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Which books will teach me how to overcome determinism?

>> No.13937027

>>13936942
Who is this cute looking fella and why I want to punch him in the face so bad

>> No.13937049
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>>13936942
it's unironically too big-brained for /lit/ to even mention.

there used to be a guy on here who was some sort of Bergson scholar, and he was the only person I've seen who grasped what Bergson was getting at. I wish he was still around.

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Imagine him wrote this thesis at 23

>> No.13937084

>>13937027
A person who goes on the internet and tells people to kill themselves, then ghosts the thread when she's called out for it.

>> No.13937086

>>13937084
>she

>> No.13937094
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You want this book.

>> No.13937095

>>13936942
why are you posting butterfly? what she gotta do wit dis?

>> No.13937118
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>>13937095
OP isn’t at all interested in his question. He’s only carrying on a personal vendetta against someone for standing out. For being woman that wont show him her genitalia, for caring about people in general enough to want to change the systemic problems of the world.
I can’t really fathom why. He’s a closeted homosexual, being endlessly fascinated with his own semen and anal sex. Gross if you ask me.

>> No.13937132

>>13936942
Watch out anon, the tranny jannies banned me for posting that lmao

>> No.13937133

>>13937118
You're a man and a disgusting person, you make every thread worse

>> No.13937135

>>13937132
This isn’t /b/. Could you kindly stop harassing me?

>> No.13937142

I think we should ban all "book for this feel?" posting and also "how to overcome" posting. These threads are belong to >>>/adv/

>> No.13937161

>>13937118
you are a fucking burden on this board.

t. not OP, just posted at how your face and your trip ruin so many threads

>> No.13937166

>>13937118
>be fat dude
>put on lip stick
>am a woman now

>> No.13937167

>>13937161
*pissed

>> No.13937174

>>13936942
[1] Determinism is consistent with Bell's Theorem + Special Relativity, i.e. inconsistent with foundational assumptions of modern physics
[2] Even if the world was deterministic, comptablism is the only version of free will that makes sense

>> No.13937177

>>13937118
>for caring about people in general enough to want to change the systemic problems of the world.
Showing any sort of empathy or hope here will make you a target of poltard hatred. This place is only good for studying what's on the minds of hateful monsters.

>> No.13937178

Its almost like you think 4channel is a systemic problem and purposely want to increase the noise. You're only making shit worse and bringing the quality of conversation down.

>> No.13937179

>>13937118
post a recent picture

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13937208

post your face when you realize butterfly is actually butthurt for real about her pics being known on /lit/

post your face when you realize she has probably had the exact thought, many times over: "Why, WHY did one random guy in my tripfag webcam chat group have to screenshot me in my bathrobe and panties?! If that ONE guy just hadn't cared, all those slutty pantycam sessions would have been lost to the ages, dimly remembered only by a few people who don't even browse here anymore!"

>> No.13937210

>>13937174
Determinism is inconsistent with Bell's Theorem**

>> No.13937211

>>13937178
>4channel is a systemic problem
It is

>> No.13937212

>>13937049
i'm here

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>>13937208
This, now that tranny lesbian will never be able to publish her novel without becoming a public joke

>> No.13937220

>>13937118
>For being namefag
ftfy. here's a tip for you, when your anon, no one knows your are a girl

>> No.13937221

>>13937161
Then tell Anonymous to stop posting it.

>>13937166
I don’t wear lipstick. That’s what my lips look like.

>>13937177
Mhm. I hear that.

>>13937179
Other anons would hate that. You understand that?

>> No.13937227

>>13937118
wait you are against male homosexuality? you are gay though... how can you be against homosexuality and transgenders if you are a tranny lesbian???

>> No.13937232

>>13937118
>that wont show him her genitalia
>Posed in her pink panties on cam

>> No.13937233

>>13937179
>post a recent picture

you realize she's 40 and fat now?

>> No.13937234

>>13937220
What do you mean? My own personal anon?

