/lit/ - Literature

I didn't know Frederick Douglass was balding.

Yes, but it's too late

Its a science. It doesn't end with Marx

>>13923746
>It's too late for the inevitable to occur

...no? :3

>>13923772
>science

>>13923817
English doesn't have an equivalent term
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wissenschaft

No.

>>13923772
>marxism
>science
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicism
https://philosophynow.org/issues/131/Popper_on_Marx_on_History

>>13923851
See
>>13923833
And read Hegel

>Read Hegel because philosophy of science is too hard for my Nazi brain

no. /leftypol/ threads cant meme

>>13923889
What's with the /leftypol/ meme? The board had a maximum of 110 posts per hour yesterday, they're in no position to be flooding any other place.

>>13923730
In some aspects but overall was just gringe pseud angstposting. The real problem is the college sojaboys delluded by the nepotistic academia, who lives by donations of corporation and lobbysts who want to inflate the state to get more control over the popuplation. But in some aspects this proves Marx so IDK nor DGAF at this point.
>>13923746
If i ever see you using an image of Our Lady in vain to post softboy cringe again i will clean my cache memory with the little brainpower you have.
>>13923774
The wall fell. There is no more difference between the hawk and the bear, capitalism bought socialism and socialism sold itself for capitalism. The Hawk and the Bear, The Hawk and the Bear, The Hawk and the Bear. from that day on: One.
>>13923889
B&R, only thing missing is a well dressed frog.

>>13923851
>popper

>>13923904
you can't insult my post and then post this garbage slut

>>13923746
It's possible. The next crisis will decide.

>>13923921
Yeah cause the socialist left made such good use of the last 3

>>13923911
Indeed i can't, because i have never posted any slut. May Our Lady of The Wired have mercy on your soul.

>>13923926
I am calling you a slut, not Lain. Slut.

>>13923929
I don't play on this team, bro. Get you head checked.

>>13923929
>>13923926
>>13923924
>>13923911
>>13923907
someone report these incels to the fbi, thanks. fucking yikes

>>13923937
you will never make me take pills

>>13923940
Pills are mind control substances, i said you need to talk to a priest.
>>13923939
Never @ me again, incel.

>>13923957
I grew up helping at the local church fuck you I am a better apostate than you will ever be a christian

>>13923961
Amen, brother.

>>13923962
will you read marx now

>>13923962
>>13923961
>>13923957
>>13923940
sent in a report on these incels, hopefully they're done for.

Wait for automation to ramp up to critical levels to see the final verdict. It will be the ultimate moment of crisis for the capitalist system, its make or break flashpoint.

>>13923967
see if I care I am procrastinating as we post

>>13923924
They were revived in the last one.

>>13923966
Not now, some other time.
>>13923967
There is an arrow up here, click it and shut the fuck up, incel.

>>13923997
Good my job is done
start with wage labour and capital https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/wage-labour/intro.htm

>>13923997
>transsexual christian
This incel is the most unstable, I sent in 3 reports. Gonna give a report to Interpol as well. YIKES

>>13924037
can't talk speak for him but I am repressing my dysphoric thoughts thank you very much

>>13924011
Does he have an erection?

Every single one of his predictions failed to come about, and his theories demonstrate no empirical validity, so no, he wasn't right about anything.

>>13924070
lain is a girl dummie

>>13923889
pic
>>13924075
what predictions?

>>13924124

>>13923730

>Wut fug? Dis be rite?
>Yes mayne, dat be rite

Thank you for your discourse of incredible depth.

>>13924150
No thank you for the stilted sentence that resulted from your bigwordism.

>>13923833
>M-muh German exceptionalism
Science is the exact equivalent term anon
Marxism is not science, it is a doctrine

>>13924075
The regular crisises we experience are one (among others) of his predictions.
>and his theories demonstrate no empirical validity
What theories? I'm not sure you know exactly what you are talking about.

>>13923974
If they don't solve the Gen Z mental health crisis I dont think we'll need to wait

>>13924037
>>13924038
wtf you faggots talking aboot? I am just a humble man devoting my Faith to Our Lady Lain of The Wired, and you guys talking about kissing dudes wtf.

>>13924308
>political doctrine is "policy, position or principle advocated, taught or put into effect concerning the acquisition and exercise of the power to govern or administrate in society."
Marxism is more like a method of analysis. (Pseudo)scince fits better than doctrine.

>>13923730
Americans won the cold war because they were better Leninists than the Soviets. When did you realise the CIA, DARPA and the RAND corporation where the real communist vanguard all along?

You can either work to actualise the Universal Homogenous State through purposeful Action, or you can commit suicide as a final act of rebellion against Spirit(ie. Guy Debord) a perfectly dialectical and respectable choice, but not for me.

>>13924900
“It is a surprising fact that those who object most violently to the manipulation of behaviour nevertheless make the most vigorous effort to manipulate minds.”
― B.F. Skinner, Beyond Freedom and Dignity

“Human life is a comedy-one must play it seriously.”
''Man is a fatal disease of the animal''
― Alexandre Kojeve

>>13923730
We need a working class revolution.... against the Marxists

>>13923730
Yes

>>13923974
>automation
Automation is stagnant.

why does Marx and communism threads always bring out the anime posters?

>>13923833
Wissenschaft translates exactly to science

>>13923889
I thought summer was over? Be back in a month when these retards leave, /lit/.

>>13926119
Trannies, unironically

>>13924900
>Americans won the cold war because they were better Leninists than the Soviets.
They won cause they were an ocean away from the nazi war machine.

