/lit/ - Literature

>>13574948
It's not the worst, but it isn't good. I quit after a couple of chapters.

>>13574948
surely it's not the absolute worst but it is fucking god awful trash and downright shameful, really. complete hackery written by a moronic, dimwitted hack. vulgar art, to say the least.

>>13574948
no

>>13574948
>A shit vehicle for a shitty philosophy.
Color me surprised.

>>13574948
There's a hundred of recent threads in the archive, go make a synopsis.

I read and enjoyed fountainhead. Would I enjoy this book?

>>13575559
I would say that it has an enjoyable story, but it is definitely unnecessarily long. Rand objected to cuts and said "you wouldn't cut the bible," can you believe it? It could have easily been half the length, which would have made it more accessible and perhaps subsequently considered in higher regard than it currently is.

>written by a woman
how is that a negative?

>>13575619
>Rand objected to cuts and said "you wouldn't cut the bible," can you believe it?
good grief!

>>13575631
Because "huur duur women=BAD" in the mind of alt-right incels

>>13575645
okay, they must be really common here because last time i visited this board there was a thread were they were circlejerking about how women can't be depressed

>>13575654
they can, and often are. Freud wrote at length about the neurotic nature of women, and for that reason he's anathema nowadays.

Why do the titans of industry preach the message of Ayn Rand and how the welfare state needs to be cut and black people need to stop taking money from the government, while also taking money from the government?

>>13574948
Ayn Rand is one of the most overrated authors of the last century

>>13575631
>>13575645
To get sōyboys and roasties like yourself to respond.

It might just be yes

>>13574948
I didnt even have patience to watch the movie so I decided to not even try reading it

>>13576063
based

>>13575299
I’m about to do so too, I just don’t fucking like trains or hearing about some shitty romance between an “empowered” woman and some guy that is something of the guy who says “that was my plan all along! Nyehehe”

Also that guy who just fucks his real doll wife to feel in power... very pathetic and shitty writing

>>13574948
Your justifications show that you don't really understand the book. Calling Atlas Shrugged bad because it's a bad work of art is like a water bottle bad because you can't anally please yourself with it. Atlas Shrugged is not a work of art. It exists to give capitalist apologist types who are not completely bereft of a soul an excuse for a philosophical justification for their politics. It serves its purpose fairly well so you can't call it bad.

>>13578524
Don't get me started on the trains. UGH!

>>13574948
Cut at least 200 pages, remove the attempts to be philosophical, and remove the characters who have no traits other than being in opposition to Rand's ideology (There are at least 20 of these). Suddenly it becomes a great novel

>>13578696
>water bottle bad because you can't anally please yourself with it

>>13578757
I meant to say "is like saying that a water bottle is bad because...". I typed it up yesterday around 2 and couldn't post because I was banned. Anyway, i-it's just a hypothetical scenario yes?

>>13574948
>>13576051
>>13578696
>T. Absolutely Seething Communists
Ahhhhh

>>13574948
No

>1000+ pages later
>Deus Ex Machina.exe
>ThEnd
>Buy more books from da CRIMSON KING SAGA!

"Master of horror"
It's only scary how he can keep people coming back for more without realizing he writes the same fucking story again and again and again.

>>13578821
Forgot pic

>>13578780
>NEET
>Idolizes Rand
What did he mean by this?

>>13579691
he gave up on our society and doesn't feel the need to help support it

>>13578821
that's actually what happens? damn, and I was considering reading it, thanks for the heads up

High school senior here, (18) one of you guys want to write me an essay on this book so I can get that sweet scholarship money?

>>13579965
I never got scholarship essays. You spend all of the time required to write an essay for a chance to win a few hundred dollars that hundreds of other students are also competing for. If you want good scholarship money you'd be better off going back in time 4 years and playing sportsball than doing anything scholastic

>>13579965
>(18)
you're new and/or under 18. actual 18 year olds on here never advertise it

>>13580192
He had to put it in because he's in highschool. When I was in highschool I said about it in a thread and some dumbass janny banned me for underage

>>13574948
It's shit but Rand is brilliant for using trains to sell such an autistic ideology.

I suppose the appropriate response is simply to shrug and say "maybe".

>>13579900
Yeah, Literally hand of god appears and nukes everyone (on the evil side) happens and concludes the main story.

