/lit/ - Literature

Is it really that crazy outside those twitter screencaps /pol/ posts?

>>13264954
The Bible

>>13264961

>Percy's thesis is that the social ills which plague society are a result of humanity's epic identity crisis. Percy uses semiotic theories (the theories of signs) to argue that human consciousness of the self is unique from all other 'interactions' in the universe in that it is triadic. It requires two sets of dyadic interactions between that of the sign user, the sign, and what the sign stands for in order to be complete. As a result, persons are thrust into the predicament of finding a sign that 'places' themselves.

>>13264964
this
start with the old testament
nothing will redpill you to the (((deconstruction))) like the battle of Jericho, Gideon and the Grove and the book of Ester.

>>13264961

>>13264969
Reminds me of three body problem's trisolaris. Cool concepts

>>13264967
What is wrong with these people?
Do they just hate whites?
Because they aren't demanding that Africans stop reproducing or that the artificial population boom in Africa is stopped by canceling foreign aid.

But no, the below replacement rate population is the problem and apparently not being able to reproduce is now perfectly healthy, fucking clown world.

>>13264954
>weimar republic on steroids
I think you're understating Berlin.

>>13264967
>>13264984
ASS

>>13264984
>Because they aren't demanding that Africans stop reproducing or that the artificial population boom in Africa is stopped by canceling foreign aid.

>>13264954
>thinking these women will have any grandchildren

>>13264961
Yes

>>13264954

>>13264954
Decline of the west and man and the technics from Oswald Spengler.
Also unironically bronze age mindset

>>13265002
I mean they even support immigration, meaning that the only places in the world with naturally declining population can take on the excess male population of Africa...

>>13265034
These are all good but all of us are already familiar with them.. Is there a next stage, a next redpill?

>>13265060
Practicing what Spengler and BAP said irl and forging your own path with actions, not words

>>13265034
>technics from Oswald Spengler

Stop recommending the same book over and over.

>>13264961
No. Twitter and /pol/ capture the loudest most retarded niggas. The vast majority of people are a political deep down inside.

>>13264961
Yes you insulated cunt

>>13264954
industrial society and its future

>>13264954
>born too early to masturbate to slutty grandma pics
unbased

>>13264975
***HOT***

>>13264975
Please delete that sinful image.

>>13264964
The Bible does not represent the "normal". It shows slavery, absolute monarchy and theocracy. Unless you live in Saudi Arabia, those things are not considered normal

white niggas this is all up to you. us non white are sick of you guys subsidizing the collective bullshit of your women, because they make women elsewhere uppity and riled up too

>>13265195
They are the historical normal, which is clearly what OP was talking about.

>>13265208
Of course not, he says there is a parameter of not-normal, i.e. "weimar republic on steroids". Every stage of history is "historical normal", since every stage of history makes sense in its own context.

>>13264967
>fake Steven Pinker tweets
and people fall for it every fucking time

that tweet was actually about Pinker defending the idea that there are inherent differences between the brains of men and women

>>13265220
Slavery was pretty much universal in human civilisation until the eternal Anglo ended it.
It wasn't part of any "stage".

All of the things you say about the Bible were present in all previous "stages of history", just not this one.

>>13265231
>until the eternal Anglo ended it
There were arguments against by the time Aristotle wrote Ethics, and it was abolished before in Latin America, see "Sentimientos de la Nación" by Morelos y Pavon

>>13265240
And? Still it was, just like your other points, a part of every "stage of history" except this one.

Just like monarchy was the historic universal pretty much everywhere, except now. And arguing against that vy pointing to some previous republic is missing the point entirely.

>>13265254
>except this one
We live in the 21st Century, not in the beginning of the 19th Century. Are you arguing that we live in the same period of history in which the fucking Napoleonic Wars happened?

>>13265220

This just seems like a bunch of circular reasoning to me
If you want to establish an idea of what is normal it can't be a sliding scale or that defeats the purpose
Of course things make sense in their own context what context would they make more sense in?
If you're comparing multiple periods of history and saying they were all normal in their own context you're basically not saying anything at all

>>13265225
/pol/niggers live in a fantasy land informed entirely by twitter screen graps and memes. They have lost all concept of reality, if an unsourced image posted by a stranger on the internet fuels their outrage, it's the truth.

>>13264954

Grandma was T H I C C.

>>13264961
i had a friend of several years block me the other day because i used big words he couldn't understand when i was texting in a group chat and it "intimidated him"

>>13265273
>If you want to establish an idea of what is normal it can't be a sliding scale or that defeats the purpose
That is my point. The "normal" only makes sense when you presuppose it to a particular place and time. In "Works and Days" Hesiod says "oh, things are not how they were, people are so disrespectful these days", and Plato says the same on Laws. They lived at least 300 years apart.

