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Can't make Kant gains unless you abstain from the sexual. No masturbation.

>What can I read to get what he is rambling
The Greeks

>>13496961
unironically this. Critique of Pure Reason shouldn't even be approached unless you're retaining your semen

>>13496948
read Lebrun's Kant et la fin de la métaphysique

>>13496948
>Read Kants Prolegomena. Didn't understand anything. Wtf I thought this is a introduction?
You need to read harder. Try again

READ
German Philosophy 1760-1860: The Legacy of Idealism

>>13496961
>>13497061
What's the reason behind it?

>>13497993
orgone energy br00

>>13497996
Cool, wanted to read Reich anyway

>>13497061
How long should one retain the semen unless we can understand his philosophy?

>>13496948
You read it fully? And you didn't get anything out of it?

>>13496948
i hear it's a bad introduction anyway
check out this lecture: https://youtu.be/d__In2PQS60 he explains why the prolegomena is bad somewhere in this vid

>>13496948
https://b-ok.cc/book/785479/5acc35

Read the Greeks you dumbfuck. Unironically. No joke.

If you try to read Kant, Hegel and Nietzsche you will have no god damn idea what they're talking about unless you read Plato or Aristotle first.

How many times do we have to tell you this?

>>13498419
Or you can like read Hume and be like "You know what. Whatever. Bye." in regard to Kant, Hegel, Nietzsche, Plato and Aristotle.

>>13497993
You will focus way better when you are retaining your semen cuz dopamine receptors aren’t being bombarded with dopamine from your masturbatory habit.

>>13497993

>>13498051
I enjoyed that book as well as the one on the critique of judgement, had some nice insight from the longuenesse book "power of judgement" though it's probably not something you wish to read as an introduction

>>13498756
*blocks your path while jerking off*

the Prolegomena is a litmus test, if you can't read it something has gone horribly wrong with your philosophical education. tell me anon, did you skip the early Rationalists?

>>13496948
more like probly goblina

>>13498754
no they won't shut up. you nofap people are weird

>>13496948
Read Beiser, Pinkard and SEP articles. It'd also be wise to read people he was responding to: Hume, Berkeley, Locke, Leibniz, Descartes. These lectures are pretty useful, too:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLBHxLhKiPKxDVZ1QyWMRyaJC6vRhU2qSU

>>13496948
I read Prolegomena twice before getting semblance of something. Re-read each chapter two or three times before moving on and put your nose to the grindstone by looking up kantian terms, browsing posts explaining things in short, and then returning to the text. Re-read, re-read, re-read. Watch Adam Rosenfield lectures on the prolegomena (these you only have to do once. They're VERY comfy and newer). Read the beginning of CPR a couple times. REREAD REREAD REREAD REREAD. If you want, start reading Schopenhauer too. He pretty much follows Kant up, explains him better, and corrects his wrong.

>>13498756
Source?

>>13498756
what >>13499347 posted. Continence is a good thought. But Proust, Joyce. If you don't like Joyce, then Schopenhauer. Nabokov. Tolstoy. Nietzsche. Half of them recommended chastity or at least acknowledged it for its virtue, but to say it's the ONLY WAY...

Just be moderate.

>>13500835
>Pinkard

>>13496961
>>13497061
>>13497993
>>13498008
i study kant in uni, beat my meat daily and fuck regularly
yall are just brainlets
have sex

>>13498727
kants work is a response to hume tho

>>13500970
your understanding is prob school of life-tier

>>13498756
(((Walter Siegmeister)))

>>13500970
Crimina carnis are flagrant violations of ethical duty to self, anon, not to mention contrary to natural ends.

>>13500970
>appeals to his undergrad shit as if it gives sway to his appeal to authority
>yall
>euphemisms for masturbation
>recreational sex
Very low IQ post and bugmanned.

>>13501002
mhm
>>13501024
im not interested in kant for his ethics
>>13501035
*ahem*
“have sex”
honestly, ah, and youre one of the many famous /lit/ autodidacts? i cant stand people who think philosophy can be learned in a casual or non-academic setting properly. very few can approach something like engineering outside of a formal educational context, and thinking that philosophy is any different betrays your disrespect for the field

>>13501059
Embarrassing.

