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>>13289669
Fascism is dead

Neocons and neolibs.
aka
>>13289675

>>13289682
Correct, and this is a bad thing

>>13289669
>Who are the slimey fucks that actually had me and most every other layman convinced fascism is when you don't like brown people?
socdems

>>13289689
>Murderous power mad incompetent buffoons are never coming back and that’s a bad thing

>>13289718
tongue my anus

>>13289718
Accusing your opponent of perhaps being, in the alternate timeline where they were successful, of doing exactly what the established powers do is not effective argument
Otherwise, I'd have rather lived in the Estado Novo than Pinochet's Chile or Yugoslavia

I'm interested to learn more about political and economic theory, fascist and otherwise - recommendations?

>>13289738
What was Pinochet's Yugoslavia like?

>>13289718
Have they ever really left? I wouldn't even mind a little murderous power madness as long as they were competent at halting the soft-genocide of Europeans, desu. Bonus points for throwing the brakes on the perpetual, insatiable creep of liberalism.

>>13289797
Not really, no.
>muh migrants
How about stopping the perpetual climate change and endless wars?
In before “eco-fascism”

>>13289825
>In before “eco-fascism”
why?

>>13289825
>How about stopping the perpetual climate change
cringe
Stop buying cheap shit made in China/india and the swath of 3rd world shitholes with no worker rights and protections and even less environmental protections.
Also, filtered.

>>13289846
Do you not know how the “in before” meme works?

>>13289912
>vote with your dollar!
B’bye liberal.

>>13289669
most 'fascist works' are written by useful idiots and idealists - your pic is a good example

>>13289825
>>13289797
>fascism is when you don't like brown people and sometimes have war
Neither of you troglodytes ever read Fascist theory

Is anyone here well-read on Moishe Postone and Marxism in general?

>>13289825
Well, I'm white so it sort of matters to me.

Climate change/pollution would involve pressuring India and China, which strong white nations would be in a much better position to do. Also, isn't it quite obvious that inflating our populations with 'muh migrants' who will then consume at higher levels isn't going to help any?

As far as wars go, your best bet is demolishing the neoliberal establishment by any means necessary. A facist revolution would certainly do that, and I honestly believe that modern fascists would be quite war reluctant, because of both: 1) The hindsight recognition of the profound damage caused by brother wars
and
2) long-term consequences of getting heavily entangled with foreigners

Also this guy's question is valid >>13289846
why tho?

>>13289825
>conflating refugees with migrants
>unironically believing """""Climate change""""" causes them in the first place
goodest goy there is, no surprise you prance about as a flaming tripfag. Filtered.

>>13289937
Huh? I'm not condeming fascism in any way, and I don't hate brown people. I would like the double-standards and demographic warfare against my people to stop immediately, though. Since I'm already repeating myself, I'd also like the trend of liberalism to be halted and I think fascism is a good candidate for accomplishing that.

>>13290001
pretty fair, what I don't think that most people get is that it was largely a Nazi take on affairs that it starts with a racial premise and from there all other things unfold. This is not an invention of "orthodox" Fascism, and certainly existed as a world conception before Gentile was kicking.
It starts with the premise of the globalized role of international finance capitalism. The demographic manipulation is a symptom of that, according to Fascism, while Nazis seem to take that premise and invert it: "the demographic manipulation is the original goal, and global finance capitalism is the means".

The former makes far more sense than the latter.

>>13289781
Beautiful

>>13289781
it was horrible

>>13290394
>that pic
Shit, I've been found out.

>>13289669
Fascism is the third way, so naturally both sides would want them eliminated

>>13290394
>actually good selfie
>the ancap face
>voldemort
This image was made by some flaming chapo cuck r*dditor

>>13290496
Oh I thought it was supposed to be ironic lmao

>>13290496
the alt-right (the actual alt-right, not r/T_D) are masters of self-aware humor

>>13289669
>>it's actually largely economic, addresses concerns most both refuse to, and frankly rather humanistic
Elaborate further?

>>13289762
The Coming Corporate State by Alexander Raven Thompson

>>13290635
Based book

>>13289963
do "eco-fascists" ever adress a market economy's need of constant growth and how that is incompatible with ecological preservation? migration and booming populations don't happen because of some obscure SJW globalist agenda, but because it's incentivized by the market. Economically it's a net gain

>>13289669
What is it about Mosley that the internet loves so much?

Almost 40 years after his death, having been completely sidelined after the war, he is reaching new audiences.

>>13289682
i live in europe, it's coming back

caption this

>>13290696
>people grow disgruntled with Liberalism and Marxism
>internet age means information is widely available
>angry mustache man doesn't write in English, neither spaghetti fasces man
>Mosley is an excellent orator
>Mosley's vision of Fascism is the most borderline Liberal version, appeals to the Anglo-Saxon ethos
This is why

>>13290635
Is it like Syndicate?
That'd actually be really cool.

>>13290751
You forgot:

>Handsomely masculine.

>>13289825
how about stopping all three

>>13290679
The point is that the SJW agenda is pushed by the corporate agenda for these reasons and yes, it's a basic bitch talking point among the people to the right of the neocons, not just "eco fascists".

BEADY

I've read an assload of fascist books and they all actually come off as pretty Marxist to me oddly enough. Not even in a subtle "third way" vibe. I've read fascists writings that you could easily mistake for Marx or Engel's own words. Fascist writers seem to typically analyse societies through the usual distinctive binary class division that Marxists make where you have this wealthy powerful elite extorting a relatively powerless populace.They come to view the challenges of society through the intricacies of these power differences. The main difference probably being what they believe the their goal is. Much like Marxists, fascists typically believe the current political mechanisms are unable to properly solve modern dilemmas or keep society running for the benefit of its constituents. They both usually suggest tactics of upheaving the political institutions themselves rather than working with them.
Even with Nazis talking about their ideal ethnostate they usually make it sound like some kind of Communist utopia where the white people themselves have full control of their community and family and society itself is run with that sole purpose of providing for their race, maximizing happiness, and maintaining their cultural autonomy.
Are unironic nazbols common?

>>13290754
National Syndicalism is the half-brother of Corporatism

>>13290765
> it's a basic bitch talking point among the people to the right of the neocons, not just "eco fascists".
ok, so what conclusions do they come up with? so far I have never seen a real anti-market movement within rightwingers, apart from memes like neofeudalists and even worse memes like nazbol

>>13290679
Yep, it's routinely noted in alt-right and eco-fash circles that 'growth at all costs' economic systems are absolute cancer in many ways, including ecologically. You seriously even have to ask that?

>>13290784
No no i mean as in the video game where corporations take over as the new system of government.

Only brainlets concern themselves with politics, epsilon scum.

Why get into economic theory?

