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>>13900803
When are we going to dispense with the childish pill metaphors? How am I supposed to take an article seriously when it's titled The Clear Pill?

I paused at a few moments wondering if I was actually just reading an old essay. Pretty disappointing, doesn't seem like he had much more new to say.

go away cuck

no one wants to read your jewry

>>13900803
Rather boring recap so far. Seems a lot shorter than the old poasts too. Curious to see what new rethorical devices he will bring to the table in the next parts.

>>13900843
>>13900854
I dont think he has anything new. It's possible he's come up with something less retarded than Patchwork for the final essay, but the next three are just going to be his old criticisms of Progs, conservatives, and fascists.

>>13900864
>well actually, if Epstein Island had been privately owned by a board of responsible directors with a judicious initial distribution of voting shares. Say they rename it JeffCorp...

>>13900907
How will NRx ever recover?

>>13901132
idk about Moldbug but i think both Spandrell and Jim said that Epstein did nothing wrong lel

>>13900803
He's helping us bros. He's helping us cope with whats about to happen to Trump and guide us to what's next

>>13901171
based moldbug

>>13901141
Spandrell's race makes him incapable of empathy in situations such as these, it's hardly his fault.

last thread got pruned after people began discussing jewish involvement in the bolshevik revolution lmfao
>>/lit/thread/13895007

>>13901189
>Spandrell's race
didnt think anyone knew what it was

>>13900864
Good, means he's repackaging it for normie neocons and watching how they respond. NRx will unironically save is all.

>>13900803
I'm impressed that Moldbug somehow thinks that abolishing democracy, he'll abolish ideological conflict in general too. He forgets exactly why liberal democracy is the way it is (hint: it has something to do with a little war in Germany in the seventeenth century).

>>13901183
Curtis Yarvin is crypto-neocon

prove me wrong

>>13901371
*a crypto-neocon fuck

>>13900803
Further proof men have one idea ever.

>>13901207
2013 called

>>13901132
Is a joke. But ppl will make that argument against nrx

>>13901402
Fuck, if only. I found out about this in 2017 after it was long dead.

>>13901535
It's less dead than you think :^)

>>13901205
Han Chinese

>>13901698
Oh. Didn't he say he was white in one of his blogs once? I vaguely remember that when he said he'd go on a trip to Xinjiang (mentioned "a bunch of white guys").

>>13901535
Jacobitemag is a thing. How is it dead?

>>13901727
Jacobite has some serious people writing for it if you look into it. Also there's a bunch of other shit going on if you've been following the NRx adjacent sphere, but it's not publicized for a reason. Next few years will be fun as shit.

>>13901743
I've known about Jacobite for a while but I'm only reading Moldbug's stuff now. Haven't touched Land yet, but he's next.

What are other sources in the adjacent sphere? What's exciting?

I'm in the SF bay and occasionally go to cypto meetups. Free food and drink is common. I'm certainly pretty excited, but it's mostly just a feeling at this point. I've had these ideas floating in my head for a while before I realized they had been given some form in NRx.

>>13901778
There used to be quite a lot of publications, but they got abandoned for the most part. The most encouraging thing is that Moldbug seems to have committed to action, which is encouraging. His leaving Urbit now makes a lot of sense

Again, there's one thing I am pretty sure is an NRx project that is very recent and IRL, but I don't want to bust them yet. In fact I night join them, depending on how much heat they get.

>>13901698
He insults the chinese all the time, I really doubt he's one of them. I think he's eastern euro

>>13901833
> I am pretty sure is an NRx project that is very recent and IRL
Good god, you've got to tell me then

Self-reunification is calling.
Source: True Believer

>>13901402
2010-2013 was a blessed time for the internet

>>13900817
Moldbug gets a pass because he invented it.

>>13901942

>>13901366
>He forgets exactly why liberal democracy is the way it is (hint: it has something to do with a little war in Germany in the seventeenth century).

go on

>>13902049
book?

>>13902049
See:
>>13901942

It's True Believer. Quick read.

>>13900803
I think "Congressional Supremacy" is an erroneous take. Anyone who has bothered to look has noticed that the intelligence agencies and their adjacent groups run the US.

>>13901833
RIP Thermidor and Social Matter, those were fun times.

>>13902319
Wasn't that his point? The unelected "civil" government actually runs things, and the formally-elected-but-not-really-accountable Congress is just the lie that gives the illusion of democracy?

>>13902323
They're not as gone as you think. That's all I will say.

