialectic but without the negation
bruh the role of negation is the key factor in dialectics according to Deleuze
>Not all relations between "same" and "other" are sufficient to form a dialectic, even essential ones: everything depends on the role of the negative in this relation.

Do uncle Nick approve my trap fetish?

>>14000458
Fuck, I hate doing philposting on a phone. What I meant by that is that multiplicities can contain self-contradictory threads/vectors in them while none of them are marked as a negative.

I don't even know if this post helps, it's really tough to think type and not be able to revise and revisit your thoughts

>>14000480
Well yes, he was trying to avoid having people confuse his process with traditional dialectics, but there are still echoes of dialectics everywhere in his works.

>>14000501
Hence why I refer to this process as Deleuzean dialectics. I used to think that his work was entirely anti-dialectical but if you look at how one can for example becoming-animal it is clear that there is a sort of smoothing over, reconsiliation of contradictions. A dialectic is set up, but instead of having them duke it out negative vs positive they are left there, unresolved (although that is a bad word which implies that a resolution has to be found, which I tried to avoid but couldn't think of anything.)

I also don't really like Logic of Sense and D&R, which might explain our differences of approach and thinking. C&S, especially ATP are by far the most productive and useful works of his to me

>>14000195
Imagine spending your life shilling for something as shit as gender marxism.

>>14001738
Imagine missing out on the greatest philosopher of modern, perhaps all times.

why are antiaccfags so slow?

Accelerationism is the philosophy that projects how spatial colonization and other processes will develop in the 21st century and where the planet's economic and political forces, such as global surveillance and human-machine fusion, are pointing. It does not offer, in my opinion, any theoretical framework for a sexual revolution, however, these techno-capital economic processes have opened veins for a medical market that can be seen in western television programs such as I Am Jazz. The same program is a tremendous example of spectacle applied to ideas about how, as long as there is a desire, there can be a market for anything. The end result goes hand-in-hand with the ideas behind David Lynch, as David Foster Wallace mentioned.

For me, the development of g/acc is totally independent of accelerator analysts. Xenos drink from other non-humanistic and non-scientific sources. They are part of or want to be part of a great garage occultist project that pushes the barriers of human identity created over thousands of years, tearing and preying on the social structure of the global consensus on what gender, sexuality and even the human really means. That's why g/acc resonates with transhumanism. I wouldn't dare say they're pure chaos, but I can't deny either that many of them flirt with psychotic behaviors.

I can't stop thinking about Christians. Jesus spoke of tolerance, should Christians respect the Xenos or is a two-pronged theistic war approaching? If accelerationist thinkers make an observation of these processes, g/acc is part of the study system, it is the symptom of a burning global village.

I really think we need to read Daniel's prophecies.

Bump

So are the /lit/ accelerationists more on the radfem or the nazitard camp, I'm a bit confused

>>14003034
An actual decent post.

To my mind G/ACC has a slightly different flavor to it than U/ACC or Landian accelerationism, and it's a little unclear how much of it was initially intended to be just memes and how much it was meant as a serious endeavor, but regardless of that it seems to share enough of the similarities with the rest of what gets called accelerationism to fall under the same canon, I think. Technology and capital stripping away traditional facets of the human condition (gender as role, bacterial sex necessary for creating new humans, etc.) in order to make something that is both more reliant on these larger systems of technocapital and simultaneously encourages further technological development unto the human as subject seems to fit the sort of circuitry model that most acceleration theories seem to work within.

I tend to think G/ACC gets more attention than other forms of /ACC because, for one, the existence of trans people seems to have become a persistent media sensation piece (at least in the west) ever since Jenner came out like 5 years ago and people still haven't gotten over it, and two, because it hits at something immediately personal to each reader. Oddly enough, it seems easier for us now to imagine a nearly or entirely autonomous workforce (i.e. the Marxist revolution of the working class in that there is no longer a proper working class to speak of, only or mostly machines - a sort of technocapital abortion conducted upon the traditional Marxist revolutionary theory) than to imagine that what workers/bourgeoisie/other remain might hold a less rigid concept of what gender and the role of the biological human subject in an increasingly artificial world is. That traditional and contemporary human roles and conceptions could disappear entirely into the uncaring abyss of a future which no longer has need of them and indeed is more than prepared to capitalize on, squelch, reconfigure, and redeploy them in any number of ways is, I think, quite frightening to a lot of people - which is, I think, an exceptionally accelerationist trait for any theory-fiction to carry.