/lit/ - Literature

Science is the best we have to explain the world. At least insofar as the how is concerned if not the why. Leftists and trads both use science selectively when it supports their agenda. See through the agendas. Be philosophical but still scientifically literate. Otherwise you will get cucked by cults of personality.

>>13311488
>liberals don't use science selectively when it supports their agenda
>everyone doesn't use science selectively when it supports their agenda
Beware this poster, OP.

>>13311258
is there actually much evidence for evolution? I've read a lot about it and the theory makes sense to me but it also seems like the kind of thing that is functionally impossible to test

>>13311498
shut up tranny

>>13311258
Explain to me how consciousness can arise from inert matter. Checkmate, atheists!

>>13311522
Go dilate liberal faggot /lit/ is anti-capitalist

>>13311258
>Why is Rene Guenon taken seriously on here when he rejects biological evolution?
Because the man was a phenomenal genius, he's basically right about everything and the sooner you accept this the better. Once you read through is books his critique makes sense, also this >>13311571

>>13311571
>He doesn't realize that all matter is conscious

>>13311504
How do you think Paleontologists find the bones they're looking for? Also, Darwin's book almost was beat to the punch because he was so busy gathering evidence for it.

>>13311504
They will argue fossils.

Fossils that only started appearing after the initial theories were developed. Which are frequently misidentified. And which could be other animals alive today (or other things described in the Bible, such as the giant human skeleton remains found).

>>13311598
>Toy Story is real

>>13311601
See
>>13311609

They retroactively identified any antediluvian bones after the theories of Lamarck were developed. :3

You may be dealing with one of the biggest conspiracies yet.

>>13311614
Look, I'm not going to take shit from a retard who posts that faggy cat face everyday jerking off to a fat dyke. Go be a Seventh Day Adventist instead of posting here all day, retard.

>>13311614
>Fossils were planted in the earth by Satan

>>13311258
they ment evolution divorced from metaphysic
>thotposter
i'm not suprised.

>>13311629
No I'm not saying that, I'm just saying that dinosaurs may not necessarily be as old as you think: that inherently they may be remains of Nephilim, which were Biblical creatures.

I have seen enough evidence of God in my life. I know that what I have read in the Bible and the Koran is true. Now we need to explain why there -might- be a cover up and why evolution is a theory. For whose benefit does evolution exist? And why?
>>13311627
She ended up going my way in the end. And why? God.

She's headed my way in the near future most likely. Again and again, you people who sin will eat your words. :3

>>13311613
>all conscious beings have to be anthropomorphic
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>>13311656
Based

>>13311598
matter isn't conscious, it's actually unreal but is both projected as an illusion from and observed by the consciousness of God

>>13311656
Blow it out your ass, shitmouth

>>13311613
Nuomenal, anon, not phenomenal.

>>13311688
More accurate than most of the posts from this thread. God destroyed the observation of his pretemporal "non-future containing future-self" in order to create his temporal "non-self containing future." This secondary, functorial reality is composed of a constant excess impresson of the original missing future-self, i.e. a constant link to a never-existing but always sought after immortality. This resolves itself in the curved space-time of Outside interference, or as the more nomadic and dromological posters put it, the Landian Xeno. Take my word for it when I say that we have no real advancement from there.

>>13311757
Layman's terms, please.

>>13311757
>Take my word for it when I say that we have no real advancement from there.

>>13311775
If you want, I"ll try
God, as a non-temporal entity (doesn't interact with time or space, maybe didn't even create them yet), "destroys" (obscures from his sight) the existence of his "non-future" (before time but still what would occur if god paused and started again, i.e. the fabric displacement of the idea of god existing across time, even if he didnt actually displace himself the idea of him displacing himself displaces something) self which exists ahead of him. This is genesis, or apotheosis.
Okay, part two.
God then perceives in this space a future that contains his not-self, or more accurately, god creates a universe made with regards to himself (as it is relative to his self but contains no essence of it) but without him in it. This is crucis, or atheosis.
Now for part 3, the so-called "Modern Problem"
fuck I'm hesitant to cretinize this but here we go
The curvature of speed itself, irrespective of any active or otherwise observable part, occasions a sort of phenomenological short-circuit: Jesus, Buddha, Lao-Tzu, etc. These, when tracked concurrent to a trend in pure inwardness or even just some relative sense of contemplation, can be called a proper Outside injunction. With this understanding, and an eye on the times, one can see a superemergent property, not entirely dissimilar from the structures of previous phenomenological short-circuits, only on a mass-imaging and culture-wide scale. Totally xenoplexic, totally interfering with phenomena on a cosmic scale.
Several things occurred to me in the making of this post that should be in but are not, and the only one pertinent enough to mention is the necessarily trilateral (not unilateral, not truly bilateral) nature of this speed-unto-itself.

