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Anarchy, fascism

>>13926025
grow up

>>13926028
Meme ideologies.

>>13926025
You need to be AT LEAST 18 years of age or older to use this website. Why the fuck is that so hard for you faggots to understand?

>>13926025
Unironically distributism is a final pill.

>>13926040
>tfw have distributist political parties in my country

>>13926032
How are they meme and marxism isnt?

>>13926025
there are more critiques of capitalism than just Marx, in fact Marx just stole a lot of his critiques from contemporary 19th century thinkers.

>>13926045
Care to elaborate, anon?

>>13926055
No!

>>13926056
O-okay...

>>13926028
This. For me the future of fascism is a radical anarchy of the individual against unquestioned symbolic value systems. Already we have seen hundreds of years of this but only in recent have we have so called autonomous “start up” situations but almost always ended in utter catastrophe. Power is inherently unstable if it outweighs the effort of constant meta-programming, that is the reorientation of itself in the face of new information. Only now are we in a state to learn, adapt, think, question with the resources at hand and for ourselves in such a way to make the possibility for a completely sovereign and independent chosen life.

Radical Centrism

>>13926074
It's the hegelian dialectic my friend

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=713iIa4yf0A

>>13926025
Distributism but it should be globally accepted to prevent warlords raiding each other.
Monarchy would solve many problems but unless the king is elected, nepotism could fuck everything up really bad.
There is also ecofascism, which the left behaves like except they get nothing done because if they did there would be no reason to vote for them anymore.
Clerical fascism is also an option but I think the best way would have to include environmental policies that actually get shit done instead of just virtue signaling about eating bugs and being vegan.
Theoratic eco-monarchy when?

Take the Ferguson-pill

>>13926025
You don't hate capitalism, you've got a petite-bourgeoisie mindset where you're mad at capitalism because its not giving you what you feel is your due but you don't want to overthrow it. You're mad because you're not at the top but don't want to destroy the system that puts you at the bottom. You're never going to be Bill Gates or Trump. Give it up, become a marxist.

>>13926061
>For me the future of fascism is a radical anarchy of the individual against unquestioned symbolic value systems

Key phrase being "for me."

Fascism was a response to jewish bolsheivism that has been irrelevant for decades and was the antithesis of your personal, retarded definition.

We need to start thinking in terms of people, not systems and ideologies. How people and their different natures affect systems and ideologies differently. And more particularly, how the nature of the current ruling class of jews affects and perpetuates the globohomo system and ideology that is omnipresent now.

>>13926025
Just keep making as many off-topic threads as you can and eventually you will have solved the world's problems I'm sure.

>>13926131
Fascism is inherently about the people, it’s own people. The Jews were situationally everywhere and yet without a home so they became target for nationalists who wanted out of the global banking system. Fascism as a philosophy is not a character in your historical romance novel but a living and breathing way of life to this day. I don’t know where you get your information but please don’t throw insults in place of a well formulated response thanks

>>13926162
>Jews were situationally everywhere and yet without a home so they became target

Jews became the target because they led the overthrow of the Russian government and began slaughtering white Russians like the savages they are.

>Fascism as a philosophy is not a character in your historical romance novel but a living and breathing way of life to this day

"Fascism" has zero relevance today, and is a specific ideology from a specific period in time. Fascism was only ever a metaphor for or collective response to jewish bolshevism, which itself was an internal attack on the peoples and and nations of Europe.

These are natural forces, though, both the jewish internal attack and the collective European or white response. Clouding such phenomena in, or framing natural group conflict around, ideology only causes confusion.

>>13926230
I understand what your saying and where your coming from

>Fascism was only ever a metaphor for or collective response to jewish bolshevism

For you.

>>13926118
I don't care about money. I hate how everyone else is obsessed with money, even Marxists. Anarcho-primitivsm is the way.

>>13926239
How are marxists obsessed with money? Marxists want to abolish money.

>>13926253
Yeah, thus being obsessed with class inequality, therefore money.

>>13926238
It was never anything more than that. What you call "Fascism" was only ever a human / white people version of white blood cells protecting the national immune system from an outside attack by a parasite, jews and jewish bolshevism.

