/lit/ - Literature

>>13626536
Scum

>>13626541
If you don't make judgements about a group because of personal experience with said group, you're a fucking moron.

"The snake bit me 10 times but I'll keep blindly picking up snakes and treating them like they're harmless".

>>13626554

>NOOOOOOOO THAT'S ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE YOU CAN'T SAY THAT IT'S NOT LOGICAL TO USE ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE THIS INFOGRAPH ON LOGICAL FALLACIES SAYS SO

>>13626554
So you would feel more weary being near a black guy dressed in a nice suit than you would white chavs in hoodies and tracksuit bottoms?

>OH MY GAWD! IT'S CALLED BEING A DECENT HUMAN BEING???? WHAT ABOUT HISTORICAL OPPRESSION???!!! IN THAT CASE, WHITES STOLE TEXAS???!!!! UM TRANS WOMEN *ARE* WOMEN SWEATY! I HAVE THE BRAIN SCAN RESEARCH AND APPEALS TO AUTHORITY TO PROVE IT?????!!

>>13626554
You're the moron if you act on feelings like a bitch

>>13626580
Is the alt right snowflake triggered?

>>13626579

No because clearly I have positive past experiences with suit wearing black men and negative ones with chavs. Surely this isn't that hard to understand?

>>13626598
You sound like a bitch

>>13626599

ok

>>13626554
Snakes are known to be dangerous, you idiot. You didn't get this from picking up snakes but from social programming telling you to stay away from snakes which largely exists because of the collective experience and because of scientific knowledge. If you come across a corn snake or something like that and you're still scared then you're just a retarded pussy.

People are different. There's much more behavioural variance between groups of people than groups of snakes.

>>13626581
>Your experiences are invalid because stereotypes hurt peoples feelings

>>13626619
>Snakes are known to be dangerous, you idiot.

Not at snakes. You're being awfully bigoted towards harmless snakes right now.

>>13626619
>Snakes are known to be dangerous, you idiot
And niggers are known to be violent retards who's first and last action and reaction is violence and I have experiences with them to back it up.

>>13626629
That's not true though lmao. There's a higher percentage of violent criminals among black people than white people but the difference is something like 3-4%.

>>13626644
>There's a higher percentage of violent criminals among black people than white people but the difference is something like 3-4%
Why are you lying on the internet, you know someone can open google and in 30 seconds prove you're lying right?

>>13626654
How am I lying?

>>13626629
okay, keep being a pussy I guess

>>13626536
I hate this argument so very much. My buddy uses it every time I corner him in an argument. It is the essential back stepping, ambiguous, stance to take on an argument.

>>13626554
Getting bit by a snake 10 times in a row is means your experience is no longer merely anecdotal

>>13626675
>Don't cross the street if you see a gang of black teenagers, that would be stereotyping them and that's wrong!
I bet even if they beat you half to death, you'd still refuse to cross the street the next time you saw a group of black teenagers.

>>13626681
And meeting a few dozen women who are whores is enough to say most women are whores.

>>13626680
Your buddy is smarter than you. Phenomenalism is literally brainlet-tier.

>>13626536
>>>/tv/
>>>reddit
You should start getting ready for school, it is starting soon

>>13626627
This

>>13626586
Seeing as you responded negatively to his post, you seem to also be triggered

>>13626554
Snakes aren't even aggressive. You're the common denomination who provokes the snake into biting you.

>>13626695
Kek bad b8

>>13626693
Not really, it’s a false equivalencey. A snake biting you is a natural function of the snake, so it’s something that is unlikely to change between snake. The inner temperament, morals and character of each snake and the reasons for it biting you may be different each time. It’s the latter that you’re angry at women for, the reasons for you being rejected or cheated on are different each time, and therefore can’t be generalised. The only constant in this equation is your incelness.

>>13626703
>duuurrr my argument good because *made up anecdote*!!

Wow, foolproof argument, incredible!

>>13626599
So this is the power of chapo trannies

>>13626704
Being a whore is the natural function of the woman.

>>13626644
>>13626675
Ummmm sweetie, stereotypes are known the accurate.

>>13626687
>people systematically oppressed into ghettos lash out

you don't say.

>>13626704
So this is the power of M'Lady 8 Gates Bankai

>>13626715
stupid phoneposter

>>13626687
>>Don't cross the street if you see a gang of black teenagers, that would be stereotyping them and that's wrong!
Nobody's saying that. When people talk about stereotypes they're talking about taking a minority of a group (lets say black gangsters) to represent the whole group (black people), which has demonstrable negative effects on people belonging to that group who do not fall into the stereotype.