>>13900803
>ever listening to some ugly chinless nerd about some alleged 'pill' for everything

Ok, I just finished Technology, Communism, and the Brown Scare.

Here is some actual, light criticism:
He equates Telescoping Philanthropy with Non-Empathetic Altruism, saying basically that SJW's don't really care about those in need of their social justice. They do obviously care.

Telescoping Altruism is actress Anne Hathaway saying all black people live in fear of (white) violence every day because Nia Wilson was killed on BART by a homeless white man. What she didn't know, was that 5 days within Nia Wilson's murder 2 white people died from BART attacks by black men (separate incidents).

Anne Hathaway has obviously never stepped foot in a black neighborhood. So definitely telescoping.

But what about SJW's that live in urban areas? In a lot of cases, I think that ultimately they are taught to put the cloak of victimhood on minorities, and even themselves, because of academic rhetoric.

In some ways this isn't even telescopic. Things are more equal than ever for women, and yet women are absolutely more angry than ever. Same with minorities, gays, trans, you name it.

Whatever it is, it's a little more nuanced than
>these people don't actually care
They have programmed themselves to compartmentalize themselves into severe victimhood (qua witchhunter vs witch) and care a great deal.

>>13902359
You realize that he's verifiably a genius, right?

>>13902350
Quit being so cryptic, fag

I think what's needed from the Right is a full-blown de-mystification of power, so that it can be put to good use in society, rather than mere anti-democracy. The trouble with mere anti-democracy is that if we look at trends in the electorate over the past several decades, we would have gotten better policy outcomes from actual mob rule than what we actually got. I guess what I'm thinking here is a deconstruction of the BDH-OV (as Moldbug calls it) mechanism.

>>13902369
Telescopic*
Typo

>>13902350
Interesting. I wrote for both publications for a time. I had a good time in the Thermidor slack, back in the day.

These days I'm most active on Catholic Twitter, which is still chugging along pretty merrily. The debates about integralism have been interesting.

>>13902369
I don't know if 'don't care' is his argument. His argument is more that they behave in ways counterproductive to helping anyone due to a variety of influences.

>>13902380
What was the process like? Was everyone anonymous?

>>13902386
We all pretty much used pseudonyms. Even to this day, when I'm in touch with most of the guys, they hide their names and faces. I think it's a little too paranoid, but what do I know?

>>13902395
No that's good. Max OPSEC.

>>13902335
Didn't sound like he was arguing that to me. If anything the Supreme Court has caused more democratic defeats than Congress. I mean, there's literally one use of "CIA" in the entire essay.

>>13900803

Moldbug does it again.

>>13902380
I'm Catholic but have only occasionally looked at Catholic Twitter. "Integralism" seemed to be Progressivism without abortion in my admittedly cursory overview.

>>13902369
>given those givens
None of those are givens sugartits

>>13902440
That's not exactly it. It's more precise to say that Integralism involves bulldozing the "wall of separation" between Church and State. It gets its inspiration from the governments of the Middle Ages, in which the Church was involved with the running of the various kingdoms and republics of Europe. It's not a theocracy, because the Church doesn't actually wield power directly, but the Church is "integrated" into the business of the State, and has a special relationship with a government. Hence the name.

Why is there never discussion in these threads about the CORE ideas of the work? If there even IS discussion it's overwhelmingly useless snark nitpicking or discussion about the author's character.

I think the point about neutrality he raises is good - it seems to be a position that anyone with any sense is taking these days.

I like the analogies and discussion of the post-hitler story, the comparison of one-story and two-story states, but as with any analysis that tries to invent analogies like this, I have a suspicion that a lot is being covered up. This is inevitable, but you can apply his "clear pill" formula to what he's saying - imagine a world where political systems are, basically, as he describes. Does it fit with what we observe? Kind of, but I think I could find a lot of counter-examples if I tried - Yarvin's descriptions seem to be robust enough to probably be able to explain them under his system, (I haven't read his volumes of blogs but I'm sure he's done just that in them) but there's nothing about his view that compels me to think it's THE solution, as he advertises, so much as "Hey, that's a fun way to look at things."

>>13902369
It's not that they don't care about "injustices towards minorities", rather, they care first and foremost about what the existence of said injustice says about them and their role in the morality play we all live in. In said play, non-whites are not moral agents, they are stage props acted upon by Whiteness that reveal something about the character of the White protagonist, a mirror said protagonist looks into and sees themselves reflected. If anything bad happens to a minority it can only be the fault of uneducated, inferior whites acting upon them, who clearly didn't listen to their betters in school and should probably be exiled from the Congregation.

