/lit/ - Literature

>>13650822
I see two people on smartphones here.

>>13650822
Is this a line for the new iphone or something?

Look, we hit peak oil in 2006, peak coal next year, peak rare metals are just around the bend. Go get the good wood to make your cabin while you still can.

>>13650822
crash the world economy

>>13650822
the counter culture will become mainstream in 10-15 years. just chill and keep reading anon

Kill 'em all

>>13650822
I only use one because someone borrowed my Nokia brick (15 years old), removed my SIM card, got it converted to a microSIM, and put it into a third-hand smartphone, which they had been trying to force on me for two years but which I kept politely declining.

Though, I do kind of enjoy taking pictures with my dogs on it, after the fact.

Just don't participate.

Stop? Accelerate!

>>13650896
>Thinking the world is just going to go to the shits
Liberal jew detected

>>13650860
Buy Kindle.

>>13650822
>not incorporating it into your writing
I thought all the boomer readers left the board

Fuck I hate Normies.
They always bitch at me to by the latest phone “because the camera is so good!”

When I tell them that I have a D7200 with a sigma 18-35mm f/1.8 and that it can shoot way better than their shitty iPhone they refuse to believe it. Retards that spend 800 dollars on a new phone every year for the camera alone will be the first to hang on the day of the rope.

>>13650860
they're all waiting in line to buy one

>>13650822
the bible

>>13651057
Midwit

>>13650822
I have never owned a smartphone and never used social media. If you google my name you can only find my research papers. feels good man.

>>13652289
Halfwit

>>13650822
Get a based mindfulness gf.

>>13650822
why does it need to be stopped?

>>13652467

>>13652450
This picture makes sad.
People caring more about appearances than what is are the ruin of civilizations.

Anti-smartphone elephants

>>13650822
There is no escape.
https://youtu.be/JXjDa1VoXXQ

>>13650822
OP is literally a phoneposter.

>>13651069
>kindle
>no epubs supported

Why are u like this, anon? Take the epubpill.

>>13652483
JUST GONNA SEND IT!

>>13652527
Give me all your human pollution images

>>13652340
You are using “Social Media” right now

It's not smartphone culture, it's consumer culture.

>>13652450
2>1>3

>>13652527
The Everest shit blew my mind, how they line up like disgusting fucking proles all the way up the mountain, all waiting to take their fucking Instagram selfie. It makes me sick, actually sick.

I don't understand why this disgust for the vulgarization of the sublime is such a minority opinion. Whenever I talk to a normie about something like commercial spaceflight, they all react the same, no matter what, they all say "but why shouldn't people be allowed to go to space if they WANT???" and I say okay, but why does every dumbass prole need to have a selfie in orbit? Can't anything be reserved for select people or simply preserved in general? Do we really need to blast all those non-recyclable materials into the atmosphere, burn up our limited stores of rocket fuel, clutter up the stratosphere with a billion fat pleb housewives taking pictures of themselves? Can we at least reserve it for people who will appreciate it? They always go "ummmm but those people will have a GOOD TIME so that means they should be able to do whatever they want??" Proles in space, proles under the sea, proles on every mountaintop, proles cluttering up every natural environment, gotta convert every forest and jungle and tundra into a vacation spot for proles. God forbid instead of vaporizing an acre of rainforest, you teach a prole an ounce of humility instead, when humility is the precondition for an authentic encounter with nature in the first place.

Everything in this era is pure evil, there is a real metaphysical assault on humanity taking place at a level we can't normally see. Something is trying to drag us all down to this disgusting level permanently.

>>13652668
Guenonposter out

>>13652627
An anonymous forum about mongolian basket weaving is not social media, moron

>>13652668
>Something is trying to drag us all down to this disgusting level permanently.
There's no conspiracy or anything, it's just late stage capitalism and it won't get replaced by anything anytime soon. What activism we do have is maybe ecological, but even then that gets commercialized and turned into a fashion statement.

Though I agree with you, my reaction to this is nothing but despair.

>>13652668
Agree, but doesn't have anything to do with proles really.

>>13652685
>it's just late stage capitalism
Fake and gay.

>>13652685
>What activism we do have is maybe ecological, but even then that gets commercialized and turned into a fashion statement.

>>13651411
why are you so mad at the fact that someone who takes photos on their phone does it better than you on your 'dslr'
money can't buy talent
>inb4 i didn't say they take better photos
well you sound like, plus let's just be honest

I can't wait for capitalism to finally choke on its own shit.

>>13652722
"This brings us, therefore, to a more subtle plane, where action and control are exerted by means of ideas. Ideas - be mindful - are understood not as abstract notions, but rather as power-ideas, as myths in the Sorelian sense that is, principles applied to the task of awakening energies, movements, and social currents through various moral or emotional suggestions, plus those of belief, tradition, etc., which they are capable of exerting on the masses. But here two basic points must be borne firmly in mind. In the first place, the Ruler must remain master of the various ideas or myths; he must not, by believing them, then fall under their suggestion, becoming an obsessive, a slave of the spirits which he evoked; he must not accord to them any absolute value whatsoever, but instead must regard them coldly as means, as fascinating tools with which - in conformance to a precise science of crowd psychology - he will exert those influences which he wants, awakening and directing the blind forces of the associated communities."

>>13652668
I'm pretty that's not Everest. In fact Everest shall remain a filter against the proles that you preach against. You need a lot of time and moneu to spare and not only that, but I doubt any company would allow you to climb without any relevant experience. It's just not something you decide to do for some fun holidays casually

>>13652498
REVÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖLT AGAINSD MÖDERN WÖÖÖÖÖÖRLD :D

>>13652817
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/26/world/asia/mount-everest-deaths.html

‘It Was Like a Zoo’: Death on an Unruly, Overcrowded Everest

https://beta.washingtonpost.com/outlook/mount-everest-is-packed-whose-fault-is-that/2019/05/31/de7b3888-8349-11e9-9a67-a687ca99fb3d_story.html

Mount Everest is packed. Whose fault is that?

>Many climbing teams have more laptops than stoves. Virtually every climber documents his or her adventure through blogs, Facebook pages, Instagram posts and live video, a far cry from the technology available in 1953, when Tenzing Norgay and Edmund Hillary made the first ascent.

>>13652817
When he says "proles", pretty sure that isn't a money thing.

>Q: WE HEAR YOU’RE NOT THAT KEEN ON TECHNOLOGY...
>A: I don’t have an internet connection, or a mobile phone, or a TV signal. I can play [digital] music on the television, or on the computer I suppose, but I don’t. I am pretty much cut off from the 21st century. It’s like culturally I’m trying to establish a kind of sensory deprivation tank for myself, whereby I am receiving no modern signals whatsoever, because I’ve heard that after a while in a sensory deprivation tank you start to hallucinate and have all sorts of strange experiences, so I’m waiting for that to happen.

>Q: HOW DO YOU MANAGE WITHOUT THE INTERNET?
>A: It seems to work. I am pretty much cut off from the majority of the 21st century, but not much escapes me. You hear about everything, because you’re talking to people, you’re absorbing a lot of this information as if by osmosis, just through the pores of your skin. I have said that by embracing the internet in the way that it has done, which was kind of inevitable, society has embarked on a massive experiment without having any idea of the various ways in which those technologies will impact upon us socially, politically and psychologically. So I so think if there’s this huge experiment going on, it’s best that I remain outside the petri dish, as a kind of control, so that we’ll be able to see how badly the rest of you have mutated, by comparing you with me as a kind of baseline.
>>>interview with Alan Moore

>>13652832
Didn't Evola have a word or phrase of "plebs of the soul"?

Take the nostalgiapill

>>13652523
It's called Calibre retard, it automatically converts them.

