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Science discovers the physiological value of continence.

Plain Facts for Old and Young.

>>13394193
mantak chia

go deep. go hard. go all in. reject the enslavement of modern pleasures. transcend the sterile narrative of 19th century materialism that even the "greatest" minds of our time proselytize.

The Bible
Sayings of the Desert Fathers

>>13394193

>>13394272
t. can't control himself so he thinks it is impossible and tries to convince others to keep them stuck like him.
Misery loves company.

Libido dominanty

>>13394193
The Persian Boy

>>13394200
saw these suggestions here before, they really helped me.

>>13394311
What's that an excerpt from?

>>13394325
see
>>13394272

>>13394325
plain facts for old and young.

>>13394329
Kys
>>13394335
Is the entire book about that?

>>13394346
>Is the entire book about that?
No, it's mostly about castration.

>>13394346
a good bit of it is. most of it is good advice anyways. read the whole thing.

>>13394193
practice of brahmacharya by sivananda

>>13394464
Another good one.

Not a fan of YBOP.

>>13394311
except no fap is related to higher incidence of prostate cancer. though i say this is a risk that is worth taking for self mastery

>>13394868
Citation

>>13394868
>except no fap is related to higher incidence of prostate cancer.
Lower*
Especially for men in their 20s.

>Sexual activity and prostate cancer risk in men diagnosed at a younger age
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1464-410X.2008.08030.x

>Whereas frequent overall sexual activity in younger life (20s) increased the disease risk, it appeared to be protective against the disease when older (50s). Alone, frequent masturbation activity was a marker for increased risk in the 20s and 30s

>Prostate cancer mortality among Catholic priests.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7242091/

>>13395029
They're evil.

read Kant. doesn't talk about masturbation specifically but he will help fix your broken mind and give you the framework needed to realize no good can come of it.

Walden

>>13395474
the first or the second one?

>>13395058
yeah people should just die of gluten allergies and accept it

>>13395557
Thoreau's Walden, chapter 11: Higher Laws.

"The generative energy, which, when we are loose, dissipates and makes us unclean, when we are continent invigorates and inspires us. Chastity is the flowering of man; and what are called Genius, Heroism, Holiness, and the like, are but various fruits which succeed it."

>>13395596
based.

>>13395587
That's right.

>>13395458
not op but which work by Kant in particular

>>13395998
The chapter crimina carnis from lectures on ethics

>>13395587
>berry tribe coping again

>>13394272
anyone have a pdf of this?

>>13395587
Double digit post.

>>13397869
>good times create weak men

>>13397869
>homosexuality serves constructive purpose

Any good books written in the past year on this?

>>13397869
unironically based and redpilled. larping "christians" will be seething at this truth.

I NEED A BOOK ON NO WEED DUDES

The last psychiatrist. It's a blog and the topic is (often) porn, not fapping per se. But that's probably the real problem anyway.

>>13399317
Isn't he dead?

>>13398940
Cut off ur dick and dilate

>>13395458
unironically this, read kant to sublimate a bit of that excess energy towards your mind, too, while you're chaste. it honestly helps.

>>13397869
The right side is based.

>>13399538
where do I start?

>>13397869
>a refutation of "cumbrain"
lmao

>>13398940
>Nofap is christian concept

>>13394193

>Denying yourself what little minimal pleasure you can have control over in this absolutely shitty life because some internet people promise you it cures all ailments.

Just don't fap 20 times a day and try to use your imagination instead of using porn.

New testament

>>13400393
>damage your imagination faculties too.

>>13400393
Bad advice

>>13400393
Brings more misery than pleasure. Disrupts states of joy.

>>13397869
catullus is based suck it virgin

>>13400982
so was marcus aurelius.

>>13400393
Whats actually wrong with porn? You are just as bad as them

>>13400364
There used to be an old myth among sportsmen not to have sex on the night before the tournament but it turned out to just be superstition

>>13401457
Turned out to be true if Ali and Tyson are any example.

>>13401452
it makes slaves of men

bump

>>13394311
I really like kellog's writing style.

Isn't there a copy of Kellog's book online

>>13402886
https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/19924

>>13402888
I meant the book about castration but thanks anyway anon

>>13402900
Kellogg didn't write any books on castration.