But they really do care, because this morality play is of profound importance to them.

>>13902381
See pic. I think SJW's genuinely have love lobe stimulation for themselves and 'marginalized folks'.

Just about everyone other than white men, as a whole.

>>13901833
How has he committed to action?
From his resignation letter:
>What will I do personally? I'll spend more time with my kids. I'll finish reading my 1911 Britannica – I am only on the B's. I have no other long-term plans.

>>13902380
>These days I'm most active on Catholic Twitter

That seems like a ridiculous, even potentially idiotic, leap.
What draws you to Catholicism?

What do you have to say of NRx as a whole? Do you still believe in it, if not why not? Why did it stop?

What was your pen name

>>13902473
I actually have a negative view of this. Every government goes to shit eventually, and this sort of thing would lead to backlash against the Church as it did in e.g. the French Revolution. Governments come and go, but a change of government is less bad than losing your religion. Ironically in the US separation of Church and State has led to a more religious polity (it's just that the underlying religion, which is basically variants of Evangelical Christianity, across the whole political spectrum, is dumb).

>>13900803
Moldbug's views rehashed again. A decent read. More of centralized authoritarianism vs decentralized - reminds me a bit of Chomsky and Zizek.

>>13902500
>What draws you to Catholicism?

Well, I believe it's true, for starters. I'm pretty devout. I've had several mystical experiences which have only reaffirmed my faith. Beyond that, I consider Catholicism has having the sturdiest illiberal tradition of all those that are out there. The Church existed before Liberalism and has been one of its most consistent critics. Everyone who considers themselves illiberal should, at least, read Pius IX.

>What do you have to say of NRx as a whole? Do you still believe in it, if not why not? Why did it stop?

I definitely still support NRx, although at the same time I disagree with Moldbug and some of the typical NRx idea-havers. In particular, I have become interested in reviving monarchy and aristocracy as viable forms of government. This is also a handy thing about being Catholic--the Church can create new nobility as it chooses, because it possesses the power to crown rulers.

I think this because I do agree with Moldbug that concentration of wealth and power is inevitable. I have largely become a reactionary because of my realization that the last 200+ years of revolutions and social upheaval have only led us right back to where we started: with a small upper class wielding most of the world's wealth and power. De facto aristocracies are inevitable. I think that, in light of this, we should support the creation of de jure aristocracies--that is, aristocracies coded into law, and which must work within the defined limits of the law. Right now we have unofficial aristocracies, and because they are unofficial, they are unstable and dangerous.

>What was your pen name

Not going to say.

>>13902473
Yarvin argues that, if there is no separation of Church and State, then the state effectively rules and it is a theocracy
(source: The Red Pill)

I'd agree that it isn't so simple.

>>13902475
At 1 of 5, I don't think he's even gotten to the core yet. Just a primer.

I'm in the midst of reading is other works, still at the beginning, and he hasn't gotten to the core.

I'm not sure Yarvin is even the core I'm looking for. Maybe it's Land, and Yarvin this the primer.

I have no clue. There is so much content.

>>13902552
>Not going to say.
You are a faceless, formless entity, identifiable only from a few posts. What is your reason for not wanting to say? You'd just be 'a writer's few posts' and get some more people reading your writing.

>>13902590
How do I get into the NRx community? Do I need to get into the twitter sphere? Which accounts?

>>13903097
just post on their blogs' comment sections and if you say interesting things theyll talk to you

>>13902552
>support the creation of de jure aristocracies--that is, aristocracies coded into law, and which must work within the defined limits of the law. Right now we have unofficial aristocracies, and because they are unofficial, they are unstable and dangerous.

an aristocratic republic shall i say?

http://www.nobility.org/2012/11/15/aristocratic-republic-1788-1828/

https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/2709527.pdf?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

>>13900803

>>13903097
No clue. Do you want to get in touch?
I'm @authoritarian on telegram

>>13903102
Give a list of blogs?

>>13903430
It amuses me that Moldbug has probably inadvertently caused a lot of people to become antisemitic. He convinced them that they were being lied to by their societies and they couldn't trust the conventional authorities on things like racism and democracy, from there it's not much further to start questioning the JQ.

>>13903430
Kind of gross, but what can you do

In all possible earnestness though, Moldbug was a huge influence on me when I was in high school, and he definitely molded my personality before I made it past a housewife’s pragmatism.

>>13903532
Intellectually speaking, where are you at now?