>>13651411
U are an absolute pleb and in your plebness, you can't even see how u are exactly like the people you criticize

>>13652340
wow, so original! u showed em, there will be poems about people like u

>>13652862
based mind-parasitized poster

>>13650896
Have you heard the good news?

>>13650822
It can't be stopped, it's a worldwide culture now, people can't do anything without their smartphones and it's the easiest way to get into the internet without a computer, but I don't understand how people get so brainwashed to buy the newest phone of x or z company, they all look the same, the company just adds a number and say it's new and full of new features and they all fall for this shit, paying a big amount of money for a thing they don't really need, we can all blame capitalism and social media, if Instagram didn't exist, people wouldn't be so eager to buy a new iPhone just to take selfies of themselves and get likes so they can fulfill the lack of ego they own, it's all about a reward system
Buy phone-> brag about it -> feels good
Takes selfie -> post it -> feels good

>>13652527
Saving this for /out/.

>>13652685
>fashion statement.
this

Last week a radical anarchist/leftist local magazine posted about how they are selling tshirts and caps with some randos illustrations

fucking kill me

>>13652877
this post is from 2011 /g/

>>13652760
where is this from?

>>13652760
Salsa por favor

>>13652926
>>13652953
Julius Evola, Pagan Imperialism.

Learn to google.

>>13652450
We had a good run lads, time for us to disappear out of the machine like the miserable ghosts we are.

>>13652964
Thanks. I know how to, im just lazy (and im from my phone sorry everyone ill get out of bed now)

>>13652450
>>13652527
More like this?

>>13650822
Exoteric Linkolaism

>>13652668

>>13652668
well said
I'm constantly searching for something pure or sublime but EVERYTHING has been vulgarized by tech enabled peons

>>13652646

>>13652747
Wishful thinking cope.

>>13652760
>as power-ideas, as myths in the Sorelian sense
Reminder that Sorel was merely applying Vico's New Science to his contemporary early 20th Century political concerns and you too should return to Vico if you want to apply his ideas of poetic wisdom and myth to your contemporary concerns.

>>13652668
>proles in space, proles under the sea, proles on every mountaintop, proles cluttering up every natural environment, gotta convert every forest and jungle and tundra into a vacation spot for proles. God forbid instead of vaporizing an acre of rainforest, you teach a prole an ounce of humility instead, when humility is the precondition for an authentic encounter with nature in the first place.
This is why I go to /lit/, great prose

>>13650822
A poem about plebs that I really enjoy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uofEqpXKfeI

>>13652668
Nature is the enemy that man's ever expanding circle of intersubjective consciousness must destroy.

>>13653057
we are nature u absolute layman

>>13653057
>implying by progressive mastery over the Anstoß fichte meant something like the dialectic of enlightenment and heidegger's gestell rather than spirit's self-mastery as subjective spirit takes ownership of previously unconscious or demi-conscious forms of objective spirit

don't vulgarize fichte, he's a sweet boy

>>13652823
I'm sad to have been proven wrong. I really expected Everest to be free from that issue.

>>13652832
Except the word prole derives from proletariat, the wage-earning class. The modern definition for me is just another word for wagecuck. A mediocre middle-class person who indulges in consumerism and dick measuring contests to impress their social circles.

>>13653113
The biggest proles are the nouveau riche oligarchs who think they aren't proles.

Even old European aristocratic families are just nouveau riche venture capitalists now, having converted all their old estates into capital. Even if they retain the estates, it's still qua capital. When everything is capital, everything is nouveau riche. Thinnest oligarchy in history.

>>13652713
That picture: Nonsense on several levels.

>>13653113
>I'm sad to have been proven wrong. I really expected Everest to be free from that issue.
It's been like that for decades, it also costs a ridiculous amount to get up there. I believe it's less like that if you're going in from the Chinese side. You're part of it though, what with fetishizing Everest, there are plenty of ignored mountains.

The thing that really bothers me about Everest is that most of these people will leave others to die to get to the top. How is that worth it? Brian Blessed talks about missing the top to save a guy's life sometimes, but I've heard many more stories of people not doing that.

you don't. people are desperate to be cyborgs

>>13652845
>wasting ur time converting files when you could be reading

>>13653123
based post

All hail the cheap money era

>>13653123
>tfw the nouveau riche ruined your country

>>13653178
they ruined every country

all in the name of cheap sex, instant gratification, narcisstic egos, coke, "spirituality", booze and fucking weird shit

>>13650822
>Converted to Islam
KABABED

There is no countercoulture

Debate me

>>13653143
The world's population is a bell curve. Most people are in the middle where they need validation from others. They'll do almost anything to this including climbing one of the world's easiest mountains to climb. The benefits of this is Nepal become less impoverished because of tourism money. People often die on Everest nowadays because of a freak accident or a storm fucking them up. Most climb with proper gear. Not sure why you're feeling sorry for Everest.

>>13651029
with no survivors?

I absolutely hate traveling and travel culture. It turns every place on earth into a commodity, it breeds fakeness and superficiality, and it brings ruin to places that had been revered or untouched for millennia.
Death to all tourists and travelthots.

>>13653200
There is culture, that's my counter.

Now you counter culture.

>>13653178
On the second day after Legionary victory, the "EXCEPTIONAL
TRIBUNAL" will be made, which will bring before it and will try for
treason against the Fatherland:

a) All those who plundered public funds

b) All those who received bribes to ease business

c) All those who broke the fundamental laws of the country, as in doing
so they persecuted, imprisoned, struck against Legionaries or their
family. No matter what station they occupy, whether soldier or minister,
nobody will escape judgment.

They were too confident that Romania is their private estate, that the laws were
made to be trampled on by them, that we are the serfs on this estate,
and we were to be beaten by their whip.

There is no man who has eyes but does not see that this rich country
has become a ruin. The ruin of the peasant’s household, the ruin of the
village (now a handful of poor fellows who lament), the ruin of the commune,
the ruin of the county, the ruin of the mountains, the ruin of the
derelict fields that no longer yield anything to the poor ploughman, the
ruin of the state budget, the ruin of the country.

And above all these ruins, stretching across the Romanian soil, a
band of scoundrels, a band of imbeciles, a band of thieves without shame,
built mansions in defiance to the country, adding insult to the injury of
your suffering, you the Romanian peasant.

Never was there seen in the world a more revolting picture, more
painful and more brazen. Above the millions of households which are destroyed, over the
millions of souls crying in poverty, a brigand's mansion is mockingly
raised by the plunderer of country.

Who is he?

Search for him through the alienated cities, and you will find him. He is
the draft dodger of 1916. He is the "hero" who served 100km from the
the front, the traitor to his country and brothers; he is the one enriched
by war, the business man, he is the profiteer of the blood you spilled,
drop by drop, from your deep wounds.

>>13653209
that elephant knows judo

>>13653193
Egyptfag here. People go to the north coast in the summer just to show off for snapchat and instagram. The place has been commercialized to death and it’s just sad.

Smartphones represent hypercapital, a condensed, gravitational sink well of capital verging on a black hole. Not only are the gadgets costly and ubiquitous, but the whole modern economy virtually supervenes on smartphones.

Most ubiquitous technologies are extremely difficult to reverse. Cars aren't going anywhere, and same can be said for computers. There won't be some luddite uprising . But the rise of one culture so often entails the sacrificing of the previous. The slow, considered culture of print is not going to return. The best I can do, the best anyone can do, is keep it alive like a hobbyist keeps their esoteric pastime alive.

>>13653204
>The world's population is a bell curve. Most people are in the middle where they need validation from others.
You've got some dunning kruger going on there. The reason why there are so many people in the middle is to increase spending in the economy which in turn staves off things like stagflation which were a serious problem of the post war years. You'll note that there weren't that many in the middle prior to that, it's the result of a conscious choice, not something that happened because it's """"natural""""".

