/lit/ - Literature

>overcome sexual desire? that doesn't make any sense!

>Needing literature to help you be chaste
Might as well castrate yourself

>>13988679
not to just be chaste, i mean to overcome the desire for even chaste marriage.

>>13988665
>Lord, forgive me for what I am about to do.

>>13988672
Had a friend tell me this the other day. How to explain to normies? They just flat out don’t accept that some passions are not expedient!

this is probably a difficult book if you don't have certain prerequisites, but a good one nevertheless

https://ia802902.us.archive.org/31/items/TheCoiledSerpent/The_Coiled_Serpent.pdf

The Four Illusions (translated by Karen C. Lang)

A Buddhist text/commentary that does a good job offering help to monks that want to eliminate desire.

>>13988665
Coiled Serpent
Canzoniere (have to read the whole thing)
Imitation of Christ

>>13988689

The confessions of saint Augustine

>>13988696
Like the sow wallowing in the mire, they are so immersed in their own filth, they no longer see the malice or consequences of/to their actions. Everyone else is just as covered as they are. They cannot see life without this because they made it their highest focus in life. As such, reason is disordered and is no ordered by rationality after perfection, but is subjugated to sensual appetites. Rather than the individual ordering them with reason, the appetites order the reason of the individual to do its bidding even when it is not in the interest of the person. Then, as these appetites are fed, vice inherently leads to habit, which itself is a demon all its own in terms of how strongly it grasps the one afflicted. They become like a straw, hopeless but to be blown around by every passing wind. An image. A woman. A message. A word. A thought. That is all it takes for them to go back to the vomit and repeat their folly time and again.

>>13988734
i always wondered: does he get into theology in this? i haven't finished reading plato.

>>13988767
>no ordered by rationality
no longer*

>>13988665
Sayings of the Desert Fathers

>>13988665
I've got something better for you, listen to this:
https://archive.org/compress/blackphillip/formats=VBR%20MP3,ITEM%20TILE,JPEG,ARCHIVE%20BITTORRENT,METADATA

So I’m reading The Coiled Serpent and from the first page and a half it seems like the book’s gonna tell me that I should get a wife and have sex but I’m doomed to be a virgin so should I just give up and masturbate myself to death

>>13988809
Read science discovers the value of continence instead.

tolstoy notably was a proponent of restraining from sexual pleasures so you might find interest in that

>>13988797

>>13988665
St. Augustine's confessions are a must. He struggled with sexual sin his whole life.

Sex is not a sin unless you are a priest or monk.

>>13988665
No.
You’re just going to have to practice self control until you turn into an old man with a lowered sex drive

>>13988849
t. brainlet chock full of prolactin, hypofrontal lobes, and downregulated dopamine receptors. Most of the religious posters don't even care about the actual sinfulness of an act, many don't even believe in God. They want to abstain because they see the carnal for the distraction it truly is.

>>13988665
Siddhartha

>>13988849
the celibate life is more efficacious to god even for a laymen

>>13988855
Lust does not go away with age, brainlet. It even become stronger due to chiefly to habit and the atrophy of faculties related to inhibitory control. If you've ever worked with seniors as patients, they are the most hypersexual demographic. They have the highest amount of STDs and if questioned, their frequency of release is very high. The strictly hormonal frequency hypothesis behind male sex drive has been debunked since the 1990s.

>>13988665
Women are wonderful. You make them whores and then you move on. They don't stay that way and there is no reason to expect them to, but constant egalitarianism isn't always desired in ars amatoria. The books I've come across that have advocated for any vociferous divorce from the other sex are all by 18th-19th c. loonies. You don't overcome your desire, you sublimate it with the arts, all the better to dole out its undistilled expression when the time is right.

>>13988883
Look, some people get addicted to it, some people needlessly attached to it. Baby-boomers buying viagra and all that. But it does naturally wane in the declining years. When did you turn 66, 56, 46?
You’re an idiot or a troll pushing a meme, but either way, I want you to take your trash out of here

>>13988914
>But it does naturally wane in the declining years.
[citation needed]

>>13988931
>Needs a Wikipedia article instead of firsthand knowledge from the experienced.

>>13988936
are you a 70 year old man?

>>13988936
Mfw butterfly is a 60+ boomer and not the maiden of wit that I've been lusting over.

>>13988936
'First hand knowledge of the experienced' comes from observation of older patients in my practice who indeed exhibit hypersexuality in far greater numbers than any other age group.

>>13988936
>appealing to personal anecdotes
that's like the least trustworthy ways to believe something

>>13988959
Nursing homes are really just like any other gathering of normies huh. The ride never ends. I hope I can kill myself before it gets bad if I ever get dementia.

>>13988894
>you sublimate it with the arts
books on how to do this if i'm not good at art?

>>13988958
feels bad desu baka

>>13988987
You can't be good at something you don't do. Either you care about making art or you don't. If you don't then enjoy living a low tier life.

>>13988959
Imagine sending your mom/grandma/wife with alzheimers to a care home knowing she's gonna forget about you and get fucked by equally confused old men every day.

>>13988985
He’s lying.

>>13988994

>>13988767
Not an argument

>>13988936
lmao butter you're a joke

forgive me father for I have sinned

>>13988993
i like to write, but i've never been into romantic poetry or anything like that.

>>13988987
Everything can be elevated to art desu

>>13988995
>appeals to nature
>gets called out
>appeals to anecdote
>gets BTFO
>REEEEEE he's lying !

>>13989006
>I’ll trust trolls and any written words on a page over someone who puts a name in a name field on an anime website, any day of the week.
I am old and sincere, anon. Not a joke.

>>13989016
>the only type of writing is romantic poetry
Are you retarded? Serious question.