Politics is fucking gay.

Better to spend your time learning how to make money in the Capitalist system we live in desu.

>>13290822
so what do they propose instead of market economies?

>>13290802
I don't think there is some real solution, especially not from the very limited amount of power that part of the right has.
There are some obvious short term remedies, like forcing the markets out of the global system and stopping their access to foreign labour.

But the real question "how do you downsize a (market) economy without everything going to shit" is pretty much unanswerable, especially when you see how much power the markets have behind them. They couldn't even be stopped by the population decline inside of Western Europe. And the left is choking even harder on the same question failing to even realize that their policies, like immigration inflow, are what is keeping the growth afloat.

>>13290802
I wouldn't say we're on average aggressively anti-captalism, we just recognize it needs to be brought to heel. Economic growth concerns can't trump everything else, contraction is natural and sometimes a good thing, we need most of our women raising children and building community as opposed to working, mindless consumerism is degenerate... That sort of stuff. Don't see anyone to the left of socialism.

>>13290915
True. I see some hopeful accelerationists, thinking that internal conflict and hollow gains will bring it all crashing down. I hope they're right, but I think the oligarchs will cut just enough slack to keep the decline more gradual.

You realize though, there is no properly ideological 'left' in the west, it's just neoliberal globalists and they want to keep the growth afloat.

>>13290943
>>13290915
That's the thing though. Capitalism can't be controlled, or toned down. Even timid controls like income tax potentially cause major crisis. And the cultural acceleration (or progressivism) of today comes with the baggage aswell. That's where I disagree with conservatives, who think that cultural preservation or revival is compatible with a market economy. And it has always done this, first the feudal village, then the guilds, then the family unit.

At the end of the day, we're all speculating I guess. For my part I think economic panning, with our new technology, should be considered along with a political system that, unlike the USSR, proritizes technological, demographic and economic deacceleration, direct democracy, ecology, and cultural preservation (not revival though).

>>13290737
nah you get neoliberal populism

>>13290976
>You realize though, there is no properly ideological 'left' in the west, it's just neoliberal globalists and they want to keep the growth afloat.
Sure, I was talking about the group that calls itself "the left".

>>13290998
Many would similarly argue that technology ultimately can't be controlled or toned down. Technology and decentralized markets do provide powerful advantages though, and I think we must find a way to harness them sustainably... The alternative of abandoning them would eventually leave us at the mercy of populations who don't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJY6NhccW4c

More like you were already a /pol/ack, read a few articles here and there and what people on this board were saying, then decided you were going to stick with fascism anyway. No one comes to fascism through study and introspection.

>>13291122
I did. I was a vaguely Marxist sorta-anarchist first, for a long time. But strong materialist-economist Marxism is too deterministic and anarchists either have no good theory or praxis, only good intentions, OR their theory and praxis is implicitly volkisch and voluntarist whenever it's actually good. Reading about volkisch philosophy and fascist economics made me realize they were getting at many of these things, but from a more "humanist" angle.

I don't think it's an accident that most Marxists and anarchists are secretly neoliberal either. It's related to their incoherent or unexamined philosophy. Anyone who takes politics seriously will become seriously political, and leave the neoliberal safety zone.

>>13291122
>No one comes to fascism through study and introspection.
Absolutely nonsense. "Normal" acceptance of social norms makes you either a Neoliberal, or a Social Liberal with some Socialist sympathies.
Being a racist schizophrenic could come with /pol/ but actual Fascism is a pretty "intellectual" phenomenon

>>13289669
This board really went to shit huh

>>13291713
Why? Because people post things you disagree with on it?

If you're going to whinge, at least include some content so people can reply to it. This isn't the space for your inner monologue tweets.

>>13291731
>it's not bad cuz u just disagree with it lolz
Yeah, yeah. Anyway, I miss the old days of /lit/ where we engaged in actual interesting literature and shitposted in that idiom, not edgy political extremism and baiting, but whatever.

>>13291849
I phrased it as a question because your contentless solipsistic post didn't suggest any other interpretation. You were just talking to yourself in a public discussion thread.

I miss your fantasy of how /lit/ was 2 years ago when you started using the board too, but people have always discussed contentious politics here. For instance, 4 or 5 years before you started using /lit/, I got banned for a week for calling Maoists extremists.

>>13289669
Fascists have never once addressed a real economic problem or a real social problem and come up with something that actually solved it. Never, not once.

>>13290679
The market economy is deeply flawed and should be replaced by a more mercantilistic/syndicalist system

>>13289797
The REAL solution is giving a decent quality of life to the niggers in Africa.Honestly we should depose the current corrupt dictators and start managing the resources competently.

>>13289718
Ok socialist did some poop stuff, but that doesn’t mean marx’s Writings are not extremely important and pertinent.

>>13291928
What are its flaws?

>>13291945

>>13290737
this >>13291020
I live in europe too (belgium)

>>13291979
What?

>>13291982
Don't you think it would be better/simpler if Belgium were split between France and Netherlands? just asking

>>13291969
It has no real regard for anyone but itself. I’ve noticed the late stage capitalist system resembles a disease almost, infecting and corrupting all facets of society. I think Louis XIV’s mercantilista system, which was essentially making a countries economic focus to be independent of other countries, a more internally focused system. If one could adapt that to a modern industrialized nation, it could provide an adequate replacement for the current system

>>13291402
My god. True Marxists support laissez faire because that's what Marx believed after he moved to England. Let capitalism reach its full maturity and communism will inevitably displace it. No one who gets deep into an ideology or studies it diligently can be vague about it. If you were a vague-sorta anarchist/Marxist then your knowledge of these two ideologies was superficial, most likely based on your impressions of what you saw people say on the internet, impressions that impressed but failed to move you over the fence. The truth is that you already made up your mind, you were already a fascist, took a dip into some exotic ideology, and then went back to your comfort zone. Fascism is a juvenile ideology based on nothing but gut feelings. You have the gut feeling that we live in a degenerate world, that tradition is good, that capitalism is bad, you read a book that confirms your biases and voila, you stand vindicated, and all the ideologies you were superficially familiar with are discredited.

>>13289669
>Who are the slimey fucks that actually had me and most every other layman convinced fascism is when you don't like brown people?
The phrasing tells me you already know.

>>13289825
>perpetual climate change
oof. really now, can't we drop this charade?

>>13289669
Recommend me fashy literature.