>>13626716
>systemic racism

>>13626711
No, being a whore is an inner state which causally affects natural functions (like sucking a dick or not replying to your text messages). That inner state, like angering a snake until it bites, is provoked by exterior influence. There are people who get bitten by snakes, and there are snake-charmers. You are of the former, less well-endowed category.

>>13626723
You're right and wrong. You can stereotype subgroups like black teenagers and you'll get much more accurate results.

>>13626726
Women only act like whores around men they want because they know that it arouses men.

>>13626723
Not my problem niggers can't keep their house in order.

>>13626733
Exactly, they are the snake-charmers.

>>13626730
You have to take into account what they are wearing, what areas they're from, how they talk/what lingo they use, how they look, etc.

I don't think anybody has a problem with feeling uncomfortable if a group of black teenagers with hoodies and low-hanging jeans looking like gangsters walk towards you across the street. Stereotypes become a problem when the whole group suffers for the actions of a minority; for example, when black people are denied jobs or harassed by police even though they dress and act perfectly normal and have no criminal records.

>>13626536
>if you don't employ a basic logical fallacy for your worldview you must be dumb
>>13626554
>I pick up snakes to know what they are, rather than find out through actual study
>also, for this to work, that would mean I initiated the conflict with the snake, meaning the snake was right to bite me, but I'll still blame it

>>13626753
>logical fallacy
Logical fallacy your way out of getting stabbed

>>13626748
Agreed

>>13626753
>M-MUH LOGICAL FALLACY

>>13626734
You are the person who has disordered their house though

>>13626680
Then stop making incredibly generalised claims about certain populations. It’s not that the “facts” are necessarily wrong (black people commit the most crimes, Jews hold many positions of power, etc) but rather that the narrative you’re trying to serve through them is incredibly damaging to race relations. Most of these narratives rely on the most incredulous inductive leaps in order to maintain, at the very least, a pretence of coherence.

>>13626768
I know you were born into a middle class home and feel guilty and bored so you take up social causes to give your life meaning but some of us actually have to live alongside these animals. Take your limp wristed baby hands off the keyboard and go jerk some nigger cock off in your mouth.

>>13626785
>stop pointing out my culpability in structural evil, if I say some racist and homophobic things will you go away?

>>13626796
>Systemic racism is real!
Fuck off idiot

>>13626698
dude you started a whole thread lmao

>>13626798
WELL THEN WHERE'S MUH 40 ACRES AND MUH MULE WHITE BOI?

>>13626785
>poor person blames blacks for his woes instead of jews
Many such cases, sad!

>>13626644
>30-40%
you dropped some 0s sweatie

>>13626771
>incredibly damaging to race relations.
You know what's *actually* damaging to race relations? Refusing to hold minority communities accountable for the severe problems within them. You're not even allowed to criticize urban culture, which praises promiscuity, drugs, and gang violence and thus sets the role-models for each generation without being accused of "racism." Most of the so-called "racists" you'll see today have no "racial ideology" like the segregationists and Nazis of yesteryear. Rather, they've had repeatedly bad experiences with the black community to the extent where they've reached a breaking point. And even then, most of these people don't treat all blacks the same and have no problem with decent black folk. The discourse only goes one way, which only means that pent-up frustrations are going to get worse as time goes on because of the fact that white people aren't the source of every problem in the world.

>>13626845
Wait, you think 30-40% of black people are violent criminals? Holy shit this is what 4chan and "alternative media" will do to you.

>>13626870
>us white bois dindu nuffin

lol

>>13626870
>god, why after 400 years of oppression aren't these niggers doing as good as us? surely all of the problems should have evaporated in the space of 1-2 generations when black people were given full legal -- but not social -- equality.

>>13626716
>>13626884
>>13626896
According to studies, poverty does not correlate with violence (Pinker 2011: 142; Zimring 2007: 63; Levitt 2004)

Pinker, Steven. 2011. The Better Angels of our Nature: Why Violence has Declined. Viking, New York, NY.
Zimring, Franklin E. 2007. The Great American Crime Decline. Oxford University Press, Oxford.
Levitt, Steven D. 2004. “Understanding Why Crime Fell in the 1990s: Four Factors that Explain the Decline and Six that do Not,” Journal of Economic Perspectives 18.1: 163–190.

>>13626796
>my culpability in structural evil

imagine being a white man and unironically typing this sentence
the cuckery is palpable from across the internet

>>13626880

Are you illiterate or something?

>>13626899
okay

>>13626884
White people gave us civilisation, technology and the modern world that allows even blacks to thrive.

What did blacks themselves do for the past 100,000 years? Wallowed in their own shit, in mud huts and grass skirts. There were no African empires, no African philosophy, no Poetry, no technology or science.

>>13626913
Therefore, we can conclude that the disproportionate rates of poverty amongst blacks is not the cause of their disproportionate violent crime.