Have you made it outside of NR adjacent fields? What do you think of accelerationism?
At this point I'm still unlcear on the difference.
Just getting in and there is so so so much content. Moldbug is the first stop.

>>13902380
what are your thoughts on vermeule?

>>13900803
This was the first thing I've read by him and it seemed kinda redundant?

What exactly was he trying to say in this essay?

>>13903650
I read the entire thing, I’m pretty sure he was just talking about the basis of class and how it compares to modern western democracy. He refers to the elites as ‘gentry’ the middle class as ‘commoners’ and the underclass as ‘clients.’

Does anyone have links to The New Centre for Research & Practice's unlisted YT talks?

>>13900803
Did he come out of the closet yet?

>>13902526
>Every government goes to shit eventually, and this sort of thing would lead to backlash against the Church as it did in e.g. the French Revolution.
This is actually really insightful and has rocked my current political worldview

Guys did you realize that Nick Land is 57? I always imagined him to be 30 something years old but he's the same age as my fucking dad

so i'm reading the letter to open minded progressives and how can Moldbug argue that:
'but little trace of [Reagan/Thatcher's] efforts (at least in domestic politics) is visible today' when the economic transformation they lead has yet to be overturned? Particularly with Thatcher, who explicitly stated she considered Tony Blair (surely the most Cathedral politician in living memory) her greatest achievement.
Is he wrong, lying, or just not that interested in economic policy? It's hard not to get the feeling it's just wishful thinking about the nature of those he opposes.

>>13905209
He was publishing stuff in the early 90s m8 of course he's a boomer, that's 30 years ago

>>13905697
>Right winger trying to convince others that he´s repressed by powers that be
of course he´s gonna ingore economics

>>13904263
he mentions in the article that he's got kids

>>13905209
That's because you see him as his meme pictures from when he was 30.
Land is unironically a boomer and I'm surprised I haven't yet seen a monster can/land synthesis.

>>13900817
>he took the childish pill

>>13903612
Very fascinating. I think he's a bit too overzealous at times, though. He's got the hyperzeal for the Faith that characterizes all new converts; this zeal is very good, but sometimes you need to channel it more effectively than some converts do.

>>13901985
no he didn't you fucking retard

>>13906228
That doesn't mean shit

>>13907545
Who did?

>>13907637
A couple of future trannies

>>13905150
Not sure if you're baiting me or not but I'm glad I guess? What's your worldview right now?

>>13907647
I would guess that that anon knows of The Matrix and was pointing out that Moldbug was the first to take the pill metaphor and apply it to politics, though I don't know whether that's actually true.

>>13905697
I think apologia for reagan or thatcher is kind of dumb honestly. Reaganomics is the economic equivalent of promoting gay sex.

>>13906303
Nick Land looks much worse today. He's almost completely bald and has those huge glasses and has a high-pitched squeaky voice.

>>13907647
They prefer the term transgendered women. Tranny is a transphobic slur, chud.

>>13907908
The Wachowski troons and two of the most genuinely disgusting trannies I've seen.

Imagine the massive amount of mental illness that led them to it

I'm a fan of how he put a word to contrapositive reasoning. I felt like I instantly understood him as I read that.
I feel like his revisitation of the 3-class political dynamics was clearer this time. Last time he defined 5 and sorted them apart, 3 vs 2. This model is a bit more consise.
I feel like there was a new idea slotted in there too, about first world countries having larger commoner classes. This explains in part the rise of democracy today. Prosperous countries need decentralized systems to more efficiently control larger suburbs and prevent them from replacing their civil government with the political.
I'm super excited to see Yarvin back at it with the essays even though this is mostly trodden territory. In some ways I feel like he's trying to reassert himself and catch up with his popularity, to remind the NRx crowd where he really stands and what the important takeaways of his works are (aka how to be a non-Fascist reactionary)

>>13909394
>commoner classes
So, middle class?

>>13902373
At what? Math?

>>13900803
Fuck off, Moldbug.

Moldbug is Q-Anon for nerds.

>>13900817
Some cliched elements must be forgiven when writing to appeal to the widest possible audience. Esotericism isn't going to attract a surface-level reader. Unfortunate, but that's reality.

>>13902373
Verify it for us then.

>>13900803
Who the fuck reads this faggot's shit

Not even /pol/ reads this cringe shit

Do the Reddit tourists like him or something?

>>13909394
You sound like a complete fucking idiot.