His shorter stories are good but I find anything he does longer form to not be worth the effort considering there's a good chance of it being


>Spooky scary skellies
>It's nothing
>Spoopy scarey toilet-skellies
>It's a dream
>Spooky scary presence
>It's nothing
>Spooky scary something
>Something ACTUALLY happens
>Someone(s) die(s/d)
>100/,000 pages later
>Deus ex machina
>By the way, here's a brief 2 page tie in to the "Crimson King" bullshit
>Thx for reading my long-ass shit and speaking of shit be sure to check out my 10/20/50 other books that are semi/briefly/loosely tied to the Dark Tower series

>>13575631
Women are incapable of higher thought or feeling. The idea of female "art" is fundamentally equal parts laughable and perverse. Failure to understand this intuitively is suggestive of one's 'mind pozzed' conditionings.

>>13581226
>>>/pol/

>>13579785
Underrated

>>13575645
Woman are bad tho

>>13579785
>>13581678
>and so he collects neet bucks and sponges off his mom

>>13575559
I also read The Fountainhead first and Atlas Shrugged a while later, and was pretty disappointed with AS. If you wanna read more Ayn Rand I'd suggest Anthem next. I didn't think that one was great either, but it's nice and brief anyway.

>>13581724
>T. Didn't read the fucking book and doesn't understand the reference
God, you trannies are hilarious

>>13581823
Never expect people on this board to have actually read the book they're talking about. Joyce larpers taught me this
>>13580618
The book could have worked with any other major industry, but being in the train business naturally creates an alliance between Dagny and Rearden and a reason for the book to take place all over the country

>>13576051
In what sense? Rand is notoriously despised, to the extent that she's probably most remembered for being a horrible writer.

>>13575544
calling it philosophy is a bit of a stretch

>>13575619
ayn rand is terrible but you just made that up

>>13575619
>>13582533
nevermind, i changed the sentence slightly in my google search and it came up. wtf thats beyond retarded

>>13581226
based DFW poster

>>13581976
No. Autists love trains. She knew her target audience.

>>13575559
Its fountain head but on a larger scale, you in all likely hood will enjoy it. I read both, long winded at times but they resonated with me for years afterwards.

>>13581823
I got the reference. Do you understand the contrast?
The book’s protagonist is no different. There’s no such thing as a self made man

>>13581226
You're not wrong, you're just an asshole. I'm using a pop culture movie reference so all the angry women and feminized men in this thread can feel included

>>13583431
>No such thing as a self made man
Why are you dumb yuropoor commies so jealous of our freedom?

>>13583492
Freedom to enslave isn’t freedom.
Jealousy is not what motivates me

>>13583517
cringe

>>13583517
>>13583431
Do you seriously not believe it’s possible to be successful in America without leeching off your parents/family?

You obviously need others to work for, but it is not them you depend on, they depend on you for your work. This is why some economists like Louis Kelso advocated for wider capital distribution entirely, in the hands of the workers, because they are who actually create the value for the company. :3

>>13583517
>>13583635
I’m not insinuating that’s what you do either, sweetie. Just making myself clear :3

People are not born in a vacuum

>>13583652
I’m just saying. There’s a huge difference between contributing work and depending on your family. Your family is supposed to raise you and have you go out and be a successful, productive American citizen.

It’s kind of hard to do these days, but not THAT hard. I’ve been living on my own for like 4 or 5 years now. Had to go back home one time. I can depend on them, it’s not like they hate me, but it’s the way life is. :3

>>13583662
>>13583652
These days it’s pretty much work that keeps me away from home: I live and work in the same city and am self-sufficient so there is nothing wrong with that. It’s convenient as fuck. :3

>>13583662
What’s this got to do with the flawed moral of the Atlas Shrug?

I did have like a 50 min commute to work for a lil then I maintained a 30 min commute for like four months.

Now my commute is 10 min. :D

Anyway, Ayn Rand is stupid. And I might even like some of the people who read Rand but Rand herself advocated for no taxes at all, and that’s not something that even Ludwig Von Mises, a far right polemic ‘economist’ who I hate for the same reasons as Rand (not for the misogynistic reasons as OP), would say.

Honestly at the end of the day, sometimes people get a little too absorbed in a political ‘side’ and lose touch with reality.