>>13501059
Sometimes you can tell a poster has a low IQ just by the way they write.

>>13501067
>>13501074
and what do you study?

>>13501059
>very few can approach something like engineering outside of a formal educational context
Very few DO it, because there is no point in it. That doesn't mean they couldn't. You can learn everything on your own, all the information in the world is out there.

>>13501079
>thinks education is the same thing as intelligence
Further proof of low IQ.

>>13501079
Talk about Kant. Show these autodidacts what's what.

>>13501111
I find that people on this board have a warped understanding of the purpose of the academic context. It’s not to give you information in a certain way, but to immerse you into a tradition, to give you access to a live environment which adapts to you and which forces you to adapt to it in turn. It’s not that you *can’t* learn this stuff by yourself with the aid of loads of literature, but that doing that is extremely difficult without falling into intellectual pitfalls and losing much of what’s necessary to properly progress in the field. I think that it’s more than wonderful to study Kant by yourself, but disrespecting academia, as shit as it is right now, is completely unnecessary and pretty misguided.

>>13501126
he invented a " categorical imperative ". basically outlawed all instances of wrongdoing. he wrote the three critiques. i could post my ethics paper if i find it. sure as shit know more than those autoautists.

>>13501126
What do you want to hear about?

>>13501134
>but disrespecting academia, as shit as it is right now, is completely unnecessary and pretty misguided
Who did that

>>13501148
There’s a lot of implicit disdain for the importance of formal education in these IQ/intellectual dick-measuring contests. I’m not quite sure who’s who when I respond, but regardless, as unpalatable as it might seem to self-professed autodidacts, education and intelligence are certainly very interrelated. What *is* an indicator of low IQ is constantly appealing to IQ.

>>13501142
Just talk about Kant dude. Don't post your paper, talk about Kant.

>>13501170
i did.

>>13501170
But what do you want to hear? I’m mostly interested in early modern idealism, so I guess I know a couple things about that. I don’t think I know all that much, but what do you want to hear about? Or do you just want me to post something that sounds smart enough to meet the bar you set for some internet rando?

>>13501144
>>13501186
Pure sophistry.

>>13501142
So you know shit that a cursory read of Kant's wikipedia page could tell you?

>>13501163
Ok, i don't care about IQ or intelligence or being an autodidact. I studied a STEM subject in uni and have a job in this field. Literature and philosophy is just a hobby.
So I don't like the arrogance of some people here telling that you have to study it in an academic context to fully get it. It's cool if you chose this path but I do something else and don't want to focus my life on the humanities.

>>13501186
I wasn't talking to you, I don't think you were shitting on autodidacts itt

>>13501184
>durr he wrote 3 critiques

Thanks for nothing

>>13501142
>>13501170
Kant didn't "invent" the categorical imperative, he thought it could be derived a priori as a principle of reason. Don't trust everyone who claims to be an expert on the internet.

>>13501198
i minored in philosophy at a respected university, the fuck have you done?

>>13501211
9/10 bait

>>13501211
imagine owning yourself this hard on an anonymous image board

>>13501218
loser cope

>>13501211
>i minored in philosophy at a respected university

>>13501191
Kant was a fella who lived a while ago who thought that the issues Hume puts forward can be appropriately resolved by restricting the scope of metaphysics to the phenomenal world. In the Prolegomena, he follows this line and develops arguments for the ideality of time and space, for his understanding of the categories, etc., and by this responds to Hume’s criticisms of causality, induction, etc. That’s the focus of the Prolegomena. Contrary to how it’s commonly understood, it’s not just a simplified Critique, it offers different arguments and omits some, and has somewhat of a different focus.
>>13501194
Again, I’m not saying you can’t study it on your own time. I’m just responding to the shitters who think that being in uni for philosophy is stupid or means nothing.
>>13501196
Actually you probably were. And I’m not shitting on them, I’m saying that a structured, formal learning environment *does* make a difference and *is* worth quite a bit.

