/lit/ - Literature

Sartre would agree with the last statement.

>>13272953
That wasn’t really true for Athens if we read Thucydides

Yes. Anyone who talks to you about freedom but never responsibility is a pusher for degeneracy. Degenerates are never happy. They get really distressed trying to procure their meaningless joys

>>13272953
Well, look at the modern west. Probably more freedom than ever before and people are exactly as he described. Some thinkers thought "we" would have achieved enlightenment simply by educating everyone and this is obviously false. You can't make people smart; you can only give them something to do

>>13272981
If we trust thucydides the democracy was a sham and pericles was the sole power

>>13272953
Freedom is oppressive to most of us. It means that we are totally responsible for everything in our lives and that is a lot of pressure.

this is why people join armies, mass movements. This is why people happily dettach themselves from themselves and join a group which provides them their identity. people seek freedom from freedom.

>>13272953
Self-sabotaging is an inherent natural flaw of man, and it has been allowed to run rampant under the contemporary system of (almost) true freedom. One must not disdain freedom itself for this wrong, for it has inherently nothing to do with freedom. Look upon this as an excellent opportunity, for now the true veil of our fellow men will be lifted so that we may separate the weak from the strong.

>>13273053
I think you make a good point here. Does that mean that mental health services are preventing humanity from progressing, and keeping people with these problems moving through the system is ultimately causing more harm than good to the populace at large?

>>13272953
Post the quote/passage please.

>>13273125
Perhaps very much so. The most important part is to take advantage of the absolute openness of our society. If your neighbor is a degenerate, exposing his degeneracy to the entire western world, would not hurt his social capital in the slightest. But for us, this is an indication, a warning, a sign, telling us to keep our distance.

>>13272953
nor true for people, true for the peasant trash. it's why we live in the neo-absolutist system of divine providence instead of a legitimate democracy

>>13273328
>he believes in mob rule

>>13273328
Peasants allow you to eat good food, monsantocuck.

>Sophistry and cleverness are an aid to lawlessness; rites and music are symptoms of dissipations and licence; kindness and benevolence are the foster‑mother of transgressions; employment and promotion are opportunities for the rapacity of the wicked. If lawlessness is aided, it becomes current; if there are symptoms of dissipation and licence, they will become the practice; if there is a foster‑mother for transgressions, they will arise; if there are opportunities for the rapacity of the wicked, they will never cease. If these eight things come together, the people will be stronger than the government; but if these eight things are non‑existent in a state, the government will be stronger than the people. If the people are stronger than the government, the state is weak; if the government is stronger than the people, the army is strong. For if these eight things exist, the ruler has no one to use for defence and war, with the result that the state will be dismembered and will come to ruin; but if there are not these eight things, the ruler has the wherewithal for defence and war, with the result that the state will flourish and attain supremacy.

Democracy is the closest thing a nation can come to anarchy. Has a democracy ever won a major war against another power of equal size? A strong unified state will always win against a disorganized stateless democracy. The only reason British parliamentarianism was so successful was because historically it was an oligarchy of ruling elites headed by a king. Even the prime minister of Britain was chosen on merit by the king up until around WW2. Technically they still are, but the British monarch has lost most its power by now. The state needs a learned minority to lead it, not the uneducated multitudes.

>>13272953
Freedom and democracy are antithetical to stoic values, so of course it results in failure and misery.

>Oh let's just let the people do whatever they want!
>What's that, what they want is porn, drugs, free shit, lowered expectations and a total lack of judgement for their crimes? Yikes!

Chinese Legalism is the ultimate redpill. There is literally NO reason to tolerate the idiotic notion of democracy. The entire enterprise has been a waste of time from the very beginning. The only kind of freedom that matters is the freedom to act correctly. Otherwise, it is just license to act in a degenerate matter. Degenerates belong on the end of a rope, not in a voting booth.

>>13272953
Yeah Aristotle made an interesting distinction as well. He said there was a noble type of, rule of 1, rule of few, rule of many.

The positives were the when the rulers worked for everyone, the negative, for rule of many, was placing the poor above the rest of the population.