/lit/ - Literature

why couldn't it just have been written by a man...
we were so close to getting a proper meme novel this year, but any thread about this that lasts long enough is just going to get sucked into the roastie–incel/bugman–poltard dialectics

>>13990914
>Doesn't post an excerpt
I wonder what sordid human trafficking cult network can accelerate the careers of "ambitious" authors

>>13990914
yeah its a bummer

>>13990846
Liveblog was better desu

>>13990846
i cant find this book online

>>13990980
fuck off megan

>>13990846
Fuck off I ain’t reading this feminist crap

>>13990983
it's on soulseek

>>13990846
>she
yeah, a hard pass

>The fact that the raccoons are now banging an empty yogurt carton around on the driveway, the fact that in the early morning stillness it sounds like gunshots, the fact that, even in fog, with ice on the road and snow banks blocking their vision, people are already zooming around our corner, the site of many a minor accident, the fact that a guy in a pickup once accidentally skidded into our garage, and next time it could be our house, or a child, Wake Up Picture Day, dicamba, Kleenex, the fact that a pickup truck killed Dilly, the fact that she’d successfully dodged cars for three whole years, the fact that she knew all about cars, but during that time the traffic grew, the fact that it’s crazee now, the fact that after Dilly got killed, the kids painted a big warning sign with a big black cat on it and stuck it right by the fence, but nobody notices it, the fact that they’re all going too fast to see it, <music not symbol> When the cat died we had catnip tea <music not symbol> , the fact that failure to yield causes one in five accidents in Ohio, the fact that car crashes are up twenty percent since 2009, haw tree, buckeye, black walnut, hickory, butternut, the fact that Stacy’s old enough to handle the road but the other kids aren’t, the fact that so many books still name the Beatles as "the greatest or most significant or most influential" rock band ever only tells you how far rock music still is from becoming a serious art. Jazz critics have long recognized that the greatest jazz musicians of all times are Duke Ellington and John Coltrane, who were not the most famous or richest or best sellers of their times, let alone of all times. Classical critics rank the highly controversial Beethoven over classical musicians who were highly popular in courts around Europe. Rock critics are still blinded by commercial success. The Beatles sold more than anyone else (not true, by the way), therefore they must have been the greatest. Jazz critics grow up listening to a lot of jazz music of the past, classical critics grow up listening to a lot of classical music of the past. Rock critics are often totally ignorant of the rock music of the past, they barely know the best sellers. No wonder they will think that the Beatles did anything worthy of being saved.

>>13990980
I don't know if you're Megan or not but I courteously asked you to make a post in commemoration of Tsar Alexander II (God have mercy on His Imperial Majesty's soul), and I think you blocked me? Why this rudeness? He is a very important figure to me and it would have my month if you commemorated him, why do you deny me this simple favour?

>>13991029
is this from the book? if so, is the entire book written like that? wow, that's shit

>>13991029
Merci Piero.

>>13991029
>the fact that so many books still name the Beatles
I immediately thought of this after reading the second 'the fact that'

>>13991029
The fact that it's a mishmash of rhetorical 'flourishes', the fact that it details cultural detritus amidst concerns of consumerism's besmirchment of the natural order, the fact that it puts forth the type of aesthetic commentary that Lester Bangs can and did write in his sleep 50 years ago, suggests a lazy creative writing grad writing at the absolute limit of their intelligence, unable to see that all of this has been done better by not just Adorno and Virilio many decades ago, but that she sits under many a deeper striation of decaying pulp written in the meantime, from Spin magazine articles, to Chuck Klosterman, while as literature it evokes Peter Benchley more than James Salter. And yet the elderly editors at The Guardian still think this type of post-modern-lite writing is worthwhile because they want to feel like their mod haircuts, experimental record collection, and love of Jonathan Coe books was worth it... It's not already outdated... This type of book will be important forever.

>>13991029
Kek
Now post her face

>>13991385
I like how she has a press picture of herself on her mantle.