>>13926061
This is bullshit and will never happen. Fascism has always been about the protection of the ruling class. It's impossible to thrive without the backing of rich people because their ideology is off-putting to literally 99% of the human race. Old style fascism has even less chances of coming to fruition considering that the world is way more interconnected and racial definitions are no longer as clear. People's identities no longer revolve around race or nations or any of that except for boomers but they're dinosaurs. Marxism actually has a chance

>>13926025
Let me guess you hate Marxism because he was a... you know.

>>13926025
Marxism is unironically the only way out of the neoliberal hell hole we created. Stop being a faggot and read more theory

>Many myths have been propagated about socialism. Contrary to right-wing claims, socialism would not take away the personal private property of workers, only the private ownership of major industries, financial institutions, and other large corporations, and the excessive luxuries of the super-rich.
>platform of the communist party usa

>>13926268
Even modern capitalists are only using trad fascists in certain areas of the world like Ukraine but rely on a more diverse kind of pc fascism in other contexts. There is no single movement and fascism in inherently unsustainable

>>13926259
Marxism is about liberating people from being forced to sell themselves into slavery for money. Holy shit you're such a brainlet

>>13926230
The people engaged in the Russian revolution were mostly Russians. True there were quite a lot of Jews but that’s simply because there were many Jews in Russia at the time. Under the Tsarists Jews were mistreated and ghettoised, often living in poverty, so it’s no wonder a lot of them joined a revolutionary party which vowed to abolish the institution of class. As to the “slaughter of White Russians”, that’s not true, lmao. They did kill a lot of the ruling class and the kulaks but this had absolutely nothing to do with whether they were white or not. They were simply engaged in a revolution against the ruling classes and they were attempting to abolish private property; this is no different to how napoleon chopped off the heads of kings. Was it because the kings were white? No.

You can debate as to the effectiveness of what they did or whether it was wrong or moral or whatever, but if you just took a moment to read Lenin’s writings you would see that his motivations were sincere. He was an avid reader of Marx and Hegel and he thought that he was bringing about the emancipation of the working class. Anything else is just a conspiracy theory.

>it's a /pol/fag da joos episode
yikes and bluepilled

>>13926025
There are many options >>13926028 are the two most common alternatives but they are relatively modern concepts, just like capitalism and Marxism are too.

You are free to come up with a new way, but make sure to at least in part keep within the rules which govern our reality and does not rely on all humans cooperating perfectly.

Why spend a lot of time reading if only to copy other peoples ideas and never coming up with your own or modifying existing ideas and concepts?

>>13926293
>The people engaged in the Russian revolution were mostly Russians.
The people who led the bolshevik revolution and thereafter created and controlled the Soviet Union were jews.

Try being more honest and people will be more likely to read the rest of your posts.

>>13926304
I explained why you retard.

>>13926312
The issue is whether you want to be honest about jews are not. When you start out with a lie that blatantly minimizes the role of jews, you should expect to not be taken seriously here. Would you like to try again?

>>13926322
I was honest. Jews had a presence in the Bolshevik party because they were oppressed under the Tsarists so it’s no wonder they joined revolutionary parties, but the majority of Bolsheviks were Russian.
>According to the 1922 Bolshevik party census, there were 19,564 Jewish Bolsheviks, comprising 5.21% of the total, and in the 1920s of the 417 members of the Central Executive Committee, the party Central Committee, the Presidium of the Executive of the Soviets of the USSR and the Russian Republic, the People's Commissars, 6% were ethnic Jews.[19] Between 1936 and 1940, during the Great Purge, Yezhovshchina and after the rapprochement with Nazi Germany, Stalin had largely eliminated Jews from senior party, government, diplomatic, security and military positions.[20]

>>13926025
become a nostalgist for postwar social democracy
if you take the overarching view that capital always devours, it was always doomed (and there's kind of a romanticism to that) but if you believe it can be managed and constrained in some way then there are plenty of interesting paths to save social democracy throughout the 1970s and 80s which were not taken.

>>13926043
Marxism is also a meme ideology but that doesn’t stop fascism and especially anarchism from being dumb

>>13926335
>everything is memes
Just be a liberal like you so desperately want to be and shut up.

