/lit/ - Literature

you hit the nail on the head there
there is nothing more honorable than killing a man with a good enough reason to
>pro tip: you cant prove me wrong
also strangulation is the most patrician way to kill a man, not the most civilized way, but is it is the most patrician
the most civilized way to kill a man is in an equal duel

>hasn't read Ford Madox Ford
plen

I agree. I love pain and death. We should have more wars
WHAT MAKES THE GRASS GROW GREEN?:
BLOOD BLOOD BLOOD.
Send the juice down to satan. Big boy is thirsty.

>>13185776
>>13185856
You are both fucking retarded.
So, so many anti-war books have been written by men who actually lived through the true hell on earth that is war, only for some neckbeards that can only get off by thinking about the military and that'll only experience war through videogames to claim the opposite.

>WW2 was the last "good" war

>>13185776
Isn't Game of Thrones about war though?

>war is so cool
then why were you crying when I bullied you?

>>13185938
those "men" were soiboys and you are too.

>>13185954
I hope you Storm of Steel worshipping faggots die with your guts hanging out in the dirt
Maybe the you can muse how "honorable" and manly it is to be a soldier

>>13185961
>>13185952
>>13185938
The weak should fear the strong. Read Nietzsche. hating war is slave morality and not to mention reddit af

>>13185980
I don't "hate" war, I hate the glorification of it.

>>13185776
>die for some CIA boomers latest pet project to make an irrelevant shithole loyal to America
Or
>spend years of your life bored in some shithole to get free college and maybe one day your patrol runs over a garbage bag and now you look like fat Freddy Krueger
Or
>you're on a submarine with a bunch of assholes playing ps2 games

>>13185994
Yeah same
War on an individual basis is not about strength or weakness mostly its about random chance

>>13186006

>>13186046
Do you guys have a point or an arguement to make beyond calling people disagreeing with you basedboys?

>>13186053
Yes. War is good. Anyone who disagrees with me should be made subject to my will.

>>13185994
Those who glorify war are talking complete horse shit— War is necessary, but ideally should be avoided if possible.

That said, I think the reason people glorify war at all is because they believe it’ll be a grand adventure and better than the existential dread of modern living. Which is the exact same motivation many WWI enlisters had for fighting.

>>13186077
Trolling used to be an art.

>>13185938
lel I don't have a smug enough anime girl so have a Carl you fucking faggot

>>13186086
>i disagree but I can't refute you so you must be trolling
return to reddit

>>13185994
I like to study the thought process behind the glorification though, when you're at war i concur with anon >>13186006
there's a randomness to it, so when you survive you can't help but get the notion of destiny, as if you're not just good at your craft of warrior, but somehow you were chose by god to survive the chaos, your cause is justice and your tools are executioners.
I also feel that anti-war movements are a denial of nature of man while the glorification it is an over satisfaction with it.
What's the right answer to it ? Indifference, Glorification or denial ?

>>13185998
#3 sounds based (and ofc gay)

>>13185938
This is your brain on onions

>>13186113
Indiffrence
Usually the best soldiers are the everyday quiet folk,while people who actively glorify war would most likely shit their pants if bullets started flying
It shouldn't be glorified,though i can kinda see the aesthetic appeal of it

ITT what happens when all the hippie s o y boys get in the big ol pretentious drum circle that is /lit/ to engage in self rimjobbing of how war is so bad spoken my manchildren with the wrists equal to a prepubescent girl who have never even held a rifle in their hands but have held enough balls and cocks to have the pompous arrogance to feel like their opinion matters

>>13185980
Unfortunately for your underaged ass, I've read the entirety of Nietzsche's works, chronologically. So how about you post a single quote or excerpt of his that apologizes or glorifies war.

>>13186144
imagine being this pathetic

>>13186142
>aesthetic appeal
This is all there is to the glorification of war. It’s been romanticised in every medium imaginable, and even in instances where the violence isn’t being glorified, it’s still being aestheticised. I think the Ride of The Valkyries scene from Apocalypse Now might be the textbook example of this. The entire point of the scene is to show the senselessness of attacking random villages, but the music speaks to something primal in us and makes it seem far more heroic and epic than it actually is. The point therefore is lost on a lot of people.