>>13501224
He owned himself from his very first post with the low IQ stylometry indicating he is clearly an idiot, further proved by his aggrandizement of the base elements of humanity (have sex, beat meat). All this paired with viewing study as some accomplishment to be measured against others really proved he was some undergrad midwit at best.

>>13501246
Mm, that’s not me, I’m the other undergrad nitwit.
Have sex.

>>13501238
No it wasn't you, I could tell, and you passed. The other guy had a wikipedia-tier summary and got shown up

>>13501246
>>13501250
Also, unduly privileging the “higher” elements of humanity at the expense of the “lower” really shows that you need to get in touch with a little more of where philosophy went after about 150 years ago.

>>13500970
Based

>>13501231
pray tell. what the fuck have you done with your life ?
>>13501246
and yet....i went to a prestigious institution which disproves like all this shit.
sour fucking grapes.

>>13501257
Very low IQ post.

>>13501264
I majored in philosophy and graduated with honors

>>13501170
Cringe. This is that guy in an argument who just asks for the most extraneous details because hes got no real brainpower to fight with. Its like a boxing match with a paraplegic who thinks that Because you cant cause physical pain by kicking his wheel chair, hes winning the fight

>>13501269
The higher elements are inextricable from the lower. Philosophy should be close to things like sex. Don’t be boring.

>>13501277
Nah I just like outing pseuds.

>>13501264
My gucci's in the cleaners faggot

>>13501280
>>13501257
>le current year
>don't be boring
Confirmed cumbrain with burned out dopamine receptors. Certainly NOT gonna make it.

>>13501282
It doesnt count as outing pseuds plural when your dipshit ass just outs yourself again and again

>>13501283
As sad as it is, you’d probably benefit from Cosmo articles about getting in touch with your needs. Or a psychoanalyst.

>>13501291
I haven't outed myself yet, im not the one posting wikipedia summaries on Kant. If you want me to spin some shit off the top of my head I will

>>13501296
>reading Cosmo
Either bait (again) or terminal case. Regardless, too late for you.

>>13501300
I want you to post a gif of you fucking a lukewarm ziplock of gummy warms with your smelly shrimp dick

>>13501300
You've outed yourself as a brainlet in this post and every single other one. Just leave this corner of the internet.

>>13501254
>>13501300
Just FYI, I’m the one who posted the original “I study Kant and fuck, have sex.”
And I’m
>>13501238

>>13501310
oh epic bro zzzzz

>>13501312
zzzzz

>>13501305
That’s the point, friend, YOU would benefit from reading COSMO. That’s how far gone you are.

>>13501319
>i-i don't have brain damage -y-you need to read Cosmo. Reeeeeee

>>13501318
Wheres the gif?

Come on, you talk big. I ain't never read a kant book in my life, never even picked one up by that little runt. Now either nut on the worms or can it

>>13501316
Sounds like denial that you fucked up and embarrassed yourself time and again, so you assume an alter ego. How convenient.

>>13501327
Sweetie, do you want my girlfriend to tell you to have sex?

>>13501331
Dog just stop

>>13498756
wasn't Nietzsche allegedly a chronic masturbator?

>>13501334
Proofs. I’m also a phoneposter.

>>13501336
What a fucking pussy. I bet you cant even read. That other guy demolished you in debate

Bowie recorded Station to Station while fucking like crazy and doing heroic amounts of cocaine

>>13501348
>Im a chronic masturbator and can regurgitate undergrad summaries of Kant

yeah blown away here

>>13501346
Both posters were idiots.

>>13501349
Dopamine stimulant counters prolactin. Not sustainable.

>>13501357
You're weak. Post better shit than that guy, gummy worm dick

>>13501357
https://vocaroo.com/i/s13YyYzLVGOO

>>13501360
as are you

>>13501378
>no you

>>13501373
What a savage. Based

can't back this up because haven't reach kant yet but anyways maybe it can help OP and other lost souls

>>13501390
That’s right, that’s what your post amounted to. I think it’s you.

>>13501373
lmao

>>13501400
But you clearly were trying to separate yourself from an idiot but at the same time did not realize you also were an idiot.

