/lit/ - Literature

How do you know that you can die?

>>13361748
Not if you are Christian.

>>13361748
ofc sweaty :)

>>13361763
So many questions and no time to dwell

1 Corinthians 3:16-17
>Do you not know that you are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in you? If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy him. For God's temple is holy, and you are that temple.
Ecclesiastes 7:17
>Be not overly wicked, neither be a fool. Why should you die before your time?

No. You willfully commit a mortal sin and burn in hell for eternity.

Unfortunately not

>>13361748
Heaven isn't real, OP, it was made up by Jews because they couldn't deal with their miserable real life existence.

No one gets to go to heaven.

>>13361748
THE ONLY WAY TO GO TO HEAVEN *IS* IF YOU KILL YOURSELF

>>13361748
Kill yourself through fighting

>>13362038
yawn

>addict and can't stop relapsing
>suicidal thoughts keep increasing
>don't know if there's something genuinely wrong with my brain or just given up
>don't even have a rational reason to kill myself
>just feels very tempting
>feel convinced that I'm going to Hell

>>13362038
It's scientifically pandeicidal but that's a metaphysical stressor not a physical constraint, physically speaking you just continue to irradiate until the big chill. I like the sentiment though.

Wanna talk about your problems?

>>13361748
Please do not kill yourself. Why do you want to commit suicide?

>>13362032
>rent free

>>13362076
Cry out to God and ask for forgiveness. Ask him to heal your brain.

Don't trust religious fearmongers. If it really is too hard to bear, God will know you couldn't have helped it and you will be blameless.

>>13361748
Anon, please don't take your life. If you do believe in the continuation of your consciousness (and personality, etc), then you should know that suicide will only make your (continued) existence much harder.

Don't worry man, I'm there myself. I am very depressed in life and have often fantasized of ending it. But it will only bring pain to every party - to myself, my family, my friends, my neighbours, and anyone else I knew who appreciated me. If our souls live on, then all the trials you suffer with in life do so too - abandoning them here will not cut them from you - they remain with you exactly the same.

This is why my aim is for enlightenment. I want to enlighten my consciousness, reaching a state where I've not merely conquered my depression, but even attained a bliss beyond it. I'm not a Buddhist, but I really love the Buddhist ethos, the focus on individual upliftment, the conscious effort towards enlightenment. And the emphasis on understanding the nature of suffering, such that by doing so one understands its causes and its remedies. Anyone who believes in continuation after death should strive towards this during life. And that's what I, despite being depressed, am now trying to do.

Please aim for something similar, OP. Depressed people are blinded by their depression, unable to feel happiness or even recall a time they were happy. Happy people are also blinded the same way, and if you can get to that state, you'll forget what depression felt like and the thought of suicide will be scrubbed from your mind for good. You'll love life so much you'll consider it insane to imagine leaving it behind.

And remember that happiness, depression, etc - these are all states of being. They are in your control, whether you believe it or not. Examine the nature of yourself, and try to understand WHY you feel as you do, and remedy the causes accordingly.

It'll be okay, OP. It always will. But instead of heading to the astral plane with your sorrows, better to soothe them here and end your life in a state of happiness.

To answer your question, though - I don't believe the Judeo-Christian God exists, and therefore you won't go to Hell for your action. But you'll suffer nonetheless.

Why hasn't hiro created a /rel/ - Religion board yet?

>>13363240
I want one so fucking bad.

>>13361788
If I walk into the hood of Detroit and scream nigger does that count as suicide?

>>13363240
It exists. It's called /x/.

>>13363240
>>13363244
For good or bad, it will be the new /pol/. It would likely even supersede /pol/.

>>13361748
Not for sure you asshole

>>13362575
Thank you for this post anon. It gets me when I see people write big long earnest posts that see no replies, late at night it kind of feeds the sadness a bit actually, so many decent people who just want to help are forgotten, ignored, overlooked, and for what? It's all so tiresome.

>>13361748
"If Allah were to punish people for their wrong actions, not a single creature would be left upon the earth, but He defers them till a predetermined time. When their specified time arrives, they cannot delay it for a single hour nor can they bring it forward."

>>13363240
It exists. It's called /lit/.

If, at the moment of my death, I feel happy and relieved, is that considered suicide by the ultimate universal consciousness that is God?
If I feel relieved and happy that I died, it could mean that, even subconsciously, I did not try to avoid my death, or that my actions and decisions, over the course of many years or even over the course of my entire life, have lead me to my death.
If I do not try to actively avoid my death, that's suicide, is it not?

>>13361807
I'm not trying to be pretentious but whats the fear of burning in hell?
if hell is real and you burn in it, assuming you burn for eternity without dying, you basically feel endless pain, what's the point, if you find your self in hell you will fully realize that you are even more small and worthless than a grain of sand in the middle of nowhere, you accept your fate and well burn for eternity, you will hurt because well pain is pain.

