/lit/ - Literature

>>13578708
>censor ideas I disagree with
Yikes

>>13578708
what is antichristian about antinatalism? If anyone should be an antinatalist a Christian should, believing in eternal damnation for the many. And don't bring up that be fruitful and multiply crap. That was only ever said to Israel and specific Israelites. Both Jesus and Paul speak of the dignity of celibacy.

tl;dr: Don't have sex

>>13578708
>the "Dodtoevsky isn't a True writer!" Ones are the most cringey

How is this any different than the Christians here who do everything possible to diminish Kafka's reputation?

>>13578708
People who justify Mithras' sacrifice of the bull as "necessary [for progress]" are Faustian subhumans. Fuck off, OP. If you want to live with your naive progressivist delusions, then be my guest, but I don't give a shit when your shitty worldview comes crashing down. There won't be any compassion from my part for filth such as you.

Slit your throat.

>>13578732
Never seen anything like this
>>13578716
>foiling an organized attempt to shit up the board and ruin the level of conversation = CENSOR IDEAS I DONT LIKE
You're the reason Democracy is a suicide pact.
>>13578727
>what is antichristian about antinatalism?
Everything. Go forth and múltiply. But That's besides the point: the point is that both group are spamming the board with their clone threads and shitting it up.

>>13578733
>necessary for progress
Necessary to free humanity from industrialized human sacrifice.
Besides that, the age had changed according to the Great wheel.
Fuck Moloch and all It's fans btw.

>>13578752
Mithras doesn't have anything to do with Moloch, idiot. I can explain the meaning behind the myths more, but it has Semitic origin. It's more of an Indo-European mythos and an interpretation of it, which I dislike.
Regardless, I apologize for my meanness. You're just stupid, not necessarily evil. After all, you don't even understand what Mithras' sacrifice of the bull represents.

>>13578769
>Mithras
The bull Mithras is sacrificing*

Do they have good prose tho?

>>13578742
>Go forth and múltiply

God never told you to do that. You're just dishonest. OF COURSE the God of your own convenience will agree with everything you think and do, that is no marvel. You idiot, you probably think you're not going to hell either.

>>13578769
In itself It's just another astrological symbol. The age of the Taurus was over.
Alternatively there are many brainlet articles like these:http://www.isvroma.it/public/pecus/nasstrom.pdf
This is all irrelevant however to the fact that in the image the statue is taken to represent killing Moloch, as You might have noticed from the fuck huge caption.

>>13578789
>God never told you to do that.
He explicitly does. Now fuck off.

>>13578788
No, That's the worst part.

>>13578802
No, he told Adam and Noah to do that who were the only two men capable of establishing humanity, and through his prophets he told Israel to do that when it was brought into captivity, lest Israel and its traditions would go extinct. But you have recieved no such commandment. You have however recieved commandments not to say things like "fuck off". Just keep living for yourself, doing whatever you want and letting the God of your imagination justify it for you. All that wont matter when you stand before the judgement seat of the real God, who will say "depart from me, you worker of iniquity. I never knew you"

>>13578836
You really think God is going to send people to hell for having children?

>>13578849
No, but I do think he will send them to hell for doing whatever they want all their lives. And it says those who manipulate scripture (or the law) to say what they want it to say will receive greater damnation. The simple fact is a Christian is not obligated to have children and a Christian also shouldn't want to have children if he thinks he can be said to care for those children at all.

Every day I think of a son or daughter sitting beside me and how aggrieved I would be for their probable fate and how angry I would be at myself for doing such a horrible thing to somebody else, especially my own blood.

>>13578742
>every opinion i dislike is an organized attempt to ruin the board with different opinions
If you want censorship, go to reddit

>>13578868
You should read Mani's Cologne Mani Codex and other scriptures. Mani believed life was intrinsically special and all sentient beings possessed a divine light, but he promoted antinatalism because he believed this material, darkly plane of existence typically involved violating or harming the fragile inmost light. His experience of hearing trees scream as having their fruits plucked was very evocative.
If we live in between higher and lower realms, then it makes sense this world largely becomes an conflicting interplay of them.