>>13937216
>now some people wont read her story! *gufawww*

>> No.13937240

>>13937221
No, I don't understand. You are here everyday, they post pictures of you everyday, they talk about you everyday. It would make no difference.

>> No.13937244

>>13937233
She's actually 47 now

>> No.13937245

>>13937234
just try posting without the name field filled in! this is a website designed around anonymous posting. next week you can learn to use the catalog!

>> No.13937252

>>13936942
The lot is cast into the lap, but the disposing thereof is of the LORD.

>> No.13937259

wonder what it's like to go on /lit/ every day and each time see your face from 10 years ago

must be exhilarating for a voyeur like butterfly actually

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>>13937227
Didn’t say that. Said I’m grossed out by your bodily fluid fetishes and your penchant for anal.
I’m not “gay”, I’m lesbian. Not a trans anything. A happily lesbian woman. “Female bodied” in their vernacular

>>13937245
/b/ is designed for anonymous posting.
I was Anonymous for enough of this sites history.
I DON’T WANT TO.
You are not in control here.

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>>13937259
looking in the archive right now it seems like the running theory back in the day was that butterfly was originally just taking screenshots from a few cam videos of some girl, and there was never confirmation it was butterfly

but very recently a poster came on /lit/ and said he was in the original /lit/ t*nychat and she was in there all the time

here's a thread with more pics of her either way, ctrl+f for "7561034" that's where it starts
>>/lit/thread/7560823

>> No.13937270

>>13937266
I can't imagine how lonely and pathetic you

>> No.13937295

>>13937268
>>/lit/thread/4321043

damn this shitposter has been at it since at least 2012, she was already "we're sick of butterfly" tier in 2012 going by the archives

>> No.13937298

>>13937266
how can you say you're female bodied when there are multiple pictures of you circulating with a 3 o'clock shadow, a flat chest and a panty bulge...

anyway, what's your favorite drink and cigarette brand?

>> No.13937303

>>13937268
this is some classic butterfly stuff. is she the honorary female of lit? sometimes I feel like butterfly is smart but she never contributes much of value to any conversation even though she'll usually chime in. I don't mind butterfly but i wish she'd try harder

>> No.13937308

It doesn't matter one bit whether or not we live in a deterministic world. People just want to use determinism as a reason to be lazy.
>Is determinism true? Is it not?
Shut the fuck up and clean your room, Todd.

>> No.13937315

>>13937295
‘11, I believe.
Came in Anonymous even. Back when pol was still /news/ and before the stormfags invaded

>>13937298
>HOW CIN PHODDOCHOP???

>>13937303
The lack of people around here trying harder doesn’t inspire. I do try sometimes, and you people aren’t listening. I am smarter in a lot of ways. Not a college student head crammed with stuff, but a lifetime and a lot of books you haven’t read kind of smart. No one values it of course.

>> No.13937320

>>13937303
i just wish she'd stop saying the same damn thing in every thread

she just recs nietzsche, epicurus and stirner and claims her christian upbringing was a profound act of abuse. and if you post a pic of a woman she'll tell you how horny they make her, in case you forgot she was a lesbian

AND SHE DOES THIS IN EVERY THREAD SHE POSTS IN

like fuck, fine, but please talk about something new. you've been saying the same shit for a literal decade

now that i think about it, it's like she hasn't developed mentally since she was 17

>> No.13937325

>>13937266
>I DON'T WANT TO
that's very obvious, but then why complain when people give you shit? every name fag gets shit on, and that goes twice for tripfags. if you walk down the streets of Compton with gang colours on, you can't complain if you get attacked

>> No.13937329

>>13937233
yeah thats why im curious to see her

>>13937315
answer me butterbly
post a recent pic

>> No.13937333

>>13937268
Where can I find a lesbian gf?

>> No.13937334

>>13937320
I wish anon would stop recommending DFW, Pynchon and Joyce, and bringing up how semen retention bible thot catholic etc.
>posts pics of pepe/blowjack

AND YOU DO THIS EVERY FUCKING DAY

>>13937270
TALK ABOUT PATHETIC

>> No.13937337

>>13937325
This isn’t a give-people-shit board. Gtfo
>gang colors
Doubly. Gtfo

>> No.13937339

>>13937315
I value it and routinely debate you in threads without ever throwing insults at you.