>>13989022
I want to butterfly you like a shrimp

>>13989023
we're talking about channeling romantic feelings, here

>>13989022
how old are you?

>>13989027
Oh, you're just extremely literal minded. You're probably hopeless anyway then.

>>13988665
>any books about overcoming the desire for women
"Overcoming desire", lol. And you can't even justify your own actions so you need somebody other than the retard that is you to put some excuses into your mouth to justify your pathetic behavior.

Aesop has a tale he wants to tell:
"A Fox one day spied a beautiful bunch of ripe grapes hanging from a vine trained along the branches of a tree. The grapes seemed ready to burst with juice, and the Fox's mouth watered as he gazed longingly at them.

The bunch hung from a high branch, and the Fox had to jump for it. The first time he jumped he missed it by a long way. So he walked off a short distance and took a running leap at it, only to fall short once more. Again and again he tried, but in vain.

Now he sat down and looked at the grapes in disgust.

"What a fool I am," he said. "Here I am wearing myself out to get a bunch of sour grapes that are not worth gaping for."

And off he walked very, very scornfully.

There are many who pretend to despise and belittle that which is beyond their reach."

Keep on neurotically fighting your instincts, you silly little creature.

>>13989022
tmi butt

>>13989032
didn't know aesop was a redditor

>>13989032
The Confessions of St. Augustine refutes this entire post.

>>13988665
The Monk

as someone whose been down this path no book will really do it only breaking your head against that wall the best a book can really do is give you a great intellectual framework that clarifies all your failures and eventually takes you over that line sorry for the boomer run-on I'm really high it's one of the most incredibly difficult things you can do

>>13989032
every preindustrial religion ever

>>13988665
1. Prayer
2. Not looking at attractive women, and looking away if they enter your field of vision

That's literally it. No book required.

>>13989067
>see something beautiful
>look away and leave
Everytime man

>>13989045
The Epistles of Niggeria refutes this entire post.

>>13989067
>2. Not looking at attractive women, and looking away if they enter your field of vision

imo this is cuck shit, anyone can get over a desire when it isn't in your face. you have to face the desire in-itself. Zizek gets at this perfectly:

>Recall the old Catholic strategy to guard men against the temptation of the flesh: when you see in front of you a voluptuous feminine body, imagine how it will look in a couple of decades - the dried skin, sagging breasts... (Or, even better, imagine what lurks now already beneath the skin: raw flesh and bones, inner fluids, half-digested food and excrements...) Far from enacting a return to the Real destined to break the imaginary spell of the body, such a procedure equals the escape from the Real, the Real announcing itself in the seductive appearance of the naked body. That is to say, in the opposition between the spectral appearance of the sexualized body and the repulsive body in decay, it is the spectral appearance with is the Real, and the decaying body which is reality - we take recourse to the decaying body in order to avoid the deadly fascination of the Real which threatens to draw us into its vortex of jouissance.

you have to overcome the male lust for the feminine at its core

>>13988914
As usual you're talking about something you don't know anything about.

https://www.homehelpershomecare.com/clearwater/blog/2018/13/seniors-at-high-risk-for-sexually-transmitted-diseases-stds

Is just one link proving you wrong, but you can just google "nursing home STDs" to receive several other helpful links.
What's it like to be perpetually BTFO'd almost every day?

Father Sergius by Tolstoy

This is LITERALLY what you're asking for OP. It's a genius story.

>>13989100
>>13989090
>>13989067
>>13988672
>>13988688
>>13988696
>>13988715
Iamgine being so bad with women, and being so ashamed how bad you are with them, that you need to anxiously force yourself to not like them in complete powerless reaction. Wow. What a spectacle.

>>13988665

>>13988766
Yes, he does.

>>13989120
Imagine being so good with them you have to convince yourself there's nothing outside them. Whose the one coping? Fuck you casanova suck my schlong

>>13989120
Imagine this projection.

>>13989120
based sex haver

>>13988689
kek

>>13988766
It's more a meditation on the nature of God. For instance what does it mean for God to exist outside time, Did God create the universe out of something preexisting, or did he create the matter which we are formed of. What was the order of creation, did heaven come to be first. What does it mean when the Bible says that "darkness was upon the face of the deep"? What intention did Moses have when he wrote about the creation of the universe, and which interpretation is correct?

If you're looking for Christian philosophy then this is not the book for you, you would want to look at City of God. Confessions is about Augustine conversion, his struggle with sin and the eventual redemption. And meditation on the nature of God like I said, mixed with Neoplatonism and anti Manichean (heretical movement from the time) denouncements.

>>13989156
If you're looking for Christian theology*

My bad

>>13989156
what sort of prior reading is required?

>>13989132
>Imagine being so good with them you have to convince yourself there's nothing outside them
... What? I view women as an object so simple I can control it completely so as to it almost being ephemeral, whereas you need to spend months of your life neurotically forcing yourself to forget about them because their very existence reminds you of how small you are. Kill yourself chandala.

>>13989120
>>13989181
Mooooods this guy is calling me a faggot

>>13989172
If you buy a decent edition (like the Oxford one) not much. The understanding of neoplatonism will come through reading Augustine, if you have notes explaining things to you. If you're willing to go through some difficult passages while possibly having to look things up online, then you will get to experience one of the best books ever written.

Tolle, lege: take up and read!

>>13989067
>No book required.
The Bible.

>>13989181
>so as to it almost being ephemeral
don't use fancy words in crap sentences

>>13989032
reddit

>>13988713
What's weird with this book's author is that there's no information about him online. Like, absolutely nothing. Yet his book The Coiled Serpent is very popular among practitioners of semen retention.

>>13989198
Thank you for the free proof-reading, good sir.

>>13988665
Confessions by St Augustine
Stoic stuff like Meditations by Aurelius and Letters from a Stoic by Seneca can also help.