>Not sure why you're feeling sorry for Everest.
I feel bad for the sherpas that have to deal with idiots and dead people, and I feel bad for how it dehumanizes people. Leaving someone to die to get to the top of a famous mountain is terrible and evil.

>>13652871
>solar can replace oil
Maximum brainlet here

>>13653227
We are social animals and thus our need for validation is our feature. For most people, I would say that this is relatively high. The rise in middle class and social media simply facilitates this aspect of humanity to be displayed to the world.

>dehumanizes people
I have an objective view on death and people's stupidity. If they died due to their stupidity then I have nothing to feel about. Dead bodies are often left there. The sherpas know that it doesn't worth it to bring them down. This is a growing issue on Everest. Eventually tourists will turned off by this and the Nepalese govt will realize that cleaning up Everest is necessary for tourism and so these bodies will be removed. Supply and demand has its benefits.

>>13652627
Are you lost?

>>13652450
I saw this happen in real life once. The guy and the girl went to the beach, the guy took pictures of her for 20 minutes, then they left without ever stepping in the water. How ridiculous is it to fake having a good day at the beach? I looked at them smugly in the eyes as they left.

just leave people alone, incel

>>13653465

You sure showed them

>>13652892
Yeah, but the real anarchists all got #metood over ten years ago. Yellow Vests have been going for a year or so across the West, but the commies can't support those proles.
Activism is still possible, it just has to go beyond the old left/right bullshit and learn to avoid glownigs.

>>13653476
No, that comes later

>>13653476
I wasn't trying to deliver some grand final judgement, idiot. My look would communicate to them how ridiculous and empty their life is and maybe they will realize this and change, but I doubt it.

>>13652498
Elephants hate being ignored, they probably thought she was. They'll throw rocks at people that don't look at them.

>>13653526
>hate being ignored
>throw rocks at people that don't look at them

God fucking damnit, after seeing these webms of elephants destroying roasties, I was enjoying the thought that elephents are some kind of Anti-Woman principle, banishers of thots. Now you're telling me that they're really the Ur-Woman, somehow even more entitled and attention-seeking than human women? This is a huge blow for me

>>13653538
The elephant in that vid is probably just extremely aggressive because he's in musth. Also he's trying to steal the phone at the end, so that's probably what triggered him.

>>13653554
>musth

Is this why college girls all dress like whores now? To put me in a constant state of musth?

>>13653566
Unfortunately, it's restricted to elephants. I wish i could get into musth myself, having 60 times more testosterone than normal has to be awesome.

>>13652858
>muh full sensor
>>13652741
Based iPhone retard. Your shittly exposed and over saturated pictures of your cat taken on your iPhone XS look like absolute ducking garbage compared to any entry level body and glass. Sorry to break your heart faggot.

>>13653574
>60 times

>>13653579
>muh lenses

consumers that get overly excited about products are cancer

>>13653523
>be me
>spend 20 min. at a beach getting the right picture for my gf
>walk back to the car knowing I'm gonna have sex when we get home
>on the way back notice a sad lone man giving us a disgusted look
>think about how alone he must be to be so angry at a couple
>get in the car and drive home while gf plays with my dick
>get home
>have sex
>next day go to church and pray for incels

>>13653209
you should see what venice has turned into, it boils my fuicking blood\

>>13653691
Enlighten us non-travelers.

>>13653691
tell us

>>13653652
Cringe and yikes, christcuck

>>13653574
you can achieve that with test injections

So /lit/, you are smart, how do I deal with this? It feels to me like everything is fake, as if corporate human resource bullshit is the dominant state of mind.

>>13653691
I went to venice for the biennale last year.
that would be one of the most fascinating places in the world if it was a living city and not one giant italy-themed resort

>>13653727
g/acc
c/acc
Only two choices you have for authentic reclaiming of the self as a fully capitalised being.

>>13653705
>>13653708
i live a couple hours from there, when you get off the train you can barely move because of the tourists, a large part of which are chinks (chinese tourists are disgusting, they dont respect queues, they are loud, they litter everywhere etc.)
everything is commodified, culture has become a shiny trinket to buy and put on display back home, ancient churches are just a place to take a selfie.
Huge ships crowd the laguna causing a whole host of issues.
the locals can barely get by because the huge demand has made the prices skyrocket, venice has a populatin of just a few tens of thousands people, the tourists are about 20 million a year.
the whole place is basically a littered, loud, smelly and overcrowded amusement park

this is a good article about htis issue https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/the-death-of-venice-corrupt-officials-mass-tourism-and-soaring-property-prices-have-stifled-life-in-10251434.html

>>13653764
>ancient churches are just a place to take a selfie.
This shocked me when I visited Paris five years ago. I went inside Notre Dame and as it turns out they were having services all day. You'd think they would stop the tourists then, but no, the believers had their service while shitty tourists walked around taking photos. I'm not a church goer, but seriously, what the fuck.

>>13653756
>g/acc
>c/acc
What?

>>13653764
>>13653779
What a nightmare

>>13650896
>Go get the wood to build your cabin while you still can
Based

how do you guys read books then?

>>13652498
Tyke Lives
https://youtu.be/bYa9bYBeJFs

>>13653810
some incredibly gay larp shit that literal trannies post on twitter about

don't bother

>>13654024
>t. jealous r/acc falseflagger
You'll never catch up to us.

We had our chance. But humanity chose to remain emasculated instead of accepting the crystal palace of the eyes.

>>13653554
That is 100% not musth: firstly you can visibly see the waxy discharge with musth, secondly everyone and everything would be dead if it were musth. The elephant's just a little young and a little annoyed. Trunk's sensitive.

>>13654376
Bro there's a very fucking obvious waxy discharge from his temporal glands, and he's isolated in a ring because he's fucking dangerous

>>13653828
it really is. they reduced a gorgeous city into an unlivable shithole. Many cities here are like this, but Venice is on another level. what bothers me the most though is the commodification of my culture, they have to appeal to the lowest common denominator to sell shit to tourists and it's nauseating. also i really can't overstate how much chinese tourists suck, i work in a museum (my city is also a tourist destination albeit on a much smaller scale) and they almost always skip the queue and touch everything even if there's a sign and a fucking fence or red cord or whatever, they just walk past it. I can distinguish between various Asian nationalities just by how they behave. I relate so much to this video https://youtu.be/T8OCR1suKcs

>>13653078
based fichteposter

>1920s
>entire train/public space full of people reading newspaper

>2010s
>entire train/public space full of people reading on screen

I really don't see a problem. One week in Eastern Europe and you faggots would scream to get back to your sterile, cold societies. Fucking can't stand noise on public transport and people talking and yelling nonstop everywhere.

>>13653756
lol no

>>13650822
There's one answer to the rising tech problem: revolutionary satanic genocide, bro. I'm taking Pol Pot for white people, razing the cities, and building the hell machine.

>>13654641
chinks really are fucking satanic, i wonder how many things in museums/historic sites have been ruined because some idiot fucking chink put his hands on it.

i really can't understand how chinks even exist. it's like they are meant only to destroy, to ruin things and drag everything down to a teeming chinkoid level with them. they can't have any respect for anything outside themselves, they are like living fucking entropy.

they are making a new world for themselves, now more socially real than the baser one they are less and less connected to- transients cultivating galleries of experience mediated through their fondleslabs.

>>13654666
Implying Eastern Europe isn't plagued with smartphone culture.

>>13654826
>umberto eco
Based. Have you read any of his novels?

>>13652668
unbelievably based. ecofascism NAO

>>13652668
The strange thing is that this is the same mechanized nihilism as that which destroys nature.