>fascism is when you don't like brown people
doesn't help that a lot of people who call themselves fascist just don't like brown people. more accurately they would be called identitarians. it's a shame that "racial divisions" are still stuck in colonial times, and the only response the post-colonial studies professors have is "destroy whiteness" instead of a reclassification like the national socialist "race is revealed through action"

>>13292074
You are correct that I hadn't read the Grundrisse and then all three volumes of Capital when I was basically a Marxist for several years, but then neither had virtually any of the college Marxists I hung out with. Just how many Marxists do you think are systematic Marxian philosophers? Go to Revleft (you'll need a time machine to ten years ago, it's now a den of trannies who read Marx even less) if you want to see people who have read at least some of Marx, endlessly squabbling and splitting over the stupidest minutiae.

Hell, half the best minds of Marxism left during the days of the Second International for precisely the reasons I gave myself, namely that it presented itself as an economically and materialistically (often literally, metaphysically materialist) deterministic worldview. Most of those people didn't read Marx systematically either; none of them read him as systematically as we now can, because many of Marx's "core" texts, the "young Marx," were not published and available for study until long after his death.

I was Marxist insofar as 98% of the sincere to semi-sincere Marxists you meet online were Marxist. The more I read, the more I realised certain limitations in the philosophy. If anything I became more properly a reader Marx as I became less "Marxist," and as I became more fascist: I think Marx's Hegelianism and dialectical critique of capitalism is good, but it comes with a lot of cruft and it's a product of the 19th century.

Again: If your argument is, "You weren't a real Marxist unless you actually read Marx systematically, in a way nobody could until the 1930s when the necessary texts were published, and really, probably more like until the 1990s, when my specific (and correct!) brand of Marxism was produced by ivory tower post-Marxian intellectuals commenting on decades of paradigm shifts in the major interpretations of those texts!," then granted, I was not a real Marxist. But then neither are any of the people you probably want on your side, and who you would drive away by applying this standard. The good news is you've already driven them away, and you can go rot on your tranny den Revleft while fascism wins anyway.

>Fascism is a juvenile ideology based on nothing but gut feelings.
Gee, sounds like what they were saying in the '20s, and what neoliberals like Habermas have been saying since the '50s. I bet you're right this time around, though. Don't worry, communism is going to win this time -- that's why all its best intellectuals are deeply embedded in neoliberal institutions, discourses, and government funding. Yet again.

>>13292094

>>13289669
>get into political theory
>start loving life, art and poetry much more

How you niggers can dive so deep into that bullshit and even take sides is beyond my comprehension. It's a shitshow since Machiavelli and onward and I don't even mean the psychopathic fight for power that he recommends but the incompatibility of ideas.

Accept Hegel as your lord and savior or start sucking Schiller's cock like I do or your soul will be lost forever.

>>13289825
>stopping the perpetual climate change
How do you propose stopping natural systems?

>>13292263
Politics won't stop climate change, it's never gonna happen, back when Bush senior ran for president the topic of climate change/environmentalism was a meme and it's a meme now, it's just a buzzword politicians say, there's an article writing about it, Bush was saying something about climate change in one of his speeches before he got elected, after he got the presidency people asked him about it and he answered along the lines of "I only said it because it's popular."

The only way, if possible, to stop climate change even a little are the big companies/oil corporations, I know it sound naive but I'm not even kidding, I bet the engineers working there know a lot more about the issue than anyone else, mainly because they need to prepare for future state legislation so they know how to navigate around them, if you can shift the big companies then you don't need the corrupt politicians, so I'm proposing a communication people -> companies, instead of people -> politicians -> companies, it's a libertarian view, but that's not going to happen.

My official take on climate change is, I'm like some of the Dostoevsky characters, I kiss the earth and hope that nature has a Plan B.

>>13292094

>>13290635
The Origin and Doctrine of Fascism by Gentile
Tomorrow We Live by Mosley
Selected Writings of Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera
For My Legionaries by Codreanu
Codex Fascismo by H.R. Morgan
Imperium by Yockey (it's recommended that you've read The Decline of the West by Spengler before touching Yockey but it's not necessary)

Congratulations, you've walked into the fascist trap, right where they want you. It's well known that fascists try to hide the real ethnostate motives of their politics behind a metric tonne of incoherent political arguments that are designed to seem as common sense and as mellow as possible to draw people in.

>>13290864
Not that guy but autarky and protectionism was almost always basis of economic doctrine of fascist

>>13292539
What's incoherent about it?

>>13289669
Fucking brainlet, you reallly think fascist regimes got into power by parading their racist ideology?

>>13291982
original responder
flemish belgian too

>>13292606
Everything appears incoherent to brainlets.

>>13292003
i think the flemish would like to be independent, idk how it would go i'm an economic brainlet

>>13292606
the fact that it's usually built from a single fact that is either misconstrued statistics that are taken aside from a broader trend or a broader picture that actually explains it. The arguments built from that single fact are often logical and totally coherent, but the argument is built on false data or facts that are misinterpreted, which makes the following discussion completely incoherent

>>13292539
>It's well known that fascists try to hide the real ethnostate motives of their politics

kek they're not doing a very good job now are they

>but the argument is built on false data or facts that are misinterpreted, which makes the following discussion completely incoherent

any examples of this?

>>13292665
I'm talking more from a cultural point of view here

>>13289669
Fascism is cuck ideology. Why would you want the big strong man to control your life and tell you what to do? Does your father still have authority over your life like a child?

>>13292674
>misconstrued statistics
I wonder what we're talking about here lmao

>>13292791
Yes

>>13292791
>antifa is male daddy issues
suddenly a great clarity is come upon me

>>13292704

"the great replacement" is a prime example of alt-right bollocks that follows some logical conclusions based off facts that are either misrepresented statistics or blatant lies that are hidden behind a lack of elaboration.

>>13292844
what did the UN mean by this exactly?

Mosley is the greatest prime minister Britain never had and was actually very morally driven. He would have done a lot for developing countries.

>>13292791
Liberal democracy is literally a rollercoaster of cuckoldry. You get cucked by:
>transnational elites and corporations
>puppet politicians
>voting blocks
>retarded consumerist social norms
>etc
People should be guided by strong hand with national interest in mind, instead they are given illusion of power so they don't disturb status quo

>>13292868
Are you implying there nothing of that in authoritarian regimes, maybe you only read the theory and not history

>>13289669
you know how Marxism is really humanist in the theoretical and then when you actually put it into practice it collapses into a Kafkaesque authoritarianism that consumes every aspect of public life and juices it for political praxis?

Fascism has the same thing except when it's put into practice its focus on the nation-state needs to be given some kind of ethno-linguistic context and justifying that requires exceptionalist rhetoric and when you're finished with that you've created a state which exists entirely to further the interests of a single ethnic population at all costs, and the humanism and economic theory is just a minor cog in that mechanism. If fascism were compatible with anti-racism, there would be an example of an anti-racist fascist state.

Every faggot online wants to be the next Lenin/Hitler. The reality is this age we’re in is bereft of shit like that, nobility and sacrifice are forgone concepts.