It’s the ‘right’ economists that actually get stuff done that are the most balanced. Like Louis Kelso’s ESOP. Or Milton Friedman’s influence on the United States to do away with the gold-exchange standard.

:3

>>13583679
Probably nothing :3 I’m just talking

*slaps your tight, round ass*

>>13574948
I've done my fair share of Rand-bashing over the years, mostly because how her fans always seem to be total dick heads, but now I'm rewatching Mad Men and Cooper and Don talks about it so I'm considering giving it a go.

>>13583703
>He doesn't go around the world in a pirate ship plundering government institutions and returning the loot to the wealthy
what a faggot

>>13582711
kek

>>13583679
>Flawed moral
The writing is repetitive, boring, and unimaginative, but the moral is sound. but you never read it anyways

>>13583711
*puts carving knife straight through your palm*

>>13583492
cringe bro

>>13583703
>not for the misogynistic reasons as OP

>>13583517
>freedom to enslave isn't freedom
the irony of socialists forcing their ideology on others never ceases to amaze me, it is no wonder that you are at odds with what Rand writes about, as she suggests that one may live for oneself, not for others at the behest of others. It is also no wonder that her writings have become more and more attacked by the intelligentsia of modern higher education, as we can't have a population of people believing that they do not need an authoritarian government telling them how to be happy, and who to live for.
I doubt you have read her works in their entirety, rather cliff notes, or various snippets that your lit. professor put on 5min slide show, to dissuade you from further discovery of the evils against any view opposing socialism.
>jealousy is not what motivates me
I doubt this, as would Nietzsche, Dostoevsky, and Turgenev

>>13583921
What you don't realize is how dumb you sound when you claim there are no good female authors. It signifies that you're either a larper from /pol/ or a tryhard pseudointellectual

>>13584033
>when you claim there are no good female authors
I didn't say that. But females are typically incapable of writing or of general artistic creation.

>>13584056
Then you still can't make the sweeping statement that something is bad because written by a woman.

The most you can say is a general tendency which would give you no reason to write something off because written by a woman. :3

Glad I could help.

>>13583904
Awe, someone is just upset. What you -should- do, is go along with this attitude. How often do you exercise your ass babe?

>>13584071
>Then you still can't make the sweeping statement that something is bad because written by a woman.

>>13584071
this is unironically ironic
do we need to spell out why?

>>13584097
>duckduckgo.com
Just stop now. :3

>>13584082
>>13583904
Also

*rubs cock up and down your face, and you can't stop feeling the sensation for the next 15 minutes*

There ya go Butterfly, enjoy! :3

>>13584124
>>>/lgbt/

>>13584129
She's a woman, ya dip.

>>13574948
Rand literally repudiates nihilism dumbfuck.

>>13584260
Which makes her nihilist vision of society even more ironic.

>>13584133
>>13584124
>woman
wrong nigga >>/lit/thread/S13512553#p13513367

>>13574948
>>robotic, automaton-like, shallow characters
They are caricatures of what humans would be like if thought of by a robot.

>>13583652
please stop posting

>>13584133
He’s calling 3face a fag
>>13585042
I’m a woman. A homosexual woman.

>>13585661
People are NOT born in a vacuum

>>13585690
what the fuck is up with Dance of Reality? have you seen it?

>>13585690
>>13585780
I fucking demand answers

>>13575631
Because, in general, women are trash when it comes to "complex/muh brain hurts" stuff

Blah blah blah averages. Yeah, that's true, but if you look at the extremes (aka genius, psychopaths, etc) it's almost always dominated by men. Throw in the fact that women, in general, tend to self-select themselves OUT of fields such as STEM, philosophy, math, and the pool of "smart" women becomes even smaller.

It's wrong to say "written by women, hence bad" but in general the statement will be true.

>>13574948
I found it pedantic and tripe. And then I got to galt's speech. Burying such a rambling, overdrawn, self-imposed, self-righteous thesis paper in the back third of a monumental time waster is such a flagrant offense to literature it should be recorded as a moment in history. A is A, sure thing, but Bad book is Bad book.

>>13587002
>A is A, sure thing, but Bad book is Bad book.
I found this line funnier than I should have

>>13585780
Yeah. What about it?