>>13908141
>tfw no mommy dommy to inject ketamine into your dick to make you her sissy fuccboi slave

ngl hurts

>>13910225
Simply epic

>>13909394
>. In some ways I feel like he's trying to reassert himself and catch up with his popularity, to remind the NRx crowd where he really stands and what the important takeaways of his works are (aka how to be a non-Fascist reactionary)

Nevermind. Misread that as "neofasvist reactionary"

>>13910225
>Moldbug is Q-Anon for nerds.

Who is the cathedral?
Polygon cathedral has five aspects.
Who is the Sith Lord of the dark enlightenment?
Think Thiel.
Think Soros as puritan.
Who is to say insane people are really insane?
Take the red pill. Pull back the curtain and see the man behind the mirror. I won't stop you.
MM

The thing that got me about Moldbug was that he said several times that what he was doing would never draw the attention of prog activism.

Yet it did draw attention to him.

Kinda hilarious how overconfident he was about his enemies. That sort of thing doesn't give me much confidence in his political vision. He's like an unaware nerd wandering down the hallway about to be stuffed in a locker.

>>13911543
>Kinda hilarious how overconfident he was about his enemies

it was more because at that time he wasn´t a public figure, it was because of trump that he got some sort of relevance

>>13911460
>Who is the cathedral?
>Polygon cathedral has five aspects.
>Who is the Sith Lord of the dark enlightenment?
>Think Thiel.
>Think Soros as puritan.
>Who is to say insane people are really insane?
>Take the red pill. Pull back the curtain and see the man behind the mirror. I won't stop you.
>MM
KEK

>>13911568
>it was more because at that time he wasn´t a public figure
m8, he literally says in several of his posts (think it is rules for reactionaries series) that what he was doing would be ignored by the "cathedral" and called for a similar normative reactionary program to be taken up by others. Yet it wasn't ignored, and still continues on (several of the social matter guys still have the media going after them in the last month). That's a pretty big fuck up in terms of predicting the behavior of his enemies. To make it more explicit for the non-introspective NRx cult member nerds: it means there is a bug somewhere in his engineered political analysis in terms of his enemies.

Also, your timeline is all wrong. The baffler and tech crunch articles, which played a major role in turning the spotlight on him, were years before Trump, and so was the time Moldbug was kicked out of a tech conference.

>>13910395
How does he sound like an idiot?

Contrapositive reasoning, while I love the sound of the term, is common sense.

Other than that, I don't get what your problem is

>>13911676
Moldbug has the exact same problem that Nietzsche did: he writes about political strength, reactionary thought, and other things that suggest masculinity and vigor, but he himself is a scrawny nerd. If social media and modern leftist culture had been around in the 19th Century Nietzsche would have been hunted down and made a fool of just like Moldbug has been. He lacks the charm and charisma and vigor to withstand a coordinated attack in the court of public relations.

>>13911676
The public at large and the Cathedral don't actually give a shit about Moldbug. some 110IQ Neonazi talking about Jews and white genocide scares them way, way more than Moldbug or anyone in NRx.

You can't create a mass fascist movement with nrx, but you can easily create one by talking about jews and demographic replacement/affirmative action and that sort of thing.

>>13911543
Thinks took an unpredictable turn insofar as how militant SJW's became. It's extremely hard to predict the future with great accuracy.

Overall though, most people don't know his name. His witch hunts were non-starters.

Also, alt-right NRx / accelerationism is vastly, vastly overblown. Like everything else
Rolling stone has since changed their headline and the pic for the article.
See: https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/bowl-cut-white-supremacist-symbol-890888/

>>13900803
it's hard for me to take anyone seriously who thinks that modern bourgeois alienation from the state is the default setting for most governments in history. is it that hard to believe that people actually followed kings because they wanted to? only an internet libertarian would be so naive as to think that everyone has to be tricked or coerced into supporting a given state. you catch more flies with honey

>>13911460
Great

>>13913433
He's also an atheist, and a pretty extreme, fedora-tipping one at that, so he seems to completely miss how powerful the religious component of pre-Modern states was, and what a strong motivation that gave the citizenry to remain loyal to their rulers.