There’ll be no ethnostate, no revolution,

If we survive it’ll be a slow inexorable slide into super-planetary existence where everybody does the same shit they always have.

>>13292924
>transnational elites and corporations
The state had the final word over its economy, the owners of big companies where all citizens. Unlike today when mercantile elites can just flee to their safe haven and rise funds stored in Panama if things go south
>puppet politicians
Are you really implying that fascist politicians were controlled by various congolmerates each lobbying for their interest, and actuall leaders of their countries?
>voting blocks
no voting
>retarded consumerist social norms
Their norms were more along the line of respecting the order and hierarchies, promotion of family values and placing national interests above your own. Today everything can be reduced to just buy more stuff bro

There is valid criticism of authoritarian regimes to be made, but dont pretend they suffered the same problems as this globohomo neoliberal oligarchies of today.

>>13292844
But projected statistics for example Europe show very large (upwards of 30%) of non-European populations within this century. How is this not a replacement? How is this not like every historic migration before? How are we not in decline, just like every other civilization, like the barbarians came to Rome, so too must we now face our end. It's not a cause, but a symptom. When the Romans were in their prime, they came to the barbarians, in their decline the barbarians came to them. In western civilization's prime, they came to the third world, now the third world comes to them.

>>13292860
Find in any country the Ablest Man that exists there; raise him to the supreme place, and loyally reverence him: you have a perfect government for that country; no ballot-box, parliamentary eloquence, voting, constitution-building, or other machinery whatsoever can improve it a whit.

I esteem the modern error, That all goes by self-interest and the checking and balancing of greedy knaveries, and that in short, there is nothing divine whatever in the association of men, a still more despicable error, natural as it is to an unbelieving century, than that of a "divine right" in people called Kings. I say, Find me the true Konning, King, or Able-man, and he has a divine right over me.

"Detect quacks"? Yes do, for Heaven's sake; but know withal the men that are to be trusted! Till we know that, what is all our knowledge; how shall we even so much as "detect"? For the vulpine sharpness, which considers itself to be knowledge, and "detects" in that fashion, is far mistaken. Dupes indeed are many: but, of all dupes, there is none so fatally situated as he who lives in undue terror of being duped. The sincere alone can recognize sincerity. Not a Hero only is needed, but a world fit for him;

We shall either learn to know a Hero, a true Governor and Captain, somewhat better, when we see him; or else go on to be forever governed by the Unheroic;—had we ballot-boxes clattering at every street-corner, there were no remedy in these.

>>13293165
Wealthy civilizations don’t breed, brainlet—look at Japan. They didn’t let anyone in now they have 75+ generation outnumbering the younger one.

With the scale of places like China you need fucktons of unskilled labor to compete Tracy the housewife wants to have a spiritual journey more than she wants kids. Thus brown people drive our economy forward until white people stop being faggots and breed again.

>>13293213
I agree.

>>13289669
True.
Read Codex Fascismo, La Dottrina del Fascismo and Reflections on Violence.
And if you feel like a big-brained lad and want to go deeper into the foundations of fascism, Gentile's "Theory of Mind as Pure Act".

Also "Patriarcha" by Filmer and anything by J.A. Primo de Rivera you can get your hands on.

"Suppose two honorable men fight to the death. One will live, one will die, but both will preserve their honor. But what if the vanquished party begs to be spared at the last moment at the price of his honor? What if his desire to survive is stronger than his sense of honor? In that case, he will become the slave of the victor.

The man who prefers death to dishonor is a natural master. The man who prefers dishonor to death—life at any price—is a natural slave. The natural master defines himself in terms of a distinctly human self-consciousness, an awareness of his transcendence over animal desire, the survival “instinct,” the whole realm of biological necessity. The natural slave, by contrast, is ruled by his animal nature and experiences his sense of honor as a danger to survival. The master uses the slave’s fear of death to compel him to work."

"But both capitalism and communism are essentially materialistic systems. Yes, they made appeals to idealism, but primarily to motivate their subjects to fight for them. But if one system triumphed over the other, that necessity would no longer exist, and desire would be fully sovereign. Materialism would triumph. (And so it would have, were it not for the rise of another global enemy that is spiritual and warlike rather than materialistic: Islam.)"

"This is the end of the path blazed by the first wave of modern philosophers: Thomas Hobbes, John Locke, David Hume, etc., all of whom envisioned a liberal order founded on the sovereignty of desire, in which reason is reduced to a technical-instrumental faculty and honor is checked or sublimated into economic competitiveness and the quest for material status symbols.

From this point of view, there is no significant difference between classical liberalism and Left-liberalism. Both are based on the sovereignty of desire. Although Left-liberalism is more idealistic because it is dedicated to the impossible dream of overcoming natural inequality, whereas classical liberalism, always more vulgar, unimaginative, and morally complacent, is content with mere “bourgeois” legal equality."

https://www.counter-currents.com/2013/03/the-beginning-and-the-end-of-history/

>>13293084
>Germany
Shitty economical model, even in pre-war
>Italy
Who cares
>Chile
Literally neoliberal
>Spain
Helped by USA
Authoritarian regimes dont fail because muh human rights etc., they end because they are shitty economically speaking sooner or later

>>13291895
outsourcing of labor, and the role of international finance in endemic warfare

>>13292074
big fat lot of words to say nothing other than "I know the truth about you, you lie!"

Really, I want to know if you actually read any fascist literature.

>>13292539
>incoherent
yeah, but I'm not a fucking retard so it made sense
>you fell into the fascist trap of good arguments!

>>13292791
occupational enfranchisement is honestly the least cucked model of representation I have found in political theory

But you probably didn't even know that was Fascist, you probably imagine an absolute dictatorship with a quasi-king calling all shots

>>13292674
>the argument is built on false data or facts that are misinterpreted
such as?

>>13292924
>maybe you only read the theory and not history
I will bet heavily that you think mustache german man is the poster child of fascist theory, MAYBE pay Mussolini a thought, and don't even know about the existence of the Portuguese Estado Novo.

>>13292934
>needs to be given some kind of ethno-linguistic context
>If fascism were compatible with anti-racism, there would be an example of an anti-racist fascist state.

>just went to /leftypol/ to see what it's like
>it's actually reddit

I don't get it. Do they become leftist because they're Reddit, or do they become Reddit because they're leftist?

>>13289923
>Do you not know how the “in before” meme works?
Yes, you anticipate a valid argument against your point and pretend that it means you are right.