>>13654666
>1920s
>People are reading news, novel/las, light reading
>2010s
>People are reading their emails, playing phone games, checking social media, maybe reading
I know this is bait, but I've been commuting by train in Tokyo for months and the overwhelming majority of people using their phones in public are not reading. People with physical books are reading, and people reading on their phone are always reading manga.
I have seen an older woman draw with a tablet while commuting, which was impressive.

>>13650822
>stop
Why?

>>13654703
yeah i swear they act like swarms of fucking bugs when they're grouped together . The young ones are much better though, the disgusting ones are usually middle aged to old

>>13655201
It's probably not bait. Zoomers actually like nihilist liberalism.

>>13655116
Name of the rose and foucault's pendulum are both lit

>>13654826
It's so weird to see it first hand. That simulacrum of a "life" all for the need of attention and admiration by others. Case in point, my boss (total fucking idiot) leaves work everyday to walk a dog, that isn't his, takes tons of photos of him and it and posts them on every social media channel. Even made an instagram page for it. Came back one day, brought me to his office and demanded to know why I am not following that page.

>>13655663
Fuck me I had a similar experience when I was working at this book warehouse. I came in one day and all the other employees were gabbing with the boss as usual, in that subtle way that excludes autists and people who are a bit more withdrawn, and they informed me that they had set up an Instagram or Facebook page or something like that, for everyone to take a picture of funny or weird things they find among the books we're processing. I said that's cool and was reasonably friendly about it, but I simply didn't social media shit so I couldn't (thank god) participate. They seemed really weirded out by this, which further contributed to me being an outsider, even though I was always friendly.

Now that I've written it out, the bare relation of it doesn't really live up to the memory. But it was a thousand things like this. It's like their way of surviving work is not to resist the drudgery actively, but to absorb the drudgery into their perennial peasant mentality and turn their workplace into a petty social hierarchy, full of petty dramas and inclusion/exclusion rituals.

I talked to this girl recently who was ethnic Chinese and pretty openly pro-CCP/nationalist, but who had also done tech journalism and worked in startups out in California. We talked a lot about how Californian hipster queer culture has utterly integrated sociality and work, beyond Adorno's or even Baudrillard's worst fears. They assent to having no benefits, to being on the clock 24/7, etc., etc., all because of "entrepreneur" and "gig economy" jargon that tells them they're being proactive by being a fucking moustache-waxing hipster douche with a Twitter and no steady career, and because they can be bribed with beanbag chairs and hammocks in the fucking office to entice them to sleep there.

There's a cool documentary called Japan: A Story of Love and Hate about a guy named Naoki in Japan who was an anarchist radical in the '60s or some shit, but now works a horrific bureaucrat job at the post office. In Japan, they apparently make you dance around every morning and talk about how much you love your boss. If you don't truly love your boss, truly submit to the capitalist "Work Can Be Fun! We're A Family!!" culture, like Naoki, you just get ground down into nothing. The system selects for docile, delta-level, gelatinous people who will accept the impress of any bootprint, while subtly extruding anyone with normal human tendencies toward rebellion and self-assertion.

The next 20 years will be the test of whether there is anything in the innate structure of the human being that springs back when you try to bend it too far, or whether we really are fundamentally breakable and remoldable down to our atoms.

>>13655757
The whole "work is family" mentality is predatory as fuck. I'm an assistant manager and my manager lamented one day how he doesn't believe that the representatives under us "love" the work like he does and why that is. I wanted to shake him then and there, yell at him to try to get through that thick brain of his that they're here so they don't starve, not because they like getting abused by customers and management.

But as you alluded to about corporate idiots and the inclusion of queerness in the workplace. I fall under the lgbt grouping and hate the extent which corporate goes out to make it seem like they support it, when really it's just virtue signals. Surprisingly this is a radical stance to have and I drew the ire of HR when I said "I don't really care"

>>13654930
im eastern european and i don't know what the other anon is on about,people here love emulating westerners by buying the most expensives smartphones and being cold with strangers

>>13654666
When radio became prevalent you had people crying about the fall of people getting together to just sing some songs together.

>>13654411
I was looking at the wrong gif.

>>13656036
aight no problem bby

>>13656031
Being cold with strangers is Eastern yuro thing though, it's the Americans who fake smiles and try to strike conversation with randoms.

>>13652871
PV solar is the worst renewable, a literal scam.

>>13651044
Laughable, but yea just ignore it. Keep reading and don't give in

>>13656053
Not smiling being default state isn't a sign of coldness, but of a sacredness of a sincere smile.

>>13655757
>There's a cool documentary called Japan: A Story of Love and Hate about a guy named Naoki in Japan who was an anarchist radical in the '60s or some shit, but now works a horrific bureaucrat job at the post office. In Japan, they apparently make you dance around every morning and talk about how much you love your boss. If you don't truly love your boss, truly submit to the capitalist "Work Can Be Fun! We're A Family!!" culture, like Naoki, you just get ground down into nothing. The system selects for docile, delta-level, gelatinous people who will accept the impress of any bootprint, while subtly extruding anyone with normal human tendencies toward rebellion and self-assertion.
Look up about when Walmart tried and failed to penetrate the German market. What you're feeling about the Japanese, we Europeans think about you Americans.

>>13656006
I think a lot more people are alienated from their local communities often not even knowing their neighbours, while making a lot of their friends either at a very narrow point in their life or predominantly from work. My work doesn't allow me to meet many potential friends/colleagues and I've found people can be very arms length with other traditional avenues like hobbies and classes and things. Also the amount of people who are clearly a bit depressed and spend way too much time watching the Office or Friends over and over is insane.

>>13656053
>>13656089
I would say slavs are traditionally very hospitable, just no saccharine (trying too hard to appear friendly and happy).

>>13656006
>the extent which corporate goes out to make it seem like they support it, when really it's just virtue signals.

What creeps me out even more isn't even when it's consciously cynical, but when it's simply done as a function of minding the profit margins. Whenever anything is done for that ulterior, profit-minded motive, it's like a sour note to me.

Small example: watching a Youtube video and the guy starts shilling some product that paid him to advertise, and he has to pretend he likes the fucking product, and he instantly shifts into that slightly dulled, slightly "going through the motions, but I'm still enthusiastic! I swear I really am!" phony enthusiasm, which isn't even consciously phony anymore, because he probably does really convince himself of "haha hey I actually like this product :) I mean I wouldn't play this phone game personally, but it's cool! Games gotta get advertised, right? Haha! I'm not doing anything weird by shilling! That's just how the world works, lol!" at an unconscious level until that's just how he sees the world.

Not sure if this will make sense, but I feel like I can "hear" that same dull shilling tone of voice in nearly everything, everywhere, all the time. I can see it woven into the fucking fabric of society, everyone's just shilling all the time, everybody is minding their bottom line, everyone has bills to pay, everyone is a brutalized fucking "hey, I gotta survive, right? Shit, you expect me to turn down some extra cash? Who am I really hurting by just adding a liiiittle bit of product placement?" whipped dog. It's like I can smell how the usury has replaced everyone's blood.

>>13653022
Okay anon I will

>>13656132
I know exactly what you mean by that "grey voice". My roommate is the epitome of this sort of mindset, obsessed with himself and what he consumes rather than actually having a personality. He worked for 16 days straight when his work volunteered him to work at some event for 12 hours a day. When I asked why he said yes to that, he replied "money"

In turn I began to volunteer for an environmental group, when he asked me why I was doing that, I said to meet others and learn more, he was flummoxed that I wasn't doing it for monetary reasons

>>13655757
Great post

>>13656245
I just tell people I do these things for money, it's not worth the headache. I've been trying a bit of the ol dating bs recently and a lot of seemingly nice women are also obsessed with money to the degree they come across to me as a little dim. Not in a gold digger kind of way, but in the way of having a particular conception of work where they're not doing much else and this somehow makes them an adult or grown up, very Mammon chasing, very much pisses me off.