>>13989193
its only 300 pages, so i guess i could just read it again further down the road anyway.

>>13989223
>Stoic stuff like Meditations by Aurelius and Letters from a Stoic by Seneca can also help.

Cringe

>>13989218
I have to apologize. I thought ephemeral just meant "not eternal" but it seems it means "a very short time"
For a stronger effect you might drop the "almost" but overall you were right, I was wrong.

For all these replies it's funny not a single one contains an argument.

>>13989215
must be a pen name?

>>13988665
Buy a dildo and some lube, jerk your anus and become the woman you want so bad.

The Bhagavad Gita. Or just chant Hare Krsna Hare Krsna Krsna Krsna Hare Hare Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare for two hours everyday. (Hare Krsnas will tell you to chant 16 rosaries, but i can do that in an hour and twenty) also we just entered a very good month to worship. From october 13th to november 13th, all your worship will be multiplied thousandfold

>>13989263
shut up nigger

>>13989263
What the fuck are you talking about? Didn't you see this guy: >>13989181
Yeah, it might be a bait argument, but it's still an argument.

>>13989297
I'm talking people against it.

ITT severe case of sour grapes

>>13989312
deus not vult

>>13989032
did you not read
>that aren't angsty incel trash

>>13988665
basically "i have better things to do"

>>13988665
Saints ARE angsty incel trash.

>>13989054
What have you come to understand about it?

>>13989120
Based

>>13989132
No one said this

>>13989181
Cringe

>>13989067
Prayer really helps, can tell it by experience. After prayer you feel purity, and polluting this purity by pleasures of flesh seems like crime.

>>13989215
Imagine reading this dude's books just to find out he was a /pol/ troll all along.

Test

>>13989120
Augustine's life and example disproves it. Often those with the most success in this domain hold this pleasure in the least esteem as they find it both controlling and draining. When continent, I read at least 100 books a year and that is when working. When with a girlfriend, I am lucky if I read a single book.

>[...]because he had found a reason for giving his time wholly to thee. For this was what I was longing to do; but as yet I was bound by the iron chain of my own will. The enemy held fast my will, and had made of it a chain, and had bound me tight with it. For out of the perverse will came lust, and the service of lust ended in habit, and habit, not resisted, became necessity. By these links, as it were, forged together--which is why I called it “a chain”--a hard bondage held me in slavery.[...] Thus my two wills--the old and the new, the carnal and the spiritual--were in conflict within me; and by their discord they tore my soul apart.

>fuuuck I could never make her my gf...
>w-well it's okay it's wordly anyway... it doesn't matter because it's not of the Father... she probably doesn't even exist... s-she's a pleb... at Ieast I have the afterlife...

>>13990492
>'When you have savouries and fine dishes set before you, you will gain an idea of their nature if you tell yourself that this is the corpse of a fish, and that the corpse of a bird or a pig; or again, that fine Falernian wine is merely grape-juice, and this purple robe some sheep’s wool dipped in the blood of a shellfish; and as for sexual intercourse, it is the friction of a piece of gut and, following a sort of convulsion, the expulsion of mucus.' (VI.13) - Marcus Aurelius

>>13990514
>replying to bait

>>13989120
Bad bait, I had sex with multiple partners but now I'm starting to regret it because I became a slave to lust. I want to be baptized, I wish I could go back and restrain myself.

>>13988665
Naomi by Tanizaki is good but it’s more of a cautionary type thing

>>13989120
BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED

>>13988665
>any books about overcoming the desire for women

I think that it is funny how in most discussions about this the "Coomer side" don't have arguments on why someone shouldn't try to reduce lust or have chaste habits.
It is usually only a "you are a loser" kind of ad hominem.

>>13990544
Same here bro. I would trade all the sex I had just so that I could have my virginity back.

>>13990653
There are no arguments, because the anti-coomer is engaging in something totally sexual. The game is trying to deny or defer pleasure. It's effectively what may happen to a sub in bdsm play. But, for the anti-coomer the entire fantasy is predicated on a suspension of disbelief. the anti-coomer has to deny that what he is doing is even remotely motivated by sexuality to keep the fantasy alive. it's funny to see much they fortify their position of denial, that ironically propels them deeper and deeper into depravity. that's why 'lol your a loser'

>>13990682
Let's suppose for the sake of argument that you are right that anti-coomerism is some kind of sexual fetish.
If you are a coomer, surely, you wouldn't see anything wrong with that? They are just maximizing their coom? So, why the ad hominem?

>>13990682
They aren't. You cannot fathom life without this yoke.

>>13990721
>So, why the ad hominem?
because the anti-coomer needs something to resist in order to reinforce their position. these threads are just a meme sex game. what i'm doing now (exposing and explaining the game) is the real threat to pleasure

>>13990733
We all know this is not really a sexual game between you and the anti-coomers.

>>13990740
>We all know this is not

exactly. what we know is negated because of the suspension of disbelief. It's like reading fiction. We all participated in this game, but to bring attention to its artifice risks the end of the game and subsequently pleasure. this is what the anti-coomer is asking for, but is it what they want?

>>13990757
But you were not doing that. You were just calling them losers because they don't want to be coomers.

And even if they were doing what you are saying and you were also breaking their "illusion", why would you want to stop their "coomer games"? What would you gain by doing so?

>>13988665
Alright, let me just share my own opinions here. Firstly, my own theology is that Consciousness is God. The reason Christians feel so elated after they've fasted, prayed and remained abstinent for some time is not because they are connecting to a parental deity found in their scriptures, but rather because they've reached deeper regions of their own Consciousness.