The literature board is one of the only boards where trips should actually be encouraged, because discussions take a long time to reach fruition, sometimes multiple threads spanning days, weeks, months and possibly years depending on the subjects in question, and without some kind of naming for identification, these discussions couldn't take place. With your trip is your perspective and I immediately know what perspective your posts are coming from when you use your trip since I've been posting on and off since the start of the decade.

>> No.13937344

>>13937337
then how come I shit on you every chance I get?

>> No.13937348

>>13937244
Holy fuck. She's 47? I can't imagine living a life like hers past my 20s at the absolute latest, but to be nearing 50 and still be basing your life around the negative attention you get from a forsaken board on the internet and that great novel you'll start writing tommorow, it's harrowing. I no longer dislike Butterfly, I deeply pity her.

Butterfly, it may be too late to marry a nice man and have children (yeah I know, lesbianism isn't just a phase, etc), but it's not too late to find meaning elsewhere. Just throw away your trip, get off 4chan, get off the internet, and act passionately towards your goals without relent. True, you missed the starting gun, you're pretty much at the very bottom of society, but it's better to start rectifying that today than tomorrow.

I will pray tonight to Jesus for your salvation.

>> No.13937349

more butterfly drama from the archives, also involving feminister who i vaguely remember was a terrible poster i filtered:
>>/lit/thread/S12737308#p12737371
>>/lit/thread/S12737308#p12737427

>>/lit/thread/S10999999#p11000999

>There's no way to prove it but I am actually the anon who originally exposed Feminister as a guy. There was a thread in the /adv/ archive of feministers post in a partiular thread and he forgot to take off his trip at one point and the samefagging was obvious.
>[butterfly is] a feminister alter who outed himself in an adv thread about the imaginary gf he was also roleplaying
>butterfly whiteknighted feminister as really being a girl and to not take the post as him outing himself but as her "trolling". coming from a "lesbian" who wasn't very pro-male, or pro-tranny, that's a sudden change of allegiance for one stranger on the internet you've never met. why keep believing feminister was a girl (female) after the adv thread, and arguing with people who had doubts? this is hardly nabokovian levels of unreliable narration

https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/14494879/#q14496602
>>/lit/thread/S5197799#p5206001
lmao

butterfly is just some tranny/dude RPing as a girl, after all this time. why does he do it?

butterfly archive archives warosu butters butthurtfly feminister

>> No.13937357

>>13937339
Hello. I think I recognize you. (One of the old trips or no?) well put.

>>13937344
You need to go back

>> No.13937365

>>13937349
>All those hours of posting, building up the image of Feminister, and after forgetting to turn off the trip just once *poof* the image come crumbling down.

hahahahaha. that must have been embarrassing.

>> No.13937369

>>13937357
>wants /lit/ to be a safespace
>tells anyone else to go back

>> No.13937370

>>13937357
I've never used a trip. I'm just anonymous. I've never thought of myself as having enough character to use a trip effectively, though I would if I did. You might just recognize me from the way I write.

>> No.13937375

>>13937370
God, you are fucking pathetic.

>> No.13937382

>>13937375
Nice projection, fag. I'm all pride.

>> No.13937386

>>13937365
In what way? Shitposting as her bf?
She did vanish afterwards, but it was never actually resolved. Just some anon crowing about catching her(?) in a lie.
W/e

>>13937369
>>13937375
Go back to your home board

>>13937370
I had some encounter with an old trip is all. But I think I recognize you from a discussion from like week ago maybe... calm and reasonable. Wish I had a name to reorganize you better

>> No.13937387

>>13937118
Was the homophobia at the end necessary?

>> No.13937390

>>13937118
In a self defense scenario, were you coming at me with a knife, and it were 100% legally justified to do so, I would gun you down in self defense. I wouldn't hesitate either, to act totally within the boundaries of the law in this very specific scenario.