>>13186144
I’ve fired more guns than you have pal. It’s nothing special.

>bro I'm so edgy and also a real man, while still living off my parents

I'm starting to think the /pol/ mentality is just a cope

>>13186186
I doubt you have. Niezche went on at great length about how in this world there is nothing but power and those too weak to seek it. He said they would come up with a slave morality to try to protect themselves from ubermenshes like me.

>>13185776
the most staunch worshipers of the armed forces are weak manlets like ben sh*piro and hollywood propagandists who just want that dod money though
fact of the matter is that war messes up the soldiers permanently and no one actually gives a shit about muh veterans

Pro War Books

>>13186186
Just like you've read all of Jung, right friendo? :^)

>>13185938
Consider the following: LARPing as Siegfried Sassoon and reminding everyone of the "true hell on earth that is war" may - in practice - be just as insufferable as reading some Evola and re-inventing yourself as a warrior-priest.

>>13186214
>muh /pol/ boogeyman
dilate you pathetic discord tranny

>>13186242
Care to spew any more buzzwords for being called out, you braindead idiot?

>>13185776
>ADL
>CNN
>BuzzFeed
>Hillary Clinton
>John Oliver
>Anti-War

pls

>>13185952
b/c i was so happy that you had freed yourself from modernity's lies and ratified your sadistic alpha desires as a man

This is why gulags were a good thing

>>13186267
I hope you realize that buzzword is itself a buzzword you fucking hypocritical libtard

>>13185938
>*Chad Junger blocks your path*

>>13186218
>like me
post feet

chantards are beta-males

>>13186218
>ubermenshes

What have you done to back that up? How many wars have you been part of? What's your military experience? How long have you served? You are not just glorifying war because you think it makes you look like a cool guy with an edgy and controversial perspective to piss off those pesky libtards on the itnernet for epic troll points, right?

>>13186292
The only hypocrisy here is how often retards like you use the NPC meme, while you respond with the same few phrases every single time someone calls you out for the cretin you are.

>>13186315
I was a paratrooper/IC in Afghanistan for somewhere around three years time in a combat capacity and Storm of Steel is my favorite book.

War is evil. The death of Christ on the Cross at the hands of a violent mob and under the imperial decrees of Rome shows that God will endure suffering and humiliation before avenging Himself upon the guilty with blood.

Christ, who is Most Holy and Most Just would not allow Himself to intervene violently in the world. Nor can His followers who are infinitely less holy and infinitely less just intervene violently in the world.

All war is evil and demonic. The era of just war ended with Christ. We await the salvation of the world through the works of God, His Son, His Spirit. We are at the world's mercy and we are not of the world.

Christ said the essence of love is to die for one's friends. He did not say it is to kill for one's friends.

To live with faith means to trust that God will redeem the world and its injustices, and therefore we have no reason to try and kill or injure our human brothers.

Nuclear Weapons are absolutely Satanic and they have corrupted the nation called America into the most evil force that has ever existed in the world, and that corruption echoes down through every part of the nation's fabric, because all the rainbows are fake shrouds that hide an ugly, horrific pit of devastating imperial weapons pointed like knives at all human life which will not cooperate and submit to the Satanic American Capitalist Order. Therefore America is founded upon blood and cruelty, aggression, force and violence. That manifests in families that cannot maintain (because there is blood all over the new car, and blood flowing out of the new stainless steel sink, and blood pouring out of the adolescent that eat and fornicate and consume with gluttony every bodily pleasure offered in the great Buffet of Sin that is America).

Love is dying in America because it is drowning in blood. The air is poisoned with uranium dust, the sea fish choke under Nuclear Carriers, and Nuclear Submarines, and the birds fall dead from the sky amidst Nuclear Missiles and Nuclear bombs flying all over the world as we speak.

Mushroom clouds block out the sun as the market place builds an artificial sky to hide it. A great glass sealing designed by the Clever Technocrats from Silicon Valley, is illuminated with LED lights above the bustle. Grown men cry before virtual prostitutes in dark corners. Children worship crystal powder drugs. Mothers pull and twist the heads of the unborn from their own wombs, while counting money.