>>13656132
Yes I hear this all the time. It's especially bad in IGN videos where pretty girls have to sound interested interviewing some goblin about his indie game, usually when there's a visceral reminder of how artificial it all is, like two completely incompatible bodies standing next to each other, it's way more noticeable. Its something that's always haunted me, in a way it isn't really all fake, the old hierarchies are still observable, some pretty interviewer's animal preference for the more attractive member of a pair or whatever still stinks like she shit her pants. It's just covered up in this terrible reddit marshmallow gauze

>>13656245
>>13656318
>"grey voice"
>marshmallow gauze

Both your descriptions are insightful and right on point for me and I'm glad I'm not the only person attuned to this. Thank god for /lit/ sometimes, honestly.

>>13652340
>and never used social media.
4chan is no better than social media.

>>13652668
Really really made me think

>>13656291
>very Mammon chasing
I think conceiving of it in this way is a bit misleading - in that most people - even the ones who qualify as educated, stable, and thoughtful - have simply never been thoroughly exposed to a different guiding mindset and its benefits. Calling it Mammon chasing would - to me - imply a conscious choice rejecting an alternative value system pursuit. I think people instead live on autopilot and autopilot in our culture is materialism and consumption and neither has any stigma of misbehavior when kept within our rather lax societal limits.

The short upshot is that many people can be - slowly - recentered. My wife began this way and still has strong elements of the money first mentality for work life but has ceased shaping her overall life on those terms.

I've contemplated destroying cell towers in my area.

What I'd really like is a bluetooth signal jammer that I can use on the train.

>>13653224
Do you know a retard named Ephrem that moved to the states a few years ago?

>>13653113
idk much about climbing but I think Everest is not that technically challenging compared to other mountains.

>>13652994
Nothing can vulgarize the gratuity of idleness anon. Just go outside, have a stroll, look at nature around you. Think. No phones or anything and it doesn't matter if people call you a poseur, you're doing it for yourself.

>>13653226
The fun thing is the culture of print considerably made things faster in its time. It was the smartphone of the time in a way. It's possible this while trend has started with the invention of writing, or perhaps even with the first images crafted in human and animal form.

It turns out the Jews were right, ironically. Images corrupt spirit.

>>13653538
>the internet likes videos of elephant hitting women therefore they are misogynistic
>surprised that highly intelligent social animals like attention
You're a bit of a tool quite frankly. Elephants even have political intrigue. And who likes being ignored? It's not being an attention whore, ignoring someone who stand right in front of you is simply disrespectful.

>>13654641
>>13654703
This behavior is very strange coming from people with such a conformist culture. Is it the thrill of being outside of their own country, or is it because the travelling middle-class is entirely made up of materialistic arrivist?

>>13655663
I'm generally guarded against /lit/'s tendency to call everyone stupid but your boss does sound like a particularly creative brand of idiot. At least he's getting those likes he want I suppose.

>>13656132
sounds like you have a problem with capitalism

>>13655757
>The next 20 years will be the test of whether there is anything in the innate structure of the human being that springs back when you try to bend it too far, or whether we really are fundamentally breakable and remoldable down to our atoms.

spoiler alert: yes we can

>>13650822
"Energy rationing" in which each citizen is only allowed to use a certain amount of watts per day. it will come as a result of energy scarcity and climate-driven authoritarianism

>>13656053
Brazilian and Southern Spanish also do it, except their smiles aren't fake for the most part.

threads like this which showcase lit’s vitriol for modern culture are so transparent. Not saying that I don’t agree with some of the criticism in this thread, but the glee in which you all degrade the vast majority of the planet, is so clearly a defense mechanism against feeling left out.

It’s the exact same phenomenon when you’re in public by yourself. There’s a group having fun, being a little loud and obnoxious. Over the course of the night, you being to hate them. You come up with a series of arguments which, in your mind are based in rationality, but obviously just stem from a subconscious jealously. Then, one day, you’re in that group, being loud and having fun. And you realize it’s kinda silly, but it’s honestly enjoyable.

Anyways, clearly a vast majority of lit are miserable antisocial people who see people enjoying themselves on their phones, and slowly build up these complicated arguments in their head about why they’re horrible, even though the nugget of distaste came from an erroneous place

>>13656721
>hab segs

>>13656389
HackRF or a cheap SDR would do the trick. Make sure it can transmit on the frequency of BT. Probably have it powered by a battery pack and run off a raspi.

>>13656291
We measure success by money, therefore people seek to make money to feel validated. Unfortunately money will never bring the same satisfaction as wisdom, temperance, courage, honor, justice, sacrifice and love. Things most people can only read about and never experience or truly understand.

>>13653652
>Church
>premarital sex
Fucking idiot lmao

>>13656721
That sounds like complete projection but i'll bite. Your argument is from one of a person who holds no intrinsic value system, you present a false dichotomy in this regard. In my experience, from which I can only talk from since I know no other, is that the apparent lack of effort to build or grow meaningful parts of your life will contribute to the misanthropic or unfulfilling way you live. Social media, smart phones, materialism, consumerism, are all short term satisfactions, they offer no way to seek greater meaning beyond the act of interacting or doing. The answer to sadness with consumerism is to consume more, like social media, feeling lonely, post more interact more. You do not need to engage in these philosophies to be apart of society, to become to far detached from society is more detrimental for your cause. Often the way to meaning seems counter culture or contrarian but that is the early adopter, to be connected allows others to feel that what you're doing is achievable and not really that isolating. To think of hate and jealously is weakness and should be repressed. No action taken from these emotions will lead you on a true course.

>>13656721

>>13650822
Obviously EMP bomb the world

>>13656721
It's not that I have groups being a little loud and obnoxious to have fun. I just despise how half of all their jokes are "It's just like _____________ in Harry Potter/The Office/Marvel/whatever", indicating a troubling trend of corporate-driven culture.

>>13657357
>have groups
Fuck me. I meant to type hate groups.

>>13655538
Nice, those are the two i read as well, spectacular books

>>13651053
>smartphone, which they had been trying to force on me for two years
this is common
you WILL get smartphones forced on you

>c'mon, EVERYBODY's doing it

>>13650822
probably cliche to say something dramatic about the smart phone but it really is a self imposed prison. has anyone read the burnout society?

>study hard and get sent to Antarctica for work
>finally, I will escape this pissearth
>get there
>it's just the same tech addicted normals that are everywhere

>>13650822
There's nothing whatsoever you can do to stop the degeneration of our culture at the hands of the international plot. Stop talking and start organizing the militia

>>13652668
Post your top 5 literature recommendations on said topic.

>>13653779
Same in every other attractice dome, like the one in colone. They only pull a string around the people sitting down to pray, so that tourits don't actually go between the rows to take pics. It's quite literally like a zoo.

But than again, few peole go to the dome in cologne to pray.

>>13653057
Regulative ideal only, Fichte concedes the impossibility of this, we can only ever strive to do it

kill myself ( I am the Godhead ( this is the solution to all problems ))

>>13656922
last thing in the world i would expect anyone to bring up in this thread is software defined radios lmao
kickass

>>13658057
lmao

>>13653764
Chinese and American tourists are the worst. Americans are fucking loud and obnoxious, making stupid jokes among themselves the whole time. Went to some place where you had to have a tour guide (I usually dont do guided tours), and the Americans make it their imperative to become best friends with the guide. Always talking about themselves or telling stupid stories to them.