>>13578884
This. Its not like antinatalism is mentioned even half as much as Christianity here. Christians are no different than social justice types. Have you even been to the Christian board on squared-and-halfed-Chan? They permanently ban anyone with "blasphemous" doctrine. Like disputing the trinity? That's a permaban.

>>13578836
>No, he told Adam and Noah to do that who were the only two men capable of establishing humanity,
Your interpretation is spurious and accepted by nobody.
Ironically You're the only one worshipping a God from his own imagination here.

>>13579011
>Your interpretation is spurious and accepted by nobody
>accepted by nobody

Guess who else was accepted by "nobody"?

>>13578899
False equivalence at It's finest. Each and every Christian thread is shitposted to oblivion.

>>13579016
Your messianic complex is neither Here nor there I'm afraid.

>>13579018\
>muh fedora fallacies
>muh false equivalence

Go back to reddlt

>>13578708
>Whining is meta

Seems like every thread is meta these days, 'cause there's fuck all actual lit talk on this shit board anymore

>>13579022
I don't have a messianic complex. I'm just saying people don't like to be told not to do whatever they want. It doesn't matter if Jesus said celibacy was a higher spiritual calling or I say you're being insensitive towards your poor children you're intending to have. You'll only walk in your own council and do whatever you feel like.

>>13578812
Have you critiqued them on this?

>>13578896
Did read Mani but can't accept his "dualism". There's Nothing bad with the material world In itself. The problem is Sin which dwells in people; not in matter But in the pleroma.

>>13578708
At least /lit/ isn't plagued by schizos in the same degree that /sci/ is. Gary, Tooker, the namefags, Berserk shcizo, electric universe etc etc etc it's fucking endless.

>>13579044
If the problem is sin, then aren't you kind of being an asshole by propagating that problem upon new people?

>>13579031
>It doesn't matter if Jesus said celibacy was a higher spiritual calling
He didn't, Paul did. He was still right, in context, where It's evident that celibacy is also not for everybody.
>>13579039
No because I can tollerate bad prose but not raiding.
>>13578884
You devolved to worldplay.

>>13579063
For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

>>13579044
Mani's dualism is more akin to Empedocle's metaphysics of Love and Strife if you read him deeply. It is a mix of both dualism and monism, though with irreconcilable antagonistic forces.
Stuff like devouring or sacrificing other beings is also sinful. The fact is, this material plane is one that is tilted to sin, though not entirely of course.

>>13579060
No, because Jesus can save from sin.

>>13579060
If i rise my children as Christians I'm actively fighting sin Because they'll be able to give Testimony of their faith and their word might come to touch an otherwise impenitente sinner.
Or they might grow to be impenitent sinners themselves. No way I can do that, but I can Pray for them.
I can't pray for someone who was never even conceived.

>>13579063
>No because I can tollerate bad prose but not raiding.
Fucking leave this board and this earth you fucking cancer on all that is good and beautiful you are wasting precious oxygen that can be used for poetry readings.

>>13579082
>Hey generic arsonist, aren't you being an asshole by lighting that building on fire?
>no because the fire brigade can come and save the people inside the building
>if they find their way down to the first few floors

>>13579088
>I can't pray for someone who was never even conceived

Oh well, poor you. By all means create just as many children as you want because all that matters is you.

>>13579073
I'll re-read him more intently. Thank You.
>>13579070
So there are different kinds of people with different callings. Increeeedible.
>>13579098
>making a new person
>equivalent to arsonism
See now Why I want You people fucking gone?

>>13579063
>No because I can tollerate bad prose but not raiding.

The only raiding is by Christian boomers that came in on the Trump train. You probably have read fuck all in your entire life.

>>13579106
Creating children and caring for them is the single most altruistic thing a person can feasibly do. The moment You have a kid your life belongs to him.
There's litteraly no better school for altruism.
I Think You just dont understand How sane people fucking work.

>>13578716
>if you kill your enemies you lose!

>>13579109
But by all means take whatever calling you find convenient. Have just as much money in the bank as you can accrue. Have just as many kids as you want. Spend your idle hours arguing on the internet. I'm sure you won't get a "depart from me" at the pearly gates, because you have on the full bubble-wrap of Martin Luther.