The reason people feel all kinds of guilt around sexuality (and many other behaviors) is because of their Consciousness, which is transcendent and perfect in nature, feeling opposed to the carnality and baseness of the act they've just performed. That said, you never need to feel shame or guilt for your actions. It doesn't help you in any way. All you need to learn is a) the lifestyle you desire and b) how to live it. If a person wants to engage in sexual acts often, let them do so. It doesn't make them any better or worse a person. If you desired that, go ahead. But the fact remains that by living within physical drives, you are prevented from reaching the higher dimensions of your own Consciousness/Being, which you would be able to connect to it if you tempered said desires. Not just for sex, but for food and similar needs. That's all it is - a science, basically. You don't need to feel "impure" either, since Consciousness's fundamental nature is the Pure itself, the very essence known as Purity, and inextricably so. And your behaviors can't change that fact. But there is a certain way to live such that you can witness that Purity more directly, and a way to live such that you will feel temporarily divorced from it. I'm personally asexual, I don't have sexual desire in the first place, but my advice for you is to simply decide a) why you want to avoid sexual acts and b) how best to avoid them. Different things work for different people, regarding vices: some people need to stay away from their addiction completely, while others prefer to binge it such that they feel sick of it afterwards and no longer want anything to do with it. Ultimately, what you need above all is mental-control: the ability to not follow an urge. You can't expect society to accomodate your needs: if girls want to wear revealing outfits, they will, and they have every right to. All you need to learn is how not to ascribe meaning to it, seeing a sexy vixen the way you see an oak tree. I'd recommend meditation to reach those deeper places of Consciousness, which lived from will allow you to recognize the unsatisfactory nature of physical drives compared to that superior pleasure of deeper equanimity.

Good luck.

Get a laid
You will realize you are just putting pussy on a pedestal
Check out the nymphomaniac character in Seven Taoist Masters

>>13990765
>why would you want to stop their "coomer games"

because it's what they asked for. they want to stop being a cumbrain. one can offer that by showing the artifice of sexuality. I gain the pleasure in satisfying another persons request. but is that what they really want? because satiating my desire to satisfy another only exposes that the anti-coomer's entire motivation to rid themselves of sexuality is knotted up with a motivation to be sexual. it's really very sympathetic for the coomer to insult the anti-coomer, because the anti-coomer gets to hold onto their identity as the puritanical innocent and clean one.

>>13990783
>If a person wants to engage in sexual acts often, let them do so. It doesn't make them any better or worse a person. If you desired that, go ahead. But the fact remains that by living within physical drives, you are prevented from reaching the higher dimensions of your own Consciousness/Being, which you would be able to connect to it if you tempered said desires.
Isn't there a contradiction there?
If they don't temper theie desires, they can't reach the higher realms, which does make them worse.
If we care about people, shouldn't we try to push for a better culture than ours?

>>13990796
Yes, I'm sure you have their best interests in mind when you call them losers.

Why do so many people seem to ha e trouble with sexual desire? I’m a degenerate cumbrain, and even I can turn my arousal off and on like a light switch if need be.

Just use porn to vent desires and don’t be desperate for sex in public. Live from day to day assuming that no encounter will lead to sex, but if the opportunity for sex arises, take it if you feel like it.

>>13988665
One more thing: I consider the most important aspect to reaching spiritual heights to be the lack of attachments. Only then do all phenomenal behaviors fall away and allow you to return to that fundamental Consciousness which you are. To this end, being staunchly anti-sex is as bad as being a sex addict, because you've traded an addiction to the act for that of it's negation, which is similarly bad for you, albeit mentally rather than physically. If I eat like a glutton, the excess material in my system prevents me from reaching subtler states of Consciousness. But if I eat like a sparrow, and heavily mentally oppose the gluttonous eating simultaneously, then it also adds a weight to me, this time mental, which will prevent me reaching subtler states of Consciousness, which you can only reach through non-judgment/non-discrimination. So remember that all attachments are bad, including those which can themselves result in more wholesome behaviors. The behavior must be performed without any mental baggage alongside of it. Give up your sexual habits if you'd like, but make sure to give up your negative mentality towards sexuality at the same time. Else you've merely converted a physical fetter to a mental one.

>>13990810
>I’m a degenerate cumbrain, and even I can turn my arousal off and on like a light switch if need be
Can you stay 3 months without sex or fapping?

>>13990809
this is what bdsm is predicated upon.

>>13990845
So, is it the case that most twitter feminists who call others losers are actually having a sexual play with them?

>>13990828
I’ve never had a reason to go that length of time without fapping. What I meant by that remark is that I don’t get aroused when I see scantily clad women in public, nor do I get too nervous to start a conversation with them. I credit this to the fact that masturbation allows me to satisfy sexual desire to the point where It doesn’t affect me in public.

>>13990806
Well, when I say "make a person worse" I mean that it doesn't make them, in their essence, any worse. And you certainly shouldn't judge or condemn them for the same reason. They remain Pure Consciousness regardless of what they do. But if they desire to realize the fact of being that, a certain lifestyle is expected of them. Regardless, I don't view "them" as being better or worse regardless of what they do, since I view people not as stable entities but an aggregate of changing dimensions and the behaviors they produce at a given point of time.

>>13990871
Your standard of sexual control is much lower than what they are thinking of. They want something that is way higher than this

>>13990875
Suppose there are two men. Both are identical twins. One of them is raised to aspire to reach higher stages and the other is raised to live a dissolute style.

Which one will be happier? Which one will be a better citizen, a better role model for his family?

Understand that the only one with who you can commune is God. Overcome it not by abstinence but by realization of its pointlessness.

>>13990955
God doesn't exist. Stop wasting time on lust. Stop putting faith in a nonentity instead of yourself.