Soon the glass ceiling will collapse, and everything will be seen for what it has been. A feverish, opiatic dream where the blood and body of Christ's own children is perpetually swallowed under the dictates of an automated Satan whose claws reach every corner of Earth and who bears 10,000 flaming ruby stones on his ugly fingers, beguiling the fat faces of Americans like coquettish strokes from the fingers of a whore.

>>13185776
good luck finding pro war books- people who are "into" war don't seem to be the reading type.

>>13186373
post feet

>>13186373
Well if you are telling the truth then good for you for at least doing what you believe in and not being a fake. Still doesn't make you sound any less like a crazy man, though.

>>13185980
I am 100% certain you are a scrawny underaged welp of a child

>fetishizing the mass slaughter of your fellow man over the most pointless of reasons
WW2 was the last war worth fighting. Everything else has been for naught.

>>13186390
cope

omg so much this
here have some extra spacing, and an uptoke!

>>13186373
post military ID

>>13185856
t. larper who has never killed a person.
War is not something you should glorify my dude.
Not saying you should lose yourself in this liberal bs where you pretend to be a pacifist while also drone striking villages in some middle eastern country but the causes for which you should do those sorts of deeds and/or risk your life are far and few between.
To that degree where I'd even say the USA military system hasn't encountered it since the second world war.

>>13186396
Thanks for proving my point :^)

>>13186395
Correct take

>>13186387
It's not crazy, the more "elite" the unit, the more the men that comprise it love combat. There are bad times of course, but I don't necessarily regret those either.

>>13186404
I actually have an old ID even though they were supposed to collect it when I ETS'd.

>>13186413
>>13186395
reddit

>>13186386

>>13186427
>how men post feet.png

>It makes no difference what men think of war, said the judge. War endures. As well ask men what they think of stone. War was always here. Before man was, war waited for him. The ultimate trade awaiting its ultimate practitioner. That is the way it was and will be. That way and not some other way.

>The judge smiled. Men are born for games. Nothing else. Every child knows that play is nobler than work. He knows too that the worth or merit of a game is not inherent in the game itself but rather in the value of that which is put at hazard. Games of chance require a wager to have meaning at all. Games of sport involve the skill and strength of the opponents and the humiliation of defeat and the pride of victory are in themselves sufficient stake because they inhere in the worth of the principals and define them. But trial of chance or trial of worth all games aspire to the condition of war for here that which is wagered swallows up game, player, all.

Suppose two men at cards with nothing to wager save their lives. Who has not heard such a tale? A turn of the card. The whole universe for such a player has labored clanking to this moment which will tell if he is to die at that man’s hand or that man at his. What more certain validation of a man’s worth could there be? This enhancement of the game to its ultimate state admits no argument concerning the notion of fate. The selection of one man over another is a preference absolute and irrevocable and it is a dull man indeed who could reckon so profound a decision without agency or significance either one. In such games as have for their stake the annihilation of the defeated the decisions are quite clear. This man holding this particular arrangement of cards in his hand is thereby removed from existence. This is the nature of war, whose stake is at once the game and the authority and the justification. Seen so, war is the truest form of divination. It is the testing of one’s will and the will of another within that larger will which because it binds them is therefore forced to select. War is the ultimate game because war is at last a forcing of the unity of existence. War is god.
Based

>>13185980
>le reddit meme
Go back.

>>13186427
uhm uhm baste

>>13186452
>reddit is good
no no I insist that you

>>13186457
who are you quoting

>>13185776
>IPA
Pleases me this is on here. Beer in general is reddit. 4chan is whisky.

@13186457
Go back, anon. This board is not for you.

>>13186466
make me cuck
>>13186464
learn to greentext redditor

>>13186489
lrn 2 who are you quoting

>>13186465
4channel is steel reserve

>>13185776

If you're not anti-war you should be shot.

>>13186206
>I grew up around guns but

>>13185776
In conclusion-remain neutral
To be anti war is to deny human nature and to be pro war is to deny reality
If the time arises,one should enlist

>>13186292
lol

Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs,
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots,
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
Of gas-shells dropping softly behind.

Gas! GAS! Quick, boys!—An ecstasy of fumbling
Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time,
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling
And flound’ring like a man in fire or lime.—
Dim through the misty panes and thick green light,
As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.

