/lit/ - Literature

>>13371820
The joke's on you if you can't keep up.

I don't get what would be funny about it if it were

>>13371820
Skip the foreword
Lands editor is clearly a sycophant and it’s pretty eye roll inducing, but land himself is pretty fun to read desu

I wish I knew enough about Philosophy to understand Land

:(

>>13371824

>excessive use of ambiguous technical terms that would lose entirely their drama and profundity if broken into ordinary language
>cultivation of unfalsifiable pet theories

Welcome to the ideology olympics of continental philosophy

>>13371824
This fast frenz

But we're here to help not be hostile. That's Capital's job.

https://www.reddit.com/r/askphilosophy/comments/b3kwta/what_should_i_read_to_understand_accelerationism/

https://jacobitemag.com/2017/05/25/a-quick-and-dirty-introduction-to-accelerationism/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerationism

https://www.reddit.com/r/sorceryofthespectacle/comments/bk2fl1/a_quick_rundown_on_accelerationism/

>>13371824
Capitalism is a progressive, destructive force. Marx literally condenses all of this down into a single sentence. The post-human endgame is novel but is ultimately as unpalatable as Marx's withering away of the state. So why care?

>>13372066
I'd suggest adding xenogothic's primer to your list, fren.

https://xenogothic.com/2019/03/04/a-u-acc-primer/

It's probably the best short-form starting point for getting a handle on what accelerationism even is along with a smattering of examples of how it is applied in different contexts.

>>13372142
One might care because the endgame of capital fused with technology is indeed unpalatable to the human subject?
-Unpalatable might not be the correct word here either - we may find ourselves as the sort of host-body that these processes feed off of and eventually grow out of. Humanity, a carapace to be shrugged off.

Absolute retard here:

Whenever someone asks for recs regarding anything beyond postmodernism, fanged noumena and cyclonopedia are always the first two that get rec'd. What the fuck is this stuff? How do you get into it?

Me and Nick land are among the few individuals to fully understand the implications of Deleuzean thought and achieve the BwO. It is no coincidence that we both went insane soon after. Six visits to the psych ward later after deterritorializing myself with hardcore psychedelics, I have now returned to the fold of Platonism. The ethics of difference, it would seem, end only in a padded cell or a coffin. For my mother's sake, I now adhere to virtue ethics. Kinda miss fucking bipolar scene sluts but then again that's probably how I ended up with HIV. I only hope my future wife can forgive me my immature philosophical infatuation.

>>13372186
Fanged Noumena was written while Land was doing drugs and the fun is in how nonsensical it is.

>>13372186
see >>13371824 for a quick and dirty overview of Fanged Noumena.

>What the fuck is this stuff?

For an overview on accelerationism as a topic, check out-
https://xenogothic.com/2019/03/04/a-u-acc-primer/

Basically the endgame of self-organizing systems-complexity, applied to the melding of capital and technology (in the case of Fanged Noumena) along with attempts at apprehensions of an 'Outside' force that has the properties of the Kantian noumena (i.e. is entirely unknowable - unable to be conceived in any proper sense) which push and poke these larger systems.

-There's lots of varieties of accelerationism though. You brought up Cyclonopedia, which I haven't read yet, though I have read a few of Reza's essays. For him the subject of acceleration is reason itself. A thing within us which manifests itself in ways that assist its own betterment.

For Nyx (G/ACC) it's the acceleration of gender (though really the human subject as such) past it's previously outlined behavioral/social/creative limits by bootstrapping gender-eroding hypersitions into technocapital itself.

>How do you get into it?
Philosophy grad. Big into horror. Work in tech. Enjoy researching ideas that are shunted by society at large I guess.

>>13371824
https://youtu.be/aSLTOWg7Zvc

>>13372347
>listening to degenerate, commoditized pop music
back to your containment board, please

>>13372347
>>13372186

>>13372368
>[Refrain]
>I can't keep up!
>Can't keep up!
>Can't keep up!
>Out of step, with the world!
>I can't keep up!
>Can't keep up!
>Can't keep up!
>Out of step, with the world!