>>13397869
>a cumbrain went through the effort to make this because the cumbrain meme btfo'd him so hard

>>13399538
lol not being able to read kant and orgasm repeatedly daily

>>13402940
Imagine pretending to read Kant and yet somehow manage to get nothing out of it and forgo applying his framework to your brain and life. Not gonna make it.

>>13394193
Surprised nobody has mentioned it so far: Confessions by St. Augustine

>For this was what I was longing to do; but as yet I was bound by the iron chain of my own will. The enemy held fast my will, and had made of it a chain, and had bound me tight with it. For out of the perverse will came lust, and the service of lust ended in habit, and habit, not resisted, became necessity. By these links, as it were, forged together--which is why I called it “a chain”--a hard bondage held me in slavery. But that new will which had begun to spring up in me freely to worship thee and to enjoy thee, O my God, the only certain Joy, was not able as yet to overcome my former willfulness, made strong by long indulgence. Thus my two wills--the old and the new, the carnal and the spiritual--were in conflict within me; and by their discord they tore my soul apart.

>>13402968
>Implying that anybody consults the categorical imperative before performing an action
>Implying philosophy isn't just useless speculation with no practical application

>>13402968
>thinking kant will 'help you make it'
ok freshman

>>13402975
>not being able to create accord between the carnal and the spiritual

>>13401452
Did you read the memes? They're actually based on real study. Porn is extremely addictive, alters your brain chemistry, creates a Skinner box effect, and 'fries" your dopamine receptors. Your mind is not meant for such stimulation. You couldn't match porns ultra stimulation with daily sex.
The epitome of hypermodern, soulless and shallow pleasure seeking.

>>13403027
>>13403029
seething namefag.

>>13403445
you have link for DL ?

>>13403498
I've seen it online before.

>>13400773
>>13400617

This is literally retarded.
If you have access to sex in any form and would have sex, say, a few times a month, I'm sure you people are ok with that.
If you masturbated exactly those same amounts of time, in case you don't have access to sex, I'm sure you people will say this is somehow irreversibly damaging to the brain.
Can you please tell me how you think your studies justify this, or maybe even better. Tell me how scared you are that evil sex and evil vagina are stealing your precious brain power.

This is the modern day succubus tale.

>>13403521
Semen retention isn't a joke. The more strictly it is observed, the stronger its benefits.

>>13403838
unironically this, can personally confirm

>>13403521
pro-tip: if redditors like this say some shit like "this is just modern-day [medieval superstition], what are you dumb?" do the complete opposite of everything they say

/fit/ here

unless i hold back the nut, i literally cannot progress in my bench, it even drops ten or so pounds

>>13403521
>thinks succubi aren't real
Yeah, I think you have to go back

it is a real problem. very tough to get rid of.

Not a single person has mentioned Your Brain On Porn by Gary Wilson

>>13395596
Thoreau was a pussy bitch wanna-be Heidegger fagola
Whitman and Emerson are where it's at

I’m reading every post in this thread and trying to pull gems of wisdom. I’ve been addicted to masturbation and porn for too many years. I’ve slowly learned good habits like nutrition, diet, running 20-30 miles a week, reading books and learning skills. But I can’t shake this almost last demon of jerking off and stupid porn websites with recycled themes and images. Instagram doesn’t help of course

>>13405641
You're never going to make it

>>13405641
You can do it. Remember, avoid thoughts and triggers. Do something else.

>>13405037
That's because it's crap and Gary Wilson never got rid of his sexual habit. Otherwise he wouldn't be so physically weak. He is having release at least once daily.

>>13394193

Go on one of those live webcam porn sites, or go on twitch on those girls that have saucy picture patreons and stream with their boobs hanging out.
Watch them get paid in one week what you get paid in three months.
Let the rage become motivation on you to never let them have the upper hand again by controlling this urge you have.
Every time you think of opening porn think of some random 20, 30 something girl getting paid thousands of times your salary just to play videogames by a frenzied mob of virgins who believe they have a shot at having sex with her.

Side effects of this might include you never wanting to be in a relationship again but it seems a small price to pay for overcoming masturbation and porn addiction.

This book helped me with that issue after I read Meditations by Marcus Aurelius two times in a row. I also have the Critique of judgment in my bookshelf and I'm about to throw a glance.
>>13395458
And like already mentioned, the topic is not addressed but it gives you the kind of framework.

Now let's forget all those who are talking about 100 days and let us be realistic. I'm on day 25 nofap. No porn and no masturbation.
And I tell you it is a piece of reason to get that far.