>>13265265
>Are you arguing that we live in the same period of history in which the fucking Napoleonic Wars happened?
That entirely depends on what you mean by "stages of history", I don't subscribe to such things.

>>13265287
>I don't subscribe to such things
If you don't, do you agree that human history has never had a change of paradigm? If you agree with this, then everything is as as it's ever been. Therefore slavery is a normal practice. But we see it isn't.
If you don't agree that history has not seen a change in paradigm, you should agree that slavery is not a normal practice anymore, which would imply there was a change of paradigm: that is, a new stage in human history

I want /pol/ to leave, you disgusting stupid virgins

>>13265307
Maybe you should go back

>>13265303
>If you don't, do you agree that human history has never had a change of paradigm?
Of course it had, but it's continuous, not discrete.
You are presenting a very false dichotomy here.
Between red and yellow there is no point which separates them, left of it being red and to the right yellow, yet still nobody can deny the existence of red or yellow.
History is the same, changes happen and paradigms shift, but no revolution takes place in a day, it is preempted by a shift in societal norms, either for years or even decades and even after it has won power it takes decades until it has truly established itself.

>Therefore slavery is a normal practice. But we see it isn't.
Slavery was nearly universally practiced until, historically, recently. It is historically normal.

>>13265402
Slavery didn't go away for moral reasons. It also didn't really go away.

>>13265408
That's entirely besides the point, like pretty much any of your posts.

>It also didn't really go away.
Compared to where it was 200 or 2000 years ago it has basically vanished.

But this is also exactly my point with the continuity of history. There is no point at which slavery stopped existing, it just faded into irrelevancy over the last dozen or so decades.

>>13265402
>Between red and yellow there is no point which separates them, left of it being red and to the right yellow, yet still nobody can deny the existence of red or yellow.
If I undersand well what you are saying the differences between red and yellow are an analogy to the historical differences between historical paradigm and another, which implies that you do agree that there are changes in paradigms regarding history. And since I, implicitely said that changes among historical paradigms are what makes a "historical stage" different to the other, then you are agreeing that there exist historical stages. When you agree with that you contradict yourself in >>13265287

>>13265440
>which implies that you do agree that there are changes in paradigms regarding history.
Yes. That was literally the first thing I said in my post.

>that changes among historical paradigms are what makes a "historical stage" different to the other, then you are agreeing that there exist historical stages.
No. That does NOT follow. You don't understand the distinction between discrete and continuous.
There is no point at which one paradigm ceases to exist and another replaces it.
A stage is something discrete, something you are either in or not, that is NOT the case for history.

Look at a color spectrum, open paint and circle everything that is red. That is what you are trying to do with your stages of history.

>>13264954
me on the right

>>13265107
they are what we call the braindead liberal trash

>>13265511
is that image taken from a zombie movie?

>>13264954
It's called get a fucking job you loser

>>13264984
Why would people in one country tell people in another country what to do?

>>13265577
>Why would people in one country tell people in another country what to do?
The many millions in foreign aid to artificially push Africa beyond a sustainable population are the clearest words.

But telling other countries what to do is a favorite thing of the Americans and the global liberal elite.

>>13265511
Wow look at all those Influencers. Each of them is very influential.

>>13265586
Well they also sell them weapons so who knows what the plan is

>>13265599
Europe has never had birthrates as low as during this time of eternal peace.

Wars don't really seem to be effective at reducing populations.

This thread has finally convinced me to leave /lit/. The midwits have truly won

>>13265604
>birthrates
there has never been more people in europe then today, even retracting all the immigrants.

>>13265614
Many European countries have below replacement rates and Europe's share of the global population has been constantly falling.

Personally I would say that Europe is overpopulated already, which makes the immigration of highly reproductive migrants into low reproductive European populations even worse.

>weimar
stop posting you underage brainlet

>>13265614

lad people die

>>13265634
Ironically enough OP probably hates jews. For the sane ones out there try this one. It's really good.

>>13265622
Euros are becoming neo-Jews, right down to tribal mindset

>>13265648
>Euros are becoming neo-Jews
Well, the liberal elite is. Being the managers of their brown nations is apparently what they desire.

>>13265034
these aren't a full reading if you don't read Dialectic of Enlightenment and Ted's Manifesto next.

>>13265622
>Personally I would say that Europe is overpopulated already
france could easily hold twice its current population

>>13264967
Reminder that this guy raped underage girls with Jeffrey Epstein

>>13265708
>france could easily hold twice its current population
And? That doesn't make life there any more pleasant.