>>13372393
pop music about how bad pop music is is still pop music

>>13372404
Minor Threat is pop music now? I can't decide if that is awesome or cancerous

>>13371820
A dirty joke, in fact...

So beyond capitalism and accelerating its process of destratification what's accelerationism about ?
Why do i hear some people talk about it and mixing it with transhumanism for example ? I can't really understand what the fuck is even being talked about when people discuss the topic half the time

I have a lot of questions but the first one I have to ask is: how is being accelerstionist put into practice? Would your actions in life be any different, viewed from a 3rd party, than a regular neoliberal?

its like wordgame or sport for academics in the humanities played to justify their positions, grants etc.

Why Land still pulls this bullshit when he is no longer a conventional academic is beyond me.

>>13372404
I think it was in reference to his inability to keep up with what was posted in that image, silly.

Get it?

Acceleration?

Too Fast?

Can't keep up?

>>13372420
depends what sort of politics you follow, accelerationism as a philosophy doesn't really make claims about what you should do

>>13372420
I work in tech (degree in physics, bunch of machine learning and data science projects) and the work I do and the work tangential to mine horrifies me every day, so there's that
Some days I think everyone who works in or even supports my field should be shot to prevent whatever is coming, but then I rationalize it as inevitable anyway

>>13372430
surely descriptive writings about society are political.

marx was 90% descriptive

>>13372409
yes. pop music is everything that can trace its influence to 50s american popular music proper/doowop/rocknroll.
>>13372429
you dont understand

>>13372450
>Some days I think everyone who works in or even supports my field should be shot to prevent whatever is coming
Why ? What do you think is coming ?

>>13372413
In a really, really broad sense it's generally about boostrapping other ideas/memes onto that process (along with a sort of study of how that process works in its own right). If you accept that capital and technology are going to keep developing alongside each-other at an accelerating rate and that this is basically a brute-fact of life in our civilization now, if you can implant that process with your own 'hyperstition' (ideas, memes) you can allow the greater system to carry your idea further and faster into the future than you otherwise would be able to.

>>13372452
right wing accelerationist disagree with left wing accelerationists who both disagree with unconditional accelerationists who all disagree with deccelerationists

>>13372368
>hardcore
>pop music
https://youtu.be/wuDx6_PLIVk
I'm sorry
For something that I didn't do
Lynched somebody
But I don't know who
You blame me for slavery
A hundred years before I was born
Guilty of being white

>>13372450
Right? It does feel kind of inevitable doesn't it? Like yeah, even if all of us were to be killed/stopped/the tech made illegal, somebody (with money/power) is going to want that technology. It's going to get built. If not here, then somewhere else.

It's a deathspiral. A race towards our own removal, as fast as possible so someone else can't get there first.

>>13372454
(7:36 specifically)
https://youtu.be/7v8zxoEoA_Q
https://youtu.be/71PZL_D6VS4

How does Land compare? Does he type with the back end of a pen or something?

>>13372459
Look up the contractor Palantir, one of the most absurdly profitable companies in Silicon Valley and an interesting case study in how disturbing "big data" companies have gotten. Of their two big products, one is predictive crime and terrorism data mining (police departments have used it to literally predict the newest members of gangs based on their social activity and proactively crack down on them BEFORE crime happens) and the other is data mining for companies to use internally for "predictive security purposes," ie to hammer down any disgruntled nails before they even start sticking out. Both have already fostered horror stories of serious abuse, but no regulatory body is ever going to be capable of keeping up with the pace of these things.
These projects, big and small, have more money going into them than even I understand. The finance system as a whole is now so automated, predictive, and recursive that whatever human influence on it still remains is lost in a sea of algorithms, and one day it's going to disappear. I don't know if anyone will even notice.