>>13926298
If I were to come up with a political theory I'd do the following.
1.exclusive monopoly of banking by the state
2.allow capitalism for major industries but the state would get a share with majority voting power
3.there'd be a worker representative in the board of directors like in Germany
4.The national bank would help subsidize cooperatives for mainstreet
5.There'd be more referendums in which people could vote online
Anyways it'd be a mix of everything, people probably wouldn't like it as much because it wouldn't be as pure.

>>13926326
>had a presence
This is dishonest.

>they were oppressed under the Tsarists
This is a 2015 jewish talking point that is not taken seriously anymore.

Jews have no business being in the west in the first place, so why the fuck would you ever expect anyone to care about your claims of them being "oppressed"?

It was not Russia's problem to safeguard jews then, and it is not our problem to safeguard jews now. Jews are an alien race of middle easterners who have no business being in our countries, and must be removed from them.

>>13926350
>this is dishonest
It’s not. I gave you the censuses. 6% is undoubtedly a large presence but I also gave you the reasons for this.
>2015 talking point
I don’t know what you mean. Russian jews were forced into tiny ghettos, were often impoverished, suffered state persecution and pogroms, etc. That’s why a lot of them supported revolution/reform in Russia, and the Bolshevik party, who were not only peddling revolution but class equality and workers union, seemed attractive to a group of impoverished and oppressed Jews. That being said, they were only 6% of the party and when Stain came to power that basically dropped down to 0%

>>13926376
>I gave you the censuses.
That's a fake consensus I debunked 5 years ago from a usg report that is based on party affiliation and not actual representation. It's bogus for many reasons.

>Russian jews were forced into tiny ghettos, were often impoverished, suffered state persecution and pogroms, etc.
And white people should care about this why? Jews are vagabonds from the Middle East. We have no obligation to ensure your safety or well-being, only your return to Israel, which, after our assistance in helping to establish, half of you gypsies still haven't moved to.

>>13926404
>Those sources
>the "main gulags"
>"central government"
Is this the power of /pol/?

Also you are you to say who belongs where? I really hope you condemn white colonization and presence in foreign continents with just as much virulence as you do for Jews.

>>13926293
Bro, white means the actual anti-Bolshevik movement, there were "white" Kalmyks, Georgians, and even Siberian tribals. Read up.

>>13926425
>Is this the power of /pol/?
I wouldn't know, I've never posted on pol. But those are mainstream sources, so your critique fails.

>who are you to say who belongs where?
People and nations are divided along lines of race, culture, and language. It is only the jew, the gypsy outsider, who attempts to claim no such lines exist, because such an arrangement is beneficial only to the gypsy outsider.

>>13926025
unironically sharia

>>13926025
Your problem is that you think Marxism is the opposite of capitalism
Read the Unabomber manifiesto and youll understand that the real problem is not the economic system but the values that society upholds

>>13926025
Yes, friend, of course there is a way. Take the aristocracy pill. Read about history of The Most Serene Republic of Venice and this should by itself solve your problems.

>>13926025
i feel the same way.
i'm pro-market, pro free trade, but i hate consumerism deeply. i believe production shpuld be adequate.

>>13926404
You're a complete retard. Learn some critical thinking. There should be some sort of test to weed out /pol/ retards and ban them from interaction with any other being. Also this isn't literature go back to your containment board you shitty incel test.

>>13926474
He mentioned he thinks 'jews have no place in the west' 2 posts earlier though. Why are you so affected now?

>>13926025
Hating capitalism it hating human nature and order. I hate it all, fuck this flawed existence.

>>13926446
>mainstream sources
They’re not. The bolsheviks own census shows that Jews were 6%.

>>13926462
https://youtu.be/w_CfUmSjiP4

>>13926404
>that chart
Kek, do people actually fall for this shit?
>white people should care about this why?
Where did I say white people should care about this? I never did. I offered it as an explanation for why so many Jews joined revolutionary parties such as the Bolsheviks. Your head is so inundated with /pol/ talking points you literally can’t even follow the point I’m making.

>>13926446
>Mainstream sources
>An Israeli journalist
>A 1918 sources about the NKVD founded in 1934
>Hermann Greife, a Nazi, writing in 1937 an article called "The Jewish-Run Concentration Camps in the Soviet Union"
>George A simons a self help psychologist charged with abuse in an article about Soviet propaganda written in 1919 about the Soviet "central government" (?)