>>13913262
Aforementioned complete idiot here. To me, putting the correct term to his thought process was very useful. Often otherwise obvious connections need to be made explicit, as it's easier for a reader to overlook them even if they on some level know them.
I've performed plenty of contrapositive proofs and know that's what the structure of his reasoning is, but there is great power in labeling things basically. Just a minor compliment
>>13913433
Well it's a good thing then that's the opposite of what he says in the article.
>The Romans were right about “divide and conquer.” The natural conflict pits commoners against gentry plus clients. These two sides hold incompatible theories of government. Commoners see it as a service association, like a nation-sized HOA, for the good of its shared owners. Gentry see it as a spiritual phenomenon, a force for good and a source of purpose. Clients are what Indian political scientists call a “votebank”; they always follow the gentry. Since the civic core is staffed by the gentry, this alliance becomes its defensive front within the political core. Or the civic alliance can even play offense—all the better.
The relationship he describes between client and gentry is anything but alienation. It's not that people didn't actually want to follow their kings, it's just that according to Moldbug they wanted to follow them because of illusionary political stagecraft and a need to combat the townie populist political core

>>13913433
>>13913433
There’s a lot of fuckery going around (easy to see why it happens and hard to avoid doing it myself, since I’m a brainlet) projecting modern political dynamics onto the olden times. Like people thinking of Ancient Greece as a contemporary-style democracy with its capital in Athens, a professional military, etc.
I mean, how old is the “State” as we understand it? Not rhetorical, I wanna know.

>>13913913
The State as we now understand it basically starts with Hobbes and Rousseau, right?

>>13913922
Yeah, I think it started in their noggins. But were the first States the enlightened despotisms they inspired? But those aren’t really nation-states as we understand them (how’d Brittany feel about King Louie during the 18th century? Doubt they’d see themselves as French). So did it come in after 1848? And if so, our political criteria are sub-optimal in interpreting the vast majority of history, and that’s just Europe. Really confuses me.

>>13913783
Are you a mathematician or have you simply taken a Discreet class

>>13913783
Man, you gotta love all of those sweeping psychological evaluations he make that completely ignore all of 19th-20th century progressive bourgeois colonialism (the only ideology that managed to forge together proles and property owners together in a common interest, at least in Europe).

>>13914097
I bet he took a discrete class discreetly

>>13900803
>Jew
>irrelevantly brings up Hitler
Dropped. Have fun with Rosh HaShana, kike.

>>13914205
>not being z/acc

>>13914250
Retvrn to tradition

>>13914097
yeah I've snuck into a few low key off the books lectures pretty stealthily on occasion
In all seriousness I wouldn't call myself a mathematician, I've not graduated yet
>>13914179
Maybe different classes of people with different theories of government can unite over colonizing new land? I dont see how that contradicts his theory

>>13901200

>>13900803
Meh.

>>13914573
so is this real

>>13914678
Yes. Why do you think this is so taboo? Have you ever seen a movie about 1917 revolutions and who were behind it or even the Holodomor?
Of course not. Who do you think owns the movie industry in the West? Compare it to how many productions of ebil nazees there are in the world.

>>13914678
>>13914729

Here's another great and long essay that documents how they shape grand historical narratives. https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-understanding-world-war-ii/

>>13914573
>>13914678
>>13914729
>>13914978
>multiple threads about a fairly robust discussion about this or that problem in society
>someone brings up Jewish involvement
>thread quickly gets derailed into arguments about conspiracy theories, Zionism, and the Frankfurt School

If you were a real, REAL conspiracy theorist, you'd almost have to believe that Jews THEMSELVES are the ones bringing up Jewish influence in this or that subject or industry, because they would know that once the matter is raised the thread gets hopelessly off-topic and no other productive discussion can be had.

>>13900803
its some rehashed entry level stuff for normies
that considered - it does its job fairly well but its not for the seasoned /lit/Rx

no where near high-brow or gamer enough
but hey, it serves its purpose fairly well

>>13900817
Take a chillpill xD

>>13903507
this
even though he dodges the JQ quite eloquently he makes people look in all the right directions
>(((who))) operates the (((Cathedral)))
>(((who))) is responsible for progressive anti-nomianism
>which (((lobbies))) force the US to operate in informal manners

he certainly did it for me lmao

>>13905794
he kinda has to if he's gonna get published by a Claremont Institute outlet
>>13907896
hes probably been through a CCP re-education camp lmao
>>13909394
>>13905697
>>13905794
>>13907754
C.A. Bond, Adam Katz et al have actually taken and ran with Moldbug's best ideas, ditching his proclivity towards Austrian Econ
Moldbug was definitely solid on just about everything except for the JQ and Econ really

other than those two, Carlyle patches up just about everything else

>>13914573
oh fug i forgot about that lmao he does name them
albiet briefly

>>13915003
kek

>>13903563
I’m a devout accelerationist. I’m pretty sure I made it out of NR fields, but I’m having trouble putting the demons down fully.

>>13900907
Yes and?

