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>>13262847
Sagehood: absolute idealistic monism

>>13262847
Processism is absolutely the correct path desu, you can even see hints of it appearing in, eg, Marx's rejection of Feuerbach's materialism.

>>13262885
based and advaitapilled

>>13262944
Indeed. Process is the fundamental nature of the universe. That's what mythology, Platonism, Hinduism, and mathematics are showing us. Whitehead is the distilled and concentrated form of this ideology.

>>13263271
Arent Platonism and Hinduism idealism?

>>13262847
no adulthood is dualism. where did you learn to do dialectics

>>13263394
:'-) hang in there, anon. I know it will hurt.

Can someone familiar with Whitehead and Spengler relate their philosophies? Spengler believed the principal element was becoming instead of being, which lies at the foundation of his philosophy of history. How does Whitehead compare and why is he unique? How is he influenced by Heraclitus?

>>13262847
Unfourtanetly Whitehead and processism was retroactively debunked by Parmenides. He simply couldn't contend.

>>13263492
Do your own homework, James.

>>13262847
You do realize those aren't mutually exclusive right?

Hegel had an idealist process metaphysics

Marx had a materalist process 'metaphysics'

>>13262847
Childhood: Idealism
Manhood: pragmatism

>he thinks state and process are separable
Any metaphysics that cannot incorporate both being and becoming, or both ideal and actuality, both essence and existence, both quiddity and haecceity, both form and content, both means and ends, is less sophisticated than a child's drawings

>people change their views over time
Wow, this is so Deep! Whitehead was right!

>>13265591
Only the do

Processism is just materialism with dialectics.
Marx confirmed for having a white head.

>>13263516
Parmenides is alive?

>>13263516
How so?

>>13262847
ive chosen instead the path of lifelong alienation considering the very notion of an ism somehow unwelcome... I didn't choose to be this way actually it just happened... I can no longer think anything, all my thoughts are to criticize other thoughts. I only exist to suffer and I live out this suffering intellectually by destroying any notion of truth or objectivity or structure for precisely the reason that it is what I desire most, but that what I desire even more is my own self-abasement... this is my ultimate rejection of life which I've more or less doubled down on since finishing all of the good anime and pretty much exhausting the internet of all of its didactic wisdoms before coming into maturity.

>>13265564
Name one (1) philosopher who did this.

>>13265640
lmao, just woke up, was thinking retrocausality for some reason. what a brainlet

>>13265640
Being is eternal
>>13265647
I've addressed this question in countless Whitehead threads, including the other that is currently extant on this board. In summary: Whitehead fails to address the the Parmenidean observation of the coincidence of thought and being, and the resulting production "virtual" time and it's telescoping into eternity. See the archive for more detail.

>>13265663
I don't see it. Just you saying the same thing that he was BTFO.

>>13262847
>process

Childhood: materialism
Adolescence: idealism
Adulthood: ontology, leaving metaphysics behind

>>13265620
what? whitehead wasnt a dialectician

>>13266034
Dialectics usually imply the *process* of evolution and inevitable change, regardless of whether its substance or another process. In general when used in arguments, or particular in case of materialism - such as capitalism and "inevitability" of that *process* into startrek commieland by Marx.
Then Whitehead came along and started renaming things, to sell a book I guess. Granted, he was focused on the process itself, rather than what is signified by the process. Process metaphysics saying duh stuff like "things change" is not all that novel. You have to also elaborate on why and how.

It's unfortunate that processism is just other side of same coin, as it also shares the lack of soundness - both are equally fallacious, as both are eagerly willing to put up with contradictions.

Why are all philosophical final "answers" so far removed from the seemingly obvious reality?
Always gotta go around some 50 corners to ascertain something at which point you are so far removed from whence you started. At which original point reflecting on the answer one has found it seems just too far removed.

>>13262847
What is processism exactly?

>>13266457
How about you go read Whitehead instead of talking about things you don't know about

>>13263285
(Neo)Platonism and Vedanta are two different elaborations of the same eternal truth and can be described as non-dualism; they are the two finest systems of thought ever conceived. German Idealism and later iterations were a mishmash of Neoplatonism, Hermeticism, Christian mysticism and Spinoza among other influences and recaptures some of the same truths as non-dualism but ultimately falls short of it and suffers from various flaws according to what strain you're talking about. Processism and Whitehead too tap into some of the same insights and can be regarded as a minor improvement upon certain types of Idealism but like Idealism it falls short of non-dualism and is ultimately only a partial and incomplete system that suffers from its own flaws; failing to reach the sublime heights of the doctrine of Plotinus and the Upanishads.

>>13266683
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Process_philosophy

>>13266664
because it turns out questions like "what does it mean to be?" are actually really fucking complicated

>>13265650
Peirce

>>13266664

Obvious reality is the most absurd thing there is. Eating and defecating are something from Freddy Got Fingered.

>>13265458
LMAO

>>13263492
If you really want to know, read Being and Time by Wyndham Lewis

>>13263438
>>13263394
"Some of us are more relativist than others, in the sense that we believe in the dialectical contraries of contraries, but also in the absolute certainty of our own judgement moment by moment. Ask Heraclitus."

>>13267533
fuck replace the first "contraries" with "strength of contraries" k thx bai. o/

>>13265458
Peirce was an idealist

>>13262847
i've been memed into buying this book. will i regret it? note: i actually enjoyed finnegans wake

>>13265649
Have you read Nietzsche, if not read him. you say you criticize other thoughts, why not write them down, expound them, develop them... perhaps your onto something and if so...

I enjoyed Whitehead's 'Science and the Modern World'. Looking forward to finding some time to read Process and Reality.

>>13265840
What?

>>13266664
because time is a circle ;)

>>13266664
those could have been diggits

>>13267410
>science
Big YIKES.

>>13268639
cope

>>13263617
because whitehead and Spengler are definitely being taught in modern universities at any level deeper than "PROBLEMATIC" fuck off

>>13268666
shut the fuck up and shrink back to the youtube comment section you problematic cuck

>>13268662
Science is the worship of ugliness.

>>13266744
>open with Guenon meme
Thanks for the forewarning Anon, you're like a cliff with a "SHARP DECLINE HERE" sign next to it.

>>13267495
You eat a loaf of bread, beautiful fucking bread, I mean the split is perfect it's just... you're loving it, y'know. And then it's shit. Give it four hours and most people have turned that sublime loaf into an obscene, excremental loaf.

>>13268639
Ahh, the joy of observing discrete communication among retards. If you said that in public, to anyone you know that isn't a fellow spergler, you would seem as retarded as that statement. It's fucking hilarious imagining you "hiding your power level" over your disgust for the family blender hahah

>>13269034
whitehead=anglo=garbage

>>13269025
Prove it.