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Hey /lit/ /co/ plebian here, looking for reading advice on big boy books. I'm a bit of a Batman nut, (I know, modern Batman is absolute trash. But I find the character as a whole over his 80 years of history to be quite fascinating.)

I read this page today, and wanted to read the book referenced, only to find out it was made up. So my question to you is what books WOULD Bruce Wayne actually read in his studies to become Batman?

Looking for recommendations to learn about the criminal mind, forensics, various sciences, technologies, strategy, physical fitness or martial arts. Even anything pertinent to a specific villain such as Scarecrow and a study of fear, or books about Riddles, etc. Anything you believe Batman would or should have read.

>> No.13675868
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For criminology read Zimring's books
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_Zimring
For fitness read starting strength by Mark Riptoe

>> No.13675884
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We would need to divide the bat. In a lot of layers. For example, the Batman of the 30's and 40's starts with the greeks. No joke, he lived the classical aristocratic education western model. If the USA movies taught me right, I would think about the whole presocratic and sofists corpus, Plato, Aristotle and Socrates.
Perhaps he would feel empathy for someone like Diogenes.

Then, maybe, He would have moved on to Greek dramaturgy, and then take jump into Moliere, Shakespeare, and of course, Edgar Allan Poe, Conan Doyle and Agatha Christie.

And for the record, I fucking Hate Bob Kane. I really hate him. Picture related.

>> No.13675891

>>13675851
read The Count of Monte Cristo, it’s a great book, very enjoyable, a great place to start for plebs wanting to read literature because it’s an adventure novel, and given that you like Batman, Batman is basically the count so maybe you’ll like that about it
>driven by a need to exact justice outside of the law and act as providence
>superpower of basically infinite money
>loyal servants
>compulsion to act as father figure to various young men
>wears disguises

If you just want to read books about crime related skills to larp as Batman you need to go back to your shitty containment board and then hang yourself

>> No.13675894

>he hasn't read Sir Maxwell Floppy

>> No.13675895

>>13675868
Would Batman do GOMAD?

>> No.13675903

>>13675895
Fuck no, batman would learn physics and anatomy and learn his body as he goes.

>> No.13675905

>>13675851
Albert Camus

>> No.13675910

>>13675884
Yeah, Kane is an absolute Swindler, and I'll also gladly take breakdowns like this on various "Era's" of Batman. As I agree the character changes by generation. Modern day Batman is an unbearable Gary Stu, and I doubt he even knows how to read. Likely just has his computer or Alfred read to him.

>> No.13675912

>>13675894
>>13675851
Where do I start with the oeuvre of Sir Maxwell Floppy? What should I read beforehand?

>> No.13675925

>>13675905
This and Plato. He would probably be well aquatinted with Freud, Hume, Musashi, Nietzsche, and Milton.

>> No.13675952

All good suggestions so far. Any tips on where to start with each author? Just pick a work I like the sound of? Or should I trust their measures of popularity?

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>>13675910
Remember when Iron Michael Ironside voiced Batman in a short? Frank Miller Batman is the best.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xxcp-hJJfi4

I just love that batman that is a hard-boiled vigilante orangutan that fucking breaks bigger monkeys that him using his brain more for hitting people with it rather that solving crimes using the "best world detective" angle. I respect it though. I know that there's a tradition in the making about how BW is going to be 100 years from now the same as Sherlock Holmes, but man, If I have to decide, I choose pic related.

In my personal opinion, Batman, Night on Earth is in the top 5 best batman comic.

>> No.13675979

>>13675925
>>13675905
Literally why? You guys are just name dropping the few writers you know

Batman would probably read Hagakure and Book of Five Rings since he is into eastern martial arts. He would also read books of criminal psychology (sorry, don't know any). The Count of Monte Cristo was the one other sensible recommendation I saw in this thread. Don't listen to the other anons, they are literally just namedropping as much shit as they can think of with no relevance.