>>13586988
Dummy

>>13585690
You're not homosexual, you've masturbated to me. End of discussion.

You don't give me bad feelings anymore either because you masturbated to me. I perpetually get a rise out of you trying to avoid or shift responsibility for the masturbatory incident a couple months ago. :3

It’s decent. Too long and the speech isn’t necessary when the first 800 pages were enough to get her point across. Dagny and co turn into superhero’s in the last 100 pages.

The part that makes the book worth it is Dangnys beta orbiter assistant dies in the middle of the desert screaming for her as she gets roughly fucked by the worlds biggest Chad. She spends the whole book getting roughly spanked and slapped and fucked by Chads and eddie just fucking takes it lol. Tries to impress her by running the train line after she goes to chad-libertarian heaven.

Very accurate and very sad. Portrayal of The mid wit beta.

>>13587097
I am repulsed by penis and there ain’t nothin anyone can do about it.
SHUT UP

>>13574948
I don't know if it could be any worse than Blood Meridian

>>13587088
The data is there. Even in the Nordic countries which are as "egalitarian" as it gets, they found that an even greater skew of women NOT entering fields such as STEM, math, etc.

Where there is even more "sexual freedom," women were more likely to choose majors such as humanities, arts, etc.

So now, in terms of quantity, there are less women in "this makes muh brain hurt" fields.
Throw in the fact that the extremes tend be dominated by men (more geniuses, more psychos), and the bare truth is that, in general, yes, there are much more "smart" men than women.

What pushes genius? Not just raw talent, although that is a significant component that cannot be denied. It's also heavily influenced by radical behavior such as "my whole life is focused on this" or "I am extremely competitive" or "I will overwork (by average standards) on this until I blow my brains out." Testosterone = more risk taking, more aggression. Men tend to have more testosterone, and thus more likely to take risks (let's bet my whole life on starting a company instead of taking the "safe route") or devote themselves entirely, aggressively, toward something ("math is the be all end all for me").

Throw in the fact that women, by nature, also have to deal with child birth (and are also much more likely to be involved in child rearing), all of which are time consuming processes, mix it in with something known as "compound advantage", multiply that by years and decades.

Is it any wonder that there tend to be more "smarter" men?

Combine that with the fact that men will laugh at a woman's joke even if it isn't funny, is it any wonder that, in general, when it comes to "muh brain hurts" stuff, is it any wonder that women, in general, tend to be trash in those fields?

No one serious is saying woman = bad.
But in general, woman = not high quality.

>>13587123
I don’t understand why lesbians are repulsed by penis. Except when this one girl called it a thumb mushroom, but that was more in an endearing way than a disgusted way

>>13587123
Hah. You are so cute. Still playing hard to get?

You are now actually thinking about me rubbing my cock all over your face for the next fifteen

>>13587153
Why, are you a bisexual?

>>13587088
>>13587151

Here's another way of saying it.

There are wolves around this farm that frequently eat chickens.

One morning the farmer wakes up to find a missing chicken.

Does missing chicken automatically mean taken by wolf? No. Maybe the chicken wandered off, or was stolen by a neighbor.

But in general, this statement will be true because statistically speaking, most missing chickens are due to wolves.

>>13587167
I mean I’ve had sex with men but they were all very effeminate so I don’t count it as a gay experience. Either way I’m not repulsed by my own penis or that of any other man.

>>13587151
Women may get certain boost once software engineering becomes language dominated (gradient graph connected thinking) - large amount of moving parts you have to connect intuitively to get some emergent property - ie piecing up AI models by "talking to the computer" in fuzzy, but complex grammars.

Male-brain would then be at disadvantage with their propensity for (exact-categorical-hiearchy-big-picture) style of thinking.

>>13587178
Hahaha. That’s a yes.
This is why you don’t understand. No big mystery.

>>13587189
Maybe. But women would also need to voluntarily choose to major and work in computer sciences.

More women than men attend college now, and yet STEM majors are still drastically occupied by men.

Women, it seems, just don't like it. And that's fine. Also there have been studies that, to put it in simple terms, shown that women and men performed similarly for "hard but not that hard" math (I forgot the exact grade level). But then found that women still chose to go with something like English because they were also good at English, and liked English better.

So baseline, yeah, pretty much the same between the sexes. Averages, yeah, also pretty much the same.