In all my dreams before my helpless sight,
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.

If in some smothering dreams, you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil’s sick of sin;
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,—
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.

>>13186689
>le middleground cuck
kys

>>13186810
Being neutaral =/= Fence Sitter

>>13185954
>>13185980

Why aren't you guys fighting right now then instead of posting on basedchan? There are literally dozens of wars you could take part in, right now. You literally have no excuse not to be fighting if that's what you truly want to do.

>>13186876
because the real fight of our generation is between the strong who will do anything to survive and the new age bugmen soi boys like you.

the day of the rope is coming but it is not coming for the black the jew or the women. It is coming for the incel

>>13186889
I've been in fights, and I'll fight when I have to. But intentionally seeking fights just seems like a waste of time.

>>13186899
If you fought me it would the last fight of your life.
I spend my life fighting off death you spend yours dying to live. Pathetic!

What is it with socially maladjusted, usually physically weak men at the bottom of virtually all social hierarchies fetishizing concepts like "the weak should fear the strong" and thinking of themselves as "ubermenshen"?

>>13186930
you sound bitter. Did men like this bully you in highschool?

>>13186930
honestly, fuckups play-acting as alpha males is more galling than s0yb0ys. At least these limp-wristed "men" know who they are and what their station in life is.

>>13186930
>omg, like who, just who is this neetchee!?

>>13186930
t. triggered discord tranny

>>13186955
Did physically weak shut-ins too dysfunctional to speak properly to other people who spent all their time larping as Uebermeschen from behind their computer screens bully me in high school? No, that didn't happen.

>>13186930
you have to go back

>>13186955
>>13186973
>>13186988
>>13187007
y u mad tho?

>>13186988
t. spindly neckbeard who read Nietzsche as self-help after repeated social rejection

wow it sure is SOI in this thread

>>13187043
sneed on instruction

>>13186427
>>13186417
>>13186373
>>13186296

Since this thread is full of cringe I want to clarify these are my only posts. I'm not one of the Neetche posters or the fags fighting with them.

Very embarrassing

>>13185961
God, I wish I could die honorably for the sake of my fatherland.

If you were a soldier you should kill yourself for being a capitalist cuck and an imperialist twat.

>>13187086
This is hilarious. You were a complete dickhead in the Junger thread.
>>13180467

>>13186186
By our best enemies we do not want to be spared, nor by those either whom we love from the very heart. So let me tell you the truth!

My brethren in war! I love you from the very heart. I am, and was ever, your counterpart. And I am also your best enemy. So let me tell you the truth!

I know the hatred and envy of your hearts. Ye are not great enough not to know of hatred and envy. Then be great enough not to be ashamed of them!

And if ye cannot be saints of knowledge, then, I pray you, be at least its warriors. They are the companions and forerunners of such saintship.

I see many soldiers; could I but see many warriors! "Uniform" one calleth what they wear; may it not be uniform what they therewith hide!

Ye shall be those whose eyes ever seek for an enemy—for your enemy. And with some of you there is hatred at first sight.

Your enemy shall ye seek; your war shall ye wage, and for the sake of your thoughts! And if your thoughts succumb, your uprightness shall still shout triumph thereby!

Ye shall love peace as a means to new wars—and the short peace more than the long.

You I advise not to work, but to fight. You I advise not to peace, but to victory. Let your work be a fight, let your peace be a victory!

One can only be silent and sit peacefully when one hath arrow and bow; otherwise one prateth and quarrelleth. Let your peace be a victory!

Ye say it is the good cause which halloweth even war? I say unto you: it is the good war which halloweth every cause.

War and courage have done more great things than charity. Not your sympathy, but your bravery hath hitherto saved the victims.

God damn I didn't believe reddit had invaded /lit/ but all these anti war fags prove they're here in force. I'll have to consult with my brothers about what countermeasures we will be employing.

>>13185980
they hated him because he told the truth

>>13186908
Your last line reminds me of a nasheed lyric I saw on youtube

>>13185980
>hating war is slave morality and not to mention reddit af
the most iconic line of the 21st century, if not ever

>>13187122
The guy has serious mental issues. He was constantly attacking the one poster trying to have a discussion and then acted like he was being polite.