>>13658243
What are you reading now?

Civilisation will fall soon. Very soon. Sooner than predicted. All smart devices will fall dead and be used for bigger things. It won't be mad Max, more like permt lockdown

First, stop coming here.

>>13653579
>iPhone retard
>ducking
Exposed.

>>13653764
>chinese tourists are disgusting, they dont respect queues
>muh veneto stato
Please stop pretending that disrespecting lines is anything less than complete assimilation into Italian culture.

>>13658447
Went to Italy this holiday this is the most respectul people I've seen in Europe after London and the underground.

>>13650822
Is there any literature on this current phenomenon?

>>13658459
Yeah, I've heard they were pretty cool in the south too. They change by region though. The venetians do not respect lines. I like them enough to live with them, but this is a fact.

Why would you want to?

>>13651411
*sips
Yeah, back in the days people used to take pictures with cameras not with their phones.
*sips

>>13652668
>when humility is the precondition for an authentic encounter with nature in the first place.
This. Nice post.

>>13656721
>Anyways, clearly a vast majority of lit are miserable antisocial people who see people enjoying themselves on their phones
lost me there.
>enjoying themselves on their phones
kek
>obviously just stem from a subconscious jealously
maybe you're the one that's jealous of people who actually pay attention to their surroundings instead of being mindlessly glued to their smartphones ("enjoying themselves")

>>13652627
It's different.
We are social, we talk to each other, but it's very different from facebook where you sign up with your real name, post real pictures of yourself and try to build your image. 4Chan might be social media in a very broad sense, but not it's not social media as most people understand it.
Forums for example existed long before Facebook but noone called them social media.

>>13658407
No way, civilization will spread further and further. It's just going to be Chinese-style surveillance civilization rather than whatever enlightenment meme you've fallen for.

>>13652877
It's a status symbol. Plebs can't afford a house or boat, but everyone can spend 800 bucks if he saves money or takes a loan.
As long as men and women want to have sex things like this will happen.

>>13656092
I'm depressed and watching televisions just hurts. Bad. Hanging out with someone, or even just reading this forum helps. Television feels empty and makes me want to jump off a bridge.

>>13658472
Feed by MT Anderson

>>13658636
>everyone can spend 800 bucks if he saves money
The thing is, you don't even need to. All the carriers conveniently have lease agreements in place, so you only need to have your $25 bucks by the end of the month. They even have the protective cases available on monthly installment plans. I can think of three potential reasons smartphones are incentivized so strongly:
>The real money comes from the actual service plan, and a phone lease agreement helps keep customers locked in
>They really want to be able to get your data: location, biometrics, etc., and the greater processing power makes it easier and increases what they can get out of you.
>They really want to be able to shove ads down your throat. App store access helps with this

>>13652668
This is an incredibly based post, and /lit/core as fuck.

Smartphones are just the tendrils of sentient capitalism in our minds as the AI prepares its rise. Trying to resist is futile. Embrace it.

>>13652871
Solar is trash. The only thing that could replace oil is fusion and there is zero guarantee we manage to master the technology in time (if ever).

>>13653574
Mush is apparently very painful for elephant. The testosterone overload leads to severe imbalance in the production of dermal oil which causes inflamation.

>>13653652
based

>>13653779
Due to the revolution French churches belong to the state which can force many things thanks to that. There was thus a debate about turning a number of churches into mosques a few years ago to accomodate the new French.

>>13654376
The first vid is an elephant in mush. You can see the discharge and he was put in a pit to prevent him running amok.

>>13651029
based

>>13652668
In the end, the phase of nature for the plebeians arrives, with the breakout of the masses, the common people everywhere with or without their automobiles, the travel agencies, the dopolavori, and all the rest; nothing is spared. The naturists and nudists form the extreme of this phenomenon. The beaches — teeming insect-like with thousands and thousands of male and female bodies, offering to the glance an insipid, almost complete nudity — are another symptom. Still another is the assault on the mountains by cable cars, funiculars, chair lifts, and ski lifts. All this is part of the regime of final disintegration of our epoch. There is no point in dwelling on it

>>13656036
>When radio became prevalent you had people crying about the fall of people getting together to just sing some songs together.

Those people were right. Radios, like smartphones, are one of the factors that lead step by step to our current atomized society.

>>13656053
Yeah no. There plenty of random people starting a conversation with when i visited Poland. The only cold thing about the Slavs is the lack of commercial smiles (same as the French).

I really dont see the problem with smartphones. They have many benefits over old phones. People staring at their phones all the time isnt a big issue either, what are they supposed to do when they dit in a train, without their friends.
Most of the things you criticise are just things normies always did. If there were no phones they would just take puctures with a camera and show them to their normie friends at work.

>>13658996
Perhaps the best line of approach to this historical phenomenon may be found by turning our attention to a visual experience, stressing one aspect of our epoch which is plain to our very eyes. This fact is quite simple to enunciate, though not so to analyse. I shall call it the fact of agglomeration, of “plenitude.” Towns are full of people, houses full of tenants, hotels full of guests, trains full of travellers, cafes full of customers, parks full of promenades, consulting-rooms of famous doctors full of patients, theatres full of spectators, and beaches full of bathers. What previously was, in general, no problem, now begins to be an everyday one, namely, to find room.

..

The components of the multitudes around us have not sprung from nothing. Approximately the same number of people existed fifteen years ago. Indeed, after the war it might seem natural that their number should be less. Nevertheless, it is here we come up against the first important point. The individuals who made up these multitudes existed, but not qua multitude. Scattered about the world in small groups, or solitary, they lived a life, to all appearances, divergent, dissociate, apart. Each individual or small group occupied a place, its own, in country, village, town, or quarter of the great city. Now, suddenly, they appear as an agglomeration, and looking in any direction our eyes meet with the multitudes. Not only in any direction, but precisely in the best places, the relatively refined creation of human culture, previously reserved to lesser groups, in a word, to minorities. The multitude has suddenly become visible, installing itself in the preferential positions in society. Before, if it existed, it passed unnoticed, occupying the background of the social stage; now it has advanced to the footlights and is the principal character. There are no longer protagonists; there is only the chorus.

..

In this way what was mere quantity—the multitude — is converted into a qualitative determination: it becomes the common social quality, man as undifferentiated from other men ..

>>13659015
Smartphones breed passivity. The vast majority of folks are mindlessly browsing social media or brainlessly playing some "puzzle" game like Candy Crush. Occasionally they read news or check sport scores, but infinite access to the internet means they don't have the patience to do anything but skim.
>what are they supposed to do when they dit in a train, without their friends
Almost anything else. People watch, look out the window, strike a conversation with a stranger, or purposely read something. The first two are especially important, as actively viewing people and the landscape is necessary to contextualize contemplation on society. Between smartphones on public transit and freeways offering no good view of the city or its neighborhoods, this is becoming dangerously rare. People don't even know their own metropolitan areas anymore.
>If there were no phones they would just take puctures with a camera and show them to their normie friends at work
Better in every way. They'd have to actively choose what gear they were getting, and as a camera's only purpose is to shoot photographs, they'd be much conscious of what they were shooting and how they were framing it.

>>13659111
>Almost anything else. People watch, look out the window, strike a conversation with a stranger, or purposely read something. The first two are especially important, as actively viewing people and the landscape is necessary to contextualize contemplation on society. Between smartphones on public transit and freeways offering no good view of the city or its neighborhoods, this is becoming dangerously rare. People don't even know their own metropolitan areas anymore.
>>13659015
Prior to smartphones being the thing they are now, I used to make sure I'd have a few things to have real good ponder over if I were making a long trip or walking a good distance. You often find there are things you needs to ponder over regardless, you don't realise it until you have or make time.