>>13626896

Funny thing that even though you're attacking a strawman here, you're still wrong.

>>13626915
Imagine having a life so empty you obsess over what people did over thousands of years ago

>>13626920
Nobody claimed it was just poverty. When Italians were marginalised in America they also had higher rates of crime. Now that they have been assimilated into the culture their crime has drastically decreased.

>>13626920
not all poverty is equal and all we can conclude is what a handful of studies merely suggest.

>>13626884
Most of the white people in the USA are not descended from slaveowners. Even if they were, in what way are they culpable for acts their ancestors did over 150+ years ago? The wealth of United States wasn't built on cotton—it was built on industry. You can't talk about oppression as if it were responsible for black poverty when blacks do a far better job of destroying their own communities than whites could ever hope to achieve.

>>13626896
Full equality has been fully interwoven into the USA's moral consciousness since at least Gen X, and most boomers believe it thoroughly as well. Not a single politician is given a free pass for statements that are explicitly racist, which has reduced race-baiting hucksters to making all sorts of innocuous policies "implicitly racist" in order to keep the scam going.

>>13626932
>in what way are they culpable for acts their ancestors did over 150+ years ago

uh, by participating in a society that is?

>>13626926
What do blacks do now?

What is their great contribution to society? Talking over stolen beats about how they fuck bitches, get money and life in the ghetto be hard and shiiieeet.

>>13626937
what do shitposting NEETs do now?

>>13626929
Blacks refuse to assimilate. They don't want to be part of something bigger, they want to be violent subhumans like they always have been.

The only way you get a decent black is when it's raised by whites from birth or is descended from a black that once was.

>>13626932
Black people were only given LEGAL equality in 1965. That's just LEGAL equality, which says nothing of institutional/social equality. That's only 2 generations separated away from us, and you expect all of their problems to have simply disappeared.

It's like breaking somebody's toe before a marathon and then berating them for not catching up to you.

>>13626945
and I bet you wank over your fantasy ethnostate almost every day

>>13626942
500% less rape, murder and violent crimes than niggers.

>>13626945
I can't believe I used to think this was a high IQ board, holy shit. You are fucking differently abled my friend. I can't imagine the cheeto-breath fat lump of autistic virginity that was behind this post. Fuck me.

>>13626951
I really don't care.

But blacks are scum, through and through, only a delusional idiot would deny it.

>>13626961
because they're too out of shape to leave the house and just soak in tax welfare. At least niggers make license plates in prison.

>>13626964
yeah they're almost as bad as white people

>>13626967
>Blacks who rape, kill, steal and beat are better than NEETs who mind their own business because REEEE PRODUCTIVITY TO SOCIETY
Jesus christ, stop drinking all that black cum

>>13626975
stay mad lol

>>13626973
t. A white guy

Why do you hate being white?

>>13626963
>You are fucking differently abled my friend
The word is "disabled" faggot. As in, "that faggot over there in the wheelchair is disabled". As in, "he can't do things normal people can, he's not 'differently abled' he's FUCKING DISABLED RETARD".

>>13626912
What?

>>13626986
>The word is "disabled" faggot. As in, "that faggot over there in the wheelchair is disabled". As in, "he can't do things normal people can, he's not 'differently abled' he's FUCKING DISABLED RETARD".


>NOOOOO YOU SAD THE BAD WORD

>>13626980
No one's mad retard, just taken aback at your sheer self hatred and worship of blacks.

>>13626936
>America is a racist society.
>Why? Because the people are racist.
>The people don't have racist beliefs?
>Actually, they are racist because they participate in a racist society.
>Thus America is a racist society. QED
Try harder with the circular reasoning brainlet.

>>13626947
A lot can happen in two generations. Unfortunately, despite anti-racism becoming the default moral standard for society, the black-white inequality gap has only widened. Why do you think that is?

Actually, here's a better question. After how many generations should we cease using the "recently given full legal rights" argument as the excuse for dysfunctional black communities?

Reminds me of the time when I plotted "social capital index" (a measure of crime, charity, etc. that's supposed to indicate a "healthy society") against diversity (the probability of sampling two people of different race from one another), and income. Guess which factor had the higher r^2 coefficient?

>>13626975
To which category do black NEETs belong? Are they a danger, or simply a waste of space?

>>13626619
Snakes are not that dangerous you dumbass.

>>13626998
>study discounts Asians because it would show on avg they are wealthier than whites

>>13627039
America is an Asian supremacist society.

>>13626998
>Actually, here's a better question. After how many generations should we cease using the "recently given full legal rights" argument as the excuse for dysfunctional black communities?
I don't fucking know, but the idea that a community's sociological problems will disappear in the space of two generations after 400 years of slavery, oppression, discrimination, redlining, segregation, etc. is ridiculous. If you're born into a poor community with all of these sociological problems you're more likely to be poor and embody those same problems yourself; this is beyond fucking obvious.