>>13364543
not op btw

>>13364543
The pain comes from your voluntary separation from the Triune God. If you feel small and worthless, you must turn to God as to participate in his glory (heaven). The human soul has immense potential, turn to God, humble yourself, disdain pleasure and the world.
By your human nature you are designed to unite yourself to God through your love for Him. Sin is the obstacle. Labor to overcome it for a final end which is preferable to misery in separation from God. Christ (the incarnate word of God assuming human nature) died so that it would be possible for you to do this

>>13361748
Heaven isn't real

>>13361748
The fact that suicides are excommunicated has always pissed me off, ever since I was a little kid.
People who are so desperate, alone, hurt that they'd kill themselves are the ones that compassion the most! Any god that would abandon someone in their greatest moment of need can suck my fucking asshole, and so can everyone else who thinks so.

>>13364573
>If you feel small and worthless, you must turn to God as to participate in his glory (heaven)

I meant when you are in hell, you will burn for eternity, knowing your place compared to god and as small as you are then, you accept your fate.
so basically why fear hell when the only reason I can think off is pain can be just dismissed by the fact that you accepted that you are nothing compared to god, so what you will burn for eternity it's like I drew a face on a piece paper then erased or threw away the paper,I'm pretty much greater than that piece of paper, it's literally nothing
do you get what im saying?
again im not trying to be pretentious just curious

>>13364573
>The pain comes from your voluntary separation from the Triune God
>The pain comes from your voluntary separation from the Dual Deity
>The pain comes from your voluntary separation from the Quadruple Deity
You have no idea how ridiculous you are. You're more likely to end up in Hell because of your idolatry (and being arrogant about it).
>but that's not idolatry if I say so!
Cry me a river.

>>13364680
seethe

>>13364793
No need to. Hell will seethe for you.

>>13361807
>You willfully commit a mortal sin and burn in hell for eternity.
What is the purpose of eternal punishment? Christians love to say that God loves everyone, and His punishment is only meant to better us, but if the punishment is eternal, what purpose does it fulfill?

>>13365645
An insult against infinite majesty is worthy of infinite punishment.

>>13365645
because a temporary punishment wouldn't satisfy God
he loves us so much he wants our torment to be eternal
he also loves us so much that the vast majority of humans are going to hell

>>13365649
How come Allah is more merciful than the God you believe in then ?

"Now as for those who [by their deeds] will have brought wretchedness upon them-selves, [they shall live] in the fire, where they will have [nothing but] moans and sobs [to relieve their pain],
therein to abide as long as the heavens and the earth endure-unless thy Sustainer wills it otherwise: for, verily, thy Sustainer is a sovereign doer of whatever He wills."

>>13365649
So you would punish people for who they commit a crime against rather than the crime committed? I would hate to live in a world that operated under your sense of justice.

>>13361748
Heaven isn’t real and don’t let the faggy Christian role players on this board tell you otherwise.

>>13364573
>The pain comes from your voluntary separation from the Triune God.
This might be the most senseless comment on /lit/ right now. The trinity is a Roman, pagan fabrication that has no hold or defense in thousands of years of prophethood, and Noah, Abraham, David, Moses, and Muhammad would all have you put to the sword for lying against God by claiming He has split personality. Furthermore, Hell is not just "separation from God" (I thould Christians said God is already separated from us, because He cannot abide sin? But then He somehow still came down and dwelt among us for three decades). Hell is both spiritual and physical punishment by fire.

>>13365693
>thould
thought

>>13361748
no

(but actually yes)

>>13361748
Yes, modern christian belief is everyone goes to heaven because God loves you.

>>13365680
If punishment ends, it is not punishment. Purgatory exists for reforming the good. The wicked willfully choose with their own hard heart to turn from God and their fellow man. They made their beds, they should lay in them. If your God forgives the unrepentant and truly wicked person who made bad choices throughout his life here on Earth, then he is not a just God at all. He is not testing us on our behavioral conditioning like a dog. You can correct and remedy any behavior from recurring again with enough time, carrots and sticks. That is not the point. This life is a test of our souls. If there is no eternal punishment, then there is no justice at all in the world; just look around. That is the only thing that can atone for horrible insults inflicted against ourselves, fellow man, and not the least which, God.

>>13361748
heaven isnt real

>>13365724
If you seriously believe this, anon, then I genuinely doubt that you are a good person. If anyone at all is deserving of eternal torture, it is the person who wills that on others. Every other sin and crime is at leasr temporary and based on desires or fears - your brutality is based on a deeper flaw in your heart.

>>13365746
Christianity is a horrible, merciless religion; don't expect any better from its adherents.

>>13365751
This. It’s downright daemonic through and through. If you look at its leaders you’ll see nothing but paedophiles and cynical manipulators that exploit people’s faith for political gain.