>>13372488
Pretty much. Applying the ethical brakes to technological development among the mainstream stem crowd doesn't make any sense to them, they somehow have this vague notion that they're clean of any ideological ties because of their own ignorance. In their eyes, philosophy and the entire concept of morality is at best a distracting waste of time and at worst a bunch of angry baristas trying to hold back the glorious stem future. These people are fucking venomous.

>>13371824
Joke's on you. The church fathers and western mystics already answered the question.

>>13372820
Withdrawal and cultivation of your own soul work on an individual level as an escape from runaway capital but say nothing about the external system itself and its consequences
It is a dodging of the question by rejection of the question's subject, not an answer

>>13372846
>withdrawal and cultivation of your own soul
Read them again, because you did not understand. You cannot save your own soul unless you save the souls of others. No one can save themselves. Capitalism is the cult of the individual. Catholicism offers the only escape.

>>13372066
>reddit

go back!

>>13372868
Catholicism on the societal level has already lost man, I'm as sorry about it as you
The machine overtook conventional religious systems at least two centuries ago and has no intentions of looking back

>>13372912
>the gates of hell will not prevail against it
clearly, you do not believe. That's okay. It is hard these days. You are not alone, and God still loves you. So long as you live, you can be saved. Do not despair, for God is with you, and God cannot fail.

>>13372926
Even if you firmly believe in Catholicism, the eventual End of Days triumph of God has no bearing on the current material domination of secular capital and its finer details, they are entirely divorced concepts unless you're talking in the "nothing in the universe isn't about God" framework that retarded American Protestants are so entrenched in
If I'm trying to figure out how to bake a cake and you tell me all I need to do is have faith in God and He will tell of the right ingredients and their respective proportions according to His Divine Plan, you aren't helping, you're just being obnoxious

>>13372902
haha, well memed my fellow kekistani brother!

>>13372995
>has no bearing on the current material domination of secular capital and its finer details

Do me a solid and read the Book of Daniel, anon.

>>13372995
Everything is about God. That is a Catholic teaching. The way the protestants have understood it was an obvious error which they were warned about. Whatever the current material condition, it does not matter in comparison to God. The most important and most beautiful thing in life is the Eucharist. Make mass the center of your life, and by degrees you will begin to find meaning and clarity. It is not as bad yet as Nero, but the more you place politics above a devout life, the worse it will get for all of us. This is not to say ignore politics; rather it means politics, art, literature, commerce--none of these things have any meaning whatsoever outside of a devout life. No matter what, we will all suffer. No matter how wonderful life on Earth becomes, it will still be a perpetual suffering to the extent that we are not with God. But, when you enter into Christ's sacrifice at Mass, your suffering is transformed with his. Let flowers of love and beauty grow from the river of your tears. Help others, and you will be helped. Expect no reward except final salvation.

>>13372868
Imagine still defending that cult of pedophiles and rapists.

The only salvation they offer is the salvation from your virginity at the hands of a priest.

>>13373067
Imagine saving amateur drawings of little girls and complaining about pedophiles. Imagine rejecting the waters of life because the table is dirty.

>>13373040
>No, no, this time the apocalyptic prophecies are really about us, it's our time guys, I'm really serious this time guys
>>13373060
Great, that's all well and good, but you are both shutting down a political discussion by saying it isn't important and simultaneously claiming we shouldn't ignore politics. The only conclusion to draw is that you care about politics, but want this particular political discussion to end because you dislike it.
Engage in a political discussion or avoid it if you want, but it is incredibly disingenuous to cancel the discussion whenever it touches on sensitive subjects and hide behind your love of the Eucharist as an excuse.

>>13373103
>No, no, this time the apocalyptic prophecies are really about us, it's our time guys, I'm really serious this time guys

Take a look at Jung. Archetypes repeat in history. We dance and sing different covers from the same primordial song.

>>13373060
>"Let's discuss the material world"
>"The material world is important and can't be ignored, but God transcends the material world and even more important"
>"Okay sure but we're limiting our scope to the material world in this discussion"
>"Actually, ignore the material world. Don't in general, but do right now"
Breadposters remain incorrigible pricks to the end

>>13373080
>Imagine rejecting the waters of life because the table is dirty.