I have no doubts that black people are generally inferior. If the artificial inequalities were rectified the wealth inequality will undoubtedly remain. But the proposition that the community who has been so callously mistreated for CENTURIES in America can just throw off all of their sociological problems without some form of investment, reparations, whatever you want to call it, into their communities, education, jobs, healthcare, etc. is blatant WHITE SUPREMACISM.

>>13626996
Except your original premise was about societal contribution except now it doesn't matter because you got btfo and literally reed lmao seek help

>>13627062
>a community's sociological problems will disappear in the space of two generations after 400 years of slavery, oppression, discrimination, redlining, segregation, etc. is ridiculous.
Why not? During the same timespan since the end of segregation, Singapore grew from a colonial backwater and a political pariah to one of the richest, most prosperous countries in the world.

>But the proposition that the community who has been so callously mistreated for CENTURIES in America can just throw off all of their sociological problems without some form of investment, reparations, whatever you want to call it, into their communities, education, jobs, healthcare, etc. is blatant WHITE SUPREMACISM.
Holding the expectation that the black community shouldn't torch itself is white supremacism? To be honest, it seems like you're the one holding white supremacist beliefs by acting if blacks are determined to be inferior.

>>13626986
No I just hate embarrassing shitposters like you

>>13626998
That's not circular reasoning my man, racial privledge does still exist

>>13627082
>Why not?
Uh economics among other factors

>>13627082
>the black community shouldn't torch itself
Ever heard of the Tulsa race riots

>>13627096
It sounds like you don't have a good explanation for why Singapore was able to overcome a history of oppression while the black community wasn't. What are the "economics" of black communities *declining* in the midst of the Civil Rights acts?

>>13627093
>society is racist because society is race, even if the individuals that makeup the society are not racist, even if anti-racism is woven into the moral fabric of said society
great logic brainlet

>>13627082
>Why not? During the same timespan since the end of segregation, Singapore grew from a colonial backwater and a political pariah to one of the richest, most prosperous countries in the world.
I explained why. ("If you're born into a poor community with all of these sociological problems you're more likely to be poor and embody those same problems yourself; this is beyond fucking obvious.")
>Holding the expectation that the black community shouldn't torch itself is white supremacism?
No, holding the view that this is possible without financial and educational support is ridiculous. Invest in black neighbourhoods and schools, and things will get better.
>To be honest, it seems like you're the one holding white supremacist beliefs by acting if blacks are determined to be inferior.
Black people, IN GENERAL, are inferior. Not every black person, just in general. Holding this view doesn't make me a white supremacist. Supremacy is defined as power or authority over somebody else. If it were up to me I would give black people reparations for their mistreatment by way of investing in their communities. How is that a white supremacist proposition?

>>13627105
Singapore is an entirely different scenario, anecdotal evidence doesn't work exclusively in your favour

>>13627105
>> society is race, even if the individuals that makeup the society are not racist, even if anti-racism is woven into the moral fabric of said society
Who are you quoting that's literally the opposite of what I said

>>13627112
>No, holding the view that this is possible without financial and educational support is ridiculous.
And yet Singapore did it all on their own...
>Invest in black neighbourhoods and schools, and things will get better.
Stop begging others to fix your shit for you and drag you up to their level, get your shit together and put the work in if you want better schools and neighbourhoods.

>>13627128
Exactly, Singapore was left alone not trying to function within a negative community

>>13627131
Man, imagine if black people were left alone with their own land. Imagine what wonders they'd accomplish if they could just escape from all these damn racists...

>>13627128
>Stop begging others to fix your shit for you and drag you up to their level, get your shit together and put the work in if you want better schools and neighbourhoods.
And again, even after slavery you had shit like the KKK burning down black neighbourhoods for no reason, idiot

>>13627143
Not an argument, my boy.

>>13627128
>And yet Singapore did it all on their own...
I don't know about fucking Singapore, but I'm willing to bet that Singaporians aren't a poor minority community in their country that went through centuries of oppression and in the space of two generations, with no financial help from anyone, pulled themselves up by their bootstraps and became wealthy. That could be the case, but I'd be willing to bet my life that it's not.
>Stop begging others to fix your shit for you and drag you up to their level, get your shit together and put the work in if you want better schools and neighbourhoods.
This is what society and community is, everyone working together to make life better for everyone else. No single person is able to solve deep sociological problems on their own. You have a very shallow view of how the world works. Maybe you want to read up on determinism.
Again, this is like stabbing someone in the leg before you run a race and then saying "bro dont expect handouts if you deserved to win this race you would have won it. just pull yourself up by the bootstraps and catch up to me."