>>13365746
Why Hell Must be eternal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOMofDqTa4A

On the Eternity of Hell ~ St Alphonsus:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6unyeNAK4yk

Hell and Its Torments ~ St Cardinal Bellarmine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FzUJl-wB1s

>>13365746
>Do the Damned Desire to Be Destroyed
We ask, finally, whether the damned would prefer to be annihilated and deprived of existence, than to submit to the punishments which they endure. St. Thomas, considering the question in itself, answers in the negative for, as he says, a state of non-being is never desirable, for it implies a deprivation of all good. But if this annihilation be considered as an end of all punishment, St. Thomas says that, from this point of view, the state of non-existence presents itself as a good. It is in this sense that Jesus Christ spoke this sentence of Judas: "It were better for him, if that man had not been born." (Mt. 26:24). St. John seems to say the same thing when speaking of the damned in the Apocalypse: "In those days men shall seek death and shall not find it: and they shall desire to die, and death shall fly from them." (Rev. 9:6). This will of the damned, however, is uncertain, for they wish to continue to exist, that they might always hate God.
>Punishment of Hell Is Eternal
These punishments of the reprobate, which we have been considering, will endure forever. This doctrine of the eternity of the punishments of Hell was first denied by Origen, and later by the Socinians and a large number of Protestants. Origen, however, was condemned by the Second Ecumenical Council of Constantinople, and in general, by all the Fathers of the Church.
>This Punishment Is Not Unjust
Nor can the eternity of the punishments of the damned ever be qualified as unjust. For anyone who offends God by a mortal sin merits an infinite punishment for an offense which is infinite. Hence, however severe or long the punishment may be, it can never be proportionate to the offense which has been committed. For the majesty of God is infinite; hence, whoever sins mortally merits an infinite punishment. It therefore appears just that mortal sin be punished by an eternal punishment.
>How Punishment Is Measured
It is useless to object that it does not seem just to inflict an eternal punishment for a sin which endures but a moment. For St. Augustine remarks that punishment is not measured by duration of a fault, but by its gravity. Even at the tribunals of justice here on earth, the penalty of death is imposed upon some crimes which are committed in an instant.

The Angelic Doctor adds that it is but just that the punishment should not cease as long as the fault does not cease. Now, a fault which remains eternally can be remitted only by the grace of God, which man cannot acquire after death. As we have seen above, the will of the damned is obstinate in evil. Hence, he continues to love his sin at the same time that he submits to its punishment. How, then, can God deliver him from his chastisement, while he continues to love his fault? How can God pardon his sin, while the damned is hardened in his hatred for God, if at the same time the Lord offered him pardon and friendship, the damned refused both the one and the other?

You haven't read enough books to unlock that level. Get cracking on Virgil.

>>13365724
Nigga, go read your bible. Nothing a human can do can affect God's Grace.

>>13365796
You're the one who needs to read the Bible.

>19There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and feasted sumptuously every day. 20And there was a certain beggar, named Lazarus, who lay at his gate, full of sores, 21Desiring to be filled with the crumbs that fell from the rich man's table. And no one did give him: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 22And it came to pass that the beggar died and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom. And the rich man also died: and he was buried in hell. 23And lifting up his eyes when he was in torments, he saw Abraham afar off and Lazarus in his bosom: 24And he cried and said: Father Abraham, have mercy on me and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water to cool my tongue: for I am tormented in this flame. 25And Abraham said to him: Son, remember that thou didst receive good things in thy lifetime, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted and thou art tormented. 26And besides all this, between us and you, there is fixed a great chaos: so that they who would pass from hence to you cannot, nor from thence come hither. 27And he said: Then, father, I beseech thee that thou wouldst send him to my father's house, for I have five brethren, 28That he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torments. 29And Abraham said to him: They have Moses and the prophets. Let them hear them. 30But he said: No, father Abraham: but if one went to them from the dead, they will do penance. 31And he said to him: If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they believe, if one rise again from the dead.

>>13365810
Then what was the point of the resurrection? You might as well just convert to Islam if a passage like that colors your faith that much

>>13365645
God doesn't believe in second chances. He's an edgy faggot like that.

>>13365796
>Nothing a human can do can affect God's Grace.
Except refuse it, refuse to repent, refuse to believe in the Gospels, their Holy message and Jesus Christ. They willingly refuse his Grace and this is the judgment: because light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, for their deeds were evil.

>>13365724
It's like you don't even understand what a punishment is. Suffering can make certain people change and reconsider their habits.
>If punishment ends, it is not punishment.
This is so obviously absurd just repeating it feels like a valid rebuttal. That's how absurd it is.

>>13365790
>posting Catholic dogma without shame and actually expecting people to read it
I'd rather stare at vomit thank you.

>>13365837
That would imply that humans have free will, which they obviously don't. kek, you need to read some Calvinists

>>13365785
I have only watched the first one, and it only reaffirms what I thought earlier. Listen, friend anon, if you truly believe that there is even a single human being in all of history who actually deserves to be burned non stop for ever and ever - if you truly and genuinely believe this, then there is nothing I can say in a comment that will change your opinion. One can not teach or learn empathy through a 4chan post. All I can say is what the prophet Muhammad has said before: those who show no mercy to others, will be shown no mercy by the Most Merciful.

Forget the countless billions who have died in "mortal sin" - if you are comfortable thinking that there is even a single human deserving of eternal fire, then something inside you is broken. A god who does that can not be called loving or merciful or good or forgiving, by any measure. Just as one act of evil is enough to damn people in your eyes, one act of gruesome barbarism is enough to take away the name of Good from God.