>>13652747
It won't choke on it's own shit.
It will adapt to it, reprocess the shit, then market the reprocessed shit back to the drone-like consumer. The consumer will not be able to recognize said reprocessed shit, and embrace it as "new and trendy". It's the way the great unwashed masses have been programed to function. Corporate marketing strategies using social media are strong, they know the human psyche too well, and consumers are played like a violin.
Capitalism will survive, in one corrupted fashion or another. It will adapt, either in a socialist way, a fascist way, a dictatorial way, even some weird vegan, eco-feminist, Walden Pond, brave new world, fueled by Soma, it will survive.

>>13659003
The main thing I hate is this looking down on others business that came with it. Were the young guys singing songs on the corner way way back the best singers you'll ever hear? No, but that was your entertainment and you took it, you allowed people to be not great and practice and fail and then succeed. Now people are much more vicious to each other, Cowell on those talentless TV shows is merely playing a role to embody this nasty sentiment. The result is that people are less capable and enjoy shit a lot less, they're fussy and often have unrealistically high or incredibly weird expectations.

>>13652668
READ LINKOLA
KILL CATS
KILL YOURSELF

>>13659199
Yes you touch on a phenomenon I've noticed that I've always had trouble articulating. I swear one day I'll coin a neologism for it. Its not just hedonic adaption.

I'll give an example: you know how your standards for "entertainment" change during a power outage? Its like, when you know your desires are "capped" (no internet, no games, nothing), something in you is able to slow down. Soon as the power comes back on, you jack right baxk into the Mainframe.

The more stuff available, the less willing you'll be able to settle for the stuff you used to HAVE to settle for. That's why this is all is fucking insidious: this shitshow isn't just making our desires artificial and unattainable, they project them backwards into the past, as if this is what we would have always wanted if we just had the technology and energy infrastructure to achieve it. It becomes completely inescapable.

>>13653209
Xenophon's On Horsemanship taught me to always stand by an animals shoulder so they can't bite you (standing or leading in front) or kick you with their hind legs (standing or leading behind).

>>13653574
>having 60 times more testosterone than normal
It's 2019 anon, you can leave humanity behind.

>>13653652
>handbag cope
>i-it's worth it for the upcummies

>>13654666
>>13655201
>reading on public transport
>not thinking deep thoughts unencumbered with an absent thousand yard stare that scares other people from sitting next to you
Poothetic

>>13652668
Good post. Makes me wonder what the rebutle should be. "By commercializing everything, it loses the uniqueness you initially sought to commoditize" or "Shouldnt it be more important to focus on the experience?"

Anyone reading this and wanting more similar should read Percy Shelleys poems, especially Alastor.

>>13652668
Turns out photographs do steal your soul, damn native americans. Don’t know what the fuck you’re on about with proles though.

>>13659472
Alastor is a strange poem. What do you think the central point was? I wasn't clear myself

>>13656132
Perhaps it's you who is alienated from your commercial nature. In all societies people have bargained, merchandised, traded, and on-sold goods between eachother. Every person in ancient and pre-modern societies was a part-time trader and reseller of goods. You are the odd person out by denying this innate part of human nature to sell and trade with other human beings that has been part of our essence ever since the division of labour (which likely predates our evolution from apes). You're the one alienated from your economic-relations nature.

>>13652973
I didn't take a picture of the crowd, but the Fushimi Inari shrine has this path with a million torii on it and there was a big circle of people standing at the end of it just waiting for long enough pause in the flow of people coming down the path to get a picture without people in it, like this one. This pic I just pulled off of google because I'm too lazy to go digging through my old vacation photos, but all pictures of it pretty much look the same.

>>13659529
Just go play some Star Fox, same deal.

>>13654666
>newspapers are basically the same thing as a smartphone

you're not a smart one

>>13653215
And this, my summer child, is how oppresion begins; be it communist, socialist, dictatorial, whatever flavor it be. Appealing to the percieved crimes against the "have-nots", encouraging them to start a revolution that will eventually enslave them, rather than bring them equality and freedom.
These are the words of the Bolsheviks that gave you the curse of the dark days of the Soviets.

>>13653218
The elephant knows it's personal space.
It don't need no skanky bitches in it's face.

>>13650822
Global warming will stop it for us.

>>13658991
>contribute to prolofigate system that endorses abominations like homosexuals
t. semi-literate internet fascist

>>13653779
Religion is now a commodity to be sold, traded, and marketed.
I was at a bbq recently, an aquatances son was planning on going to a Southern Baptist bible college, and becoming a minister. The discussion was all about the young mans magnetic personallity and public speaking skills, and how much money he could make having his own "ministry". All about 6 figure paychecks, speaker fees disguised as "love offerings", and selling inspirational books and CD's. Nothing was mentioned about spirituality or Jesus, or God. All about the $$$.

>>13659621
>my sacred cows how dare you aaaaaa

>>13652871
iea are such fucking retards lmao

>>13656132
>I can smell how the usury has replaced everyone's blood.
Exquisite prose right here. I love this line.

>>13659589
Using "perceived" and "have-nots" is a dishonest attempt to frame their complaints as merely an attempt steal from the rich. You can prosecute guilty people and war racketeers without another bolshevik terror. Using the state against those who embezzled funds or were bribed isn't a slippery slope bound to result in lev bronstein pillaging the nation. If you want to be reductive about state power or collectivism go watch jordan peterson.

>What is /lit/'s plan to stop smartphone culture?

>>13652747
Capitalism is merely the expression of human economy, and no system will ever replace it because no other system matches the psychology of the human as individual or as group quite so well. The ultimate conclusion to be drawn from the failure of communism is as much that humans failed communism as communism failed humans.

You merely wait for humans to choke on their own shit, but you underestimate the historically proven human capacity to eat shit yet still survive.

>>13656354
4chan is social media.

>>13650822
Simple. Make cooler shit that makes you forget you have a phone.

>>13659385
based

Smartphones are tools. Just use yours to read and consume good content instead of zombieing away on social media.

>>13660793
Deleting that shit was the best decision I ever made. Now, my goal; as far as digital socializing, is to be a positive voice in the /lit/ community. It's perfect: you get to feel good, I get to feel good, and we never have to face each other, or anything. It's perfect.

>>13659385
nice post friend

>>13652817
>I doubt any company would allow you to climb without any relevant experience. It's just not something you decide to do for some fun holidays casually
this couldnt be further from the current truth lmao. most everest deaths are unprepared tourists that are first time mountaineers

ITT: seething boomers

Shut the fuck up you old, sad fucks, and realize that literally every generation before has complained about something the new generation is doing, society isn’t declining, it’s always been this way.

>>13652668
Capped.

>>13661354
M8, that's not Everest in the pic. It just reminded anon of it.
>>13652823

>>13659630
American spirituality seems like a nightmare right now. European priest are currently veering towards the brainlet except for a few people in the higher rungs, but at least they seem sincere.

>>13660469
Capitalism != free commerce. We can have a sustainable economy without all the usury, interest rates, plastic shit, etc.

I don't own a smartphone. I'm 23. But I think I should not care if others use smartphones. FC makes some compelling points in "Industrial Society and its Future". There's just no point in trying to reform society (in this case, by "solving" smartphone culture), we need a revolution which would destroy a significant chunk technology altogether, globally (which is one of the upsides of globalisation and the internet: it might act as a combustive agent for revolutions, catastrophes and so forth).