>>13627103
>Tulsa race riots
oh boy some shit happened nearly a hundred years ago, this must be why black communities are still smoldering ruins.

>>13627146
>And again, even after slavery you had shit like the KKK burning down black neighbourhoods for no reason, idiot
holy shit did they burn down ALL of the black neighborhoods??? fuck man that SUCKS. that must be why every urban center from Baltimore to East St. Louis is a rundown shithole, damn KKK burned the place down and evil whitey stopped the blacks from rebuilding.

>>13627117 >>13627112
>I explained why. ("If you're born into a poor community with all of these sociological problems you're more likely to be poor and embody those same problems yourself; this is beyond fucking obvious.")
>Singapore is an entirely different scenario, anecdotal evidence doesn't work exclusively in your favour
And yet these problems did not apply to the Asian tiger economies for some reason, despite suffering from centuries of European and Japanese colonialism and even a full-fledged *world war*. Why do you think that is?

>No, holding the view that this is possible without financial and educational support is ridiculous. Invest in black neighbourhoods and schools, and things will get better.
"need mo' money fo' dem programs" lol you think this shit is going to be fixed by throwing money at it? the problems go far deeper than that. black schools already get far more federal funding than white schools and they're still doing poorly. giving black kids ipads isn't going to solve racial inequality. if you are an intelligent, hard-working black kid, then your world is your oyster as universities, companies, and the government will throw every resource it has at you so you can succeed.

>>13627126
racial privilege isn't real.

>>13627131
lol Singapore was subjected to brutal Japanese war crimes during WW2. hell, the only reason it's an independent country is because it was expelled from the Malaysian confederation out of racism. and before all of that, it was under British colonial rule for centuries. you don't know a fucking thing.

>Not an argument, my boy.
forgive him, it's not like you're giving much for him to work with.

>>13627148
It literally is. Blacks have their own land, Africa, and where's their great nations like Singapore?

>>13626536
Unironically high IQ, your thinking is superstitious and completely irrational.

>>13627159
>oh boy some shit happened nearly a hundred years ago, this must be why black communities are still smoldering ruins
It was a pretty big financial center and that's not that long ago

>>13627159
>racial privilege isn't real
Okay retard

>>13627159
>Singapore was subjected to brutal Japanese war crimes during WW2. hell, the only reason it's an independent country is because it was expelled from the Malaysian confederation out of racism. and before all of that, it was under British colonial rule for centuries. you don't know a fucking thing
Yeah and so you can clearly see how Singapore is not comparable at all to blacks in America. Thanks for making my argument for me, moron.

>>13627163
>Africa suxxx cuz its not like Europe enough

Okay

>>13627152
>I don't know about fucking Singapore, but I'm willing to bet that Singaporians aren't a poor minority community in their country that went through centuries of oppression and in the space of two generations, with no financial help from anyone, pulled themselves up by their bootstraps and became wealthy. That could be the case, but I'd be willing to bet my life that it's not.
You are so wrong and clueless lmfao it's not even funny. Being a poor minority community (Chinese & Indian) in their country (Malaysia & the Malay people) is the whole reason why they became independent in the first place. And it wasn't by their own choice. Malaysia cut them off from the natural resources of the country and kicked them out.

>>13627180
>It was a pretty big financial center
What is stopping the creation of a new black financial center?
>and that's not that long ago
It happened 98 years ago. That's at least 4 generations of distance.

>Okay retard
Actually, you're right, I'm wrong. Only black and hispanic racial privilege exists because of their protected status.

>>13627193
>Yeah and so you can clearly see how Singapore is not comparable at all to blacks in America. Thanks for making my argument for me, moron.
What are you talking about? Both situations are easily comparable if you have at least a triple digit IQ. If anything, Singapore had it worse and yet they still did far better.

>>13627197
Africa has NOTHING, NOTHING. No major cities, no wealth, no technology, nothing comes out of Africa except immigrants.

>>13627159
>"need mo' money fo' dem programs" lol you think this shit is going to be fixed by throwing money at it?
Yes. All of the studies I've read show that investing in education in poor communities has a positive effect.
>black schools already get far more federal funding than white schools and they're still doing poorly.
This is a crock of shit. Did you just make this up? I'm guessing you worked backwards from your conclusion (my narrative tells me the left is in control of everything, the left hates whites, therefore black schools receive more funding than white schools)?

The way school districts work in America is through estate tax. If a district is rich and the houses cost more, more funding will be given to the schools. This effectively means that rich areas have good schools and poor areas have poor schools, and this is built into the system. This is also why rich people oppose making a single school district, because they dont want their tax money going to fund poor schools.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/02/27/us/education-funding-disparity-study-trnd/index.html
>giving black kids ipads isn't going to solve racial inequality. if you are an intelligent, hard-working black kid, then your world is your oyster as universities, companies, and the government will throw every resource it has at you so you can succeed.
You have such a naive view of the world it is ridiculous. Again, read up on determinism; people are a product of biology and their environment.