>>13365843
>Suffering can make certain people change and reconsider their habits.
Not only "some" people, anon - all people will change through some limited measure of suffering. If a person changes after 1000 years of being burned, why would you keep burning them for another thousand years? Another million? For ever? It would be absolutely absurd, because the person has lost all pride and arrogance and will to harm others - they are no longer the same person. This anon, and whatever sect of Christianity he follows, is twisted inside if he actually believes and justifies this. There is literally no sin or crime that is even half as evil as this. All sin throughout all history wouldn't justify this.

jesus christ Christianity is fucking evil what the fuck

>>13362501
Don't listen to satan. If you kill yourself, you can never atone for the mortal sin you committed (you'll be dead). It's probably the easiest way to go straight to hell, so of course satan's ministers are iit telling you it's okay. Don't do it anon

>>13365944
reddit is around the corner

>>13365944
It's really not. Only the most brutal sects got in charge of the narrative because they were able to literally kill all of their opposition re: the cathars and waldensian crusade

>>13365965
fuck off and hang yourself nigger
this isn't a christchuck echo chamber

>>13365970
cope

>>13365971
seethe, dilate, have sex, etc etc

>>13365940
When I think about things like rapists and oppressors and torturers, I really really want them to suffer forever you know, especially when I read news of them. And some time after I just wonder whether there would be a suffering hard enough to make them understand what they inflicted on others, but I don't know. It doesn't seem far-fetched to me that some people are genuinely too far gone and would to some degree enjoy suffering anyway, so they're better gone.

>>13361748
Nowhere in the bible is suicide prohibited. Solomon offed himself and he's in heaven.

>>13365955
Catholic morality is literally a meme. It's like a computer trying to figure out morality.

>>13365987
I'm not catholic

>>13365982
it's not just rapists who suffer in torment forever
a lovely old lady who is friendly and sweet will burn forever if she picks the wrong form of christianity
such is God's love

>>13365997
I thought the term "mortal sin" was catholic.
Even then, your position is nothing more than complete ideological insanity and complete cruelty.

>>13365999
everyone gets the opportunity to repent per Revelations, but you can't expect the 13 year old r/atheism tourists that infest this board to actually research the ideology they criticize.

>>13366012
if you die in a state of mortal sin you are damned, sorry if your softcore proddy shit isn't in agreement
also if you don't get some water sprinkled on your head, teehee you're going to hell :)

>>13365982
>I really really want them to suffer forever you know
You shouldn't, anon. Punishment is just, but I can promise that you would feel bad for them after a while. Any human, no matter how twisted, feels the pain of Gods wrath, and they would cry out for mercy from it. They might deserve some pain, and suffering might be necessary in order to remove their pride and evil, but after some time, you would feel bad for them. At least, if you have a healthy heart

>>13366012
...and you can't expect the christian to quote the verse he's talking about, can you ?

>>13365955
Anon... Can God understand suffering?

>>13366065
yes because he is divine and has knowledge of good and evil
Adam partook of the tree and then he learned good and evil, but it cleaved him from God's divine nature

>>13362038

VERY underrated

>>13361748
No. God doesn't like it when his toys break before he's done with them.

Just suffer it out until he gets tired of you on Earth and lets you discard all mortal concerns so that you can focus on an eternity performing high quality verbal fellatio for your most kind and generous benefactor.

>>13365986
>Nowhere in the bible is suicide prohibited.
If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy him. For God's temple is holy, and you are that temple.

>>13365863
>Calvanism
Heresy

>>13366268

You can always tell it's Paul not only by the awful Theology but by the troglodyte tone as well.

>>13361748
no

>>13365999
>it's not just rapists who suffer in torment forever
>a lovely old lady who is friendly and sweet will burn forever if she picks the wrong form of christianity
>such is God's love
I find it funny how people always bring up a lovely old lady in this example. It's never a nice old man.

>>13361748
Only if it is in service to the church or the state it sanctions. But this is after the heresy church established itself. Gnosticism, IE original Christianity, don’t punish you for this weakness.

In truth though, there is no afterlife, no reincarnation to worry over. You go back to the inexperience from which you came.

>>13363261
No, just a fool

>>13365904
God is loving. All one needs to do is repent and turn from their wrong doing and all is forgiven. He gives you an entire life to do this. If you fail to, you're at heart a terrible person, that has wasted this life God has breathed into you, and decided instead to walk in darkness. The cause of all evil in this world is the doing of men. Temporal punishment means nothing in the scheme of eternity and it is not a punishment. God is merciful, and rewards those who have suffered in this life for his sake. It would not be merciful to afford the wicked and reprobate the same rewards. They chose hatred and malice. They chose the easy way. They chose to wallow in the mire. They are the ones that lacked empathy toward fellow man and made his life hell on earth. Since your false god excuses every behavior and abomination under the sun, it is no wonder that adherents of false faiths such as yours commit atrocities here on earth, and are wretched and hypocritical in even their acts of devotion, such as the 'fasts' done which are broken as soon as the sun is set.

>>13366351
>Temporal punishment is not a punishment

>>13366351
I like when catholics speak as if they're some sort of good, moral people who do good things.

>>13366376
And Jesus said to him, Why callest thou me good? None is good but one, that is God.

>>13366385
Thanks for admitting you're not good. Saves us time.

>>13366351
Christians are sociopaths
What evil people

>>13366268
Wasn't he speaking in a sexual context? Ie. dont fornicate?