>>13991402
Kek isn't she a guardian writer?

>>13991029
Is this true?? Sounds like the Beatles pasta but reworked.

>>13991052

>>13991364
I love you, Anon.

>>13991406
I actually had no idea. I'd guessed she was younger. Not sure if it's more excusable or less that's she's writing like that at her age.

>>13991423
I love you too

>>13991029

Reminder that Lucy Ellmann is the daughter of the world's foremost Joyce scholar, Richard Ellmann. This book is literally the Ulysses of the 21st century.

>>13991469
Someone indeed should have told her it doesn't quite work this way.

>>13990846
lmao this publisher is down my street

So is it good or not?

>>13991556
its very good once you get in the groove. arguably paints the definitive portrait of a certain type of american, >>13991469 is right in a way

When does the version that excludes every occurence of "the fact that" come out?

>>13991720
learn regular expressions scrub

>>13991029
Now this is b8racing!

>>13991409
The first half is (sadly) true: from this excerpt of the book online: https://www.galleybeggar.co.uk/extract-ducks

Does anyone have the Beatles pasta mentioned? I am not getting the joke :(

>>13991752
It’s from our man Piero. A classic takedown of his.

https://www.scaruffi.com/vol1/beatles.html

>>13991417
make me

>>13991752
Fucking hell that's weak sauce. Middle class Americans moaning about having to pay tax and not really enjoying their cocktail parties. Finally! Unfettered access to the minds of that kind of people who corner you with boring bullshit!

If there are any jannies on /lit/. Please just remove these obvious shilling posts

>>13991029
I got a headache reading this stupid shit. College professors should stop teaching their braindead, half-learned students to write like that

>>13990914
I don't think this is a problem as that dialectic is very burgerpunk itself.

>>13992503
I don't care about burgerpunk

>>13991469
Joyce sucks. And somehow this is a little better.

>>13991752
Why do I find the opening of Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man so delightful but this just annoys me?

>>13991752
>https://www.galleybeggar.co.uk/extract-ducks
>Pledge, Crest, Tide, Dove, Woolite, Palmolive, Clorox, Rolaids, Pepto-Bismol, Alka-Seltzer, Desitin, Advil, Aleve, Tylenol, Anacin, Bayer, Excedrin, Vitamin C, Kleenex, Kotex, Tampax, Altoid, Barbazol, Almay, Revlon, Cetaphil, Right Guard, Old Spice, Gillette, Q-Tip, Johnson & Johnson, Vaseline, Listerine, Head ’n’ Shoulders, Tylenol, Bayer, Anacin, Safe Owl, Eagle Brand, Jolly Green Giant, Land O’ Lakes, Lucerne, Sealtest, Clover, Blue Bonnet, Half ’n’ Half, Snyder, VanCamp, Wish-Bone, French’s, Skyline, Empress, Gerber, Nabisco, Heinz, Kraft, Quaker Oats, Sunkist, Purina, Vlasic, Oreos, Shredded Wheat, Arm & Hammer, Jell-O, Pez, Sara Lee, Chock Full o’ Nuts, Libby, Pepperidge Farm, Fleischmann’s, Morton, General Mills, King Arthur, Bell’s, Reese’s Pieces

>>13991752
>the fact that Trump wants to take cover away from 630,000 Ohioans who took up Obamacare last year and, and if he gets away with it some of those poor souls are possibly going to die, genocide,

>>13991752
>DFW as a woman
Not reading this metaironic ironic advertising schtick

>>13992563
>boomers finally discover punk in 2019
https://youtu.be/MCjRFIzDVpU

>>13990846
>burge®punk
lmao

>>13992587
they created it

>>13992666
nah punk is a zoomer genre

>>13992570
>I didn't reference Trump by name because I didn't want his name in my fucking book
Who was in the right here?

>>13993741
This reads like some unedited rambling lol.