>>13627199
How is a couple of years of enslavement anything at all like what black people in America went through? You're retarded

>>13627204
>D-DOESN'T COUNT!

>>13627211
Tell me about Africa and why it's a success then. Tell me why Africa isn't a shithole?

>>13627215
Nice weather

>>13626536
/lit/ is full of autists that can't form opinions beyond either "anecdotal evidence is always worthless" or "anecdotal evidence is always a convincing factor" unless you get them to fully engage in the discussion until they refuse the two extremes.
Most of you default to absolutistic thinking, because it requires less energy.

Don't get me wrong, I do it too; I'd just never do it with a topic as fucking basic as "anecdotes hold gradual importance." I fucking hate you npcs.

>>13627215
great people

>>13627225
You sound like a bitch

>>13627226
Are you serious?

>>13627234
Are you racist?

>>13627241
Yes

>>13627247
That's not good

>>13627207
Singapore went through centuries of British colonialism, suffered the brutality of Japanese occupation (where tens of thousands of Singaporeans were killed in war crimes), and was cut off from even its own water supply in the wake of its expulsion from Malaya. Honestly, I think it's safe to say that Singapore did not have the best of circumstances to build one of the wealthiest city-states the world has ever known in about the span of a generation. And yet they did it anyway.

>>13627206
>Yes. All of the studies I've read show that investing in education in poor communities has a positive effect.
Share those studies.

Throwing money at a problem usually doesn't fix it. See nearly every dollar spent on foreign aid (and the blowback it often causes).

>This is a crock of shit. Did you just make this up?
See pic-related.

>I'm guessing you worked backwards from your conclusion (my narrative tells me the left is in control of everything, the left hates whites, therefore black schools receive more funding than white schools)?
Sounds like you're projecting.

>You have such a naive view of the world it is ridiculous. Again, read up on determinism; people are a product of biology and their environment.
Biological and environmental differences? That must be why Singapore is doing so well while the black community has been doing worse and worse. Again, your worldview, not mine.

>>13627252
Colonialism is not the same thing

>>13627257
It's comparable. muh oppression, amirite?

>>13627262
Uh huh

okay racists in this thread now that you told every other white boy here you hate blacks now it's time to go up to a black man in real life and tell them how you really feel get it off your chest in real life :)

>>13627285
I don't hold any hostile feelings towards blacks.

>>13627296
That's not what you said in this thread

>>13627271
you've been BTFO'd, next

>>13627301
Where?

>>13627298
I'm not the same guy who's been shitposting "I hate blacks."

>>13627305
But you're a racist

>>13627304
Everywhere. You're out of your element. You have no arguments. You can hardly muster enough energy to finish the most meager of thoughts. You're done.

>>13627311
No I'm not. The people who are arguing against me have been more "racist" than me. Hell, one person even stated that biology to some extent is the reason why blacks are inferior and thus need more welfare support. I've made no such claim.

The only claim I make is that the black community has been largely responsible for its own calamities, and that society has failed to hold them accountable for their own problems. Because of this, the black community has only been declining despite massive social resources sent their way over the past half century.

>>13627319
Whatever helps you cope, seems everything you've said has been rebuked to the point where you're throwing in the towel

>>13627340
Behold, the post of a man who has been utterly BTFO.

>>13627340
>gets shown historical evidence & department of education figures
>reduced to vague one-liners, can't even complete a thought at this point
>"no y-y-you're coping"
lol I haven't thrown in the towel. You stopped giving me anything to work with, probably because you've been utterly destroyed.

>>13626870
>refusing to hold minority communities accountable
That’s because these communities are also criticising the pervasive violence that cements social stratification. No one is saying that poverty makes noble people, just that there a lot of factors at play rather than just “niggers lol”. You keep making a faulty leap whenever you try and imply that the community is standing by the actions committed by individual members, when that’s totally untrue. Addressing structural limitations that are the result of racial disparities will at least help to illuminate the dire conditions that give rise to violence and instability in the first place

>>13627206
>This is a crock of shit. Did you just make this up?
Schools get funding from multiple areas. Inner city schools get state and federal grants, as well as charitable donations. Some of the best funded schools are in ghettos. They complain about old text books because their pupils tear up text books into unreadable scraps every year. Old text books are perfectly fine if you have pupils that behave.
>This is also why rich people oppose making a single school district, because they dont want their tax money going to fund poor schools.
Rich people oppose combining school destricts because catchment areas change and then their kids will have to share the school with the violent underclass, which forces them to send them to private school. Essentially they have to pay for schooling twice.