The cities are already giant shitholes, no need for more of that.

>>13265034
Spengler actually predicted the mass infertility as well as the triumph of finance. However he actually predicted that religion would make a comeback after the year 2000 with the transition to Caesarism.

>>13264954
cringe and "wrong-generation"-pilled

honestly, no one takes the rockists seriously when they're perpetually lamenting the apparent "death" of music, so why do we let slide every new wave of cynical traditionalists that feel the need to rage against the inevitability of their own obsolescence?

>>13264967

>>13265728
What is it that makes them obsolete?

>>13265725
>However he actually predicted that religion would make a comeback after the year 2000 with the transition to Caesarism.
A man can dream

>>13265742
Just make Trump the infallible pope of the baptist churches and the new fat Ceasar is born.

>>13265741
Progress or societal change (depending on whether or not you believe it to be "progress"). Literally every generation feels threatened by the culture that comes after it, or perceives it to be a degradation to everything they've tried to establish. It's a bias of generational perspective that has no bearing on the actual ways in which society develops, its simply a knee-jerk reaction to the fear of being outmoded.

>>13265060
An it's gonna happen, with the coming of the Jewish Messiah. Liberalism it is turning into a secular statal religion No joking, i repeat, no joking.

>>13265783
Sorry I was pointing out this

>>13265725

>>13265606
Good. Stay on reddit this time you fat fuck

>>13264954
Technology explains this. You couldn’t take a selfie by yourself 70 years ago. Otherwise I’m sure you’d have pics like the right

>>13264954

this book predicts this, USA government becoming favourite government of the planetary demon after Stalin'a death

http://www.rodon.org/andreev/trotw.htm#a2

full book is http://rozamira.org/rm/htm/index.html

>>13264967
>Pinker was born in Montreal, Quebec, in 1954, to a middle-class Jewish family.
Every. Fucking. Goddamn. Time

>>13265816
Follow your own advice, pleb.

>>13265830
it's a fake tweet you fucking deluded idiot

>>13265830
>>13265833
Every. Fucking. Goddamn. Time.

/pol/tards really are the most stupid poasters on this board

>>13265841
I stand corrected

>>13264977
How so? I read those books.

>>13265069
Retard. Does anyone on this board actually read or is everyone just working on recognizing a larger array of books/authors?

>>13264954
Try Reign of Quantity

>>13265728
The sincere belief that popular music could assist in the development of social progress was the tragedy. Poptimism is the farce.

>>13264967
This is NOT real. Just a meme.

>>13266006
Just to clarify. I mean it's not a real tweet. It's photoshopped.

>>13265511
>>13265595
>Wow look at all those Influencers. Each of them is very influential.
If they really are of the social media upper class, that image would be really accurate. All of them so unique, but obviously a copy of a copy of a copy, while also caged in by the powers that be.
very interesting if true.

Here
https://www.firstthings.com/article/2014/12/is-sex-necessary

>>13265771
That's an absurd misrepresentation of Reactionaries.
The people you are talking about are the neo-Boomers with nostalgia for the 80s or 90s, the liberalists and so on.

>>13266102
>Scruton
sorry i dont want to buy any cigarettes mister

>>13264954
>normal society

Define this.

>>13264969
>semiosis
>Dyadic relationships
I threw up in my mouth and peed in my pants

>>13264967
This but unironically.
Sterilization isn't a fast enough solution though.
t. Penti Linkola

>>13266174
Why?

>>13266179
Yeah, what really will save the world is white Europeans with below replacement birthrates breeding less and being replaced by non-whites with high fertility rates.

>>13266205
>>13266179
IT'S A FAKE TWEET YOU RETARDED FUCKING POLNIGS

>>13264969
Seriously even matter
does triadic semiosis.

>>13266207
I know. I can still argue with people over the contents though.

>>13266198
Peirce.
Believing that only human consciousness engages in triadic semiosis is both human chauvinism and sign-denial

>>13266214
Oh, okay. Just making sure.

>>13266220
Now if you want a good work on this read the symbolic species by Terrance Deacon. He argues that human consciousness especially uses symbols

How would their kids feel when they understand how slutty their moms were

>>13264961
No and /pol/twitter severely overestimates the ideological aspects of degenerates and SJWs. It's better to think of them as zombies--people who see something that is now popular/acceptable and they copy it without really thinking too much. It goes both ways, though, many polniggers (especially mainstream-friendly alt-liters, like Kekistanis) are also zombies.

But one noticeable recent trend that I see in young normies are tattoos. Although they still mostly regret them once they start reaching 30 and they look for ways to hide them.

>>13264954
Culture of Critique.