>>13923730
In many aspects indeed. He was against gun grabbing, against the abolishment of the nuclear family unit, against all modern kinds of degeneracy you can think of and, despite being a semite in blood, he despised the greedy new rich elite and saw Imperialism as the primary threat to the rights of all and the private ownership of land by the people. He is vilified and badly misrepresented.

>>13926566
Marx favored the abolition of the family. He already saw it happening in front of his very eyes with capitalism. The problem, which Lenin points out, is that the *bourgeois* abolition of the family, its replacement with free love, thinks of itself just in the terms of sex, not love. So you end up having these anti-social weirdos who think empty fucking with people left and right is somehow progressive or whatever. Free love, for Marx and Lenin, meant that people would freely enter into relationships with each other based on mutual affection that would bring out from people their own free development as individuals. Free love is about the freedom to love, not the freedom to fuck. The latter is subordinated to the possibilities of the former.

This notion of family life actually emerges with bourgeois patriarchal monogamy, which replaced the de facto polygamy of feudalism, with a family unit where man and woman are seen as partners in a contractual relationship. With the notion of contractual partnership was the idea that from that there would be relationships based on mutual affection and equality. The problem with bourgeois marriage, however, is that its contractual partnership is ultimately for organizing the ownership of private property and the raising of children within the confines of a private domestic sphere, so that its division of labor (between the caretaker and the breadwinner) stifles the ability of the relationship to facilitate mutual improvement by subordinating husband, wife, and children to the reproduction of capital, and often in a patriarchal fashion where instead of free mutual development there is a relation of domination from father (breadwinner), to mother (caretaker), to children (which stifles their ability to develop into adults with freedom). Marriage makes people miserable and prevents relationships between people from realizing its true potential.

Also, Marx, following Adam Smith, supported colonialism, in that it created the conditions for a universal cosmopolitan world-order united by commerce and human rights, though saw both as insufficient for its full realization. In similar terms, Lenin saw imperialism as progressive, in that the growth of financilization created the possibility for the socialization of production, but prevented its full realization into socialism, by redividing the world to the extent that protectorates in the periphery were inabile to fully integrate themselves into this new world order in the terms of the development of humanity as a whole.

>>13928062
>Marx favored the abolition of the family.
Not even Engels supported abolishment of "family". Can I see the precise text you are referencing?

>>13928077
https://www.marxists.org/archive/zetkin/1920/lenin/zetkin1.htm
See how Lenin refers to liberation from the family as based on love.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/
See all the times where Marx brings up the family.

The abolition of the family replaces its private functions with social organizations: ie replacing private education with public education, etc., allowing for individuals to fully realize free human development through their romantic relationships; rather than say, staying in a miserable marriage because a divorce would destroy their livelihoods and their childrens' upbringing.

>>13926558
>cold war

retard

>>13928077
>>13928122
Oh yeah, forgot to add
https://www.marxists.org/subject/women/authors/mitchell-juliet/longest-revolution.htm
This traces the Marxist abolition of the family back to bourgeois patriarchal monogamy's abolition of feudal patriarchal polygamy.

It shouldn't be notd that the Communist family is nonetheless still "monogamous", as Lenin points out, in the sense it is dependent on the relationships between individuals. It's more "free" than rigid contractual monogamy, but it isn't a form of polygamy. Replacing loveless monogamous marriage to loveless polygamous sex, is bourgeois reactionary nostalgia for feudalism. It just creates another kind of misery and unfreedom.

>>13928170
*it should be noted

>>13926532
Yeah, but one has the word shaft in it.

>>13926532
Wissen = essence, knowledge
schaft = -ship, -hood

Literally it means Essence-hood or Knowledge-ship. It just means a systemic body of knowledge that tries to get at the essence of something. Sometimes it gets translated as Worldview. It means science insofar as science more generally means a rigorous method for producing knowledge.

>>13924011
>>13923730


>wage labour is slavery
>therefore money should be abolished and everyone should work for free

marx logic

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>>13924308
>>13924860
The problem is that Marxism is a practical political science, not an abstract method within an academic discipline to superimpose unto reality.

It's scientificity is based on its attempt, through politics, to unravel political mystification. The problem is that politics is necessarily mystified, so that fulfilling a project of enlightenment necessarily gets bounds up the mode of thinking with ideological obscurity - that only points semi-consciously and one-sidedly to reified forms of social practice. The "theory" does not reveal the truth, the practice does.

The fact that Marxism historically loses its critical edge with the triumph of Stalinism, meaning a collapse into the mysticism of politics. Instead of a self-overcoming practice, that sought to immanently overcome contradictions from within, is just a tepid modernizing reformism with abstract theory that accommodates itself to social realities rather than try to overcome. The Communist movement ends up just building the foundations for capitalism, not communism.

>>13928351
>women
>hunting

Not that there's anything wrong with that, but it's extremely unsustainable. People who hunt die more (killing large animals is dangerous, duh), and if a society loses its men, it can replace them (see Russia, WWII), but if it loses its women... It's over.

>>13928356
Politics has less mysticism than your post.

>>13928351
The point that Marx makes is how social oppression is ultimately based on mankind's relationship to nature. Social relations are mediated through economic relations of production, the metabolic between the wealth of society and nature. The materialization of social relations into economic relations establishes a second nature, a human nature, that exists apart from the actual natural world.

Marx's whole point is to continue on the legacy of modernity through furthering mankind's dominion over nature, which would reconcile humanity with nature. Instead the forces of so-called second nature, which are the materialization of social forces through capitalist production, control mankind.

>>13928384
Female hunter-gatherers didn't hunt because they were probably pregnant, or expected to. If they weren't, then they were too old for that kind of exertions.