Higher learning though? Extremes? Almost always dominated by men.

You can't become a math professor just because you did well in grade 12 math. You have to actually keep pushing forward, which requires you to not major in English (or more correctly, requires you to actually major in Math).

>>13587088
is it good? or holy mount pretentious mash of "lol symolism, lol chile army"

>>13587210
Nobody gives a shit about IT degrees when it comes to grunt IT work. The field moves forward too fast for CS101 to stay relevant. A pajeet doesn't need to know how 4-way associative cache works to cobble up mobile shovelware in kotlin.

For top of the line research postgrad, sure. Women will indeed never compete as they'll be always steamrolled by male outliers, courtesy of higher variance and aggression in males. Same reason women will never beat men in sports or chess at the top level.

But that's not where the money at. The money at (for mass populace) is the pajeets, code monkeys. You make the mistake of claiming "males are superior because of outliers". That in itself is apex fallacy. 80% of the bell graph still overlaps, so for 8 people of 10, women are as capable - just motivation and style of problem solving is different.

>>13587244
Ain't nobody claiming males superior because outliers son.

Pajeet work still requires you to major in the field. Unless you're saying this grunt work won't even have the minimum of barriers (certificates, majors). Even shit jobs that monkeys can do are requiring some form of a bachelors.

Also I said exactly what you said
>Averages, its pretty much all the same
because like you said, bell graph

No ones making any claim of superiority. Value isn't derived only from ability to churn out shekels or "but muh high IQ."

As if being able to relate to someone emotionally isn't valuable. As if being beautiful isn't valuable. As if being a cum dump doesn't have value. As if being all muscles-no brain laborer doesn't have value. As if sexuality isn't valuable.

Just because you can't put a precise dollar sign to something doesn't mean it doesn't have value. People, for some reason, are just obsessed with this idea that anything tangentially related to "ability to pump money" is more valuable.

Yeah, inventions are great. It is nice to be able to microwave shit and not have to like make fire by clanking rocks. Motherly warmth is also great too. Sexual intimacy is also good too.

>>13587222
Dance is more personal but just as trippy with the symbolism. As usual I was cheated and got a watered down American version with less nudity. I liked them both for what they are. El Topo I think I like the least, but its not so bad either.

I do love Parajanov’s The Color of Pomegranates better

>>13587244
>>13587286

Also, in what world do you live in that code monkey is just some job anyone can pick up?

Are you referring to data entry? Like "put all this shit in paper form into that computer." That's not code monkey.

Women are capable of entering the field of computer sciences. Women who have not been trained or worked in the computer sciences, on the other hand, are not capable. As are men who haven't trained either.

Women are capable, on a baseline level. Like you have enough potential to become an apprentice in this field. But let''s not get ahead of ourselves and say baseline level = can do XYZ job.

>>13587286
>Pajeet work still requires you to major in the field. Unless you're saying this grunt work won't even have the minimum of barriers (certificates, majors). Even shit jobs that monkeys can do are requiring some form of a bachelors.
I'm a code ni/g/ra. Seriously, nobody gives a shit. Not even about certs anymore.

>As if being able to relate to someone emotionally isn't valuable.
There's far more to it. Women on average score better at psychomotor precision, aesthetics, attention to detail, conscientiousness and most importantly, seeing relative, low dimension patterns in pictures (men score the opposite - high dimensionality, but it everything has to be positioned absolutely).

Women have general style of cognition well suited for female hiearchy power games - just like men have style of cognition for blunt competition with each other. Women can use it to waste time with gossip, feminism, or can also use it for something useful. Just like a man can use his IQ for pseuding on here all day trying to find rationalizations for hating women, or do something productive.

>>13587324
You're right, to a certain degree. But you still need a portfolio. You can't just no cert, no major, no prior work, no portfolio and voila, I am programmer menz.

Also pajeet works for cents on the dollars. Unless you're comparing poo-in-my-loo male to poo-in-my-loo female. In which case, I'm sure they still have their standards, even if it's much lower than "ours."

No one is hating on women, stop projecting son.

Just because I'm a rude dumb shit that says stuff like "cum dump" doesn't mean it's not true. Have you wandered off your safe space? Or did you forget we're on a mongloid cartoon forum?

Let me put in nicer words for you boy.