>>13366402
Thanks for proving that you aren't a Christian and are so prideful to think that you're a good person and that your petty man-made compass of morality is greater than the God omnipotent. Keep pretending that you're good and empathic, so empathic that you empathize with the wicked and think God would be so unjust to afford them eternal life.

>>13366421
>Muh god
>I am so inferior
>God is so much better than me omg
>Waaa I'm so unworthy
>your petty MAN-made compass doesn't match up to muh daddy
Jesus fucking christ anon grow a backbone. Nietzsche was right about Christianity being slave morality.

>>13366421
>Thanks for proving that you aren't a Christian
My bad, did I say or even imply somewhere that I was ?
>and are so prideful to think that you're a good person
Pardon me, where did I say I'm a good person ?
>so empathic that you empathize with the wicked
I think that describes catholics rather well actually.

>>13362038
>>13362160
>>13366210

Moreover:

>No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efiJauhz664

>>13361748
Only those who kill themselves go to heaven. This is the final redpill.

>>13366432
>Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

>>13366522
Glorify god all you want, it's the incessant self-hatred that puts me off Christianity. God creates us sick, commands us to be well, and then his followers denigrate themselves and us for being sick. If God created us sick that is his prerogative, but to then turn around and accost us for it is unreasonable. Especially coming from a guy who orchestrated genocides and permitted slavery in his book.

>>13366550
this
its such a horrid religion
he created us just to suffer on earth and suffer thereafter
we live only to suffer and avoid hell
what a great world he made

>>13366432
>>13366444
*tips fedora*

>>13366570
>*tips fedora*
This is the best christards can come up with. If you disagree with them you have to be an atheist who wears a funny hat. Wait, funny hats, where have I...

>>13366522
Yeah I like that passage too. It's really hilarious when you consider that it literally means that all polytheists are homosexuals.

>>13366550
God created us in his own image. The human condition is one of sickness, thanks to original sin of Adam, but he sent Christ as a physician to cure us. He is offering his remedy: repentance of sin and belief in the Gospels, free of charge. Your hardness of heart and hatred of God prevents you from accepting it.
>If God created us sick that is his prerogative, but to then turn around and accost us for it is unreasonable.
Hath not the potter power over the clay?

>>13361748
Take some magic mushrooms, they'll show you da wae

>>13361748
la dispute?

>>13366603
>He is offering his remedy: repentance of sin and belief in the Gospels, free of charge
Oh right, like people never knew of the concept of repentance before.
>Hath not the potter power over the clay?
Predestination yay. I like how this totally doesn't portray God as a child who plays with toys. Note how the Quran claims the opposite of that.

And We did not create the heaven and earth and that between them in play.
Had We intended to take a diversion, We could have taken it from [what is] with Us - if [indeed] We were to do so.
Rather, We dash the truth upon falsehood, and it destroys it, and thereupon it departs. And for you is destruction from that which you describe.

>>13366603
>The human condition is one of sickness, thanks to original sin of Adam, but he sent Christ as a physician to cure us

It's 2019 and this is a literature board. You can't seriously believe in shit like this.

>>13366603
>Adam
Don't know him. Not my responsibility.
>Hath not the potter power over the clay
Don't be retarded, anon. Might does not make right. A king has power over his subjects but that doesn't justify his mistreatment of them. Creating somebody sick and commanding them to be well under the threat of eternal torture is a decidedly evil and unreasonable thing to do.

>>13366603
>The human condition is one of sickness, thanks to original sin of Adam, but he sent Christ as a physician to cure us. He is offering his remedy: repentance of sin and belief in the Gospels, free of charge

Oh wow gee thanks God!
Lmao what an awful religion

>>13366661
>professing themselves to be wise, they became fools
case in point

God sounds like a mob boss wanting protection money

>>13366669
im not wise though

>>13366635
>I mean, it's like 2019 guise!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>13366675
>I MEAN IT'S THE CURRENT YEAR! COME AHN!!!!

>>13362076
funny sad man and frog

>>13366669
>>13366597

>>13366592
>This is the best christards can come up with.

>>13366675
Yeah, you have all the information in the world at your fingertips yet you still post your mouth breathing redneck opinions

>>13366739
Country people lead more honest lives because they are more a part of nature and hence God's world than a Mammon world of Man. By the way.....you are wrong, "Rednecks" are historically protestants, and hold a relativistic worldview.

>>13366635

Atonement and "mortal sin", other than blaspheming against the Holy Spirit, are certainly not befitting of this year or any year.

>>13366791
Not befitting of catholics of any year either.
>other than blaspheming against the Holy Spirit
Yeah I like how it's graver to blaspheme him. I thought the memebers of the trinity were equal, but it appears he's above the rest.

>>13366777
>Country people lead more honest lives because they are more a part of nature and hence God's world than a Mammon world of Man
Abrahamicism is a city religion. Real ass blue collar rustics are pagans

>>13366862
Wrong.

>>13366777
t. city person

>>13363268
no it would be a nice place for awhile until they find out that they dont follow their board line

>>13365645
To commit a mortal sin would be to voluntarily commit a sin knowing what the consequences would be. You would be intentionally separating yourself from God. But you can always be forgiven as it is given freely and infinitely.