>>13990888
In my estimation, the first one. But sexuality, in this example, means a lot to some people, and there are some for whom trading sexuality for spirituality will be closer to a zero-sum game: the benefits gained are roughly equal to those lost. And for those people, I think it'd be better for them to express themselves sexually rather than be expected to repress it. I believe in multiple lifetimes, and don't therefore expect spiritual perfection from anyone, be it myself or another: the destination should ideally be walked towards, but people can do so at their own pace. In this lifetime, for whatever reasons of genetics or else-wise, they may have a very strong sex drive, or maybe a heavy appetite for food, and they should be allowed to follow these inclinations without condemnation. But they should also be informed of the higher pleasures which are gained through reaching subtler levels of consciousness, and the necessity to temper bodily pleasures to reach them. Having been given such information, they should be allowed to do as they please. In my opinion. We can't expect everyone to be a saint - only to show them the qualities of one, and encourage them to aspire to it at their own interest.

>>13990964
Your Consciousness is God. I don't personally believe an external, parental entity either, but if that's how some people prefer the concept then let them. I do wish, however, that they'd focus on themselves rather than something they believe is outside of them.

>>13988831
just an audio podcast, on archive.org


It's the greatest work on women, and how men should deal with them.

>>13988797
>Black Philip Show
this fucking thing saved my life.
I wish I had heard of it sooner.

>>13988665
Epicureanism

>>13990314
Well I mean there are original copies of the book from 1939 so I don't think it was made by a /pol/ troll

>>13989032
have sex

>>13989120
Cringe

>>13989181
Based

>>13989181
>I view women as an object so simple I can control it completely so as to it almost being ephemeral

Why are you talking like an anime villain? Awful

>>13989022
you do look wrinkled.

>>13990964

My concern with God is exclusively personal. In fact, it is only not totally selfish by being so selfish that it becomes not selfish again.

>>13989120
Based and btfo

>>13992007
That picture was painted by a Puritan

>>13992007
photo made by a low IQ barbarian lol

>>13988665
Why do you want to "overcome the desire for women"? What do you expect to achieve?

>>13990441
Shut da fuck up pussy, you don’t have to be incontinent to know that it’s bad. It just means you have failed more times than most people. The continent incel and the continent volcel are both justified in the sight of God, you’re being a beta bitch and substituting virtue for the esteem of men right now. “You can’t really be continent unless you’ve been a degenerate like me.” Who falls off the narrow path and decries the continence of the faithful instead of repenting for what they’ve done? Give me a break

>>13988665
Lookup some eastern philosophy about reducing desires.

For me it helps to simulate my desire as accurately as I can. If you imagine the object of your desire in detail after detail, you will eventually realize that it isnt really what you wanted. And that if you attained this desire you would be satisfied for a moment but in the next moment you would be back in the exact spot you are now.

If you cannot shake this desire, then I would recommend you pursue it. You will find out how disappointing it is eventually.

>>13992036
See >>13992025
Christcucks btfo themselves. Like clockwork.

>>13992101
why are the only records of pagan tradition penned by Christians treenigger

>>13992121
No need to record anything when it's all spoken tradition and you have no reason to expect a desert nigger tribe to smear abrahamic nigger monkey garbage all over your culture.
>If men learn this [writing], it will implant forgetfulness in their souls; they will cease to exercise memory because they rely on that which is written, calling things to remembrance no longer from within themselves, but by means of external marks. What you have discovered is a recipe not for memory, but for reminder. And it is no true wisdom that you offer your disciples, but only its semblance, for by telling them of many things without teaching them you will make them seem to know much, while for the most part they know nothing, and as men filled, not with wisdom, but with the conceit of wisdom, they will be a burden to their fellows
- Plato

>>13988665
You need to address your more underlying problem, which is the addictive desire for pleasure. You may be able to avoid pleasure with different techniques, but this still won't address the underlying problem, you will still suffer from the desire, yet it will go repressed, leading to restlessness, occasional lapses and guilt and shame and anxiety and depression. The problem is much deeper.

>>13988767
based

>>13988665
>all this retarded theoretical garbage
STEM chad here
I don't read books
I look at life in a pragmatic way and the only reason you struggle with sexual desire is because your life is empty.
I don't mean empty in some retarded theoretical philosophical way but literally your calendar is probably empty.

So find important shit to do with your life and more responsibilities you have to fulfill and all those retarded sexual desires will naturally go down in the list of priorities.
godspeed you dumbass book whores

>>13992183
>PLAYDOUGH WAS AGAINST WRITING! LOOK HE WROTE ALL ABOUT IT!
anon, you're retarded. it was socrates who said that in plato's phaedrus. obviously, plato wasn't against writing, he was just using socrates' aversion to writing as an example to show how a new technology can have an unforeseen impact on society. also, the greeks actually wrote down their mythology. they wrote down a lot of shit, google the library of alexandria. don't compare the greeks to your mudhut snow-nigger religion.

>>13992902
holy Based. I don’t know why this struck such a powerful chord with me.

do you have any reading recommendations for good STEM books that will help me turn my life around?

>>13993118
The greeks were homosexuals and socrates was a nigger. Their autistic wiritings are the only good thing they ever produced. Snow niggas are based and christians are jews. Fuck Abrahamics and every other subhuman religion. *dabs*

>>13993341
america is a multi-century project to summon the Beast.

>>13993341
we can't be sure that the Americans do actually exist, it may be a mirage

>>13988767
You write very well anon

>>13989120
Your actually right kek. Most of the Christians on this board are just losers who couldn't score with women and think they're holy or something because of it.

>>13993341
>The greeks were homosexuals and socrates was a nigger.

Kierkegaard
Augustine

>>13992183
Holy shit this image is so gay

pagans are the cringiest faggots alive

>>13993553
Bloom's last post.