>>13501370
What Kant is trying to communicate with his notion of synthetic a priori truths is a certain kind of productivity inherent to space and time with epistemological consequences. For example, the triangle is both a three-sided shape, and a shape whose angles add up to 180 degrees. Taken strictly (that is, analytically) by itself, the second property cannot be derived from the first. Identity statements are insufficient for knowledge, experience has an intrinsic, spatiotemporal structure whose intelligibility has direct consequences on our knowing and how we know. The object does not presuppose intelligibility, intelligibility is always-already presupposed by our experience of the object (as is also its object-hood, since even the raw schematization of sense-data does not inherently presuppose something like an object, the object is as transcendental as the subject, by their mutual positing experience is constructed, but a positing that can only be disclosed in and through cognition, hence the two revolve around a kind of abyssal = x through which both nature and the subject emerge as the other's transcendental condition)

>>13501409
But
>>13501254
said I passed! I can’t be the idiot.

>>13501416
Being this neurotic is a sign you're mentally ill.

>>13501411
That's stupid and you're stupid

>>13501411
Man, Kant is great.

>>13501418
But I have sex! I can’t be mentally ill.

>>13501436
Mental patients have sex all the time.

>>13501440
But you don’t.

Our minds have what he calls a priori intuitions and a priori categories. A priori intuitions are space and time. The a priori categories are pic related.

"A priori" means that the intuitions and categories are experienced prior to empirical observation. They are projected onto our experience of the world. For example, the category of causality and dependence allows us to observe causal chains between objects. According to Kant, the when you see a rock fly into a window and smash the window, the causation we observe is not a fact of the event but instead something our minds project onto the event.

This results in there being a phenomenal world and a noumenal world. The phenomenal world is the world that we experience; it is filtered through the intuitions of space and time as well as the twelve categories. The noumenal world is the world independent of our minds, and neither of the intuitions nor any of the categories apply to noumenal objects. What you see in front of you is your computer monitor as a phenomenal object; but you can't know what it's like as a noumenal object. We can't imagine an object that doesn't have a position in space or time and doesn't have the categories applied to it. It is beyond human understanding.

To reiterate, we cannot know anything about noumenal objects. This is because we do not have any empirical experience of them, and they are not a priori but instead a posteriori (knowledge of them requires empirical observation). In addition to the noumenal objects "behind" our phenomenal experience, there are also objects like God that are noumenal because we require empirical observation to confirm or deny any fact about them.

Kant is here trying to solve the divide between the Rationalists (Descartes, Spinoza, Leibniz, Malebranche) and the Empiricists (Bacon, Hobbes, Locke, Berkeley, Hume) of the early modern period. The Rationalists thought you could prove certain things (such as God) through mathematics-esque approaches divorced of any empirical observation (a priori), whereas the Empiricists insisted on sensory observation (a posteriori) was the only source of knowledge. Thus, Kant is much like a Rationalist who was very informed by Empiricist concerns. He rejected both the dogma of the earlier Rationalists as well as the skepticism of the Empiricists, and termed his approach "critique". The stuff about our inability to have knowledge of noumena is how he countered the dogma of the Rationalists through Empiricist insights. He countered the skepticism of the Empiricists by asserting that the a priori faculties of the mind are universal among rational beings. This means that every rational being can experience the twelve categories as well as the two intuitions. He also believed this of mathematics and logic, as he thought they were a priori faculties of the mind. So while they are not part of the objective (noumenal) world, they are still universally necessary among us, contra the Empiricists

>>13501423
Yeah but I bet you couldn't even begin to tell me why, right? Stay mad fuckboy

>>13501455
One thing: the intuitions aren’t “projected” onto our experience of the world; they are how our experience is *structured*. Like a filter, or maybe a font or even a language.

>>13501477
Where the gummy worms at

>>13501455
>pic related

>>13501493
Hey does daddy know you're spending his money on an education I got for free? Keep posting about my dick though bitch

>>13501502
Smells gummy

>>13501518
zzzz

>>13501542
Sorry you got a kant interpretation

>>13501544
I don't care if someone knows Kant or not. Just dont talk shit if you can't back it up

>>13501548
I'm not that guy. I've never read the dipshit you gummy worm dick

>>13501555
Ite bro have a good night