>>13291122
>No one comes to fascism through study and introspection.
Why are antifascists so small minded?
I became fascist in thinking because Fascism offers a middle way.
I found, in my thinking and study, that the problems of a postindustrial society are real, and libertarianism and anarchism let them rot. But Marxism is a dehumanizing and dysfunctional endeavor. I also believe democracy is an inherently morally bankrupt system founded on lies and deceit, especially when it applies to massive and postindustrial society.
The middle way of Fascist thinking doesn't leave the problems of a pernicious global wealthy elite go unsolved, or strip the rights and property of them and everyone else in the process.

>>13291073
Very powerful and compassionate. This is the first time I've heard Moseley speak and I am not dissatisfied.

>>13289669
Because Hilter was a brainlet who ruined fascism the same way Stalin ruined authoritarian socialism.

not sure where to ask this
what's the most neutral book on Franco? his reign? was he even fascist himself?

>>13289825
>muh CO2
Meanwhile we're facing actual ecological catastrophes and they're not fixed by eating bugs and importing a million migrants each month (in fact they are exacerbated by this)

>>13292263
Volcanoes are not causing the global temperatures to rise

>>13292355
>>13292088
Stfu

>>13290758
Or four, yeah. Let’s.

>>13290765
>the corporate agenda
It’s called capitalism

>>13290822
>You seriously even have to ask that?
Yeah, we do. Fascism is liberal as fuck.

>>13293869
Obviously the way to fix things up is by giving all the power to a small elite. What could possibly go wrong?

>>13290802
National socialism?

>>13294533
Obv you need my dick :3 mmm just think about it

Fascism is fine within a technological-industrial framework, but the whole global system is going to shit so I don't care much for it other than transitionally perhaps

>>13294533
>Volcanoes are not causing the global temperatures to rise
in fact volcanoes actually cause the temperature to temporarily drop from the deposition of pyroclastic ash

>>13292074
>You have the gut feeling that we live in a degenerate world, that tradition is good, that capitalism is bad
Is any of this false?

>i-it's really good and cohesive
>doesn't elaborate
cool thread retard

>>13293213
Israel is well above replacement levels, noblewomen of the past were babymaking machines. The inverse correlation between wealth and fertility is fallacious. There are more factors at play here.
This being said, even if it weren't it does not justify ethnic and cultural replacement.

>>13292839
This is also why they rebel against religion and behave like a 13 year old that goes to Catholic school and discovers atheism

>>13289682
Liberals when talking to non-Fascists: Fascism is alive and well and you have to do what I say to stop it.
Liberals when talking to actual Fascists: Fascism is dead.

>>13289669
eco-fascism propelled forward in the guise of a european neo-islamic takeover where the islamic party leaders would all be cultural/ethnic europeans that have reversed to islam for the greater good is the only way to save humanity.

>>13291073
Based. I had no idea how anti Globalist Mosley was

>>13292791
Globalists own you, cuck

>>13291073
The part at the end reminds me of the speech in Network. The man had a very powerful energy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuBe93FMiJc

>>13293213
Everything that you've written presumes the neoliberal status quo. Of course Tracy isn't going to breed under such soul-destroying conditions. Fascism is not an ideology of economic growth and the phrase "drive our economy forward" is antithetical to human happiness.

>>13289718
The Allies were far more evil than the Axis powers, hence why they won. Your moral argument against fascists being murderers is negated by history.

>>13291945
The Chinese are way ahead of you homeboy

>>13293213
You're disgustingly stupid. Japan needs population contraction, they're packed in like sardines. As for Europe and NA a contraction wouldn't be so bad either, housing costs would go down and pop. could boom again. In general, humanity is already way past the point of diminishing returns from large population... The odd extra genius born here and there is not going to offset the ecological damage, dilution of standard of living, atomization, and malaise brought about by population density. Also consider that unskilled labour will become progressively less necessary, and that we don't have to let China flood our markets with cheaper goods.

>>13292844
What the fuck are you talking about, the demographic invasion is as clear as day. What's more, it is happening exclusively to white nations and almost all of them at that. Liar.

>>13292103
>Prioritizing your own race's interests and not wanting your people competing with foreigners for their own nations = you just don't like brown people

Yeah ok buddy. I see you've swallowed the double-standards whole.

>>13291945
Or, we could y'know... Stop sending them the aid that artifically sustains population levels they wouldn't achieve on their own. Of course we've already seen such experiments.... It works for awhile, then the nogs get high-and-mighty thinking they are more capable than they are and that whitey is exploiting them, they demand 'equal rights' or whatever and proceed to ruin everything. So you either rule them with an iron fist (which I agree would be objectively better for them) or you stay the fuck out of it. I don't think we have the will, so we should just stay the fuck out of it, confine them to their continent and let nature take its course.

>>13289718
You act like they never left. See this is the problem with people like you, you screech facism at everything when it's been under your nose the entire time. Equating facism with "murderous buffoons" is the same idiocy as equating socialism with starving bread lines. You people are never able to just step outside of yourselves and look at the full honest picture. You are no worse than a conservative boomer

>>13294928
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>13291895
This. Fascism is make believe bullshit.

>>13291895
>>13295609
Yet Uncle Adolf performed a minor miracle in quickly rebuilding and invigorating Germany with it.

To what extent have your favoured ideologies 'solved' real economic and social problems, without creating (or deliberately inventing) new ones? Oh, I'm sure your enlightened methods just haven't been properly implemented yet... They're still only abstract plans, but they're not make believe right?

>>13294996
>What the fuck are you talking about, the >demographic invasion is as clear as day. What's more, it is happening exclusively to white nations and almost all of them at that. Liar.

look up statistics that aren't presented by alt-right moutpieces. You'll find that most of the replacement being done in white-majority nations is immigration from people that are also white. The Great Replacement isn't a thing and you're a fucking idiot for believing it.

go read a book and stop watching neo-nazi """"alt-right""""" youtubers

>>13293765
>*start oppressing the jews to please daddy hitler*

>>13295846
>Uncle Adolf performed a minor miracle in quickly rebuilding and invigorating Germany with it.

Germany was already recovering. All he did was invest massively in the army and a few "Volks" product who mostly failed, except for the first radio they made. The "miracle" would have collapsed if he didn't invade Poland.

>>13295893
Nice backpedal lmao

>>13295992
cope

>>13295846
Yeah a miracle of starting the deadliest conflict known to mankind, truly a visionary ahead of his time.

>>13295603
Nice villainous laugh there m8!

>>13296589
Historical revisionism is a mental disease

>>13296620
You don't understand how the Allies were evil too because you haven't analyzed what evil is and continue regurgitating the definition of it that was packaged and sold to you at a young age. Everything in this life is evil to a degree, and what is the greater evil is what is more successful in battle.

>>13295893
Pure and brazen bullshit.