There is no fix to education that will close a 1 s.d. gap
Here's Bill Gates 500 million dollar teach effectiveness study. It flopped:
https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR2242.html

>>13627349
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You can simply argue that colonialism isn't inherently oppressive unlike slavery such as in America. You have failed to make a single convincing point let alone btfo anything.

>>13627364
>That’s because these communities are also criticising the pervasive violence that cements social stratification. You keep making a faulty leap whenever you try and imply that the community is standing by the actions committed by individual members, when that’s totally untrue.
Not really. Nearly every high profile "police brutality" case in the past decade has been wholly misrepresented by the media, from Ferguson to Baltimore. Why? Because the truth (black communities are abnormally violent) goes against the narrative (the police are racist). If you try to criticize degenerate themes in hip hop, you get called a racist. If you question the political correctness narrative, you get called a racist. Not only is the community largely ignoring the root causes of its origins, but it is also actively looking to shirk responsibility for its own problems (racial privilege, police brutality, etc.). And the rest of the country, from academia to the government, is enabling this mentality because to do anything else would be unthinkably "racist" in the current zeitgeist.

>>13627390
You can argue that slavery isn't inherently oppressive, it would just be a weak one. If being treated as second-class citizens under British colonialism and having tens of thousands of people massacred under Japanese colonialism isn't a convincing enough argument for "oppression" for you, then I don't think you will be convinced of anything, sadly.

>>13627390
Colonialism is the excuse they use for the entire continent of Africa. Being black in America is quite literally the best place in the world to be black, excepting Bermuda or some other tax haven.

>>13627405
>You can argue that slavery isn't inherently oppressive
No you can't

>>13627411
Yes you can. It just would be a shit argument and only a brainlet would make it. Same goes for colonialism.

Again, your argument is second-class treatment, resource exploitation, and civilian massacres along racial lines do not fall under the umbrella of "oppression". That's what you've been reduced to. fucking LOL

>>13627424
>Same goes for colonialism.
No, that's just how colonialism ended up

>>13627429
Okay? And your point is? Are you arguing that colonialism in Singapore wasn't oppressive? Or are you just trying to pull an "ackshually" moment to waste my time because you've utterly run out of arguments?

We all know you've effectively thrown in the towel. Admit you're wrong and leave with a shred of dignity instead of wasting our time with nitpicking and contrarian bullshit.

>>13627452
I'm saying black slavery was more damaging to blacks in America today than Singapore colonialism

>>13627461
was to Singapore

>>13627461
>>13627466
And why do you think this?

>>13627475
Well for starters we can already see how fast Singapore recovered. Also they weren't enslaved en masse

>>13626644
>That's not true though lmao.
Did you go to public school?

Would any one here want their kids to go to a school which was >=50% negroe?

>>13627487
How many generations does it take to recover from slavery? 5? 10? 100? Bearing in mind African Americans are some of the richest people on the planet.

>>13627503
now this is some cope

>>13627487
There was no European slave trade in the majority of African countries. Africa got really colonized outside of a few coastal areas well into the 19th century, when no European country practiced slavery,. except possibly Russian Serfdom, but they didn't colonize Africa.

Singapore got independence after India and many African nations yet they are all shit holes but not Singapore. Maybe there is more to this than just colonialism and imaginary but really non-existant slavery?

>>13626599
wtf i love niggers now

>>13627524
We're not talking about Africa, what exactly does it have to recover from? Not being white enough?

>>13627487
>Well for starters we can already see how fast Singapore recovered.
First of all, Singapore didn't "recover"—they prospered far beyond what any Singaporean could have imagined under British, Japanese, and Malayan rule.

And how is differences in outcomes indicative of less oppression? You're working backgrounds from the conclusion of "oppression" must be responsible for the differences instead of analyzing the data and forming a conclusion that best fits. For example, you can point towards intelligent, effective leadership as the chief reason for Singapore's success despite having no natural resources, a history of brutal colonialism, and being cutoff from the mainland in a political struggle with the rest of Malaysia. Was there a lack of this kind of leadership in the black community? Just because there's a difference in outcome does not mean that there was a meaningful difference in oppression.

>Also they weren't enslaved en masse
But they did have up to 20% of their population massacred by the Japanese in a few short years. And they've spent roughly the same amounts of time under colonial rule as the black community has under Jim Crow laws. And they were poorer than the African-American community at the time of independence, too. You have to grasp for straws to claim that the average African-American was worse off than the average Singaporean in 1965.

In short, Singapore came from even humbler standings than the African-American community, and suffered through incomparable injustices of their own, and yet has far surpassed the African-American community in its success.

