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Jesus was born 30 years ago. He's that schizophrenic guy you walked past today who was mumbling about the end of days and masturbating violently. That's Jesus.

>>13818365
>why would religion make sense?
because then it wouldn't be religion.

Because he is a fiction character

I like the Jesus that goes after the wealthy and the Pharisees who are more concerned about their own social status and power than they are about the welfare of the people, doing holiness and righteousness, or even the freedom of Israel.

Not big on the Jesus who was like "I'm gonna return within the lifetimes of the apostles" and then doesn't return so then the early Christians have to be all like "well actually by him he meant the Holy Spirit"

>>13818365
>Why wouldn't He incarnate and be born 30 years ago, and now be livestreaming all His preaching and miracles and uploading to all major social media platforms, that the people may see and believe?
If he did the media would simply ignore it or make fake news about it. Social media would ban all accounts sharing his teachings and miracles. Chances are you'd never hear, because he doesn't fit their narrative.

He'd get memory holed faster than a black-tranny mass shooter.

>>13818544
if he didn't incarnate 2000 years ago everyone would be dead by now, or gay or full idiocracy retarded. There'd be no receptivity to his message.

Just look how stupid we've become in the last 50 years since materialism/atheism/consumerism and liberal values have taken hold of people's minds and turned them into coombrains

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>>13818365
because the jews temple got btfo and they still don't have one to this very day, so in reality he left it quite late

>>13818365
Anyone can believe in what they see with their eyes. It takes strength of character to reason out the world and believe even without seeing.

>>13818365
A better question is why didnt he come right after the fall? Wouldn't 4000 years of people want to know they are in danger of hellfire and find salvation from that fate?

>>13818365
If Jesus comes as a homeless man and asks a group of people for money, and they reject him, that's what's known in scientific circles as a "control" group. They didn't know it was Jesus, but their behavior reflects what they would've done to people in need.

Now, if this homeless man (Jesus) pulls out a gun and says "worship me now or you will burn!" then people are compelled to do what he asks, and it would not be a legitimate action.

If instead of a gun, he pulls off some amazing miracle and compels you to believe that way, it's no more of a compulsory force, by making his actions clear-cut and direct, requiring no goodness of you, no critical thinking, no humility, no suspension of disbelief, etc. You would be passively doing what you're told, not making the effort to love.

>>13818816
Why does a good writer allow his characters to go through any danger at all?

1. A story where there are no problems is a boring story where nothing happens.

2. There is no character development if the character never goes through anything. Can you be said to be alive if you've never, ever suffered? If from birth, everything was instantly available and you never had even the slightest discomfort, you wouldn't really be a "person" you would be some weird robot. To be a human is to suffer and to learn to deal with others, with their suffering, and with problem-solving.

>>13818365
>that the people may see and believe
read the New Testament again. you weren't paying attention.

>>13818801
>>13818855
>Evidence of something happening
>People should see this, so they can have empirical evidence and believe in Jesus!

>No evidence of something happening
>True strength comes from believing in it based solely on rationalism, and having no empirical evidence

Really makes you think.

>>13818365
He was invented by the Roman Empire to quell Jewish uprisings.

>>13818484
Plenty of false messaihs were murdered through the cross tho. I think you miss the point of scare tacticxs.

>>13818957
>empirical evidence
shroud of turin

>>13818957
OP obviously hasn't thought this all the way through. Jesus DID come. 2000 years ago. People saw him then. They witnessed and could not deny what they saw. Many of them went to their deaths rather than deny it. Asking "why didn't Jesus come for my generation" is stupid. He did already. Should he pop in every 25 years just to prove to faithless retards that he exists, or can OP read a couple of fucking books and study and actually discern evidence of God for himself.

>>13818979
>>13818957

some of you guys might like this book

>>13819188
>le just believe bro meme continental theist man
Sorry, but I've got to brush up on my modal logic for a few upcoming classes. No time to much around with "feelz > realz" """"""""""""""""philosophers"""""""""""""

>>13818365
Imagine if Jesus were born in some Latin American shithole and executed by some corporate-funded Right-Wing Death Squad for not worshiping the wealthy.

>>13819230
Very cool. Let me know when you give up trying to find Truth in propositions and abstracted reason and realize it’s found in subjectivity and cannot be separated from existing.

>>13818816
>4000 years of retroactively BTFOing christcucks
Was Jesus secretly based?

>>13819230
existentialism, not even once.

>>13818846
>Hurr durr real feeling persons are just characters

Why would he?

>>13818816
Read the Problem of Pain by C.S. Lewis

>>13818365
Because you would still just call him a faggot.

>>13818484
>Not big on the Jesus who was like "I'm gonna return within the lifetimes of the apostles" and then doesn't return so then the early Christians have to be all like "well actually by him he meant the Holy Spirit"
He was talking about the destruction of the temple. Litteraly the next verse he says that He doesn't know when He'll be back, only the Father.

>>13820856

Argument from authority. Next

>thinking historically
>thinking temporally

>>13818373
No, He was our savior.

myths are not real

>>13821737
That's a myth.

>>13818365
Social media is the antithesis of what is holy.

The Flynn effect is the result of humans abandoning their nature. Sincere personifications and deifications, as well as intense paranoias and euphorias are our nature. None of you who take science seriously could understand the divine, and none of you have seen the glaring flaw in science.

>>13821879
>decries science using scientific observations
Anyway, nice hypothesis you have there. Any ideas on how to turn that into an experiment that could potentially falsify it?

>>13821885
What are you even saying? Any farmer or countryman would laugh at the lack of meaning in your words.

>>13819326
Yes.

Compared to God, we are all imaginary.

>>13821208
All theology is just argument from authority, except the authority in question is literally purported to know everything. It's the total
absence of conversation.

An evil and adulterous generation seeks a sign.
They will get no sign except the sign of jonah.

Because he already said everything he had to, and his death symbolizes something greater. Why would he come back as a mortal and just repeat everything again? It would cheapen the message, especially in today's climate.