>> No.13676009

>>13675979
Probably should have included "And explain why." to the OP, eh?

>>13675968
And I like a mix. A Batman who can be brutal and savage, but with an intellect to match. I'd take either over a Batman who relies solely on tech.

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>>13675905

>> No.13676045

>>13675979
>Book of the Five Rings
That’s Musashi. He would likely read criminal psychology, but I’m sure at some point Batman would inquore further into human psychological phenomena, as it would suit him well considering his overall goals.

He would have read Plato and Nietzsche prior to becoming Batman. Socrates’ method of cross examination is incredibly helpful for arriving at some form of truth, and Batman has to be consistently arring at the truth of other’s action if he is to carry out his duties correctly. Further, he takes it upon himself to act as a vigilante would; he is in nature and striving to work with it to become a symbol. This is a very Nietzschean notion. Hume has some great discussion on human nature and politics. It might be a stretch however seeing how young Bruce probably learned the ropes through Alfred and Fox. He’s a closet romantic. There’s no way there hasn’t been a night where Batman wasn’t cockteased by catwoman only to go home to read Paradise Lost or some other poet.

3/10 bait because I halfheartedly replied to your retarded post

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>>13676040
Imagine if Superman was just called "Stranger". What kind of superhero would be.

Not "The Stranger" o "E'tranger", just "Stranger".

>> No.13676080

>>13676045
>He’s a closet romantic.
You have to specify which batman anon. It doesn't work in that way now. There are different ones according to period, author, context...is like the super god of India or like Sephirot talmudic model of reality, now there are "emanations" of him. If you try to put all batman from its conception, from 1930 until today, I'm sorry to tell it would not fit. Is like making a human made from a superset of 80 years (80 fucking years!) of writers.

>> No.13676102

>>13676045
>He would have read Plato and Nietzsche prior to becoming Batman. Socrates’ method of cross examination is incredibly helpful for arriving at some form of truth, and Batman has to be consistently arring at the truth of other’s action if he is to carry out his duties correctly. Further, he takes it upon himself to act as a vigilante would; he is in nature and striving to work with it to become a symbol. This is a very Nietzschean notion. Hume has some great discussion on human nature and politics.
kek this is really forced attempt to fit these things to Batman, you could literally do that with anything. give me a random author and I'll show you how easy that is

>> No.13676110

>>13676080
To be fair, Grant Morison made an attempt at fusing a majority of Batman's continuity, and I really enjoyed his take. Likely the most recent version of Batman I was able to enjoy. But then the New 52 Reboot fucked him to death, and since they've continued to rape the corpse.

>> No.13676122

>>13676102
To be fair, the premise of the thread is fucking retarded. At least give me a medal for playing, daft manchild.

>> No.13676129

>>13676102
J.K. Rowlings!

>> No.13676136

>>13676122
Hey, I'm the OP, and I appreciate any help man. I've been meaning to read more philosophy anyways, so I'll still give them a look and judge for myself.

>> No.13676145

>>13676122
I think it's a fun premise, you just need to think a little and see which authors fit the Batman archetype. Don't just namedrop the first thing that comes into your head.

>> No.13676161

>>13676129
Well, for one, it involves a hero, Harry Potter, fighting a comic book tier villain, Voldemort. Two he is fighting corruption in the wizarding world (all the partisans of Voldemort that are embedded into various wizardly institutions). Three, Harry is an orphan whose parents died violently. I could honestly keep going. See how easy it is?

>> No.13676167

>>13676161
Not bad. lol

>> No.13676180

>>13676110
Morrison tried to go beyond. Imagine OP made a / lit | co \ thread in 4chan. Morrison tried to merge religion without deity in comic platform. He literally tried to make Batman a god for the XXI century. The problem is, it seems do not work in that way. Paper always will be paper. I don't blame him either. At the end of the day he saw the world going to shit since The Invisibles. Moore is in the same track.