Check the respective government's own immigrations stats, you'll see the majority of immigrants are coming from:
U.S. ~ South America (Mexico #1)
U.K. ~ South Asia, MENA
Europe ~ MENA, South Asia
Canada ~ South Asia, China
Australia ~ China, South Asia

These have have been the trends for the last decade in most cases, and in general immigration policy in the west shifted heavily away from European sources in the '60s (which even the most modestly informed anon would know). You're a lying piece of shit.

>>13295906
I think you're simplifying the sweeping organizational changes, ignoring morale and the complete reversal of burgeoning cultural degeneracy. They're an industrious people no doubt, but he whipped that country into shape in the blink of an eye.

I have seen reasonable arguments that the success wouldn't have been sustainable without expansion. Personally I think things could've been scaled back a bit and still have been counted an incredible success, but I'll concede this point. That doesn't mean fascism is poison (or even a bad idea), just that Hitler went overboard.

>>13296261
Well if you've studied the details, you'd know that France and Britain were itching to undermine the newly invigorated and admired Germany. You'd also know that Germany had a history with Poland (Austrian partition, etc. and many Germans lived in that region). The idea of annexation in this context isn't really that shocking by the standards of the time, but Britain was determined to use that as the flashpoint for war (that's why they actually signed the treaty with Poland, they didn't rush to the defense of Poland once things kicked off).

All that said, I agree Hitler acted rashly and greedily. Perhaps he didn't appreciate the gravity of what would unfold... Then again, given the attitudes of Russia, Britain and France, perhaps he thought conflict was inevitable (maybe it was). It takes (at least) two to tango, and while I understand why his earlier accomplishments are overshadowed by his later mistakes, that is an emotional appeal -- not a logical argument -- against fascism in general.

>>13289669

very sad to report that you're still a brainlet

>>13289718
They literally never left, they just have slightly different political affiliations, although I agree fascism is a ridiculous thing to want in the modern day, don't think the results aren't exactly the same Butterfly.

>>13289797
Silence, you glow in the dark faggot. Literally worse than the tripfag you're replying to.

>>13294996
Source on that simulation?

>>13289669
Welcome to the Third Path... The Left calls you Right, the Right calls you Left. If you piss them both off you know you've got something!
;-)

>>13289682
LOL
That's what they said about populism, but with the way people are fed up with the Left as well as with Capitalism, the 3d Way is looking better and better. No one believes the Establishment anymore, the more they yell about how "wrong" it is the more likely people are to just read about it for themselves. After all, we are supposed to Question Authority! ;-)

>>13289718
What? Capitalism and Socialism have never left us...

>>13289797
Sounds good to me at this point...

>>13289825
Global warming is a hoax, we all know it, stop beating a dead horse. Typical change of subject...

>>13289669

Yes, all that, but also fuck jews, niggers, trannies and especially jannies.

>>13289718

>Being this bluepilled and mentally inferior

Good thing you leftist fucks arent having children

>>13297031
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAFUhY-5tE4

>>13297045
>lesbian tripfag
Are you surprised? It doesn't get more pozzed and mentally inferior than that.

>>13290737
>>13290696
Good ideas will out, even in the face of decades of propaganda.

>>13297045
Shovel in those “red” pills, off-boarder

>>13289825
Dude, climate change IS perpetual, and it cannot be stopped by any human action. We all know this outside of the MSM's approved reality bubble. Duh.

>>13289669
Read actual economics papers instead of meme books for laymen

I don’t understand these climate change is a hoax brainlets— nigga do you deny basic physics?

Earth is a closed system, we’re dumping all sorts of shit into that closed system therefore something, *clearly* is going to change.

It takes a real effort of faggotry to deny even the most alpha brained physics that this is based off of.

Do yourself a favor and go OD on shotgun pellets taken orally, you’ll make the world a better place.

>>13289963

Breathes in...

Climate change is a meme pushed by globalists to siphon of national sovereignity by placing global centralized controls on national Industries, energy infrastructures and human movements and migration, often by overriding national laws and democratic parliaments with international agreements and court orders.
Every mainstream climate measure is designed to strenghten centralized control, reduce freedom, and promote a single one world goverment dystopia.
You will lose control over how much you can create and manufacture, how much you can grow, where you can travel, who can settle in your territory (climate refugees), what you can drive, what you can use as fuel, what you can eat etc.

All to clamp down on co2, which isnt even that bad. Scientific climate is surpressed and even so data is not convincing (1b4 muh 97%).
Norwegian arctic university recently published multiple papers linking mild recent warming to increaed solar activity, whilst simultaneously warming for an imminent grand solar minimum (drop in temperatures).

One should be instinctively wary of something that is fanatically pushed by the mass media, the UN, and the puppetshow of global corrupt politicians.

Ofcourse no attention is given to the fact that 80% of oceanic plastic comes from Asia ans Africa, or that the Chinese are polluting and exterminating their seas, or that electric cars are worse for the climate than oil fueled cars both in terms of resource depletion (lithium is extremely rare) and co2 costs (lithium mining is polluting and manufacturing is highly wasteful.).

Neither do you hear much of the still leaking Fukushima irradiating the Pacific or the risks of GMO's and mass pesticide use in industrial scale farming.

Take the god damn redpill that Globalists are a vile Kabal that do nothing but try to enslave you and kill your children,.

>>13290679

Eco fascists are national socialists, thus placing the wellbeing of both their people and nature above technocratic "profit" .

>>13297159
Denying manmade global warming is not the same as denying all manmade environmental damage. I don't think anyone denies we're fucking with the planet in many ways, but "climate change" has a uniquely political stain to it.

If you seriously deny that climate change has been exacerbated by humanity then you're a giant retard and the world would be better off if you shot yourself.

>>13297110

Have sex.

>>13297186
make me

>>13297194
Im gonna rape you. Also, despite being only 13% of the population, blacks commit over 50% of the crimes and produce extremely few literary achievements.

Have you ever heard of a fascist who didn't try to scapegoat an in-group for their problems? Maybe there isn't actually an international organization of boogeymen trying to convince you the world is a certain way

>>13297208
Social and economic factors you complete retard. It's funny that you racists only talk about American crime and ignore the places where it doesn't happen.

>>13295903
>Fascism is when you don't like Jews

>>13296828
Fuck you, my post was earnestly meant, nothing bioluminescent about it.

>>13296850
Hammond, R. A., & Axelrod, R. (2006b). The evolution of ethnocentrism. Journal of Conflict Resolution, 50, 926-936

Here's a nice overview with a bonus funny pet picture:
https://egtheory.wordpress.com/2013/06/30/how-ethnocentrics-rule/

>>13297031
especially jannies

>>13297229
>the places where it doesn't happen.
For example?

>>13297223
>Have you ever heard of a fascist who didn't try to scapegoat an in-group for their problems?
Yes. The issue is that you don't read.