>>13366897
You cannot be if you're dead and are in hell.

>>13366862
This.
pagan (n.)
mid-14c., "person of non-Christian or non-Jewish faith," from Late Latin paganus "pagan," in classical Latin "villager, rustic; civilian, non-combatant" noun use of adjective meaning "of the country, of a village," from pagus "country people; province, rural district," originally "district limited by markers," thus related to pangere "to fix, fasten," from PIE root *pag- "to fasten." As an adjective from early 15c.

Also the christian missionaries always went to the cities to preach.

CAN I STILL GET INTO HEAVEN IF I KILL MYSELF

>>13366900
At that point you had your chance to repent but never did.

>>13366922
We are in agreement then, fren.

>>13366916
Christianity is literally the Starbucks triple Söy shot latte religion

>>13365746
>>13365751
>>13365783
It makes sociopaths, even psychopaths, out of people who may have otherwise turned out alright - and also attracts people of deranged psychologies in the first place. It's a political cult, masquerading as a spiritual ideology. If it removed the spiritual aspect from its doctrine, everyone would recognize it for what it is - the most successful, aggressive, sinister, pervasive propaganda campaign of the past two millennia. Every culture in the world has a unique mythology to themselves - the only one which actively, aggressively attempts to have its mythology taught literally in the educational sector, and combating the scientists of the world with an ultimatum expecting them to accept their ideology as true or

Were it a group of Hindus attempting to have the tales of the Puranas taught as true, either just within India or beyond its borders, everyone would consider them insane, and have not a moment's tolerance for them. When people do it with the Old Testament and Jesus, they're just Christians. We're so used to this 2000-year political campaign that we cannot see how insane it truly is, having been subjected to its propaganda since birth. It has pushed the sciences to a position of absurd nihilism, atheism, and naturalism simply because it copyrighted a very specific conception of the Divine, whose rejection by the scientific establishment led them to remove the Divine from the equation entirely. In other words, Christianity is was brought our culture to the dearth of spirituality found of it today. Only now that consciousness has come under investigation, and is not fitting neatly within the previous models, alongside pantheistic notions like "you are the universe experiencing itself", does a bridge seem to be forming between the sectors of science and spirituality. And hopefully it helps us grow a new form of cultural spirituality which eschews Christian dogma while also incorporating the rationalism brought to us by the Enlightenment. This is the direction I hope our culture heads down.

>>13365790
You are a sociopath. Please leave your religion and go volunteer somewhere, actually helping people and gaining empathy for them.

>>13366986
>St. Alphonsus de Liguori
>one of the nicest men to ever live and humble saint
>a sociopath
You're probably a sociopath or a demon if you disagree with his heartfelt advice to save souls from perdition.

>>13362038
This. Jesus, being sent down as a sacrifice by the Father he was one with, can therefore be said to have committed an act of suicide. Therefore God does not punish the self-destructive, he promotes them closer to himself, for walking in the same footsteps that he did.

(But don't do anything to yourself anon, the above is just satire and I want you here on this planet because you're awesome and have a light to shine on the world)

>>13366351
Anon, you don't need to prove your sociopathy further - it's already been proven. Please just leave 4chan and Christianity, find a volunteer spot unrelated to religion, and try to progressively cultivate empathy for your fellow humankind. I wish you luck on that path.

>>13366522
Why did God create us to be corruptuble when He could have created us to be uncorruptable and perfect, like Him?

Also, why did He create defectation? It's such a disgusting act, and I hate having to engage in it every day of my life. Curse you God, pervert that you are.

>>13367067
I once heard a rabbi explain that it was in order for man not to think he is God.

>>13367079
>>13367067
The weird thing is that this doesn't prevent some people to still believe they're gods. Hopeless cases.

>>13367079
I will not worship Him until He removes me and all of my fellow humanity of the need for *rination and d*fecation. I'm a germophobe, and it is physically uncomfortable to have to perform these rituals every day of my existence. Until He rids me and everyone else of the need to perform them, and apologizes for whatever sick perversion led him to creating them in the first place, I will neither repent nor adopt His faith.

>>13367079
Damn.

>>13367025
You're the sociopath.

>>13366920
CAN I EVER BE FORGIVEN CAUSE I KILLED THAT KID

>>13363714
Thank you for the acknowledgement, anon. I always leave such comments, and almost always are they ignored. I don't feel bitter though, but it's sad to see what nonsense gets spread here the rest of the time compared to messages born out of genuine compassion for another. Take a look at the religious mess this thread happens to be - albeit, OP was technically asking for such a thing, and so I can't fault the religious here for taking up his query.