>>13186186
"Kill all reddit niggers"

>>13186214
>bro
>edgy
>le /pol/
you have to go back

>>13186290
go back

>>13186403
>no u

>>13187142
If you genuinely read any of these as advocating literal war, you are a child and should not be reading Nietzsche

>>13186723
how does reddit come up with these brilliant original and pithy memes?

>>13187218
>if you disagree with my interpretation of nietzsche you should read nietzsche
>no I can't explain why
seeth

>>13187122
>you were a complete dickhead in the Junger thread.
I was the dickhead?! That other guy was Autismo-Maximus and spilling his metaphysical spaghetti all over the place.

>>13187035
you have to go back

In Islam, Templar Catholicism, Ancient Rome, Persia, Hinduism and traditions all around the world, there has been a concept of both the lesser holy war and the greater holy war. The lesser holy war is the simply material war based solely on honor, family, race, and strength. This is noble, but not the apex of the heroic tradition. The greater holy war, on the other hand, is the war one fights against his inner passions. The synthesis of these two is a war which not only is for noble causes, but provides metaphysical transcendence through a complete control of mind, the senses, the spirit, and emotions. War is arguably one of the most spiritually powerful phenomena when channeled correctly. It puts one face to face with the vanity of temporal life, forcing man to commit to higher ideals and complete self discipline.

However it is unlikely at best that any modern war would fall under such a category. Most wars are fought not from an aristocratic standpoint, but rather a petty bourgeois one in which war is nothing but a necessary evil for political hegemony and material assets. Thus, to resist modern warfare is a completely valid position due to its materialization. However, to resist all warfare, ipso facto, is to be be nothing but a child, hopeless to deal with any unpleasant element and like an mere beast, reducing every human interaction down to vain utilitarianism, forsaking any spiritual or aesthetic value.

>>13185980
>t. 21st century schizoid man

Pretty much any book about war.

>>13185954
Correct. Everyone who gets PTSD is a naive basedboy as well and they were right to get shot in the back for cowardice.

>>13185856
>a good enough reason
>Modern War
Pick one or go retarded, the only two choices

>>13186930
The correct view isn't "the weak should fear the strong" but "the strong must be protected from the weak"

>>13187249
beautiful

>>13187249
oufff

>>13185940
>WW2 was the last war where we were the good guys


Every war is a good war except when you lose. People fucking loved desert storm.

>>13187231
You have a perception problem man. Maybe it's something to do with the war. If so, good luck.

>>13187327
Boiling geo-politics and human conflict down to a hyper specific metaphysical determinism is silly and lazy. I stand by that statement and I don't care to put on the glasses that make such an endeavor possible. A native German was doing most of the arguing with the other guy anyways, not me.

>>13187007

Wow. Just wow. A lot of toxic alt-reich /pol/tard incels NPCs in this thread getting TRIGGERED XD. Let that sink in. *sigh* Dumb LARPing right-wing bigots living in their mommies' basements thinking they wouldn't get shot straight away in a real war. Oof. Yikes. Maybe, just maybe, it's almost as if why we need to bring back the gulags, comrades.
>nietzsche
Let's unpack this, so just shut up and listen: Nietzsche ACTUALLY never said slave morality was bad. He loved Jews and non-binary folks, sweeties. Now, a message to the real snowflake kiddies on this sub, I'm actually an oldfag and yeah, we said the n-word, but it was ironic so now y'all incels need to have sex and go back to /pol/.

>dying for the interest of spooks and politicians who don't give a fuck about you

>>13187427
here's a worm to go with you bait

>>13186723
Baste until the
>I feel disenfranchised and targeted
part

>>13185776
>TYT
>Hillary Clinton
>Che
These are all contradictory

>>13187527
not in the mind of average american liberal

>>13185776
This was obviously made by a reductive idiot

>inb4 I get replied with another unfunny meme

>>13187572
>reddit spacing

>>13187479
Fucking retard.

>>13186489
fucking summerfag trying to act cool becouse he got bullied in school.

>>13187392
Then what is geo-politics and human conflict really boiling then?

>>13187392
Same thing, your perception is well off. You completely mischaracterized what was said and you were petty about it. Same thing here.

