/lit/ - Literature

>>13726919
When it was Trump vs Hillary my friend insisted Hillary would win because Trump was too funny to be real but I said "They'll never elect a woman as president, men don't respect them and women don't like them".

>>13726919
>surely it is not so false to assume you can tell the future
Obviously, given sufficient informarion.
>upon meeting someone I instantly knew how the next few months of their life would look
Insufficient data for meaningful answer.

>>13726919
who is the wonderful trap pictured drinking vodka?

>>13726919
Determinism is a protestant meme anon

>>13726919
tl;dr: OP thinks he's Laplace's demon because he read a couple of psychoanalysis books.

>>13726952
God determines the future. Not you

>>13726919
Look man, you're on 4chan. You're just into this kind of stuff. More information you have more accurate predictions/bets.

I was 100% on trump for example but I thought brexit would not happen because the uk elite has nothing to gain from it.

>>13726919
Quantum physics already kills determinism in that sense since random things happen at the quantum level, but that doesnt proof free will.

>>13726919
If determinism was right then how do you have any right to assume you exist and can make truth claims and have any basis for knowledge at all.

>>13726990
Wtf is this retarded reasoning?
Are you implying that just because our brains can store information and concepts you have free will?

>>13726990
if free will was right then how do you know anything is true and your not just willing your own version of truth into your perspective

>>13726990
The argument is the sentience doesn't exist not that we don't

>>13727006
I'm implying that if you are determined then you can't even say you are "reasoning" at all, since your thoughts are just an illusion determined by a process "you" cannot comprehend.

>>13726946
somebody is asking the important questions now

>>13727020
So, if a thought is not real or cannot be true because it is engendered, is a tree not real or untrue because it requires water and soil and sun? Does the necessity of A for B turn B into a nothing?

Materialism is fake, idealism is real, therefore god exists and AIs are an illusion.

>>13726919

>then surely it is not so false to assume you can tell the future?

non sequitur

>>13727054
Why would AIs be an illusion?
Idealism being real doesn't validate god in either direction

>>13726919
how do i get a gf like this?

>>13727116
be tall, handsome, have money, a big dick, and be willing to put up with 200% of her bullshit

>>13726919
>you can tell the future
sure, if you accurately simulate the world

>>13727128
i'm all of that except rich. i mean how do i actually go about it? where do i go and what do i do when i get there?

>>13727161
Which you can't because of quantum uncertainty. See Laplace's demon and the criticisms of it.

>>13727188
>where do i go
college classes
>what do i do
be yourself

>>13727191
so i can just show up to college classes and no one will say anything? do they take attendance?

>>13727190
eh, it doesn't need to be a perfect simulation depends on what you want to predict

>>13726919
if determinism is correct life is just a nonsense movie

>>13726919
its sort of like a mass consciousness, you were tuned to what a lot of people secretly desire

>>13726986
No, collapse theories arent very popular anymore.
Almost all popular, including the most popular, interpretation is detministic.
Just because you can't predict what you will see from an experement does not mean it is not deterministic, it is statistically deterministic and both possible events happen you only get to experience one.

Of course argument from popularity and argument to authority aren't very convincing alone but it at least shows where theoretical physicists stand.

The collapse theories assert additional ideas not supported by the math. This happened because the discoverers of quantum theory could not understand what was happening, or why.

>>13727020
That does not follow unless you are arguing from the position the whole world is an illusion, in which case free will would make no difference.

If you assume the world you experience is somewhat related to the real world then mostly coherent thoughts are an evolutionary advantage.

You can OP. Look into remote viewing and also hellenistic astrology (zodiacal releasing in particular). Materialist cucks will write this stuff off but Im sure you have more sense than they do.

As human beings capable of rational thought and self-reflection, we imagine ourselves to have "free will," which makes us distinct from inanimate objects and animals. We believe we are masters of our own destinies, because we can choose to conform our actions to our desires (we can "do what we want").

However, if our choices are determined by our desires, then the freedom of our choices really depends on whether our desires are "free" in the first place, doesn't it? If we follow the origin of our desires to its base level, we inevitably end up at a source of action that is external to our conscious self, i.e. something we do not choose. For example, I choose to eat this sandwich because I'm hungry. But why am I hungry? Because a lack of nutrients in my body has sent a chemical signal to my brain, triggering it to want to eat. Is my choice to eat this sandwich a free one, if it is ultimately caused by biochemical events outside of my control?

A similar analysis could be applied to any chain of action and desire a person could have. Man is not truly free because he is slave to desires he has no control over; he cannot will what he wills, and thus is no more special or different from any other object in the universe.

>>13727447
based. how do you rekt materialists anon please ? my gf is like that and it's so hard to reason with her

>>13727195
In most places you can just walk onto campus grounds or even attend lectures without any problem. In USA you might run into problems if you look like a shooter.

>>13727832
that's because everyone knows lectures have no value

>>13727842
Well that depends. For me personally they forced me to leave 4chan for a couple of hours each day and is thus the only reason I ever graduated, regardless if I learned anything from them.

>>13727813
just dump her and when she cries say "why are you crying over nothing but a bunch of molecules and chemicals?" and then when she pleads with you say "its just the chemicals that make you feel this way, fuck off"

>>13727897
OH, you're the type of brainlet who thinks reality and feelingd can't have any value of there is a chance to understand it or them?

Any /lit/ determinism chart?

>>13727966
Determinism is not for /lit/ but rather /sci/ to decide, unless you're a solipsist.

>>13727020
"reasoning" is a deterministic process. The free will/determinism dichotomy is completely retarded.

>>13726964
I am God though.

>>13727966
There's the stranger by Camus and Slaughterhouse 5

>>13726986
>quantum physics proves determinism wrong guys
>hurr durr randomness isn't compatible with lack of free will

U want to see some arguments for free will that more than just "I think there I have free will"

>>13727930
you got a lotta balls callin someone a brainlet with a sentence like that.

>>13726939
Bullshit. Hillary lost because she was a shady bedlamite. Literally any other woman politician could have won, even that one that plays at being a Cherokee.