>>13362076
get depression medicine, do sports, eat healthy food, throw away toxic people and get nice friends.
t. former ultra depressed man
(I didn't get the depression medicine tho, depends on your stability)

>>13362575
What if we are here to get punished, and only after we killed ourselves it means that we have learned the lesson and we can be reincarnated in a better life ?
I'm also afraid to hurt my soul with the bullet I'm gonna blast through my face
t. atheist who doesn't believe in soul

>>13367111
>I believe all humans have some good in them, and whatever bad they might have done in their short lives must be forgiven by their loving Creator at some point in eternity
vs
>I believe many people, if not even a majority, are deserving of eternal fire and torture because they disrespected the loving Creator by sinning
One of these is sociopathic, friend, and it isn't the one calling for mercy. I don't know if the problem is that you haven't actually understood what it means to be burned as a punishment, if you haven't internalized what it means to burn for -eternity-, or if you are simply broken inside and have no empathy. Whichever it is, I hope God guides you to think better of Him

>>13367079
If we were made to be perfect, then by nature we could not think an "incorrect" thought, and therefore either would not think of ourselves as God, or would be correct in thinking ourselves such. God instead made us imperfect, and therefore incorrect actions are possible. As always, the fault belongs to Yahweh.

>>13366421
Don't get eternal life in hell, though?

>they don't realize that we're in hell right now and we reincarnate until we get out or go to even lower realms of existence, even though it should be obvious by now that this world cannot not be part of hell

>>13371908
That's precisely my belief as well. I consider Buddhism to be correct in that regard.

>>13369705
You're not here to take your life anon, don't think that way. Be positive and seek enlightenment. Don't throw away this gift, and make your life even harder.

>>13367079
So God purposely creates something imperfect, and the punishes it for the imperfections He designed it to have. Thanks, God.

>>13370992
>>13371982
I wasn't talking about the imperfection thing, but the reason for defecation specifically.

>>13362032
Heaven is Christian theology, not Jewish.

>>13361748
I always thought that if you kill yourself in the context of a mental illness (i.e. schizophrenia, major depressive disorder) then you would be saved. However if you just have a personality in which you can't cope with the stress of everyday life, and choose to kill yourself then you would not be saved.

>>13372016
Oh my mistake. Regardless, that is simply disgusting, and I can never forgive God for creating such realities, and forcing us to bear them.

>>13361748
By the way OP I tried to kill myself recently and I had to suffer tremendously as a result, and spent months in hospitals. It was very painful. For example trust me you don't want a urinary catheter because your bladder has been damaged by the fall. It's very painful. You don't want to be stuck on a bed, unable to move, only to feel an intense burning in your chest after meals for moments that seem like an eternity because you have gastroesophageal reflux. You don't want your urinary catheter to be clogged for some reason, and then have to hold more than a liter of water in your bladder while the doctor has to remove your catheter and place another, without anesthesia. You don't want to be unable to defecate for days because of the impractical position you're in and the fact that you're constipated. You don't want to genuinely, actually wonder if you're in hell. Even though I also experienced better things. I once was despaired and seriously wondered why there was so much suffering in this world, and a response was inspired to me "For you to understand that you are not alone" (you as in everyone). And I also discovered a potent painkiller which actually gave me a spiritual experience, where for a moment I understood that this life is really just an illusion, and we wander everyday behind our individual camera, concerned with our little petty worries and baseless fears. Don't think this material life is the most real thing there is, and that there's nothing outside of it. Just try to be the best person you can, and hopefully you'll escape it.

>>13372064
>major depressive disorder
>personality in which you can't cope with the stress of everyday life
What's the difference ?

No
So, don't kill yourself.
Here's a suggestion: Leave 4chan. You will notice the effects t after a couple of weeks, you will feel less depressed and bitter. Trust me, this place is poison

>>13370128
>warn people of eternal hell
>fear for their eternal salvation
>sociopath
or
>nah bro, don't worry, there can't be any consequences, just don't worry about it and let me talk people into going to hell

Again, YOU are the sociopath here.

>>13372236
Some of the boards here are poison. I generally never feel worse about spending some time on lit, for an example.

>>13362038
This is unironically my constant worry. Is this it? After all this reading and studying I find it the most logical conclusion. If I kill myself, I'll be a god in a universe I can control.

>>13372246
Where did he say there weren't any consequences ?

>>13372246
>>warn people of eternal hell
>>fear for their eternal salvation
>>sociopath
>or
>>nah bro, don't worry, there can't be any consequences, just don't worry about it and let me talk people into going to hell
>Again, YOU are the sociopath here.
I dunno, bro, looking at the way you write, I can sense a fair bit of pride and arrogance there. Guess it's eternal fire for you, man

>>13365680
>"Now as for those who [by their deeds] will have brought wretchedness upon them-selves, [they shall live] in the fire, where they will have [nothing but] moans and sobs [to relieve their pain],
>therein to abide as long as the heavens and the earth endure-unless thy Sustainer wills it otherwise: for, verily, thy Sustainer is a sovereign doer of whatever He wills."

So I can an hero then as a muslim with non-eternal repercussions?

>>13364586
It's not that God abandoned them, it's that suicides have walked away from God.

It would be an offense against God himself!

>>13372288
>>"Now as for those who [by their deeds] will have brought wretchedness upon them-selves, [they shall live] in the fire, where they will have [nothing but] moans and sobs [to relieve their pain],
>>therein to abide as long as the heavens and the earth endure-unless thy Sustainer wills it otherwise: for, verily, thy Sustainer is a sovereign doer of whatever He wills."
>So I can an hero then as a muslim with non-eternal repercussions?
Islam doesn't teach the savagery that the Christian anons here believe. God forgives anyone He wants to, no matter their deeds, because that's the very meaning of forgiveness. That doesn't mean He won't punish, though, and His punishment is severe. The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said that even a moment in Hell is such a severe punishment that it wipes away all memories of good and happiness in this worldly life. Being put in Hell, even if it is not eternal, will be a gruesome experience, anon.