Those are trash sources.

>People and nations are divided along lines of race, culture, and language.
Alright so when are all the white people living abroad in south America, Africa, Asia or north America coming back instead of being parasites in foreign lands?

>>13926028
>fascism
That’s just capitalism on steroids.

>>13926131
Go back to your shithole

the dystopia of the modern web makes me wish we'd got the megacorp dystopia people were predicting before the internet took off.
i wouldn't mind being a morbidly obese McDonalds™ Junior McManagement McSlave™ living in the McSlums™ eating my McNuggets™ watching McDonalds™ TV™ if it meant i didn't live in a world where instead being a furry porn artist living in a Podshare™ (generously funded by Patreons like you, give today from just $5 a month!) scrolling past #relatable #content from Wendys™ while waiting for the KFC™ Colonel Sanders™ Dating Sim downloads onto my shitty keyboarded MacBook which is melting my lap under the weight of the 500 different advertising trackers recording my every move so that it can recommend more relevant #Content to me and people demographically similar to me.

>>13926474
Zero argument from the jew, no surprise.

>>13926483
Because I actually referred to him as a jew in that post.

>>13926497
Are you aware of the source of that?

>>13926516
>Your head is so inundated with /pol/ talking points
I've been to pol fewer than 5 times so that's impossible.

>Where did I say white people should care about this?
I didn't say you did. But will you care when we purge and kick you out this time?

>>13926025
Neoabsolutism
>C.A. Bond
>Adam Katz et al
Catholic Theocracy (opt. Distributism)
>St. Tommy Aqua
>I mean this one has boundless historical support
Roman Corporativist Fascism (bit too modern imo)
>Julius Evola (granted Fascism was too bougie for him)
>Giovanni Gentile

Also Spengler's Prussian Socialism is good
A synthesis between these differing postions is easily possible too

>>13926524
are you retarded at least read Giovanni Gentile directly or something and not some pseud like Umberto Eco pls anon

>>13926517
>so when are all the white people living abroad in south America, Africa, Asia or north America coming back instead of being parasites in foreign lands?
White people are the only people capable of creating value and innovation. White people have not adapted to nor are we suited for the role of parasite like jews are. That said, white people should not be lending our services to others.

>>13926561
actually japan is number 1 in innovation
https://oec.world/en/rankings/country/eci/

>>13926032
>hereditary information that grows on humans
>means you get to ignore them

>>13926295
>yikes

>>13926025
the world wasn't any easier in the past. it's not about capitalism, it's about putting up with the limits of life itself, in my opinion. that's not to say the system is good as is.

FEUDALISM

>>13926025
Just accept God's variant of eugenics and its karmic retribution. There is no salvaging this pile - the corrupt are too powerful and vast. All classes are corrupt to the core.
You may only hope that you are a mutant who sees the world and isn't genetically predisposed to oppose truth or beauty, but I doubt it - you're here.

Can anyone give me one reason why banking shouldn't be nationalized?

>third way

>>13926591
Certainly not. "Innovation" was in reference to scientific and technological innovation, and East Asians are some of the least innovative people on earth.

>>13926646
always found it hilarious that radcen anthony giddens (author of "the third way", tony blair's ideology) had a conversation with gadaffi about his "third international theory" and thought he was a genius, lol.

>>13926626
Because the internationalist clique of jews currently running our banks would no longer have control, duh.

>>13926561
>White people are the only people capable of creating value and innovation.
Why does that matter? That's no reason to intermix with other races and cultures.

>>13926649
The chart I showed was from 2019
Yours is from medieval age until 1950

>>13926663
If one race is responsible for nearly all innovation, there is indeed no reason for that race to "intermix with other races and cultures" as that would diminish said race's ability to innovate.

>>13926676
You showed no chart and your link did not even contain the word "Innovation."

>>13926689
>ECI measures the knowledge intensity of an economy by considering the knowledge intensity of the products it exports
Aka innovation

>>13926694
Acronyms do not stand for whatever you want them to. Asians are not innovative people and never have been.

Ascend economy, then ascend politics. Don't engage in information society.

Take the Georgist pill OP, this is exactly what you're looking for.