Dirty with the assblood of defiled children and the jizz of their robed rapists, yes. That sounds like the churchs' table. Stained over centuries.

And the waters of life? Dude that's cheap wine that some guy pretended to do magic on - telling you it's the blood of some ancient demigod who's his own dad but also everything. I can get that shit at a concert and have a way better time.

>>13373080
That's a very good drawing to be honest.

Catholics and Christians get out.

I really doubt you guys read ALL the required reading to finally reach the point of understanding of near all philosophy to the time of Nick Land.
Many esteemed university professors wouldn't qualify since they skipped parts by not understanding them or focused to much on one area by narrowing doen on it to achieve their goal of becoming established.
Sure you could also jsut pick up Nick Land after a couple wikipedia articles, but frankly if you didn't dwell on many 19-20th century philosophers and on all the previous philosophers necessary to understand them, you probably aren't to far removed from the dude who read couple major works, school of life and then picked up Fanged Noumena.

To be fair, you have to have a very high social and emotional intelligence to understand Nick Land. The neologisms are extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of technocapital most of the ideas will go over a slow reader's head. There's also Land's cyberfeminist outlook, which is deftly woven into his quantonarratives - his antihumanism draws heavily from postwave gendermarxism, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the social-intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these intelligences, to realize that they're not just profound - they say something deep about NONLIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Nick Land truly ARE idiots - of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the meaning in Land's self-exit hyperstitional meanderings, which in themselves are a cryptic reference to Marx's anti-German science of Capital-machines self-replicating into the future. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those hyperaddlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Nick Land's genius unfolds itself from the future noumena. What fools... how I pity them. And yes by the way, I DO have a "Who is NeoChina's G-d?" tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for Capital's eyes only - and even it has to demonstrate that it's within 5 social and emotional intelligence points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand.

bump

>>13373228
>muh pedo priests
>muh complete inability to understand statistics
>muh inability to separate an office from men holding it

>>13372055
the whole point is to make windy words concise, and in doing so, our thoughts precise
you retard

>>13372055
Thank God he writes that way so that brainlets like you are weeded out.

>>13372995
>>13373060
Catholicism? Youll grow out of it

>>13372796
>philosophy and the entire concept of morality is at best a distracting waste of time
not entirely true. they can easily be made to care about AI alignment, government, threats to cryptography - ie when their asses are on the line.
For things like monitoring and controlling proles, it definitely is more of a master morality, do it cos i can type deal.

>clean of any ideological ties
pretty obvious their only ideological commitment is to real power with real technology

>>13371824
Based!

>>13371820
They describe it as rigorous???
I'm pretty sure there is more cool word accurately describing it

>>13375291
>their only ideological commitment is to real power with real technology
Your average stem drone fully buys into reddit neoliberalism, but sees it as "just common sense" and insists their List of Correct Beliefs is some simplified objective inarguable Truth based on Facts and Reason
Trying to explain that this is in fact an ideology is only met with confusion or anger

>>13372420
You shouldn’t think of it as an ideology

>>13372709
He wants to be different so badly.

>>13375184
>grow out of the oldest institution on Earth
I bet your mother calls you handsome.

>>13372422
What you're missing is the core of justification is self-justification. He does it out of habit, because he likes it, but also to justify his own existence and work in his own eyes. The money and prestige are almost incidental at this point.

>>13373606
>you need to read all the history of philosophy to understand a half-decent 20th century philosopher

This meme has to end. Almost nobody in history did this. Half of early 20th century is people commenting on German cunts they had read through bad partial translations. Missing texts, confusion about sources and authenticity are the bread and butter of anyone studying Ancient or Medieval philosophy. It's extremely dubious your prized Land read a hundred philosophers before writing his own books.