>>13297229

Then why dont poor latinos do the same amount of crime? (Mind you, they do it more than whites).
Also, please tell me of the magical place where niggers live and they dont do crime?

Fact is their average iq is around 80 points, and their genetically determined testosterone is higher, making them more prone to violence and less able to control themselves or plan for the future, resulting in both less economic opportunities and a higher propensity for crime and violence.

>I was a brainlet
>tried to read some works
>only thing I liked was fascism

Maybe that's cause you're a fucking brainlet.

>>13297258
Not an argument

>>13297258

True, fascism is for plebs. Nazism is the real patrician ideology.

>>13297223
Fascism doesn’t exist without half morons convincing their following of full morons that this other, group of morons is to blame for all their problems. With that cycle of faggotry it’s just tyranny with a bunch of masterbatory eagle and military imagery.

If you seriously think that some retard in a military uniform who self identifies as fascist would create a lasting and resilient political system then I’ve got a bridge to sell you.

>>13297273
>In-group/out-group is something unique and wholesale to fascism
Do you realize how ridiculous this actually sounds out loud?
Fascists desire to implement an autarky that eliminates war between nations, and a socioeconomic system that elements conflict between classes.
It is, if anything, Marxism that wants perpetual class warfare and Liberalism that requires a constant exploitative relationship between nations.

And when did bigotry become uniquely fascist? The Klan existed long before Gentile.

>>13297273

The pro immigrant pro globalist labour party in my country (Holland) has had jews as its last three leaders despite the jewish population being 1-2%.
Job COHEN. Lodewijk ASCHER. Diederik SAMSON.

Said Cohen is now leading a committee to have the dutch railway company (subsidized by taxpayer money) pay reparations to Israel.
Because ofcourse we all know that it was the occupied Dutch that sent the jews into the hollocauster, not the Germans.

>>13297160
I know this my friend, I was simply humouring butterfag's argument and pointing out its (???) abject failure by its own standards. Still, hopefully your post will educate other anons.

>>13297291
>pro immigrant pro globalist labour party
Honestly, I never did actually quite understand this. I always assumed it was just Social Liberalism coopting the Socialist movement.

>>13297229
You're an asshole. Crime and IQ and all that shit is merely incidental, whites have every fucking right to prioritize our futures over that of foreigners, to be 'privileged' in our own lands and to not hand over the nations our ancestors built.

We do not need to come up with any special justification for the above, it is a prerogative that all people of the world assume, except when it comes to whites. How fucking convenient.

>>13297352
>>13297229
Y'all realize that this isn't actually an argument for or against fascism, right?

>>13289669
Fascists just want state capitalism. That's it. congrats on having the same economic system as Singapore but with less brown people

>>13297392
t. hasn't actually read Corporatist doctrine

>>13297387
I do realize that, but since 'ebil racism' is invariably associated with fascism, and since any kind of organization I support will have to include ethnocentrism, I might as well get it out of the way.

I hope you're not culturally appropriating from the American south.

>>13297399
The nazis had state capitalism. Every fascist state has. I don't care what theorists think they have. I just care about the facts.

>but a few years ago, /lit/ was socialist
>now its a bunch of fascists
what happen

>>13297287
Good post.

>>13297414
/pol/ and r/thedonald happened. Now we shill for the capitalist establishment by calling all the capitalists socialists.

>>13297401
>I do realize that, but since 'ebil racism' is invariably associated with fascism
The problem is that the Liberal establishment has moved the demographic question away from it's economic effects (and origins) and turned it into a purely moralistic one, demonizing all dissent. No matter how important it is, the conversation immediately meets gridlock. Look at the socialists, they once used to be anti-immigration for the purpose of strengthening the position of native laborers, now look at them.

>I hope you're not culturally appropriating from the American south.
Pic related

>>13297412
>state capitalism
Fascists theorized, and practiced, occupational enfranchisement. This means that state, capital, and worker had formalized avenues of engagement with the end goal of collaboration to the benefit of the nation. This wasn't just theory, it was practice. Calling it "state capitalism" in the same vein as a leninist vanguard party owning the means of production is reductionist.

>>13297426
>r/t_d being anything more than Neoliberals
>/pol/ being anything more than racist schizophrenics

>>13297462
Forgot pic

>>13297462
>This means that state, capital, and worker had formalized avenues of engagement with the end goal of collaboration to the benefit of the nation
LITERALLY how signapore describes itself.

>>13297475
For the record Singapore also has the highest HDI in the world. They're not 100% applicable, because they're a city-state and a tax haven. They're basically fascists minus autarky.

>>13297469
Very good, just checking.

>>13297414
We've evolved

>>13297515
You call y'alla but y'aller is our word

>>13297414
Supermodernity inevitably results in fascism.

>>13289682
Where there is comfort there can be no fascism. People are fat and (generally) happy. The seductions of hedonism and of not risking your life for an ideology are powerful . Fascism was an extreme reaction to an extreme circumstance. Frankly things just aren't that bad.

So instead you have this half-measure fascism the semiotics of which is detached from any underlying core of authenticity. Think of a /pol/ thread where anime porn is posted right next to a photo of SS troops goose-stepping.

What we have today is the appearance of the surface symbols of fascist ideology but no authentic content. The same can be said of marxism. In both cases there is a vagrancy, an orphan ideology without government support or genuine determination.

And before you say "well what about Trump"; Trump is a plutocrat not a fascist.

>>13297538
Fascism is unironically the most modern and proactive model, despite it becoming associated with hyperregressionists.

>>13294635
no, hes' just butthurt that people pointed this out

>>13297545
>Where there is comfort there can be no fascism
Give it a few decades, maybe a century depending on how quality the damage control is.
The necessity for high finance to turn an exponential rate of profit irrespective of the national welfare means, just as we're seeing now, wages will stagnate to intolerable lengths and the unskilled labor that is necessary to make the underclass livable will complete disappear as it is beginning to.
Upheaval is driven by large, dispossessed male underclasses. Necessity means that no matter how awful it becomes before the reigns of sensibility are finally grasped, I seriously believe Fascism will come, even if it's not called such.

>>13297159
>His country won't be ushered in new era of prosperity thanks to based climate change

>>13297208
Indeed they do.

>>13297545
That is way the only pragmatic position for fascist for now is to be accelerationist. The sooner the things go to shit, the better for us, since demograpics are working against us

>>13297960
How are fascists going to pull together a grass roots movement in the featureless burgerpunk wasteland?

>>13289682
You wish...
Ideas can never die.

>>13293837
This.