>>13579114
Spoken like a True brainlet whose one resort in argument is ad hominem.

>>13579118
>Creating children and caring for them is the single most altruistic thing a person can feasibly do

Wrong

>>13579122
You're arguing with me on the internet right now. Do You even listen to yourself?

>>13579123
So you don't even know the titles of any books you could have pretended to read?

>>13579127
Right. Demonstrably so.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5667351/

>>13579128
I walked for a season as a serious Christian but even my faith was made shipwreck because I fell to the torments of demons. The reason you aren't tormented by demons is because the devil already has you ensnared by the form of the world.

>>13579134
I dont have anything to demonstrate to a brainlet such as You. Treat the conversation with respect and Perhaps You'll get respect back.

>>13579138
How do You figure I'm not tormented by demons?
I'm arguing with yours This very moment.

>>13579135
BOOOOOORING! Also do you think the elites would promote having kids if antinatalism was chief among the devil's works? Of course the devil isn't an antinatalist because he's having an easy time of dragging people down to hell with him, so obviously he's interested in those people in existing to begin with. And you might say well he promotes abortion. Indeed he does. You don't suppose aborted children are writhing in hell? Where is the scripture supporting this? You don't think so because you don't want to find offense in God, so lo, he happens to agree with whatever you think as always. But here is the actual scripture.

Romans 5:12- Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression,

>>13579157
>gets btfo
>BOOOOOORING!
Prima facies proof we need to ban the lots of You.

List of posts I report:
>Off-topic posts about politics/sociology/religion/females/philosophy which fail to mention literature at all (read the stickied post, your political, philosophical and religious posts aren't allowed unless the discussion is specifically centered around a specific piece of literature, I sometimes make exceptions for philosophical threads if they are of quality)
>Off-topic blog posts or troll posts which mention "books for this feel," believing that that will save them from a ban
>Small-brain wojak image posted along with a strawman argument that nobody actually believes which only serves to buff up OP's damaged self confidence
>Big brain wojak or muscle chad image posted with an ironic or unironic opinion, served to buff up OP's self confidence or crafted intentionally to lower the quality of this board
>Any post which makes me believe that the OP came from /v/ or /tv/
Those are the ones I can think of off the top of my head. Everybody is right to their own opinion unless they post it along with a retarded wojak or muscle chad image. I would expect you guys to be more critical of memes, but I suppose those of you who are always posting these things are from /v/ or /tv/.

>>13579157
>Also do you think the elites would promote having kids if antinatalism was chief among the devil's works?
The élite promotes abortion, same sex marriage, anticontraceptives and euthanasia to the point ONU imposes them to countries all over the world which want nothing to do with it.
Direct depopulation and eugenics were on their platform untill the 40s and were only abandoned due to the PR nightmare they produced.
You're manifestly on the side of the Powers and Principalities.

>>13579149
cute but I'll see you in hell all the same and probably your kids too. You don't obey God. You don't even listen for his voice spoken through the holy spirit. I guarantee you when I was a serious Christian, I wasn't fucking around on the internet. I deleted and threw out years of music compositions and then I stopped salting my food. And then I gave away all my savings to the poor. You're a fucking idiot, if you think you're doing the slightest thing to please God. In fact being overmuch aware of what the Christian calling is, my antinatalism is only bolstered that much more. You've done the worst thing anybody could possibly do to another by bringing a child into this world of confusion, looming precariously over the pit of hell. At least you could show some compunction for it.

>>13579170
No, some stupid scientific report is boring. Like I said if the CDC and other government organizations are promoting birth and most religions are fertility cults then it shows the devil wants people to be born. God has no such particular interest, as evidenced by the writings of Solomon, Jesus and Paul.

>>13579188
>euthanasia and sexual degeneracy are antinatalism

See now Why I want You people fucking gone?

The quality here is concerning. I don't agree with which views you see as "damaging" but we had an active thread about a fucking Harry Potter fanfic up all day yesterday.