>> No.13937395

>>13937387
Ive been around these uncouth teenagers too long.
We beat each other up so much, we get thick skinned about it all

>> No.13937404

>>13937390
This scenario wouldn’t happen.
I am against the law, but I am against dying before my time.

>> No.13937418

>>13937395
fukn bitch. daddy neglect you so now you attention whore on here? look how many post you made on this thread... lmao get a life attention whore loser bitch.

>> No.13937431

>>13937118
Naive platitudes and try hard fag jokes are the best you can do... And you think you warrant a trip? You're a deluded narcissist.

>> No.13937447

>>13937386
>go back to your home board
bitch I read; you are the outsider

>> No.13937451

>>13937268
Butters, you look like the globgogabulab in this photo. Very high body fat but no ass, and odd, low-shelved hips.

>> No.13937452

>>13937135
no one would harass you if you stopped tripfagging. you are asking for it at this point

>> No.13937454

>>13937386
>Wish I had a name to reorganize you better
they made a site for that, it's called reddit

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>>13937452
>you are asking for it
>Shoots in face

>>13937451
It’s normal. I changed my diet and bike since then, so better now. I’m not fat because I didn’t have a baby or become a corn eating cow

>> No.13937478

>>13937472
wow, and i thought the rambling about corn thing was a meme

>> No.13937486

>>13937472
Are you hot now? What would you rate yourself out of 10. Be honest.

>> No.13937492

>>13937472
Why don't you post pics of yourself anymore?

>> No.13937513

>>13937212
Would you be so nice and describe shortly Bergson's postulates, and tell what the prerequisites are for tackling his thought?

>> No.13937545

>>13937210
I’m so tired of the “quantum physics says things are random so that means free will exists argument” meme. You don’t know anything about fucking quantum physics; there are models in quantum physics that are completely deterministic, and there are models that also reconcile Bell’s theorem with true determinism (academic, peer-reviewed, 2018 citation: Sánchez-Kuntz, Natalia, and Eduardo Nahmad-Achar. “Quantum Locality, Rings a Bell?: Bell's Inequality Meets Local Reality and True Determinism.”)
Second of all, even if the world is indeterministic, chance does not mean free will exists. Does a quantum robot have free will? No, it’s simply unpredictable. You can not argue for free will—unless, of course, you redefine free will in attempt to make the existential anxiety to go away—without appealing to some form of higher power.

>> No.13937598

>>13937174
>special relativity is inconsistent with determinism
Holy shit, Einstein, the man who came up with special relativity, was a determinist.
Quote: “Everything is determined, the beginning as well as the end, by forces over which we have no control. It is determined for the insect, as well as for the star. Human beings, vegetables, or cosmic dust, we all dance to a mysterious tune, intoned in the distance by an invisible piper.”

>> No.13937603

There seems to be two possible ways out for Butters.

She can post her current picture to cause a tectonic shift resulting in eruption of an absolute week-long meme festival bringing the absurdity beyond the pale, after which everyone internalises the perceived externality and learn to filter it as if she were another frog with her pictures enshrined in a small square somwhere on the board meta, but then largely forgotten, only too be brought into discussion by some random poster a decade into the future when a bunch of anons who are barely out of a womb now have no idea who that is.

She can alternatively take her fucking trip down and start posting for the sake of actually learning something instead of getting attention and leddit thrills from a reddit-anthitesis website. She could even start her own threads to discuss topics in which she's allegedly so well-informed.

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>>13937478
Glyphosate is real. You people think it’s s o y, well it’s in your corn too.

>> No.13937664

>>13937078
dfw looks like b4nny

>> No.13937678

>>13937118
Any comments on the theory that it's not actually you in those pictures but your gf from that time?

>> No.13937684

>>13937625
You are a transbian yes?

>> No.13937720

>>13937390
Wearing daddy sams dirty undies i c

>> No.13937720,1 [INTERNAL] 

>>13937486
I’d do me.

>>13937684
NO.