>>13297960
unfortunately, this is correct
>To permit irresponsible authority is to sow disaster; to hold a man responsible for anything he does not control is to behave with blind idiocy. The unlimited democracies were unstable because their citizens were not responsible for the fashion in which they exerted their sovereign authority . . . other than through the tragic logic of history. The unique 'poll tax' that we must pay was unheard of. No attempt was made to determine whether a voter was socially responsible to the extent of his literally unlimited authority. If he voted the impossible, the disastrous possible happened instead—and responsibility was then forced on him willy-nilly and destroyed both him and his foundationless temple.
God help us

>>13294539
Ah, yes, what we have right now, in fact...

>>13294539
the problem is that the Classical Liberal notion of concentration of power is outdated. It was exceptionally suited to the preindustrial, preglobalized world where honest capitalism had not taken off. It was also most effective when we had limited suffrage, an active military aristocracy, and a westward imperialism.

what I care about in modern politics is not so much the power itself (SOMEONE will have power, it's a zero sum game; it'll go to some variety of worker, capital, or state body) but rather the level of accountability and responsibility that is associated with it.

>>13297159
Maybe you should read something by some actual climate scientists instead of globalist shills. CO2 is NOT a pollutant, but saying that it is is a great way to destroy our economy, and send our industry to countries without our Western standards of environmental protection where we see REAL pollution: sulfur dioxide, heavy metals, radio-actives...

>>13297229
>the places where it doesn't happen

Yeah, racially and culturally homogeneous countries..

>>13297974
My take on it is that neoliberalism is really good at putting on pretty band aids for actuall problems, sugarcoating and suppressing dissent. So if thing change slow enough we might eventually end up in some stagnant dystopia of 85 iq brown Last Man. However if things shift to quickly for current system to adapt, if economic crises combines with ecological, if people starve while they see migrations continue, there is chance for enough instability to overthrow the system through riots or military coups, and replace it with something resembling fascism, albeit having some other fancy sounding name

>>13297159
Well, since you like basic physics so much, earth isn't actually a closed system. We get most of our energy from the sun, and we bleed hydrogen to space at about 3 kg per second (and smaller amounts of other gases).

Yes we're pumping out a lot of gas, so are volcanoes and wildfires. No doubt our activities have some influence, the questions are how much and how consequential it will be. With a maunder minimum coming up in our supposedly 'closed system', we might be glad of an extra bit of heat trapped by the atmosphere. Should we study and seriously consider the possibilities of AGW, yes we should... But tax-happy globalists, dogmatic useful idiots (you), and some overreaching climatologists (certainly not meme97% though) are burning bridges by crying wolf without definitive predictive data (in fact the inaccuracy of their eschatological predictions over the decades has become a running joke).

>>13297974
if/when the current system collapses under it's own bloated, delusional weight sensibility comes to the top by necessity. I suspect it'll come from the military.

>>13297291
>no you see it's the jews who are pushing for more muslims into Holland, I mean this will increase antisemitisms but this will play right into their masterplan.
>also everything bad in my country is the fault of the labour party

The poster you were replying to is right you're a moron.

>>13296686
>I think you're simplifying the sweeping organizational changes
As I said the economy was already recovering before those organization change. Hitler's first economic minister was good (and also not a nazi) but the intense investement in the army was retarded. If they decided to cut back on the military LARPing before the invasion of Poland, they'd have found themselves with around 2 millions jobless people. You can't have an economy centered around tanks and soldiers, unless you plan to go a d pillage, which Hitler did, which ended up with Germany split in two and millions of white dead.

The war preparation and general isolationism of the nazis cost them a lot. For exemple, they produced a part of their own oil with coal in a revolutionary but expensive process, instead of importing it for dirt cheap. This means the synthetic oil industry was entirely dependant on the governement's funding.

>France and Britain were itching to undermine Germany
That's horseshit. First of all Germany was a very important market for those two country, weakening it would have been shooting themselve in the foot. Second, they went to some absurd extent to avoid wars with Germany, such as the brits encouraging Poland to negociate the nazis insane terms of annexations or France not attacking germany while it was busy enslaving Poland. If France and Britain tried to undermine Germany they did a terrible job at it.

>Perhaps he didn't appreciate the gravity of what would unfold...
He fully knew France would act (and he had no idea how to defeat them at the time everybody was surprised by the nazis swift victory over France) but also that the USA would side with Britain.

>>13292021
>Louis XIV’s mercantilista
What an utter failure. This dude taxed his population into poverty and started a lot of wars to gain security by getting more land. As a result lost too many people and created a dysfunctioning economy.

Fuck Marxism and kikes

>>13296933
I mean I’m with this. For once something I can get behind: a rejection of both wings of the rotten bicameral legislature.

Onward Pepe! To victory with rationalism! :3

>all these people in the thread who are not libertarian
Yep, that's a big yikes from me

>>13289669
Mosley good guy

>>13297186
Don’t mind if I do!

>>13298933
Hey you haven’t been having sex because of me, correct? ;3

>>13295906
Yep, Adolf was as much of a meme as Trump. His regime was kept afloat because of the competent people under him who struggled to make his policies work. When they were no longer to plug the cracks, Hitler was forced to go to war and stay above water by plundering Europe.

>>13298892
Apathy is not an actual political position

>>13298957
Quit stalking me you incel freak

>>13293797
Prob'ly the latter... It does seem like a chicken or the egg sorta thing, though, I grant...

>>13293765
Anti-racîsm is not a position, it is a reaction.

>>13293869
Unironically seems legit.

>>13294533
Nothing humans do affects the climate overly much compared to natural forces such as the sun. Certainly sending our jobs over to China to be done by slave labour that also fills the biosphere with sulfur dioxide, mercury and other ACTUAL pollutants (as opposed to co2) will do nothing to change things, except for the worse.

>>13291073
Wow.

>>13292539
>Fascism isn't REALLY Fascism, it is what it's enemies define it as instead...

>>13292615
Just because you lefties always have an ulterior motive does not mean the rest of us do. But liars always accuse others of lying, don't they, since they cannot understand sincerity.

>>13292791
LOL

>>13291073
I don't see anything disagreeable here.

>>13297545
You're not wrong but we're seeing it take root, and it will keep growing as things deteriorate.

>>13300231
We all know what fascism is, dear.

>>13300251
Shut the fuck up boomer

>>13301878
good one zoomer, got em

Isn't China basically fascist now a days?

>>13301948
I'm no expert on China, but China's 'socialism' involves plenty of state-run industry, but also has the CCP as the largest shareholder in a number of "private" business. It's socialism with Capitalist investment from overseas.

In practice, this is actually the exact opposite of Fascism. Fascism would have leaders in worker and owner bodies in government. Not government in worker and owner bodies.
Likewise, autarky. They don't have autarky at all, they're incredibly involved with international finance.

Just because they're authoritarian doesn't make them fascist.