>>13579178
Also, I'm going to mention that it typically takes 2-3 hours for a mod to delete these posts

>>13579178
>Everybody is right to their own opinion
Indeed. What happens when somebody tries to impose his opinion through spam? What defense meccanism do You accept in This case?
I hope your answer isn't none Because then You just forfeited YOUR opinion.
>cute but I'll see you in hell all the same and probably your kids too
So You're coming too? That's pretty smart of You to admit.
>>>13579198
>They're promoting birth by aborting 50 milion children since the '80s i swear
You're not in contact with reality anon.
I'll pray for you.

>>13579206
Eutanasia follows exactly your same reasoning. Suffering is too much, as defined by us, he gets to die.
Sexual degeneracy (You have no right to call it that given your opinions) is antinatalism in pratiche. It will never result in a new baby.

>>13579215
I already told you that aborted fetuses are in hell. If you have a problem with that, take it up with God, for you do find offense in him.

>>13579222
My reasoning is that the suffering of hell is too much. What are you a Universalist? All killing anyone (even a fetus) will do is expedite their damnation.

>>13579223
Also this is from a Christian site. I checked for myself.

https://michaeljeshurun.wordpress.com/tag/a-w-pink-on-babies/

>>13579215
>>13579222
Why do you think satan had all those babies sacrificed to Moloch? Just so God could save them for their special baby armor of salvation? If satan wanted them damned, he'd have them grow up.

>>13579190
>guarantee you when I was a serious Christian, I wasn't fucking around on the internet. I deleted and threw out years of music compositions and then I stopped salting my food. And then I gave away all my savings to the poor.
Oh my i seem to have stuck a nerve.
So You did one Good thing and many things that sprang from your immagination and Jesus never told You to do.
Again, You seem like the only one here who was worshipping a God in his image.
You could have composed music in His name, anon. Who know who You could have reached This way.
You could have worked selflessly for the benefit of others, anon.
You did none of that.
And call people idiots on the internet.
Finally, since You're not a Christian anymore apparently, why should I give you the time of day exactly?
You sound like the tipical nu atheist.
>Christians are hypocrites because they don't follow my visión of how they should live given my flawed understaanding of their religion. What? I do worse than them every day anyway? How dare you impose to me a standard I just imposed to people I hate explicitly to hurt them?
May my prayers reach You were my simple words can't.

>>13579239
Ok, now You're just delirious.
He damned their parents through the sacrifice They did.

>>13579277
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rx-4ey6P3Oo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZfpBvpuWXw

This is REAL Christianity. All those things I did were good. The first was so I didn't worship the works of my hands. The second was repentance from gluttony.

>>13579223
Even If They were in hell (which is retarded) where they are is irrelevant to the fucking fact that their parents murdered them and gave them no possibility to know Christ.
You litteraly have your religion ass backwards. No wonder Demons torment You. Visit a fucking exorcist.

>>13579290
Not even so. Somebody can even repent from sacrificing their young to Moloch. That is not the blasphemy of the holy spirit. Of course you can't repent of doing such a thing if the spirit is in you because that would surely aggrieve it so much as to leave. But still their parents aren't necessarily damned. But in actuality its inconsiderable how many people AREN'T damned.

>>13579312
My religion? Also, I have no demons. They fucked off when they fucked up my Christian walk irredeemably. I'm saying the world is too dangerous; spiritually, to justify bringing new people into it. You're incredibly dishonest. You probably have demons yourself, since the devil can profit in his own way from sewing them there.

>thread has devolved into christ-tards writing paragraphs and still not saying anything substantial, and failing to mention literature or stay on-topic to the board's purpose
Please, mods. Ban every idiot in this thread.

>>13579223
MOREOVER the argument here is If the élites are encouraging natalism or antinatalism. Since They're aborting a prepostrous number of kids, regardless of where they might go, They're obviously funding the latter.
>>13579231
>people are born with original sin for which Christ is the cure
>STILL OK TO KILL THEM THO THE SINNER BASTARDS HAVE IT COMING
Fuck You.

>>13578708
>WAAAAH STOP SAYING THINGS ME NO LIKE

This is you. Pathetic

>>13579300
>this is real Christianity
Read the Imitarion of Christ and Memories of a Russian pilgrim. Read some actual theology.
You were snared into heresy and I repent and beg forgiveness to the Lord because I couldn't be there to help you Then.

