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how do I get into art history? where do I start? Do you just start with Greek aesthetics?

I want to understand art

>> No.13616896

>>13616764
Bump.
Also interested in this. Books on art history or aesthetics in general.

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>>13616764

>> No.13616970

>>13616908
my professor told me gombrich is bad for intro, we read Janson's. Is this true?

>> No.13616984

>>13616970
Some left-wing intellectuals dislike him, as they perceive Gombrich as too euro-centric; and his displeasure with modern art is the cherry on the cake.

For me, he's a great author and well-worth reading.

>> No.13617131

>>13616984
Based Gombrich exposing the modern art racket for what it is

>> No.13617180

>>13616908
>There really is no such thing as Art. There are only artists.
Stopped reading there.

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>>13616908
>over 6 000 000 sold

Hmm what a curious number, it invokes some sort of event which I believe I heard in history class. I guess the author really doesn't want you to forget it, now why would that be?

>Biography
The son of Karl Gombrich and Leonie Hock, Gombrich was born in Vienna, Austria-Hungary, into an assimilated bourgeois family of Jewish origin who were part of a sophisticated social and musical milieu.

How curious indeed...

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Daily reminder that people who complain about the degeneration of art have never read a book on aesthetics, art history or art criticism. Daily reminder that people who complain about art degeneracy are about on the same intellectual level of pop music listeners who complain about classical music being "too long", i.e. children throwing a tantrum over something that they don't immediately understand because they can't immediately understand it. Daily reminder that people that invoke "beauty" are praising the immediate reaction as superior to the learned aesthetic understanding: if they had their way the art that they deem "beautiful" could never have been made. Daily reminder that they often conflate the terms "beauty", "Aesthetic", and "sublime". Daily reminder that these people think that photorealism is a good thing.
Daily reminder that in spite of all the talk of "correct aesthetic standards" they have never touched a book written by a formalist art critic, nor do they know that formalism is an actual thing. Daily reminder that the "muh degenerate" crowd ignores all the sociocultural situations under which all the different currents of modern art have been born: they ask the artist and the viewer to be purposefully ignorant of history and historically deaf, despite the fact that the art that they champion as standard of aesthetic beauty has never been historically deaf (i.e. the renaissance, romanticism). Daily reminder that these people have probably never been to Rome, Venice or Paris. Daily reminder that these people often complain about eroticism being present in art despite the fact that eroticism has been present in art since the Greeks (since prehistoric times, to be more precise).
Daily reminder that if these people had their way we would never have had all the Van Goghs, all the Otto Dixs, the Renoirs, the Modiglianis, the Picassos, the Kandinskys, the Matisses, the Monets, the Cezannes, the Klimts and the Joyces, the Rimbauds, the Eliots of the world: these artists that we correctly understand as being geniuses would have been classified as "degenerate" and thrown into a trash bin. Daily reminder that the most representative spokesman of this crowd of resentful minus habens is someone who thinks Metallica is good music. And, last but not least, daily reminder that there are even today a ton of artists who reject the avant-garde of the last century in order to paint in a more traditional or realistic way (there is, in fact, a whole website dedicated to this kind of stuff: artrenewal.com) but the "muh degeneration" crowd doesn't know about them because they don't actually care about art.

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>> No.13617220

>>13617214
I agree with you, which is why I am asking for book recommendations on aesthetics & art history, my friend.
So, if you could please help me...

>> No.13617231

>>13617214
>art is whatever muh sekret klub approves of and ((( promotes ))), everyone else is a dumb meanie

Fuck off.

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>>13617180
Try to understand the argument rather than the words apart from context.

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>>13617214
Daily reminder that modern art is based on pure feeling, so your rationalist autism takedown is not only wrong but also contradicts the very principles of your art 'philosophy'.
Also, KYS.

>> No.13617265

>>13617214
https://youtu.be/JM-hRalP8aQ

>> No.13617532

>>13617214
>Otto Dix, Modigliani, Picasso, Kandinsky, Matisse, Klimt

All degenerates.

>> No.13617748

>>13617214
Please recommend me a good book on this. Not some /pol/-tier wannabe trad garbage and not some left-wing drivel talking about oppression & minorities or whatever the fuck.
I want a good book on art & aesthetics.