>>13989100
Or Marcus Aurelius puts it:
>How good it is when you have roast meat or suchlike foods before you, to impress on your mind that this is the dead body of a fish, this is the dead body of a bird or pig; and again, that the Falernian wine is the mere juice of grapes, and your purple edged robe simply the hair of a sheep soaked in shell-fish blood!
>And in sexual intercourse that it is no more than the friction of a membrane and a spurt of mucus ejected.
>How good these perceptions are at getting to the heart of the real thing and penetrating through it, so you can see it for what it is!
>This should be your practice throughout all your life: when things have such a plausible appearance, show them naked, see their shoddiness, strip away their own boastful account of themselves.
Vanity is the greatest seducer of reason: when you are most convinced that your work is important, that is when you are most under its spell.

>>13992040
>>13988672

>>13989120
Hoes mad.

>>13994762
>>13989100
>just think about the turd in her butt, bro! that will cure you!

>>13994763
kek

>>13992183
Cool quote

>>13988866
>religious posters
>don't believe in God
Are you retarded?

>>13989022
You do realize all data you give to me is pseudonymously through the written word right?

>>13992183
based as fuck, desu

>>13992040
They expect to have greater self-control. Problem is, their approach is all wrong.

You don't overcome hunger by not eating anymore. You overcome hunger by learning what good nutrition and diet are in relation to your body. Eating to satisfy your hunger won't make you a food addict when you have a good sense of what good nutrition and diet entail for you. These people haven't learned that yet, so they think there's a risk that if they jerk off they'll become addicted to it, and that risk is real for them, but only because they're uneducated and undisciplined.

80-90 IQ: inceldom
91-119 IQ: promiscuity and multiple relationships
120 IQ+: A stable marriage with a virginal stay at home wife and multiple children.

>>13988995
Hypersexuality is common in dementia. A lot of people in nursing homes are going to have dementia.

>>13988665
>>13988821
https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/Father_Sergius

>>13995237
>virginal wife
>multiple children.

>>13995182
Are you new here?

>>13988665
Any more pics like that? I need them for research [MASTURBATION] purposes.

>>13997092
You better be fapping to the monk at least.

>>13997104
Yeah, it makes it less sinful.

>>13997154
Its even more sinful according to natural law.

>>13997542
Thanks Thomas.

>>13994854
Kek true

>>13995232
Masturbation and fornication are not the answer. Marriage and reproduction may be.

>>13988696
Make it clear that slavery comes externally and internally. In modern times, we (sort of) have total external freedom. However, it’s pretty evident that people are just as corralled, subservient, and mindless as ever. That is because they are in the worst kind of servitude possible, that in which they mistakenly believe they are free. It doesn’t matter what external forces act on you, if you are led by mostly sub conscious urges, you are not behaving of your own will. So these urges can be used to passively control you. That doesn’t mean give up these urges, just acknowledge when you are being led by anything other than your own will.

>>13990819
So would you say the lack of attachments to all things is needed to reach higher spiritual states? How would you live a life without attachment to anything?

>>13993946
>Kierkegaard
this
first half of Either/Or came in really handy

>>13988665
all I can say is that there's more beyond this, anon. You've been conditioned to think that there's nothing beyond a life of constant masturbation, complete enslavement to sexual desire and your addiction to sexuality. That's there nothing more meaningful you could do now. It's a grim outlook on life which seems to subtly capture people and pull them away from what they know themselves to be right.
Rise above it, anon. There's so much more out there for you and you ignore it do the same meaningless shit day in and day out.

accelerate your masturbation

>when you realise sonnet 129 is literally the coomer meme

>>13995232
You are fool to compare these two things to one another. Firstly, hunger and libido are not equitable. The physiological reactions produced by either are profoundly different. Hunger does not disturb the intellect, or decrease digit span as does sexual arousal. In point of fact, hunger, unlike sexual arousal can even serve pro-cognitive purposes. One does not get even more hungry by looking at food once he is fed unless he is a glutton. One can, become aroused, after a brief refractory period of say 5 minutes for most men, by a mere thought or image or another woman. Serving to indulge the sexual impulses, serves only to consolidate their invariable habituation, which is always going to increase in the presence of any novel or differing stimuli vis-à-vis, the coolidge effect, so the only real way that such limitation could work is with strict monogamy.

Furthermore, even taking this flawly premised and faulty analogy at face value, it is still incorrect. Eating to satisfy ones hunger, is not sound nutritional advice at all as a glutton experiences the sensation of hunger more frequently and strongly than one who has never snacked and had temperate dining choices. So long as he satiates his belly, the glutton will be fine according to you but this is precisely his problem and even if substituting with healthier and lower calorie foods, he still craves to eat. The only real remedy for this would be fasting long enough to decrease ghrelin and coexisting reward-related and habitual prior-line drivers of its secretion. You see, hunger is not strictly reductionist input output as per caloric needs, brainlet. It is contingent on ghrelin, orexin and leptin, which are influenced by habit, reward and ultimately behavioral inputs which boils down to the frequency of eating. Fasting, an actual state of fasting wherein ketosis occurs, serves to abate these drivers of hunger considerably to the point where their secretion can virtually become non-existent.

>>13993553
Thank you.

>>13999255

The human body is not an exact science you can measure with formulas of certain hormones.

>>13999255
You seem smart. Why do you think desire should be repressed?

>>13998864
I think what he means by attachment is allowing a desire to control you. Having desires is ok and natural, but allowing those desires to dictate your actions instead of discriminating between them an choosing how to exercise those desires properly is detrimental.

>>13999255
perfect

>>13999442
that seems partially the criticism of the prior post if you read both.

>>13988821
he was also a degenerate who fucked anything that moved

>>13999688
The dichotomy makes perfect sense.

>>13989009
The kid on the right dosent look like any of them!