Do you christ tards realize there is a board on eight chan for you? You don't have to threaten each other with Hell or debate over what 'real Christianity' is in front of all the normal people. Please, you guys are an eyesore.

>>13579316
>But in actuality its inconsiderable how many people AREN'T damned.
Here We go.
The whole problem here is that You have no faith in the Spirit God sent You.
Many are the damned and many are the saved. Jesus will be my judge not You.

>>13579334
Fucking moron. You deserve your 30 atheist general threads.
Your turn will come when You'll be unable to have a thread In here without some retard like Catharanon here telling You You're not a True socialist or whatever Because You didn't let a nigger fuck your wife or whatever the fuck.

>>13578708
>remove moloch
>moloch is saturn
>zeus already killed saturn
>"stfu larpagan"
>me: ???

>>13579316
>Not even so. Somebody can even repent from sacrificing their young to Moloch.
So It's something You have to repent for.
Check and mate.

>>13579379
>>remove moloch
>>moloch is saturn
Is he tho?

>>13578727
>what is antichristian about antinatalism?
Christians were promised an heir, and the ultimate eschatological celebration will be the marriage between Christ and the Church.
>Be fruitful and multiply

>>13579206
Sexual degeneracy lessens the trust between sexes and has in fact reduced the amount of sex people have, both through the number of porn addicts and the higher risks involved in sex and marriage.

i'm here every weekend and all i care about is literature but i'm also an alcoholic and on the weekend i just get drunk and shitpost here

This website needs more subreddits

You will literally burn forever if you don't worship a dead jew, I know this because I'm reasonable

>>13578708
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>>13579178
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>>13579214
All the wannabe jannies in this thread are fucking pathetic. How much of a boot licking nigger lover can you be? You do it for free FOR FREE!

>Christian larp
ishyddt

>>13580952
a new butterfly joins the game!

>>13580969
>yvm0QrHZZJQ
That is Liberalfly. Obvious duder, maybe the tranny people keep mistaking me for

>>13581002
which one are you? the canadian rug muncher?

>>13579149
Stop posting these cringe ass vaporwave pseudo-Christian fashwave shit, you're giving Christianity a bad name.

>>13578708
Don't forget the fake manufactured "conflict" between "fiction readers" and "non-fiction readers".
I know most boards have a gay fan war to keep things boringly interesting but this is the most forced one I've seen, it just doesn't fit here.

>>13579114
Desperate and delusional rewriting of history. Christian LARPers have been here way longer than you have, fedoralord.

>>13579157
>the state of antinatalist raiders
If you're going to shit up the board with your embarrassing highschool tier philosophy then at least commit to it.

>>13579861
christians absolutely love niggers. they send mission trips to africa to spread the word of god to niggers. they bring niggers to the west, they let niggers fuck their women. christcucks unironically adore niggers.

>>13581320
>being this scared of a theory of aestetic
dude.

>>13578716
Maybe the Left was right.
Maybe we should censor the Left.

My children will inherit the Earth. They will have a chance at making life as they please. My name won't be forgotten, but the anti-natalist's likely will.

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
It's vacation time, but when I'll return, summer will end, and this board will be purged.

Paul's an anti-natalist tbhfamalam.

>>13578708
The moment Nick "Neo-Amazons" Land became /lit/ this was doomed to happen.

Accels are coping with the fact that they have low IQ.
Accels are sissies turned philosophers.

>>13582066
>muh vhs retro visuals slapped on high culture signifiers, so assdedicks xddd
cringe and kitschpilled

>>13582169
"I will therefore that the younger women marry, bear children, guide the house, give none occasion to the adversary to speak reproachfully."

Timothy 5:14

>>13582089
Lol, what a fuckin mong

>>13581507
>they bring niggers to the west
This is false.
>they let niggers fuck their women
This is false. "Strong independent, feminist egalitarian humanist atheist materialist consumerist women" are not our women. They hate it if we even imply that they should be. As Putin said, you cannot save a drowning man who wants to drown.
People want to be valueless, clueless atheists, they get valueless clueless atheism.

>>13579109
>See now Why I want You people fucking gone?

No, his analogy is pretty apt for someone who supposedly believes in the Bible. What are Christian parents doing other than putting their children at hazard?