El mucho value in me put peepee in her veevee.

>>13587314
>Also, in what world do you live in that code monkey is just some job anyone can pick up?
Janitor IT jobs is people 105 and higher. Yes, it's that easy to pick up. It's no different, in terms of effort, from learning a foreign language. Code monkeys don't do much in a way of problem solving, they just google up answers and trial and error it for the most part. They're slow, but cheap.

>Are you referring to data entry? Like "put all this shit in paper form into that computer." That's not code monkey.
That was 20 years ago. No human does that anymore.

>Women who have not been trained or worked in the computer sciences, on the other hand, are not capable. As are men who haven't trained either.
I should note this is an engineering occupation, not really science. As for why I cherrypick IT codemonkeying - with automation going way it goes, this and entertainment are the only occupations viable down the line.

>>13587346
>105
>Average is 100
>Also not counting the fact that a difference in "it's just 5" is a big difference
>Also not counting the fact that there's more than just raw intelligence in regards to "code monkey" jobs aka not just anyone can pick it up
>Math easy me. Lit hard.
>Lit easy me. Math hard.
>oh we both 100 iq.

>But it's okay, you big boi

>>13587335
>Unless you're comparing poo-in-my-loo male to poo-in-my-loo female
Of course I am. What do you think vast majority of the bell graph is? In this IQ region, doesn't matter if its pajeet or morbidly obese white trash with lit critic degree, forced into the job at 45 to pay off student loan debts. Well, at least pajeets are less entitled.

>>13587368
>Also not counting the fact that a difference in "it's just 5" is a big difference
Exactly. >100 is 50% of population, >105 is 30%. It's a ballpark from general observation that on average 1 out of 3 people are capable to grasp how does one code monkey on some basic level.

>Also not counting the fact that there's more than just raw intelligence in regards to "code monkey" jobs aka not just anyone can pick it up
It's all you need. You can of course sperg about proclivities of cognition in small samples, but in mass population sample, the IQ will still strongly correlates if its a candidate monkey or not because it measures enough association-spatial - regardless of gender. It should be noted that there's always (at least) 20% less females because the bell graph is shifted on the whole.

>>13587428
>1 in 3
>anyone can pick it up, easy
>throw in other factors that i mentioned
>"anyone can pick it up, easy"

Let me guess, you're one of those "journalist" that tweeted to unemployed blue collar works "just get a coding job"

Trump is garbage, but part of me is glad he was elected just so everyday basedboys like you wake up all pissy.

>>13575619
100% agree. I read it a few years ago and willingly put up with 500 pages of it, but the last 400 pages were murderous. I can only read descriptions of railroads so many times before I need to read something else.

Also, there was a part towards the climax that I was skimming through because it was too painful to actually read. Was I hallucinating or was there a part where the main villain opens a door, and Dagny's holding a gun and says, 'youre out of time,' so he runs to another door, and D'Anconia's there with a gun of his own saying, 'nowhere to run,' and so he runs to a third door and Galt is there with a gun and he goes, 'nice try, bad guy.'? I remember it being so painfully stupid that I couldnt believe I was actually reading it. Please help.

>>13587446
>just get a coding job

Worse.

>Let me guess, you're one of those "journalist" that tweeted
Worse - daily contact with pajeet sweatshops. It's not "just get a coding job". A country boy walks into a tech park: It's either call center (2 of 3), or pajeeting (1 of 3). It's not an option, you either do it, or live in abject poverty.

>>13574948
Based. Ayn Rand is trash. One of the most effective ways to identify a brainlet is to ask them about rand

>>13587472
True, it is either do or die (or live in abject poverty, in which case, it's pretty much die seeing the correlation between income and health/life expectency/happiness)

We could also just straight send a lot of these people to the guillotine. Would save a lot of problems.

>>13587485
Fun part: Out of this lot, theres a constant brain drain of the >120 bracket guys who get H1B shipped away to slave in the US as soon as they learn to speak enough english (most don't even bother with degree in india, SV runs pajeet visa scams on industrial scale just to grab any talent on the cheap). Few days ago, a curry manager was all buttblasted about it "they're stealing our talent, only to tax em and give it to nigger welfare queens" - their opinion about yang 2020 and UBI.

>>13587468
I don't think that happened