It is said that men think of sex every 7 seconds. The hardest mode on nofap is also no penetration into your mind. And that is kinda the hardest thing about it!
Granted, I can do it most of the time but not always. Sometimes you are too horny for some minutes but then you have to stay strong and do not let it into your head. I don't want to reveal that much more, maybe you can imagine how I feel right now. Oh boy, it is a self experiment.

>>13405685
cursed post

>>13405771
Look at the men in sleezy baggy suits rubbing their hands who run the porn companies instead. Think of them rubbing their hands and getting money and knowing they are brain washing you. Imagine calluses forming from rubbing them so much as they mutter "good.....GOOOD" beneath their breath. That should scare you even more and no need to watch more to realize this is reality.

>>13405810

There are no porn tycoons running the average e-sports stream or almost any other daily situation where girls are profiting from the same urges.
Of course it's a circle but it's all possible because there are always men willing to do whatever the fuck, literally whatever needed, to get some crumbs of vagina, or at least some imagery of it.

>>13405862
Two sides of the same coin.

>>13405862
Haha, it was obvious that it was obvious. Now this is a spook created by men. Thanks for the discovery and the hint, lets not forget about that one.

>>13394193
Bible my son, you dumb yoghurt cock.

>>13394193

>>13403058
>real study
you mean cherry picked studies that had their conclusion in mind before even going in

>>13406220
That's not how it works.

>>13406220
>you mean cherry picked studies
If they are cherry picked provide the studies that show the opposite...
Or are you just making shit up?

>>13394193
>try nofap multiple times
>can't sleep, wake up every hour

>>13406298
Because you're 19

>>13394193
I have to do no-fap because of a squatting injury. The injury didn't happen during training, it was an unfortunate event. I kept re-injuring myself so I'm laying low for a while.

>>13406315
mentally I'm probably still 15, physically I'm 22.
I honest to god only masturbate to sleep now, porn got boring years ago.

>>13406241
Not going to spoonfeed NoFappers. Stay chaste if you want

>>13406329
Do you smoke weed?

>>13406333
You're the one who raised criticism which you failed to substantiate. You used meme words like a redditor does with scientific topics. You lost.

>>13406359
Enjoy your prostate cancer tho

>>13406361
Enjoy YOUR prostate cancer.


>Sexual activity and prostate cancer risk in men diagnosed at a younger age
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1464-410X.2008.08030.x

>Whereas frequent overall sexual activity in younger life (20s) increased the disease risk, it appeared to be protective against the disease when older (50s). Alone, frequent masturbation activity was a marker for increased risk in the 20s and 30s

>Prostate cancer mortality among Catholic priests.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7242091/

>>13403077
>not being able to post without recourse to meme group think format

I give you the bumps

this meme is awesome, it makes cumbrains so fucking mad

>>13406979
It's normal retard. Literally everyone does it.

>>13407028
Ad populum argument.

>>13407028
Fallacious argument.

>>13403521
Based moderate elicits much cope.
> Don't listen to this guy 'cause I said so
> lol of course my hentai fantasy critter is real, r-right guys?

>>13406203
Worthwhile

>>13405793
Listen to yourself. Do you really believe men think of sex every seven seconds? You are a man. You know this not to be true.

>>13394193

>>13407650

>>13407658

>>13400296
yeah but if the dopamine receptors are fried and whatnot then what good does nofap does someone that's already been in on it? there's no recovery, just like broken kidneys, mgiht as well drink themselves ead

>>13406361
>F-Fuck, I've exposed myself as a total retard
>lemme try to make a funny
enjoy your impotence tho
https://youtu.be/7oFVOJf0TzY

>>13407650
I'm around day 180 and I never suffered through some of the urges mentioned in this image and I find it a bit exaggerated, maybe because I have never been addicted to porn.

>>13407341
I know it sounds silly. I have it from another source and don't believe it.
As if one would think of it every 7 seconds, it's a new level of nonsensical.

>>13394248
What if I like to play Skyrim?

>>13406203
>that font choice
Dropped

>>13407665

>>13394193
the mind illuminated

learn how to meditate and you'll be able to handle such urges better

>>13394193
Josefine Mitzenbacher - die Geschichte einer wienerischen Dirne

>>13394283
>that pic
I’ve never seen a more misguided and retarded interpretation of the cave

>>13394283
This scares the cumbrain.