>>13265279
That's okay, you shouldn't associate with brainlets anyway

>>13265830
Yeah, it is true, once you just open your eyes and just look, you start to see it...
And you cannot unsee it. The g o y i m know, and that genie is not going back into the bottle...

>>13265830
>>13266411
that tweet is fake

I don't know what "weimar republic on steroids" means but I like your image. It's strange to me how hedonistic people seem. They care more about short-term popularity than virtue and their legacy.

>>13264967
>fake tweet
Im fairly sure if someone actually pushed this kind of edgy neo-liberalism they could make killing as a author/podcaster/whatever. Get a nice audience of hate readers and one or two billionaires who unironically love the idea and will throw shekels at you to keep doing it.

>>13264954
Damn, granny looked like THAT?!?!

>>13265220
The Weimar Republic wasn't normal even in its historical context

>>13265725
This is happening but not in the way we would want it to be. Religion came back as new age retarded spirituality and Islam. Caesarism is going to happen in the 2020s if we aren't living it already

>>13266456
>It's strange to me how hedonistic people seem. They care more about short-term popularity than virtue and their legacy.

I always wonder about this. I don't know if it is ignorance (that the hedonistic lifestyle won't exactly lead to a happiness) or some kind of myopia (where they know partying, etc is unsustainable but say "when I'm older I will change").

>>13266517
Those two reasons are identical really. I was talking about this subject with my family one time and my sister chimed in “you have the opinions of someone in their 80’s. Just have fun while you’re young” as if universal principles change with age. Disgusting mindset.

>>13266561
Most people ultimately make all their choices based of a combination of what satisfies their base hedonism and what servers their economic interests.

Any worldviews they claim to have are nothing more than an elaborate (the more intelligent, the more elaborate) excuse for why they don't need to change anything about the lifestyle they currently have. Its why commies have convinced themselves being gay druggies is somehow fighting the system. Its why liberals think being sheklewhores is moral and fine and its poor peoples fault for not serving capital better. Its why why right wingers think the system will collapse itself and just need to sit back and let it do it.

Not that I'm any better, hard to think of time I made a decision that both deprived me of please and hurt me economically but i did it anyways due to my moral beliefs.

>>13264954
The first step to understanding it is to stop thinking in terms of cause and effect. The second step is understanding that the will-to-freedom of Western civilization has come to a head in modern individualism and democracy. The will-to-duration, that is the intense strive for the future and resultant worship of the female (virgin Mary) as a symbol of the future, is also manifest in feminism and also homosexuality/transexuality where men literally want to become women, which was itself destiny as our civilization stopped seeing reproduction as a metaphysical necessity. This is also why pedophilia will never be accepted in our culture while homosexuality is, even though birth rates are declining the children are still a symbol of the future.

>>13266561
>"Just have fun while you’re young”

This is the kind of thinking that really screwed people.

>>13266561
It ultimately comes to a breakdown of identities other than that of human. There is no life, and subsequently no politics, beyond our bodies and the pleasures they receive because that is the true extent of humanness. The social obligations attached to that body may be necessary to make the system work, but they are entirely artificial.

>>13264954
oh my god, my grandma was hot? western civilization is OVER

>>13265116
I seriously pondered if we wouldn't have degenerated in this state if industrialization hadn't occurred.

Post your face when you realize newer generations will masturbate to old pictures of their grandmas

>>13264954
This is so stupid, people took saucy pictures as long as cameras have been around.

>>13266212
It does? Can you explain or link me to something?

gramma was workin with some ass

>>13266561
>“you have the opinions of someone in their 80’s. Just have fun while you’re young”

You haven't tried to redpill her saying that being a retard/slut is not having "fun"?

>>13264961
No and /pol/ is bullshit

>>13265841
>poasters
Is that in some way related to a toaster?

>>13266654
>implying this wasn’t always the mindset

The majority will fuck around in their youth and settle down in their middle age years. Meanwhile, a minority will concern their mind with higher pursuits. If you think promiscuity and the wild youths weren’t always a thing, you need to look to history more.

>>13266517
> (where they know partying, etc is unsustainable but say "when I'm older I will change").
I did this with being a peice of shit acid tour rat but most of my old "friends" are in their 30s still going to the bars all the time chasing grateful dead cover bands getting arrested for selling drugs and doing shitty coke all the time

>>13267076
Less than 1% of the population were doing it back then.

>>13267316
Promiscuous people end up being mentally unstable without serious relationships. Statistics already support this by the decrease in marriages and the increase in divorces.

>wild youths weren’t always a thing, you need to look to history more.
They were not. It is well documented that people of the past married young and were not "wild" since they were not sluts who engaged in promiscuity.

Redditors like you are disconnected from reality.