>>13311828
Hmm? He got out, what do you have in your defense?

>>13311488
>Science can be used in a non-selective manner
What would a total application of science look like?
Not very much like science, not very much at all. Science is one of those funner developments of history, not unlike God, which includes its not-self. Science must be dialectic, even in a rudimentary and primitive manner.

>>13311258
guenon anon is one dedicated person.

>>13311892
Ignore the greentext, I meant to drop it

>>13311258
Hey i live there

>>13311875
Who got out of where and who has what in what's defense?

>>13311571
consciousness arises from synapses

>>13312101
No, all matter is conscious you stupid science-worshipping faggot nigger go spread your Lemurian lies somewhere else

>>13311488
Science is by definition an incomplete epistemology.

>>13312109
chill out? how do you know that anon is incorrect?

>>13312137
Chill out? How about you chill in. Too many people are chilled out. Get fucking angry, have a passion you yeast slime. How do I know he's wrong? My rug told me

>>13311258
>Why is Rene Guenon taken seriously on here
because this board is full of pseuds

>>13312160
my initial response to you was veiled passive aggressive anger due to your assumption that aggression and force and insult would add to the validity of your baseless claims - but since I have more class and tact than you, I tried to soften the landing.

>>13312187
>be nice on MY image board
No, how about you blow it out you ass you retard. "WEW LOOK AT ME I HAVE A GIANT BLACK DILDO IN MY ASS AND I CAN BE PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE LIKE A MENSTRUATING DYKE AND THAT MAKES ME SO MUCH MORE TACTFUL AND CLASSY THAN YOU LMAO". You sound like a blabbering fat cunt, quite sucking the shit out of your transvestite lover and learn how to stand up on your feet you quivering bitch. I would face fuck you until you cry. Being passive aggressive does not make you tactful or classy, it makes you a gigantic sopping wet roast beef pussy. Reply to me like that again and we'll have a problem, buddy.

based-
>>13312204
>>13312160
>>13312109

cringe-
>>13312187
>>13312137
>>13312101
>>13311258

yes yes I am a 4channel guy myself i frequent the literature board and am quite well read if i say so myself

>>13312204
mildly entertaining tee-bee-aytch, got a sort of amused exhalation from me, thanks anon, although you are sort of vulgar

can I ask again what you're basing your claims on?

I agree with you that 'matter' probably has some inherent degree of 'consciousness' otherwise forces wouldn't know how to follow rules, but I'm not seeing how science is antagonistic to that idea? that's a fairly mundane interpretation of QM

>>13311488
Why is killing 1000 people, for no reason other than to study the reaction it will cause, more important than studying the effects of X.
Science itself has no direction or aim; no study is more important, evil, good, or unnecessary—to science they're all equally important.
Without agenda or ethics a free AI, with only 'to do science' as their goal, will randomly choose what to experiment on or study. Kill all humans to empirically know the results, why not? Tattoo a 1 cm long line on every fourth male human's left leg, why not?

>>13312220
Science as it stands is antagonistic towards that idea because science as it stands is a religion, a political tool. The scientific method fails when the scientific community is limited on what hypotheses it can test. Consciousness is a spectrum not a Boolean state, every configuration of matter has a certain consciousness value to it.

>>13312248
Dumb bitch doesn't even know enough scientific experiments to bring up any real fucked up ones. Just imaginary ones he created to fuel his gay ideas. It's a tool, science doesn't creep L.A. dosing people with LSD for itself. Someone has to hold a hammer to drive nails.

>>13312252
fair enough in terms of how it might be playing out currently, but the method itself doesn't seem to be intrinsically antagonistic to the idea in general, but I appreciate the elaboration

>>13311590
>/lit/ is
hahahah hive mind fedora tippin retard go back and stop making a fool of yourself

>>13312109
>go spread your Lemurian lies somewhere else

>>13311853
Where have you seen that

https://youtu.be/U8NNHmV3QPw?t=2m29s

>cumbrain has personal beef against some obscure French philosopher and easternist that even if disagreeable is at least curious
LIKE CLOCKWORK

>>13311853
>Several things occurred to me in the making of this post that should be in but are not, and the only one pertinent enough to mention is the necessarily trilateral (not unilateral, not truly bilateral) nature of this speed-unto-itself.
going to need more expansion on this

>>13311629

This would be marginally less absurd than there being not a single fossil, other than a couple of snail shells, before the late 18th century.

>>13312276
The point isn't whether there'd be horrible experiments. My point was science can't detect the difference between the most POINTLESS and the most necessary, these concepts (importance) are unscientific.
How many seconds are there between the next time someone farts and for the the fifth hundredth raindrop of the third day of rain in three years. To science, it can't see why it's vital to not spend all resources available to know the answer to this, science can't determine what is important. This was my point.