So yes, read a lot. Read the major influences of the guy. Read about the contemporary contexts. Then read him if you care. We're talking 20-30 books tops before reading the man himself. Whatever you read it won't ever be the full story. And you'd need to reread and more importantly form your own thinking. And you'll necessarily misunderstand it in some important way.

By all means be serious and do your study, but don't devolve into a fanatical autistical purist. If you can't trust you fundamental ability to at least somewhat understand what you read why bother reading at all ?
Don't let the pseuds crucify you at the intersection of pretentiousness and insecurity.

>>13373616
Transparent but solid pasta, and on point.

>>13377031
Newfag. You have to go back.

>>13374852
That's a lame cop out. The Church is a moral institution, if people wielding its authority turn out to be serious criminal it's not ony unaoidable, but sensible, that this would reflect badly on the Church's very authority.
Hiding behind
>statistics
despite the fact that those priests' doings were in many cases known to their superiors, and when the crimes invlved are so serious, is beyond pathetic. The quality of an office cannot too long be divorced from the men holding it, if all the kings turn out to be madmen and fools you would expect people to start mistrusting kings and doubting royalty, that's only natural. Don't be a coward anon. At least have the decency to be honest about your own faith, a
>the Church falters but never falls
or some shit like that would honestly be better than that whole fake-denial.

>>13377055
I was there before you entered highschool, and even if that guy is a troll way to many people in this board think like this.
I will keep effortposting to keep the silly memes at bay, by all means keep making Pavlovian posts in response.

>>13372188
Very interesting and sincere; hope you're doing alright

>>13377081
>doesn't know why he's being called a newfag
>still thinks he isn't a newfag

Thoughts on l/acc?

>>13377031
not trying to gatekeep directly; it's very possible you can get 100% what he says, chances are very low for that being true though if you haven't done your proper homework, and the homework for the homework, ad indefinitum.

>>13372486
punk is pop you idiot

>>13377343

>r/acc
>l/acc
>g/acc
>z/acc

I don't know nothing at this point.

>>13377399
https://www.meta-nomad.net/z-acc-primer/

I didn't think Z/ACC was something anyone was actually working on (thought it was just a meme stemming from all the different kinds of /ACC that sprang up a couple years back when everyone was trying to make a */ACC of their own), but apparently it is an actual project now?

accelerationism is just word salad brought upon by capitalistic approach to education that turned universities into diploma mills, and above all laziness of the people that should in theory prevent someone from obtaining a degree and instead just allowing reams upon reams of logoreic drivel to be graded above F and create a surplus of nonsense ultimately confined to cyberspace wank.

Fag Noumena

>>13377508
Lmao got em

>>13377428
>https://www.meta-nomad.net/z-acc-primer/
Thanks anon.

Naked Lunch is the only thing you need to understand Fanged Noumena

>>13373067
Teachers are also pedophiles, so I guess you also hate education. Makes sense considering your taste in images

>>13377067
Not that anon, but
Pedophiles join the church with the sole intention of diddling kids, just like pedos will become teachers or babysitters or whatever to do the same. Then you have rings of pedos covering up each other's tracks, we can see the same thing in other instances (cough elites cough). I agree, it does reflect poorly on the Church and should be sought out and eradicated.

A lot of times even innocent superiors will try to hide things like rings of pedophiles, not because they are implicated but because they know, as you said, that it will reflect poorly on their authority. Colleges do this all the time, for example, UGA and its handling of buried slaves.

>>13377367
https://youtu.be/TBHyIieLFUQ
https://youtu.be/voSHK1bAIN4

>>13377713
The cover up went straight to the top of the Vatican.

>>13377445
it's weird people tie accelerationism to the state of academia when academia not only blacklisted Land they ignored accelerationism as a whole for 2 decades. there are a handful of people getting PhD's in this stuff, but it's totally fringe as far as academia goes and totally unsupported institutionally

Accelerationism and its related works are nothing more than linguistic art projects.

>>13377031
this dude is right, "prereq" culture has ruined fucking /lit/