>>13989120
based
incels seething rn

>>13999255
Someone with knowledge

>>13999442
Someone ignorant, but trying to save face

>>13988665
"the courage to be chaste" by Benedict Groeschel and/or "in silence with God" by Benedict Baur, if you are catholic.

>>13998864
In my personal opinion? Yes. I believe that Consciousness is our fundamental nature, and is the only dimension of ourselves which is eternal and permanent. I believe that the remaining planes of ourselves - our body, emotions, thoughts, self-concept and so forth - inhabit a spectrum of increasingly inconstant segments that, if treated as permanent, will bring us to be unaligned to reality, and suffer as a result.

I used to believe my thoughts were the product of a "thinker" for example, something constant and singular, whereas I now believe it's actually the opposite - the notion of a "thinker" is a product of thoughts. An inconstant collection of phenomena, that mistakenly ascribe to themselves the properties belonging only to Consciousness, namely being unchanging and singular. But having believed this now, I no longer cling to that notion of there being such an entity, considering it to be an illusion. And I feel I've come closer to my essential nature, as Consciousness, as a result. Someone else, however, who feels attached to that little voice in their mind (a collection of voices, in my view), perceiving it to be their "essential self", will thereby not progress closer to their true essential nature - as Consciousness - by result of that roadblock. They will struggle to let go of that superficial entity, during meditation for example, and thereby impede themselves from their own realization. Applied in other contexts, I could say that being attached, which implies permanence, to anything which is impermanent in nature, will only bring misfortune by nature. Be it your body, an experience, a relationship, a possession and so on. That's not to say you shouldn't or can't partake in all of these things - only that you should never mistake their character for what it isn't, and thereby become attached to them. But if your spiritual pursuit is more serious, then I'd say it's better to forego as many impermanent entities as possible, since for many people it'd be like stepping into water and not getting wet.

Sorry for rambling, but the short answer is that in my view, which has been influenced by Advaita and Buddhism, you should strive to firstly see the true nature of your Being, and secondly attempt to live according to that nature. In my view, that nature happens to be one where your most fundamental dimension is simply Consciousness, which means by nature that anything which lies above that remains an obstacle to your realization, however small or large.

Just my own perspectives. No need to take them seriously.

>>13988767
This was a pleasure to read. Also based.

>>13988665
Just read that chapter from TBK where Alyosha does not give into Grushenka.

>>13989032
Theres another Medieval interpretation to the fable: “be content with what you have and dont try to grasp whats beyond your reach”. So the fox’s excuse is actually wisdom and recognition of reality, not bitterness

>>13989100
Indeed, the heroin addict should use heroin to break his addiction!

Only a child or a beast is controlled by their desires. With women, there's the additional issue of it being a closed loop - you desire her body, she desires your attention. You don't need to run away from the abyss to play tit for tat, or you can just flat out decline - when you're not thrilled with what is being offered. Why hate or be scared of a shop owner selling expensive wares? You can still banter with em and look around, even when it's obvious you're not buying anything.

>>13988767
beautiful

>>13999448
I reject the premise if you are strictly referring to repression. The idea of this desire being repressed would mean it is strongly simmering below the surface, and would need to be constantly fought against, for if this was the case it would make abstaining from the desire a Pyrrhic victory. If one is repressing it and fighting it daily, they are ultimately feeding the desire. But why deny, or rather avoid, or rather extinguish it? In the words of St. Augustine, "my lust pleased but fettered me". Being sexually active in any capacity leaves me drained and prone to be stimulated again; creating a futile feedback loop that, while at times is pleasurable, is otherwise filled with apathy or disquietude, and if actions and priorities are analyzed, they seemingly direct toward carnal pleasure—at the end of the day, it does or creates nothing, even when with a woman (other than consolidate pair bonding or ensue procreation). Fundamentally, we operate within very limited, constrained parameters if we cannot control or alter our desires, we do not possess true agency or freedom over our actions.

>>13990682
Are you genuinely retarded

Just finished the Confessions lads

What I don’t understand is why God would create us knowing that we are so flawed. He is outside time, to him everything happens at the same time. Why did he create us knowing that he would need to flood the world? Why would he create us knowing that he would have to send his son who would die for us? From the very beginning, why did he allow Adam to sin, knowing that he would sin, knowing that he would punish us.

Man can only know the mind of man, and the mind of god in turn can only be understood by God, but I just do not know why. I do not believe in determinism, I do think we have free will. God however views us though the lens of instant eternity, and he is the one who made us. Why would he make us this way? Why would he put us in this world of endless suffering, this valley of tears as the prayer goes.

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Sorry to ruin the numbers lads, I had to find out what was going on in this based thread.

>>13989120
Yup

Imagine denying significance of half of the population because they happen to make you feel bad about yourself just by virtue of them existing

>>13995182
Don't be fucking retarded.

>>13988665
Yes

>>14001263
Christ isn't mentioned very much in Confessions and this was mentioned in this lecture on it (excellent followup or companion to this):

https://www.thegreatcourses.com/courses/st-augustine-s-confessions.html

While they do not mention the implications, theologically Christ is the Second Adam; God himself acting the part of man and in turn reversing the blemish imparted by Adam. I suggest you read Aquinas, notably his smaller works, notes and meditations. He reconciles it beautifully. In the summa, his answer to your why is so that good may come out of evil.

I suggest you watch the TV series Westworld. I'll write more tomorrow if this thread is still up.

>>14001351
>christ isn't mentioned very much in an antichrist's writing

>>14001506
Protestants are the biggest brainlets around.

Great thread.

>>14001232
Very buddhist view

>>14001351
>$215
bruhhhhh

Can you pirate this or something? Really want to watch this now

>>13988767
okay this is epic

>>13989120
incels are just like everything else in gen z. pathetic. I had friends growing up who were 300 lbs and had video game tatoos and could still pull 8/10s.