>>13926025
>Islam
>Waiting for cataclysm
>Nonsense ideologies that don't exist outside of internet

STOP RESENTING CAPITAL

I just want whatever ideology means less work, which is likely marxism. I could give a shit about owning le means of production in the digital and service age.

>>13926033
t. just turned 18 yesterday

ok kiddo

>>13926276
Sounds based to me does this include getting rid of landlords and will it justify violence against them?

>>13926061
>the future of fascism is a radical anarchy of the individual against unquestioned symbolic value systems*.
*which is what fascism is

>>13926025
Any "third way" just leads to more capitalism/unrestricted capitalism

>>13927579
Depends on what you consider to be a restriction. I suppose central banks and the pyramid scheme of usury can count as such, so the Final Solution would remove restraints on capitalism. However, the remaining capitalism would (because it has no options) feed human need for aesthetic completion. The architecture could no longer afford institutionalized ugliness because it would lose its audience.

>>13926271
Marxist? Yes.

>>13926271
Power in the nasty hands of (((bureaucrats))) or (((investors))). Third way is to have the power in the hands of humans, preferably a single one to avoid inhuman rule.

>>13926339
ironic given polfags are the ones living in a clown world

>>13927688
no third way is having the power in the hand of bureaucrats...

>>13927690
/pol/fags are the ones to react to it, doesn't mean others aren't embodying it.

>>13927700
That's communism, though. Institutional control over the classification of people's needs.
>That village needs 5 tractors
Who chooses if the number is 5? Bureaucrats. Who chooses if they get any of it? Bureaucrats.

>>13927711
>Who chooses if the number is 5? Bureaucrats. Who chooses if they get any of it? Bureaucrats.
Who should choose it instead?

>>13926025
>hate marxism

shut up, burgoid

>>13927716
>Who should choose it instead?
Needs just are, they aren't selected or chosen. I don't choose to be hungry, and no bureaucrat can have power over my needs, nor access to them.
State can only control people and their actions, it's useless in terms of granting people anything they need. It can give money or rules and hope that they align. The best method is aligning the rules and money with the metaphysical ones already in place and hope that people choose to live correctly.

>>13926626
I've been thinking about these sorts of questions too. Too me, nationalizing the pharmaceutical industry is an absolute no brainer.
> Inb4 m-muh profit motive
You'd still have the researchers doing their job (you could probably pay them more infact), but you'd be able to cut out the pharma executives and all the waste spent on advertising. Instead of the profit needs of shareholders to drive research, you could have a panel of experts decide what is needed.

>>13927723
I think that the lower classes should be guillotined to reach equality. It's highly privileged for only some classes to have a right to retribution, when the uglies have always oppressed and tormented the perception-spheres of superior people.

>>13927730
i think americans should be nuked

>>13927725
Lot ot words, zero sense. Who should distribute the tractors?

>>13927738
Me too, can't allow any baby torturing (circumcising) monsters amidst humans.

>>13927773
>Who should distribute the tractors?
In USSR it was the lesser institutions of the Politbureau. It's the same across all Marxist societies.

>>13927779
That's not an answer. Who should distribute the tractors in your "third way" society?

>>13927773
>Who should distribute the tractors
How should I know? Meme gods or the individual people involved.

>>13927790
The landlord should distribute tractors to be used by his or her property.

>>13927791
So you don't know how could a "third way" exist. Good to know.

>>13927803
I suppose Karma will always do the distribution. If people are stupid and give power to jews, it will always end poorly for them. The third solution is to let go of marxism and capitalism - by being authentic to the self. Dealing in the same set of parameters as they do - is a waste of time.

>>13927803
Maybe we should get rid of the control freaks and let people organically come to terms on their own?

Deleuzian Monarchism

>>13927706
>be elon musk
>be a fucking billionaire, one of the most powerful men on the planet
>cry that you're victimized by the big bad press and you're just a poor underdog despite the fact you have the wealth of a small country
>normies and fedoras eat it up

>>13927802
How does landlord gain the legitimacy over land?
Where did he get resources to build and run the tractors? One landlord can't have enough land to be self-sufficient and if he did he would have shitton of buerocrats running the ordeal.

>>13927828
>>13927811
You are hiding behind vague and meaningless terminology.