I don't get it can someone give me a low down on what this shit is?

>>13991029
>>13993741
I guess I can see why she lost the Booker >>13993065

>>13991756
he's not our man

I don't get how this is related to burgerpunk, this is just some innane rambling, what does this have to do with late capital aesthetics?

>>13993741
>>13993846
I’m on page 300/1000 or something, I’m reasonably into it. I think it’s supposed to be stream of consciousness but it doesn’t really read like that, it’s more like a list made out of little stories and associations, some of which come up over and over again and give you a good idea of their significance to the narrator. There’s some semblance of a plot; you can follow what’s going on in the narrator’s day and get an idea of the story of her life. Very funny sometimes, very skimmable sometimes. Kind of like a light Ulysses in 2019 where you don’t have to work hard to figure out what’s going on. Surprisingly fun.

>>13993870
A lot, just not with a narrator your typical lightly disaffected 20 something male immediately identifies with.

>>13993937
Ok but how is that burgerpunk?

>>13993741
Acursed be the tongue which writes so.

>>13993937
So like Liveblog but written by an older lady

>>13993956
nigga it's a book about a heartland country housewife whose brain ruptures and pours out of her eyesockets after having been force-fed scaremongering msnbc headlines her entire adult life, how is it not?

>>13994168
please do not mistake the tragic exhibitionism of liveblog for actual literature

Ha! She lost! Fuck her and fuck ducks.

I do not respect the work or opinions of people who frame pictures of themselves alone and put them on display in their homes or offices.
>>13991402

>>13994201
>fuck ducks
please don't

>>13991029
>John Coltrane, who were not the most famous or richest or best sellers of their times
ABSOLUTE PSEUD BULLSHIT

>>13992525
Then fuck off

>>13994405
shan't

>>13994217
>doesnt know the pasta

>>13993741
>LOOK AT THE PICTURE!!! See the skull, the part of bone removed, the "master-race" Frankenstein radio controls, the Brain-thoughts Broadcasting Radio, the Eyesight Television, the Frankenstein Earphone Radio, the Threshold Brainwash Radio, the latest new skull reforming to contain ALL Frankenstein Controls, even in THIN skulls of WHITE PEDIGREE MALES! Visible Frankenstein controls! The synthetic nerve-radio directional antennae loop! Make copies for yourself! There is NO ESCAPE from this worst gangster police state, using ALL of the deadly gangster Frankenstein controls!

>>13995515
finally someone fucking posts it lmao

>>13992710
Definetely Salman.

>>13991029
fucking kek

>>13990846
I dont get it do people actually pay for this kind of inane rambling? Does this shit make money somehow?

>>13991029
>the amount of people that didn't recognize one of the most classic pastas of all time
shame, really

>a jew

>>13991029
Good fucking lord.
Women writers were a mistake.

Also, fuck OP for bait and switching with false promises of Burgerpunk within.

>>13996178
you do not have the mental capacity to understand stream of conciousness

at this rate that one guys book that says nigger tens of thousands of times will get published soon

>>13996474
Im just genuinely curious if there is a market for it or if it is just a /lit/ meme.

>>13993741
Schizophrenia.

>>13991062
me too anon

>>13996224
there’s tons of burgerpunk within. your incapacity or refusal to recognize this is on you and the limits of your intellect, not the book or its author

>>13996498
it has sold quite well i think

>>13995515
based

>>13991029
Someone get this bitch a semicolon.

>>13991429
much, much less. The only salvation would be if this was her first published book.

>>13991469
20th century literary scholars are notoriously useless with fiction writing.

>>13992679
are u fucking retarded

>>13991029
>people enjoy insane dialectical vomit
ebin

>>13999422
this board is quite fond of gravity's rainbow, yes

>>13993741
Did I just get pynched?

>>13995515

>>13996497
I would unironically read that, the excerpts he posted were really enjoyable

>>13992666
>>13992679
punk's more of a xoomer thing

if i actually wrote a meme burgerpunk novel would you guys read it?