>>13372296
>it's that suicides have walked away from God.
Fuck you.

>>13372316
They obviously have. They don't appreciate what a tremendous privilege mere existence is.

>>13372341
I want annihilation of my consciousness. I hate God for ever creating me..

>>13372296
No fuck you. A healthy man does not need a doctor. Someone in so much pain that they don't know what else to do is the person who needs help most. To deny them that, to deny them even the something so simple as peace, a place to be buried and a kind word, to deny that the family left over, to tell them to their face that "your child suffered, so we turn him away, and you'll have to make your own arrangements, sorry" is nothing short of evil, and god and everybody who believes this is okay can go choke. And if that kind of bullshit really is the word of god then I'll spit in his fucking eye.

>>13372341
Pride

>>13372355
Your hatred of God is what prevents you from securing eternal salvation. That is why those in hell hate God and blame him and not themselves.

>>13372130
Thank you anon, for this insight. I hope you're feeling better. Blessings upon you.

>>13372365
You're the kind of person who'll live their whole lives thinking you'll get to heaven and when you end up in hell you'll never understand why.

>>13365649
This is profound.

>>13372383
You're the person insulting others and judging them for doing nothing other than repeating the word of God and the saints.

>>13372296
It's not that suicides don't want to live. It's that they don't want to suffer, they seek to escape. I know it because I tried it.

>>13372341
>They don't appreciate what a tremendous privilege mere existence is.
Have you ever suffered greatly ? Allow me to seriously doubt that.

>>13372355
You must be 18 to post here

>>13372407
>>13372355
'Wherefore, though good and bad men suffer alike, we must not suppose that there is no difference between the men themselves, because there is no difference in what they both suffer. For even in the likeness of the sufferings, there remains an unlikeness in the sufferers; and though exposed to the same anguish, virtue and vice are not the same thing. For as the same fire causes gold to glow brightly, and chaff to smoke; and under the same flail the straw is beaten small, while the grain is cleansed; and as the lees are not mixed with the oil, though squeezed out of the vat by the same pressure, so the same violence of affliction proves, purges, clarifies the good, but damns, ruins, exterminates the wicked. And thus it is that in the same affliction the wicked detest God and blaspheme, while the good pray and praise. So material a difference does it make, not what ills are suffered, but what kind of man suffers them. For, stirred up with the same movement, mud exhales a horrible stench, and ointment emits a fragrant odor.'

>>13372414
>For as the same fire causes gold to glow brightly, and chaff to smoke; and under the same flail the straw is beaten small, while the grain is cleansed; and as the lees are not mixed with the oil, though squeezed out of the vat by the same pressure, so the same violence of affliction proves, purges, clarifies the good, but damns, ruins, exterminates the wicked. And thus it is that in the same affliction the wicked detest God and blaspheme, while the good pray and praise.

>>13372366
Thank you for your kind words, bless you too. I am indeed feeling better now. Getting the opportunity to see a therapist or two has also allowed me to get a thing or two out of my chest.

>>13372426
Are you seriously expecting me to read catholic dogma ? You're mistaken, I have much better things to do in my life.

>>13372436
Doesn't actually answer my question, but I'm used to christian speaking like automatons, always repeating things.

>>13372455
The good man is made better by his sufferings.
The wicked curses and blasphemes all the more and is made worse.

>>13372414
Yeah, I've been suicidally depressed and institutionalized. Even now I still have trouble with my mood, and am a failure by worldly standards.

>>13372391
If the law is unjust, break the law.
If you think abandoning those in need is in any way praiseworthy, then your soul is already lost. If men have told you this, then you follow false prophets.

>>13372407
You ought to say yes to suffering as well. Being is Suffering, and Suffering is Being.

>>13372491
If you start hating the Sun, and shut yourself in some cave to never see the Sun again, is it the case>>13372498
that the Sun has abandoned you?

>>13372498
>Being is Suffering, and Suffering is Being.
Not at all. Life isn't the cause of suffering, evil is the cause of suffering.
>>13372469
Yeah but how exactly that refutes my point shall remain a mystery forever.

>>13372455
>Are you seriously expecting me to read catholic dogma ? You're mistaken, I have much better things to do in my life.

>>13372510
The sun does not tell me to stand idle while men suffer.
That you think you're just in your belief, that you should, that it is right, only proves how feeble hearted you are. If a man tells you to commit evil you turn him away. If a saint tells you to commit evil, you turn him away. If God tells you to commit evil, you turn him away.

>>13372136
I guess I mean that some people have a clinically diagnosed illness which influences their behaviour, whereas some people don't have an illness, rather their personality is structured in such a way that makes them vulnerable to suicidailty.

>>13372604
So whether you go to Hell or not is based on the opinion of doctors ?
>a clinically diagnosed illness which influences their behaviour
>their personality is structured in such a way that makes them vulnerable to suicidailty
I see even less of a difference.