>>13926292
Marxism is about evading Malthusian traps via the continual rape of the human personality and will in vain pursuit of ever-increasing fulfillment of material needs

The greatest trick played in the 20th century by the elites, disproportionately Jewish, was simply to fuck up society and politics so much that the average person thinks the current state of things is "normal." You look around you and see a world of hedonistic, atomized, selfish retards all scrambling over each other, controlled by oligarchs and slave-masters who can't be trusted to hold a minor managerial position for five minutes without becoming corrupt, and you think this is normal, because it's all you've ever known. This was never normal until very recently.

This wasn't what things were like in 1850, or 1900. When you read about how people were "rebellious" back then, or there was "chaos" in politics, what that actually means is that people with radically opposed goals were in conflict with one another. But they weren't the pill-addled, barely literate, mongrelized porn addicts you see around you today. No matter how fucked up they were, they were still human. The lowest dregs showed more humanity and self-awareness than the average "educated" person does nowadays, because they weren't pumped full of designer chemicals and addicted to tranny porn, and they weren't deracinated from their own culture. And while corruption and bias are the perennial problems of office-holding, the modern hopeless doomer would be astonished to see how seriously people at least COULD take their positions of authority, just a few generations back.

There are two dimensions to the social problem. There is the one you are already familiar with, the standard dimension of "what is to be done?," in the usual sense of high politics. But the trick is that this higher dimension, of real politics, can't even begin to develop and flourish until you've cleared up the more basic one, which is the simple fact that bankers, advertisers, international financiers, cultural and social engineers, and assorted Jews have turned the average citizen of your country into a (literally) methed-out, product-addicted retard.

The key thing to understand is that before these nationless oligarchic parasites were allowed free rein over your nation, your nation was naturally tending NOT toward atomization and degeneration, but higher and higher self-consciousness. They always tell you that nationalism is a "cancer," and what they really mean is that they're afraid of the fact that nations grow naturally into self-relating organisms. That's simply life, not cancer. They're the cancer, because they're an external parasite existing at the expense of the body.

What you experience as normal is a lie they've sold you since birth so that you never see the real normal, which is nationalism, which is a form of socialism much more primordial than any theory (though it may be aided by theory). Remove the liars and ignore the lies FIRST, and THEN the natural life of the nation will resume, and real politics will again become possible. If it doesn't have a home, don't let it in your home.

>>13926103
>Monarchy would solve many problems but unless the king is elected, nepotism could fuck everything up really bad.

you dont get what monarchy is lad, the reason why its good is because they are not elected. they are born to do it

>>13927850
>You are hiding behind vague and meaningless terminology.
Hiding? No. I only know what's wrong. Bureaucrats, jews and investors should not be affecting things, as the results speak for themselves.

>>13926025
Burn all the books, wait three generations, then kill all the neo-boomers, finally implement a theocracy.

>>13927914
This is the future Jews managed to buy from the Devil by the brutal ritual sacrifice of the Tsar family. However, all evil is self-defeating, and the minimum we must do is survive and out-sustain it.

>>13926025
Well, what do you like about life?

>>13926025
>What is a man supposed to do in this situation?
Grow up and get a job.

>>13928071
>I only know what's wrong. Bureaucrats, jews and investors should not be affecting things
That's not "third way". That's just good ole anarchism. Maybe you were mistaken that they both wear black,

>>13926025
If you're being critical of capitalism that's literally what Marxism is. I think you're confusing Marxism with Communism.

>>13927914
> You look around you and see a world of hedonistic, atomized, selfish retards all scrambling over each other
There is a way to unite without the state and that is through doctrine.
If all the people's of difference races and backgrounds believe in the same doctrine they would unite.
This role used to be filled by religion but now nothing fills it.
If we're not going to be christians we might as well be petersonians for practicalities sake.
Christianity is a doctrine most people can somewhat agree on.

>>13926028
Correct opinion, more precisely the way of the Anarch as laid out by Ernst Jünger

>>13928137
>If all the people's of difference races and backgrounds believe in the same doctrine they would unite.

>>13928137
>If all the people's of difference races and backgrounds believe in the same doctrine they would unite.

Jews are quite openly and obviously uniting them around the doctrine of Take Whitey's Shit.

>>13928083
Gay things like morning sunlight on my face and the softness of a girl's thighs.