>>13999878
Honestly, as much as I want to support fellow anon in their literary pursuits, I wouldn't. Meme writing and memes book are overrated. They're good for 100 pages or less comical novellas.

>>13999878
No, write that NGE-inspired novella you've been considering for ages and I'll read that.

>>13991469
Being the child of a scholar of a great author makes you the equivalent of that great author

>>13991007
""She""

This might be the last book I ever read. I've been on the same damned page for a week.

>>14000703
which page my dude?

the mountain lioness bits are like occasionally stumbling upon a spring of sparkling ice water throughout an endless desert trek, but in a good way

>>13999878
I wouldn't read the book, but I'd read the memes.

>>13992406
>talks about a book
>a book that's nominated for the booker prize
>shilling

This book is so disappointing and shitty. I thought it would be an interesting avant-garde novel but it’s just absolute shit

>>13992552
Moocow's comin up the road anon, what's not to love?

>>14001061
the fact that I am reading it on the computer so I don't know the page number, the fact that I am almost out of cigs, Pyramid Red 100s, Camel, Marlboro, Phillip Morris Commanders, the fact that it is going to rain all day Thursday, the fact that I don't have, can't afford, a car, but somehow manage to find money for cigs and booze, the fact that I have to walk a mile and a half to the store, walk a mile for a Camel, but a miss is as good as a mile, walk a miss, take a piss, the fact that the e-book is 3153 pages, but the physical book, at least the UK version, is 1030, do I divide the smaller by the bigger and multiply the "page" I am on by the result, or is it the other way around?

That fact that this shit is rewiring my brain. What page was I on?

To those reading or who read it: on a scale of 1-10 how annoying are the "the fact that"s?

>>14001644
To me, I'd say that it is about a 4 on the annoyance scale. What really bugs me so far is all the references to Laura Ingalls Wilder because I've read all those books and she, Ellmann, can't shut up about them. But I assume that's a personal irritation on my part. Also, the no sentences thing makes it hard for me to know when to breathe.

>>13998894
underrated

in current year america if you dont make your book about the correct politics you will not get published, grime!

>>13991029
>the site of many a minor accident
dropped

>>13992666
dont let these little faggots bait you . Just be rude to them when they deliver your food.

>>14001835
false

>>13996474
yes stream of consciousness is nothing new retard

>she
dropped

>>14002975
cringe

>>13991423
>>13991443
What's going on here?

>>13991752
Black good, white bad

>>13991752
Can't believe I could have gotten a book deal by low tier schizoposting

>>13993741
Looking at the author's surname, I'm going to assume this was published due to nepotism.

>>14003588
the fact that you’re unable to separate this from ”schizoposting” is the chief reason you shouldn’t (and won’t) get a book deal

>>14003521
wat

>>13994214
what about portrait paintings before photographs?

>>13990846
king shit

>>13991029
based

>>13990980
this makes my feet do a happy dance hehe

>>14008614
fuck off megan

>>13990846
(((ellmann)))

Guaranteed to be progressive shit devoid of talent.

>>13994187
Please do not mistake the mimicry and subversion of Jews for literature

Stop shilling you’re eBook here cunt

>>14010144
>>14010168
>>14010171
Literally shut da fuk up

>>13990846
why do the trannyjannies delete almost every quality thread while shit like this stays up?

>>14011007
maybe cuz its about uhh yknow a....book.........

>>14011007
>a thread about an actual book should be deleted because my 1,000th Guenon/Land/Twitter/schizo philosophy spiel shitpost got binned

The absolute state of /lit/.

what the fuck is burgerpunk

>>14011154
it's the hip new thing!

>>13991364
savage

>>13999878
I've seen this picture a thousand times in a thousand threads in my years on this forum and this is the first I've ever seen it as a decent book jacket. thanks anon.

>>13999878
Just do it