>>13312533
Did you pull that out of your ass?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fossil
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_paleontology

>>13312587

Is there a single fossil found before the 18th century, other than snail shells and like...wood?

>>13312781
Where do you think the idea of dragons came from?

>>13312835

So no. The poster child of Materialism dies in the ditch of conjecture.

>>13312781
Almost all large fossils are deep underground, and it's usually under hard soil or under rock.

>>13311258
why must you torment me with these jezebels and so on

>>13312993
No faster way to ruin your day than to masturbate in the morning.

>>13311258
All cucked by religion.

>>13312582
Science doesn’t decide anything dumbass. Scientists study things of varying importance and receive funding proportional to the significance of their research. Whenever I see this shit it makes me think that people on this board have no idea what actually happens in a lab.

>>13311258
god i want to slap/squeeze that

>>13313317
>Why is Rene Guenon taken seriously on here when he rejects biological evolution?
Why does a writer whose writing doesn't purport to be scientific have to publicly admit evo-bio to be the one truth?

>>13313330
wrong post buddy. i'm just a simple horny poster, don't care about some horse-lookin guenon

>>13313348
damn didn't mean to quote you brother. Keep fuckin' my man

Belief in evolution is unacceptable, irrational and self-refuting. Read Plantinga.

>>13313348
It's simple alright. You're a slave.

>>13313479
Plantinga accepts evolution you moron. His argument is directed against purposeless naturalism.

>THIS GUY DENIES A SINGLE FACET OF LE LOGIC LOVESCIENCE THERFORE EVERYTHING HE SAYS IS WORTHLESS
so glad I’m not an atheist in 2019, this is getting embarrassing guys!

>>13313354
will do

>>13313505
some of us have self-control. "cumbrain" is the latest iteration of christian slave morality cope

>>13313505
Based
>>13313568
Brainlet cumbrian parroting now irrelevant phrases from more intelligent people

>>13313568
Epicurus thought sexual indulgence was a net negative when it came to pleasure which distinguished him from Cyrenaics. He was more focused on things that brought lasting joy and contentment, not DUDE SEX. DUDE PLEASURE. FUN FUN FUN.

>>13313670
i am aware

>>13313674
>posts de sade
You obviously are not.

>>13313676
no, i am. the people on here that use "hedonism" in the colloquial way make me cringe for the same reason as you. that said i'm more in line with a sadeian reading of epicurus and therefore disagree with epicurus on the seperation of the "higher pleasures" from the others to some extent

>>13311591

He was less a phenomenal genius more a dysgenic hypocrite

>>13313693
There is no higher cringe than the materialist “lifestyle”

>>13312996
How so? What's so special about the morning

>>13311488

basado

>>13311571

A fish reacts to stimuli as part of its evolutionary survival adaptation

"Consciousness" is just the way humans react to stimuli. It's the same thing in principle, just more complicated. Is that hard to understand?

guénon is alright but keep in mind most posters here are anglos and anglos are incapable of non-moral thought. They literally can't comprehend reading a book that isn't aligned with your ideology. Anglos are anti-intellectuals. Name one anglo philosopher who has read Marx? They physically can't. They can't read guénon because of someone they don't like, who browses /pol/ read him once. The different gradients of moralism an individual can go through goes like this: Child -> Woman -> Anglo.

>>13313855

Europeans are retarded and are incapable of non-obscurantist thought. They literally can't comprehend reading a book that isn't verbose nonsense. Europeans are anti-intellectuals. Name one European philosopher who has read Quine? They physically can't.

>>13313505
>true freedom = obsessing about sex?

>>13311488
>Leftists and trads both use science selectively when it supports their agenda.
centrists are a cancer and should be treated in the same way

>>13313824
>it’s just like this but different!
oh nonono

>>13313916

Yeah you're just like me except you're a fucking retarded faggot

>>13313896
>THE FUCK? YOU CAN'T LEAVE THE CAVE! HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO LIVE WITHOUT THIS. YOU NEED IT OTHERWISE YOU'LL CRAVE IT. I'M SO OBSESSED WITH IT THAT I CAN'T SEE HOW FORGOING MY RELEASE IS POSSIBLE WITHOUT OBSESSION REEEEEE

post2016/lit/ is dumb as fuck

>>13313943
Everyone except you, of course.

Why do moderns place so much importance on "biology"? I mean, i know the answer myself, it is because of their profane worldview, but give me your hottest takes.

>>13313937

I mean you yourself obsess about sex more than anyone on this whole board. Take the most sordid shitposts, like the Megan Boyle/Tao Lin/brrapp poster, he care less about sex than you do. It's literally all you post about, and post very badly for that matter.

>>13314014
Seething
Why so defensive if what he says isn’t true?

>>13314067

Being against sex myself, I'm tired of seeing this shit every other day.

>>13314075
No righteous man despises the truth.

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