>>13988665
13 Rules: To Not Be A F**king Cuck

>>13990783
cringe

>>13989032
based
keep calling out the christcels, larping faggots that they are

>>13989120
lmao incels blown the fuck out

>>14001263
Because everything is according to his plan, in his ultimate goal he wants us to be perfect and at the same time with free choice, so we have to go through this whole process of transformation on our own living here on earth.

>>13988665
Just nofap. After 90 days you’re new person.

>>13997092
it's by milo manara. check out his borgia comic with jodorowsky.

>>14004120

>>14003914
>>14003921
t. brainlet

>>14003711
>T.F Monkey
Is that the MGTOW youtuber Turd Flinging Monkey? Also guy seems to have very based history of works including titles such as:
>The Doll on my Balls Rides Again: An Adult Christmas Story
>The Doll on my Balls: An Adult Christmas Story
>Sweet Corn and Ass
>The Doll on my Balls, The Doll on my Balls Rides Again

>>13988870
>indulge in so much vice that you eventually get bored of it and become a hermit
not really helpful here

>>13988665
name of the rose if you want the exact opposite

>>14004059
Just nofap. After ten days you can cum the moment you're inside your girlfriend and have her disappointed for the rest of the night. Fuck that.

>>14004864
t. cuck pleasing idiot that does things for others instead of his own benefit.

>>13995237
140 IQ+: inceldom

>>13998377
based

>>13993823
I've had more sex with you. I've done more drugs than you. I've seen orgies of people being slaves to passion. I have been through hell on earth and it is a feeling of complete despair, not a true place. I don't know the life you've lived, but I feel sorry for you, that you see only through such a narrow lens when confronted with something entirely in opposition to your sense of agency, imagining everyone who wont agree with you either as an anxious unsocialized loser.

all women are slaves to passion, only a woman with passionate faith and love could possibly elevate herself above a slave. and man who fucks the slave be whore

>>13988767
Good stuff

>>13988796
This

>>13988767
>>13990783
p basado

interact with them and soon enough you will, at the very least, not put them on a pedestal anymore

>>13993341
What a fucking moron, "A => B" doesn't preclude "not(A) and B". Guess I shouldn't have expected anything more of a /pol/-tier "thinker".

>>14006971
True, uncle Evola has is logic completely backwards here.

>>13989113
This OP! Seconded, it's a great story.

>>13990783
Quality posts like the are the reason why I browse lit, thanks.

>>14006387
>I've done more drugs than you. I've seen orgies of people being slaves to passion. I have been through hell on earth and it is a feeling of complete despair, not a true place.
time... to die

>>13999255
>Hunger does not disturb the intellect, or decrease digit span
Yes, it does.

>>14006971

You're a retard if you think that out of context quote was actually part of his theory and not just an observation grounded in the more specifics of his work.

Trying real hard to be smart, yet clearly can't comprehend context and how quotes generally work.

>>13989120
Your mistake is in thinking that you liked them in the first place.

>>14007155
I do not claim that his theory is stupid because it follows from that quote. I claim that it is likely stupid, for the most part, because he is incompetent to the point of not being able to understand basic propositional logic. How can one possibly purport to understand truths about the world so elusive that even the most intelligent and educated can't grasp when one doesn't even have a stable epistemological model on which to lean?

>>14001351
you will all burn in hell for idolizing a mere prophet

t. has read maybe 1 Ed feser book and 2 Plato dialogues, has a PDF of the seraphim rose book on nihilism on his pc which he hasn’t read (next to some evolas and that ‘libido dominandi’ book - Is thinking about deleting michael gira’s the consumer for being ‘degenerate’ and worldly), has ‘Christ: the eternal tao’ and ‘the reign of quantity and the sign of the times’ on his goodreads ‘to read’ list, makes regular haughty and mocking replies whenever he sees people talking about modern philosophers he hasn’t read; is particularly incensed by discussion of people like Foucault, Deleuze, Derrida etc., tried to read alasdair Macintyre once but found himself rereading basic sentences four, maybe five times, used to idolise Mishima as a traditionalist but now skirts around the topic of his sexuality, browses the Catholic subreddit sometimes but gets annoyed by the light tone of conversation (for him religiosity means acting brooding and grim, possessing a smouldering pessimism, a seriousness that admits no levity—primarily a sensual fantasy although he won't admit it) and stops browsing within a day or two, says he might check out this ‘tradcath’ subreddit sometime but never does—he isn’t attracted to online spaces which don’t irritate him: he likes the orthodox subreddit for the occasional ‘based’ pictures of hirsute priests blessing ak-47s but blushes when some regular and well-respected poster (who he imagines to be grave, broad and muscular, like a Slavic bear) talks (without hysteria or moralism but rather with a peasant's brute insight) about the western alt-right noodle-arms that mistakenly think they’re in good company on orthodox discussion forums, and quickly retreats back to the anonymity of 4chan, reconsolidates his withering faith by rewatching the passion of the christ and crying when millionaire-actor jesus says 'see mother, i make all things new', listens to the prince of egypt sountrack when he gets humiliated by some "tranny" online and feels vengeful (righteous anger at evil he calls it), misses the mde and common filth subreddits but is ashamed of having ever indulged in such vulgar and un-erudite company, the lowbrow circumstances of his first steps toward conversion constitute a serious threat to his self-identity and the attractive notion that his conversion was motivated by the discovery of the arcane logics and argumentation rigour of the Catholic Church, makes up for his low status on the intellectual totem pole by criticising youtube preacher pastor anderson's irrationalist baptist doctrines, although he tepidly praises his 'enthusiasm' and his 'redpilled attitude' toward the jews (nazism is a perpetual attraction for him, he feels saintly for resisting it)

>>14007201