>Moldbug
>Goldberg
what a (((coincidence)))

>>13913290
Nietzsche had social grace though, he wasn't some autistic engineer

>>13913766
The age of religion is over and never coming back. He realizes this.

>>13913766
Delusional personae. Hobbes barely even worked with religion, and that was some time ago.

>>13902552
data xtian is that u ??

>>13902373
lol

>>13917102
Damn, this is the successor to the King of Israel we deserve.

G-d Bless Trump Airlines!

First Moldbug I've read after seeing it meme forever. Felt like this:
>>13913433
And also not in love with his bizarre categorical reasoning. Maybe he has developed these ideas more previously but the whole thing was too sweeping to really convince me of anything. Sounded like a Marxist-tinged rehash of James Burnham's ideas, with the familiar PoMo nervousness abut power. Don't much care to read his other essays in the series so take my opinion for what it is.

>>13915536
What do you think about Moldbug's assertion that prominent American Jews have been subsumed into a sort of cultural Protestantism? As in, rather than the US becoming more Jewish, Jews become more culturally white/European/Christian over time

>>13918465
The only sensible conclusion there imo is that modern progressivism is the result of both Jews and 'secular protestants'. They were both agents in its creation and impacted its structure and values.

I don't think the progressives would be quite as anti-white or pro-immigration as they are without the Jewish influence, but it also doesn't make any sense to call the entire thing Jewish when it emerged centuries ago and was mostly promoted by white Protestants.

>>13918482
I don't really see how that's the "only sensible conclusion" at all
modern progressivism is the product of a whole host of things culminating in a widespread multifaceted phenomenon
I feel that it is both shortsighted and a bit cruel to pin it so squarely on Jews and everything Jewish.

This CCRU niggas spend more time inside this hell of website than myself.

>>13918719
>to pin it so squarely on Jews and everything Jewish.
I said they were one of the two main influences. Looking at the number of Jews involved in it that is a fair thing to say.

OP is a faggot and a shill.
Moldbug is a delusional techbro and a kike.
That is what we think.

>>13900803
>What do we think?
i think im finna bout do the same as i did 5 years ago and not read past the first paragraph

>I don’t want to believe the CIA did 9/11. I try to build a reality in which it did. I fail spectacularly. I go back to believing it was an al-Qaeda conspiracy. I don’t want to believe OJ is guilty. I assume he’s innocent, then look for the real killers. But I can’t even imagine them.
He's not doing himself a favor in this paragraph since the first example follows an inverted logic than the second.
It's hard to read in an unnecessary way if you really want to think it through with him.

>>13918743
>>13918750
>>13918795
Shills

>>13918818
nrx died like 4 years ago bro

>>13918829
>implying NRx was ever relevant
NRx is a bunch of techbro nerds that will never accomplishing anything relevant or significant other than annoying some Google workers.
People like Vox Day (Teddy Spaghetti), Roko and Moldbug are huge losers.
Even lesser losers like Nick Land are starting to disavow them.

>>13918829
>wake up from coma
>boy, I cant wait to catch up on my favorite reactionary blogosphere from 2014
>nrx is kil
>no

>>13918818
shills for what

>>13918839
nrx was not supposed to be relevant, they all said that it had died as soon as it started to be picked up by more people and co-opted into the altright. Anything that can become relevant is necessarily idiotic

>>13918842
Based and Lindy post

>>13918858
>i- it's meant to be stupid

>>13918922
Feel free to argue with any of the ideas related to it. Saying 'it's not relevant' doesn't address anything.

>>13918839
What does Vox Day, who talks about dark vs light magical forces and sounds like Alex Jones, have to do with moldbug?

>>13915802
This is blatantly, patently untrue. Atheists as a percentage of the global population is going down, not up.

>>13918922
It's not that it's meant to be stupid, it's that there was never any expectation of these ideas to be popular or relevant, because by their nature they cannot be. The ideas may be stupid, but you'd have to take that up with the ideas themselves, instead of posting sophistry on an image board.

>>13910650
She injected horse tranquilizer into his...dick? How does this make you a tranny?

>>13918962
shame

Bump

>>13900803
it's good

>>13920733
Shill

>>13918465
it sounds very similar to E Michael Jone's theory but instead Jones posits something closer to the idea that what Moldbug would call Protestant is more spiritually Jewish
There is a high degree of interchangeability here

Honestly, I think Moldbug's Puritan theories are kind of dumb. Actual Puritans would be disgusted by the things alleged neo-Puritans believe. It's much simpler to attribute modern Progressivism to the imperatives of a global-imperial power, for example, wokeness as a means to integrate elites from the periphery into the high-low coalition, human rights as justification for imperialism, de-colonization as pre-emptive action against the USSR, anti-family policies as a means of removing subsidiary power centers between the State and the individual, and so on. The policies themselves are just done in a recognizably Massachusetts liberal brahmin way, or were until California started running the show.