>>13627524
>they didn't colonize Africa.
lol wut

>>13627532
>>13627487
>Also they weren't enslaved en masse
>>13627461
>I'm saying black slavery was more damaging to blacks in America today than Singapore colonialism

No but you are talking about slavery and blacks, who do come from Africa

>>13626644
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>>13627461
Lmao, this is some pathetic grovelling. Imagine telling yourself this oppression narrative to cope at night instead of realizing you are just a nigger. A dirty, slobbering, violent, nigger.

>>13627541
>And how is differences in outcomes indicative of less oppression?
>why does greater oppression lead to greater oppression

wut

>You're working backgrounds from the conclusion of "oppression" must be responsible for the differences instead of analyzing the data and forming a conclusion that best fits.
no, Im poking holes in your arguments.

>Just because there's a difference in outcome does not mean that there was a meaningful difference in oppression.
Sure but Slavery was still much more oppressive than colonialism and African Americans haven't been given the same amount of opportunity like when colonists left Singaporeans alone.

>>13627541
>in a few short years.
right, as opposed to centuries of institutionalized oppression, durrr

>>13627553
That has little to do with Africa at all though

>>13627554
meanwhile white genocide is real, right?

>>13627544
>Africa got really colonized outside of a few coastal areas well into the 19th century,
Maybe you should read before commenting
my point was when the race for Africa began European weren't practicing slavery.

>>13627588
but then what exactly is so bad with the way African society is structured? You can't relate because they aren't white?

>>13627576
There is some validity to the white genocide theories, but I'm not interested in preserving the white race as much as I am interested in exterminating the inferior races. These include Mexicans, Arabs, Redskins, Eastern Europeans and last but DEFINITELY not least, worthless putrid niggers.

>>13627558
>why does greater oppression lead to greater oppression
lol. If that's what you got from "how are differences in outcomes indicative of less oppression?" then you're begging the question hard.

>no, Im poking holes in your arguments.
begging the question and using circular reasoning isn't a refutation. try again.

>>13627566
>right, as opposed to centuries of institutionalized oppression, durrr
The Japanese killed more Singaporeans, by sum and by proportion, in a span of a few short years than blacks have ever been killed in racially-motivated murders throughout the entire history of the United States. The Sook Ching killings were a genocide.

Anyway, why stop with Singapore? I could start naming tons of ethnic groups that have been through far worse than African-Americans and yet have done much better. Ashkenazi Jews (two millennia of oppression + systemic genocide), Armenians (centuries of oppression + systemic genocide), etc.

>Sure but Slavery was still much more oppressive than colonialism
Why? You have yet to provide any concrete, material reasons why this is the case.

>African Americans haven't been given the same amount of opportunity like when colonists left Singaporeans alone.
White people did leave black people alone to their own devices. That's what we call "white flight". Oh wait, I forgot that leaving blacks alone is also racist. Well, I guess white people are racist either way. :^)

>>13627600
okay

>>13627554
okay racists in this thread now that you told every other white boy here you hate blacks now it's time to go up to a black man in real life and tell them how you really feel get it off your chest in real life :)

>>13627610
>lol. If that's what you got from "how are differences in outcomes indicative of less oppression?" then you're begging the question hard.
That's what you said ;)

>begging the question and using circular reasoning isn't a refutation.
Neither is throwing up fallacies without knowing what they mean

>The Japanese killed more Singaporeans, by sum and by proportion, in a span of a few short years than blacks have ever been killed in racially-motivated murders throughout the entire history of the United States.
That doesn't say anything

>Why?
Colonialism at least tried to bring civilization, slavery is just coercive

>White people did leave black people alone to their own devices.
read a history book

>>13627597
African countries, at least those under English rule, suffered about the same under colonialism as Singapore and Hong Kong.
Yet Singapore and Hong Kong are advanced and beat European nations in many metrics.
All African colonies have regressed to a state where they are not functioning by any serious metric.
Africans seem to be incapable of civilization, this is why Americans are wasting their time.

Zulu, and other African languages do not have any abstract concepts in their language.

>>13627610
white americans are jealous of successful blacks and try to keep them down. See: black wall street

>>13627613
>now that you've revealed you think gorillas are inferior to humans, it's time for you to jump into a gorilla enclosure in your local zoo and fight them barehanded.
White people have already defeated the nigger. If we wanted to we could go in with our armies and occupy the entirety of Africa.

>>13627632
Singapore's a tiny island and Africa's an entire continent, kiddo. Even then, singapore was just colonized by a single culture eventually over the divisions inlaid through colonialism on Africa. Even still this has nothing to do with slavery and its lasting impact in America.

>>13627639
>Africans are inferior because they are african

nice circular reasoning

>>13627631
>J-JUST READ A HISTORY BOOK