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What's one of the biggest "elephants in the room" that no one talks about regarding modern philosophy and literature, or hell, all of academia. A problem or issue that people just collectively ignore or try to work around, but really dont succeed.
For example: Adorno said that Spengler was forgotten by his contemporaries only because they couldnt deal with him, and that Spengler took his revenge by being right. Or another example: In mathematics, Gödel's incompleteness theorem decimated morale when it came out, and still hangs over every major mathematical problem like an Austrian autistic blade of Damocles.

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>>13745086
Pic related.

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>>13745113
Thank you for this elephant in the room now leave

>> No.13745309

Pls /lit/ share some more examples

>> No.13745311

>>13745113
I wonder what these people look like, and more importantly the state of their teeth

>> No.13745317

>>13745086
Stirner

>> No.13745335

>>13745113
Girl shit is not different than man shit. What a disgusting subhuman,

>> No.13745359

>>13745317
How so

>> No.13745395

>>13745359
He was very influential in his time, influenced Nietzsche and the postmodernists, destroyed humanism and liberalism, etc. yet he is not remembered.

>> No.13745401

>tfw even dudes that eat girl shit can manage to hold conversations with cute girls working at fast food restaurants but you don't

>> No.13745493

>>13745395
He's mostly remembered through Marx, but i dont see Stirner really addressing any devastating issues that philosophy cant deal with.

>> No.13745839

>>13745086
Elephants in the room:

> Extreme sexual fetishes
> What to do with pedos
> What to do with the mentally ill in general
> Nations made up of anti-nationalists
> Boys in relationships with much older women
> Self destruction

>> No.13745911

>>13745839
> Nations made up of anti-nationalists
Thats just gonna lead to collapse, pretty obvious.
> Boys in relationships with much older women
hmmm

>> No.13746018

>>13745839
No problem at all. Evolution and it's pressures will clean them off the surface of the earth. It wont be nice till it will happen and it will cyclicaly come back, but such is life.

Read Biohistor by Penman.

>> No.13746082

>>13746018
Sounds interesting but i have a feeling im falling for a scam. Sell me on it.

>> No.13746100

>>13746082
You can read Penman for free online. Anti-Natalists and other non-reproductive creatures will cease the reproductive battle sooner than later by necessity. The optimaly reproductive ones, aka the normal ones, will prevail. Disfunction can only presist for a short decadent time.

>> No.13746115

>>13745086
>What's one of the biggest "elephants in the room" that no one talks about regarding modern philosophy and literature, or hell, all of academia.
The hatred of dualism is rooted in knee-jerk reactions rather than true insight. Many philosophers say "dualism" like it's a kind of sin without ever inspecting why.

>> No.13746128

>>13746115
What kind of dualism in particular? Mind-Body?

>> No.13746284

>>13745086
the blank slate is fucking retarded cope and three generations of academia which has pretended otherwise needs to be thrown in the garbage

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The arts have spent the better part of 70 years, at least, ignoring the very basic fact that harmony is pleasing and lack of harmony is not. This is everywhere, from free verse in modern poetry to atonality in modern music.

It all fucking sucks. Over and over again, we humans are shown to really enjoy rhythm, rhyme, and regularity, and to not particularly enjoy the lack of these things. But the idiot universities and grant organizations continue to foist lack of harmony upon us in nearly all the arts, and then they wonder why nobody actually enjoys most recent works of music, literature, and visual art.

>> No.13746321

>>13746115
quality post, brother

>> No.13746329

>>13745086
People who don't use question marks while asking questions.

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>> No.13746356

>>13745086
The entire fucking world is an "elephant in the room" to these people.

>> No.13746382

>>13745113
BASED

>> No.13746390

>>13746308
The reason people don’t enjoy modern music, film, and music is because the vast majority of it is reproducible generic garbage. When people decry modern art they aren’t talking about avant-garde media because they don’t even consume it, let alone know it exists

>> No.13746485

>>13746308
what are some good rhythmic rhyming poetry you would recommend?

>> No.13746533

>>13746485
Almost anything written before 1930. Even some of the free verse from the 20th Century has a pleasing, harmonic quality; Wallace Stevens' free verse is like this. Just pick any great pre-20th Century poet and you'll be in good shape.

It's really only after about 1945 that things start to go to shit.

>> No.13746603

>>13746308
Good post. Made a few effort posts on here over the years on similar lines. It's been integral for millenia, and now we discard it? Suspect it will be looked back on like that period in the 18th century when they kept trying to 'correct' Shakespeare

>> No.13746615

>>13746603
>>13746308
Adherence to form in art? Those sound like rules. Do you know who had rules governing art? The Nazis! You aren't a Nazi are you?
>t. typical Anglo-American Progressive

>> No.13746631

>>13745086
Nabokov being an obvious pedophile

>> No.13746638

>>13746615
I don't even know if that's the reason. I'm more of a blame late capitalist self centred laziness guy
>what, you mean I have to learn form/practice scales/develop technique first? I want to express myself fully right now without making an effort and have it praised

>> No.13746869

>>13746631
Thats not so big of a deal desu

>> No.13746976

>>13746638
I don't think that's really a good explanation. See Liszt's insane popularity for just one example. Other great composers were also pretty popular in their day. I'd like to think patronage would be a better model for art, but we just have intelligence agency patronage instead of royal patronage.

>> No.13746986

>>13746869
For normies it would be, they don’t read DFW because he threw a table at his gf.

>> No.13747051

>>13745086
Religion: a philosophy based on faith.
Faith: belief without empirical evidence.

>> No.13747054

The trade off between sexual activity and intellect.

>> No.13747089

>What's one of the biggest "elephants in the room" that no one talks about regarding modern philosophy and literature, or hell, all of academia.

The philosophical implications of Mein Kampf

>> No.13747091

>>13747089
Which are

>> No.13747111

>>13745086
People are often just too dumb, lazy, and uninterested to offer anything new to the field and collectively hinder others who are passionate. Same issue in all of the humanities.

>> No.13747236

>>13746603
I honestly feel like we could burn every piece of art that was created the last century, and murder every artist today, and not lose a single thing of value, outside of music.

>> No.13747285

>>13746976
You misunderstand, I don't mean audiences are lazy, I mean artists are lazy. It takes enormous effort and dedication to produce a Liszt, late capitalism has rendered such effort moot for both artist and audience

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>>13747285
>late capitalism

>> No.13747803

>>13746356
>these people
who

>> No.13747819

>>13746284
>im ugly/insane so decentric heritability is false
Do you see?

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>>13747819
>Decentric heritability

>> No.13748414

>>13746308
I think this only really applies to Western philosophy, leading into the single largest elephant in the room
>Plato was wrong

Turns out we're not meat mechas being piloted by ghosts. More to the point, we just as much are phenomena as we study it. This anon touches on it >>13746284. There's an empirical reality (even if we can't actually get a perfect description of it), and we are very much influenced by it. To put it another way, whether we like it or not we're part of nature, not separate from it (I do not mean this in the sense of ecology).

>> No.13748450

>>13745086
So far as historiography goes, the origin of fascism as a syndicalist heterodoxy.

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>>13746115
There have been many people inspecting why. In fact they're too many people going on about it. Have you even read any 20th century philosophy?