>>13920819
It's not that Puritans woumd support it but he is drawing a parallel between the cult like mentality of the two.

>>13920825
I would say it's a mix of a cultlike mentality and a messianic tendency, The same people acted the same way towards the eugenics movement in the pre-WW2 era, for example.

>>13920834
>a messianic tendency

Which can honestly be ascribed to Abrahmic religion, the idea of capital-H History as arrow not wheel, tending to some ultimate goal. It might originate in Judaism with Tikkun Olam, and be ineptly aped by Musselmen despite some Mahdist tendencies, but it's true flowering was in Christianity. It's fruit was poison.

>>13919018
Perhaps, but it's still happening.
Between fedoras not reproducing and China rediscovering their own traditions while being christianized, it's not the current direction. Even in the west the trend is only going because of boomers starting to die but is by no means guaranteed to carry on after that. And I'm not even talking abiut Islam.

Bump

need a socdem nrx synthesis desu

>>13901698
No

>>13901141
Always nice to see another anon familiar with Jim.

>>13901778
https://blog.jim.com/
https://aidanmaclear.wordpress.com/

>>13921623
kek

>>13917102
What the actual fuck is the story behind this?

>>13902373
no, he's not
and his "decentralized" project is the typical ETH scam

>>13917102
when the jacket wears you

>>13921193
Nah, you only really see it in the US and Russia imo, because they were both perceived as backward/inferior powers by the other Western countries, and still are.

>>13922233
>the typical ETH scam
>started before Ethereum existed

>mfw post2016 /lit/

>>13923539
more like post 2016 internet. everything from now on is surveilled adverts

>>13923745
More like post-2010 everything.

>>13900907
JeffCorp is a good name

>>13917102
He doesn't look good but he doesn't look comically bad compared to any other American

>>13917102
I don't get what's wrong with this image. The leather jacket and pose are a bit much but he looks okay.

>>13900817
This. I see "___pill" the same way I see "woke." Claiming your delusional rant is redpilled or woke doesn't make the rant any less delusional.

I'm vaguely familiar with Moldbug and NRx, but I've never read any oh his actual blog posts. If it's any defense of this article, it does a good job outlining a basic line of questioning. He's obviously very concerned with elucidating the function, form and flow of political power.

I'm not going to bother quoting people because old thread, BUT, take these two hot takes

>The Modern Puritans are not only the biological and intellectual descendants of the old Puritans, but more importantly continue their train of thought. Each generation is slightly more Pure, such that after a certain number the relationship is invisible. Trace by steps, not leaps.

>American Protestants in particular but indeed all Protestants turn to Judaism for guidance for the exact same reason Neo-Nazis want to bring back Paganism: a return to source.

>>13925069
Their Bible tells them to support Israel and give it arms.

>>13907908
Chud is a cannibalphobe slur, racist.

>>13902494
Very apt analysis.

How the fuck does he expect me to take this seriously

>>13925689
>t. client

>>13918842
lmao

>>13925689
Basically plebs and patricians but with 21st century names.

>>13925914
Well sorta, but no, that's a two category model not a three

>>13915510
>Pacifica

>>13925689
Changing familiar labels to critically examine our emotional attachments to various things and also to filter the pleb

>>13900817
You don't.

>>13925928
>>13925914
It's a mental contortion meant to allow moldbug to play the rebel while remaining authoritarian. The entire section applies so poorly to any political reality that it's comical

>>13926223
Not even close mate

>>13925083
Modern day "Israel" is actually Judah, and the Christians are the legitimate heir of Israel and the living pact; the New Testament. The Old Testament is dead legalism.
It should be telling that a nation of 70%+ atheists practices circumcision.

>>13925083
>their bible
good of you to specify which Bible becuse it was explicitly the Scofield Bible that implicates this and no other

>>13926166
checked
wb that meme city, anon?

>>13923525
no, that's the point
>started before ETH existed
>then, somehow becomes a premined blockchain project
yes, it is the typical ETH scam, if you don't know what "premined" means, then you don't belong in the space

>>13925689
he watered down his ideas to appeal a wider audience, that´s what happened