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No Plato is overly complex, things get remarkably simpler when you reach Hegel and Kant. You could probably dive into someone like Deleuze right now in fact and just skip Platos falseosophy

>>13626576
Reading Lacan's seminars might help a bit. Just my two cents, OP, take it or leave it.

>>13626582
This. Heidegger and Derrida will be a breeze once you get through Plato. To paraphrase A. N. Whitehead, the history of western philosophy is a collection of footnotes to Plato. Hang in there, Anon!

>mfw when I know that the real Greek genius was that nameless guy who invented reduction to absurdity as part of incommensurability proof, and BTFOd Pythagoreans into infinity, while Socrates and Plato were fucking poseurs and drivel-spewing social parasites

>>13626614
>tfw pythagoreans now get to partake of infinity

>Nabokov said that the astute reader will have figured out the kidnapper
>I didn't

>>13626614
Or the Pythagorean student who was killed because he could prove that the square root of two cannot be expressed as a fraction

>>13628163
>Nabokov ends Pale Fire without telling me exactly what was going on
>I can't figure it out

>>13626576
Plato is where everybody should start on philosophy. It may not be clear because you probably are not be used to the way he writes and thinks, but once you get through that and start understanding what he says, you will have no problem reading almost any philosopher.

>>13628325
I would concur with this. It took me months to fully absorb Plato, but once I did it was all so clear to me.

>>13628341
ok if you're so smart and got Plato then tell me, what the FUCK is the form of good? how to attain complete knowledge of it? i think this is the million dollar question, if we discover the form of good we discover the form of everything becaue everything partakes in Goodness. so tell me straight

>>13626576
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>>13628358
>tfw tried reading The Symposium and everyone else got it but me, who had no idea what was going on

>>13628393
Build your way up with Plato, begin with the early dialogues (the trial and death of socrates) and slowly build into the middle ones like Republic and Symposium before reaching the late dialogues and finally the big boys (Timaeus, Parmenides). I recommend you take notes as you read and try to engage in the dialects, I'd also watch or read some good second hand material (Sadlers series on YouTube is great)

>>13628438
>dialectic***

>>13628438
The order the dialogues are in in that Complete Dialogues is great, starts of easy, then throws in a hard one early (Parmenides), then into the longer ones ending with Republic and Laws, which almost forces you to go back to Parmenides after you're done and think about it again.

>>13626576
>read Plato in original Greek
>get stuck on the simplest shit like translating if it’s a swarm of bees or not in Meno
AHHHHHHHHHH

>>13628177
Dude, that's literally the same thing. Greeks just didn't have a concept of a square root.