>>13394193
Your Brain on Porn

http://www.rebootnation.org/forum/index.php?topic=11997.50

halfway through this
hoping it helps

>>13406298
I tried nofap a couple of weeks ago and had a constant itching like sensation and urge and I couldn't do it. That's when I became aware its nothing else but addiction, I did because of the sole fact I was addicted to it and I was able to go on no fap after that. Also I got testicular torsion and almost lost both of my testicle because of excessive mastrubation after it blocked the blood flow and my testicles would literally rot away after 6 hours if I didn't go to immideate surgery so that was fun

>>13394193
Meditations by Marcus Aurelius and then read other Stoic works

No fap? I thought you were a woman because of your tripfagging, attention seeking way. Turns out I'm just sexist

>>13407650
lol omg thinking masturbation has anything to do with discipline

OMG I CANt get anything done because orgasms

read this, some anonymous dude took a book about kicking alcohol or drug addictions and modified it to be about pornography addiction. https://sites.google.com/site/hackbookeasypeasy/home

>>13412694
Good resource. Thanks for posting it again. Helps out many.

>>13412951
We're all on the same team out here. That's how I see it, anyway.

>>13412969
Good man.

>>13394874
ndrdog's comment concerns me

>>13413665
Why?

>>13410209
Can you read this before you read any of his other works?

>>13412096
Stinkhand argument

Plato's Phaedrus and Philebus

I think No Fap is good, but if you don't have a girlfriend, you will be overwhelmed with loneliness and lust that will unironically make you into a worse person. If you have a girlfriend, you have no excuse to be using pornography in the slightest and it is laughable that people cuck themselves by watching porn when in a relationship.

>>13415032
It's easier to find a relationship after you do nofap anyhow

Your Brain On Porn is THE NoFap book. It's the definitive book on the subject.

That said, I didn't stop jerking of regularly for another 4 years or so after reading it, and I still struggle with it.

The trick is not thinking about it as much as you do when you're focusing on NoFap. If you're doing that ideal, it still means you're thinking about porn. Instead, focus on another positive thing that masturbating will get in the way of.

I know if I jerk off a lot, I'm not going to feel as good or fresh in the morning. I'm not going to be as positive. I'm going to be a little more insecure. By not masturbating, I'm going to be fresher, more presentable. A little more confident. And, if I get a chance at sex, I'll be a little more sexually energetic.

A lot of the NoFap stuff is bullshit, and I don't believe you need to cut out masturbation completely. I do, however, think you need to limit it, ideally to 2 times per week or less. Or rather, I need to do that. It makes me feel better. I know part of it's mental, and that's fine.

>>13415091
see >>13405758

>>13405793
Day 27 now btw.

>>13415087
How so. I agree with the discipline aspect of No Fap and not supporting the porn industry, but this sort of Reddit "Super power" stuff seems completely dishonest.

>>13415137
based.

>>13415122
I did see that before I made my reply, but besides it being ridiculous, it's also irrelevant. The book isn't about how to overcome porn addiction, it's about the negative neurological effects of porn addiction.

>>13415157
He offers bad advice and limits it to just porn whenever masturbation and sexual excesses are just as just as likely to precipitate the same effects. Something he does not touch on, either because he was never able to be entirely continent or because he does not want to offend.

>>13415165
I literally don't care. It has some good points on the neurological impacts, but if you actually read my post, you'll see that I'm not even recommending it. I did say it was the major book on the subject, but I also point out that the key isn't to focus on NoFap, but rather to focus on the positive things that masturbating habitually gets in the way of.

>>13415169
Fair enough.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_ubJpVy5bM

This is how I look on nofap @0:10
It's my nofap soundtrack btw.

>>13415195
Reminder. music stimulates prefrontal cortex.
Opposite effect of sexual arousal. Often capable of preventing it entirely. Listening to music while going for walks during the initial week is VERY theraputic.

>>13406203
I wasn't going to read it because it was too long but I forced myself to read it. Fantastic piece

>>13415536
read the first two books suggested in the thread also my friend.

>why yes, I did come to discover that semen retention is of immense benefit, how could you tell?

>mfw I've managed to not touch my willie for a day
Baby steps baby, I'm taking the nofap november challenge this year

>>13415957
It's not a challenge. It is a liberation from a terrible bondage.