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>>13259239
Good morals but bad metaphysics

>>13259239
Cumbrain ideology for cumbrains and incels

>>13259239
epicureanism is all we need

>>13259242
Epicurianism and Stoicism were both copes

>>13259239
Seminal. First ideologies that posited that perhaps lightning bolts aren't thrown by Zeus. Not as flashy as religion, but also not as fucking retarded.

>>13259272

I've adopted a lot of his worldview from the letter to Menoeceus. There's a lot of pains of the mind, mental anxieties, which are major obstacles to leading a happy life, and often subtracting a pain is more important than adding a pleasure. Particularly, I found his argument against being anxious of death compelling, and I haven't really lost sleep over it since.
However, I tend to agree more with the Aristotelian view on things. There's suffering when one sees a dissonance between how they actually are versus what their innate moral sense says they ought to be like. And further, the most life affirming thing is to exercise virtue.

>>13259281
>he still believes in happiness

>>13259251
you can't even call it metaphysics, rather simply physics.

>>13259239
stoicism<epicureanism<pyrrhonism<'neo'-platonism

>>13259342
embarassing post on multiple levels

>>13259239
his ethics is the only redeeming factor.

>>13259361
thats what i meant

Benjamin Guggenheim
>"As Aubart and Sägesser reluctantly entered Lifeboat No. 9, Guggenheim spoke to the maid in German, saying, "We will soon see each other again! It's just a repair. Tomorrow the Titanic will go on again." Realizing that the situation was much more serious than he had implied, as well as realizing he was not going to be rescued, he then returned to his cabin with Giglio and the two men changed into evening wear.[1] Titanic survivor Rose Amelie Icard wrote in a letter, "The millionaire Benjamin Guggenheim after having helped the rescue of women and children got dressed, a rose at his buttonhole, to die."[7][8][9] The two were seen heading into the Grand Staircase, closing the door behind them. He was heard to remark, "We've dressed up in our best and are prepared to go down like gentlemen."[1] He also gave Etches, who survived the sinking, a message, which Etches wrote down: "If anything should happen to me, tell my wife in New York that I've done my best in doing my duty."[1] Etches reported that "shortly after the last few boats were lowered and I was ordered by the deck officer to man an oar, I waved good-bye to Mr. Guggenheim, and that was the last I saw of him and [Giglio]."[1] Guggenheim and Giglio were last seen seated in deck chairs in the foyer of the Grand Staircase sipping brandy and smoking cigars, ready to accept their fate without fear or hesitation."

Stoicism is fucking based.

>>13259368
what?

>>13259369
and all he got for his sacrifice where a bunch of misshapen slabs of steel, tragic

>>13259371
i didnt want to talk about anything but his ethics

Lucian seemed to be a big believer, and at the same time makes the best case for it with his satire.

>>13259239
I think epicureanism is one of the best thought schools ever. Unfortunately it is misinterpreted, because neoplatonists, stoics and christians defamed it. So many think epicureanism is something like hedonism, which is wrong.

Epicureanism had the most advanced understanding of nature in their time. They also had one of the best way to achieve ataraxia (=calmness).

Overall I think epicureanism is highly undervalued.

>>13259239
Why does he look like an angry Parmenides?

>>13259369
>Stoicism is fucking based.

The inversion of >>13259251

There's a lot to take away from Epicurus, whether it be his thoughts on death or pleasure, but I generally find he is more correct when he is fumbling his way towards a proto-conceptualization of underdetermination or arguing against nothing as an entity than when he is trying to make a life ultimately as empty as ataraxia seem fulfilling.

>>13261965
discussing philosophy with my friends while drinking fresh water IS fulfilling

I like his views on death but hedonism is pretty cringe.

>>13259239
Most sensible and natural way of life. Epicurus wins the competition of antique philosophy.

>>13259242
And?

>>13259251
Are you even serious? Ataraxia?

>>13259254
You know nothing about it. Here
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hBWDIzHldPg

>>13262248
Actually, Butterfly, Epicurus believed in the Greek Gods and their creation of the world.

It would do you well to actually read the Metaphysics of Epicurus before stating you know what they are :3

>>13262256
Damn dude not only did she not respond to you, no one responded at all in what was once a hot thread.

You ever think you might be too much of a dick? Like a real fuckhead?

>>13259291
Oh no. Who disproved happiness? Did they also disprove suffering?

Epicurus ripped off the hippie aesthetics from pythagoreans. It's still less cringe than stoicism, because at least you get to chill out in a forest or whatever, instead of being an autistic loser stoic.

>>13262256
>>13262328
Yeah! Leave butterfly alone incel JERK!

>>13262248
Fuck off Butterfly

>>13262328
Fuck off orbiting incel

>>13259265
what is a legit philosophy school then?

>>13262529
>Did they also disprove suffering
Why would you assume that? Thats pretty stupid
Suffering is constant, struggle is constant, happiness is just an unattainable goal
Feel free to prove that happiness is attainable

>>13262248
>be habby :DDD
t. Epicurianism

>>13263486
Have sex