"Industrial Society and its Future" also has interesting assumptions about how larger scale changes of societies might work. Hint: not by small changes (they either amount to nothing because they are just a manifestation of a larger trend and therefore will be lost "in the tides of history", whereas large scale changes, i.e. reforms, which could actually transform society comprehensively, on the other hand, would necessitate changing many of the subsystems of the superstructure of systems in which we operate, and therefore might yield a new superstructure which would not correspond with the utopian superstructure you wanted; i.e. such changes are generally considered unpredictable by FC). Read "Industrial Society and its Future" if you're interested.

Something I found interesting in this thread is that some anons seem to have the notion of "boomers" usually being the ones refusing to take part in smartphone culture.
I have gathered some conflicting anecdotes as a European. The people here Americans probably would refer to as boomers are quite literally addicted to their smartphones, maybe even more so than the youth (I suspect it might have to do with age related loneliness; plus maybe hormonal/epigenetic changes induced by lack of exercise, unhealthy eating habits etc.); but the few people I know who don't use smartphones are actually younger people who actively decided against it. Maybe the situation is different in the US or other regions of the world, though. My anecdotal evidence most likely is skewed as I'm not quite the people person (who would have guessed). Let's see how things turn out in the next few years.

>>13653200
Negative XP's "Scott Pilgrim Ruined an Entire Generation of Women"

>>13657155
Based roachdog jr

>>13650822
>not writing literature that takes advantages of smartphones

>>13661839
You can't say anything of substance in a tweet.

>>13661642
You are mistaken, shooter is just a parodic-ironic roleplay of the 20-something “seething incel”, simultaneously sincere and insincere, too comic to take itself seriously, tongue in cheek, etc

>>13658057
Hahahaha

>>13655757
>>13656006
>>13656132
>>13656092
>when capitalism consumes the human soul

>>13656132
The problem with the world stems from giving women the same rights as men, and the pro-black/race-mixing agenda. How can you expect humanity in an individual who thinks the production of a sub-human mutt is acceptable or even preferable. Or who thinks women voting or working is a net positive? Anyone who has such opinions permeates a foul aura around them and make everyday interactions fake.

>>13661856
Sounds like a writing exercise you failed at

>>13659409
ONE DAY YOU MAY

>>13661839
> literature that takes advantages of smartphones
That's Rupi Kaur.

>>13658617
Maybe. One of the two will happen. I sure hope its your idea.

>>13661971
the thing thats ironic is actually ironic of irony in which in itself is just irony which can be quiet ironic

>>13662425

>>13650822
Writing pamphlets
>>13662263

>>13660817
Comfy post. I feel like since the 'people you identify on lit' thread and this one, the board's been great these past 3 days.

>>13653691
>a manmade shithole made for the purpose of commerce
what in fucks name made you think a floating pile of shit was sacred?

>>13663168
Could I ask you for a link to the 'people you identify on lit' thread?

>>13664806

>>13640781

>>13658057
Should have gone to Tristan da Cunha
https://tristandc.com/newsoldyearsnight.php?yr=2019

>>13660968
narrow-minded and foolish. rethink the situation.

>>13652668
Nice post, anon. I recommend you pic rel, as it conveys the entirety of your post. Have a nice day.

>>13650822
All you really need is a few EMPs over major American/European/Asian cities. Then when the net gets back on ban most apps.

The Hasidim got it right, make your smartphone retarded, get married at 19, have 8 kids, be happier.

>>13652533
Did Trump eat BoJo ir did BoJo eat Trump?

>>13661856
I take only 4 characters to write logos.

>>13666340
>logos
that's five characters moron

>>13666349
Not if you're attuned with the impermanence of the "s".

>>13652527
This is one of the many manifestations of human mating behaviour. You can look at it cynically and see it as disgusting and nihilistic. Or with some imagination and a change of perspective, you can see it as absurd in a funny way, or even beautiful and inspiring.

Honestly the Ted Kaczynski neoluddite aesthetic is cliche and low effort.

>>13656721
True, but insightful affirmations can come from a personal personality flaw. Kant probably wouldnt've written much if any of his books if he wasn't an autistic virgin.

>>13659511
Based

>>13650822
EMP pulse. Fix a bunch of shit.

>>13658636
>as long as men and women want to have sex
Fuck yeah, 4chan is gonna solve this problem for everybody

>>13666963
Based.

-

>>13666963
Bugmanistic and Bluepilled
>>13652647
Based and Redpilled

>>13666963
Holy cringe.

>>13659511
retarded post - rejecting capitalism (particularly digital-driven) is not rejecting exchange

>>13650896
>peak oil
Abiotic Oil Theory is the Final Redpill

>>13666963
forget aesthetics, you're on the wrong layer. yes, it's important to maintain the wide view of human acts and their commonalities across evolutionary history, etc. that's necessary for any critique, "neo-luddite" or otherwise, and it should include the jewels glittering in their subjects, however grimly set. their basic presentation of pathological "innovation" and globalism is totally correct. it attracts edge, but these frameworks are mutually constitutive with the step back you're proposing. no need to shit on something valid to signal your own clear aesthetic bias.

To be honest, I do not know, and am very troubled by the changes that smartphones have done to human life.

Here is my current thinking on it: take it just as some guy's opinion.

Overall, you should learn to view it as if it is an addiction, and try to break the addiction for yourself before you try to free others.

More specifically. first you acknowledge that there is something deeply wrong with it, and something deeply wrong with how we relate to technology in general. Second acknowledge that you are most likely not free from the pull of both the internet and smartphones--still, if you are struggling to gain control of your use of technology, you are on the road to improvement. (This is where I am now). But keep your eyes and minds open and think, think, think, of what exactly is wrong, why exactly it happened, and what exactly would constitute a free relationship to technology. To me, this is the most important philosophical question of the twenty-first century, and as yet no one has shed any light on it.

I think we are like people taking refuge from a snowstorm under a very low wall, trying to keep a paltry fire alive: smartphones, the internet, and technology itself seem to me to be the single greatest thought to human thought (in the sense of long-term sustained focus on a single thing) that has ever been created, and it seems to me that the situation is only growing worse. I am struggling with technology's hold on my very soul, and I think many of you are as well. Stay awake to it, and keep struggling for some light.

>>13668493
>But keep your eyes and minds open and think, think, think, of what exactly is wrong, why exactly it happened, and what exactly would constitute a free relationship to technology. To me, this is the most important philosophical question of the twenty-first century, and as yet no one has shed any light on it.
When telephones were still the primary form of remote communication, you still had to depend on the other person to be in a specific place at a specific time. There was a temporal and spatial aspect to this mode of communication. With smartphones and texting, anyone could be anywhere at anytime. You can't ever fully know if the person on the other end of the line is who you think they are. It's strange. I don't know what the exact implications are, but I think there's probably some negative psychological aspects to this kind of uncertainty in communication.

Great thread, if this was on /pol/ half the posts would be about how it's all the fault of non-whites, the Jews, etc.

>>13660671
4chan is antisocial media

>>13666963
Not all situations can be re-framed

>>13669227
Marxism can be framed in a way that's essentially National Socialism, so I think you're wrong.

>>13668461
>forget aesthetics
Aesthetics is the correct layer. I am attacking this perspective with an alternate perspective. Ted Kaczynski's manifesto can be boiled down to: "this is how I see the world. It makes me feel bad." This is aesthetics. Ted went from "is" statements about the world to "ought" statements about the world, which means he subtly interjected his own preferences.
>it attracts edge.
No. Look at this thread. Everyone is shilling the same outlook on modern society. It would be far edgier to propose that waiting in line for the new iPhone is an act of beauty and a shining example of the human spirit.

>>13669331
>It would be far edgier to propose that waiting in line for the new iPhone is an act of beauty and a shining example of the human spirit
You fucking moron that's exactly what Apple's Advertising & Marketing department persuaded the people waiting in line to think

>>13653764
>i live a couple hours from there
fuck off tourist

>>13652647
incel