Get help.

>>13187604
nice comment. do you kiss your mom with those lips young man?

>>13187667
That didn't even happen. He mischaracterized the entire argument because he's bitter.
A poltard who resorts to shitslinging when someone disagrees with him.

This is interesting, US Army sent out a tweet asking how serving impacted them. Tonnes of people responding with negative stories:
https://twitter.com/USArmy/status/1131704927963766785

>>13187667
I think Kaczynski's observations about man being stuck somewhere between fulfilling biological function and adjusting to an industrial world is a stronger explanation, that is if you were looking for a single overarching monocausal explanation (which is a mistake). At the core of it, man is propelled by biological drives and functions, all of your wants, needs, and desires are illusions that arose to increase your fitness. We evolved in the context of groups and group conflict, the acquisition of technology only amplified and exacerbated the darwinian characteristics that are perennial for all living thing. As long as we're still under the pressures of natural selection, the principles of competitive exclusion and zero-sum game theory are applicable. Industrialization has only enlarged these conflicts, it didn't create them. At the very barebones minimum, conflict is MATERIALLY driven, not a spiritual drive as the other guy was claiming in the Junger thread.

>>13187680
>>13187692
You're obviously the metaphysics guy. Look buddy, I didn't mean to hurt your feelings, don't take it personal.

>>13187823
Delusional.

>>13187823
>war is simply darwinian theory

>>13187831
>>13187856
You're right, it's magic.

>>13187881
ok then

>>13186113
You might want to look into Sozaboy by Ken Saro-wiwa if you haven't already.

>>13186186
I cant tell if this is excellent bait or just downs syndrome
>>13187142
Based

>>13187881
>he doesn't realise darwinism is just low-tier magic

>>13186776
Based as fuck Wilfred Owen poster. Also, is anyone going to try to recommend anti-war books? Or is this just a circle jerk over social Darwinism and what Nietzsche may or may not have meant?
>Catch 22
>Slaughterhouse-Five
>M*A*S*H

>>13187249
.t someone who has never come close to war.
It's easy to idealize something you've never participated in and which is aggrandized as a source of bravery and self-sacrifice.
Real war is disgusting, disgraceful, and ghastly. Men die whimpering and are slaughtered in ways that are considered low even for animals. There's nothing profound about it.

>>13188371
>There's nothing profound about it.
Not even the absurdity of grown mean whimpering for mercy and being slaughtered in ways that are undignified even for an animal?

>>13186810
>he thinks trying to find the golden mean in life is cuckdom
looks like you and the niggers have something in common

>>13186214
>starting

>>13187095
Your fatherland thinks you're a faggot and it will kill you for fun

>>13186077
yawn

>>13186373
no one cares what your favorite book is, baby-killer

>>13186387
>>I mutilated toddlers for capitalism
>if you are telling the truth then good for you
what's wrong with you

>>13186427
>peak burger cringe
you're an epic bacon lad, real ubermensch, kek

>>13186438
>Based
onions

Fighting in a war is cuck shit

You're gonna let some rich asshole tell you to fight so he can get a new house?

There hasn't been a war worth fighting for 1000 years

>>13189407
what was the last good war

> why, yes!
> i do enjoy killing people i don't know because those in power ordered me to
is there a more bootlicking act than fighting in a war?
killing someone who didn't do you any personal harm nor actually wants to kill you, but is forced as well?

if politicians want a war, they must fight each other to death on pocket knives. the revenue from streaming it will fill many holes in budgets

>>13185776
I don't get it, what's söy about taking prozac? Is this just a jab at mental health? everything else is whatever but this betrays the fact that whoever made this might be a piece of shit.

>>13189413
>Lol guys war is bootlicking i just going to watch rick and morty, they re doing nothing to us
>Country gets invaded, people killed an subjugated

>>13189413
they unironically think they're "fighting for freedom" or some other delusional narrative like that lol
they're just a part of the us a*my, the biggest terrorist organization in the world

>>13185776
yo feckin moron, war is gud for the soul and for the economy.

>>13189423
i think it's obviously my utopian fantasy that all people in all countries at once choose to not follow such orders.
as it's impossible, i'm left to post my dreams on four channel in such a form you can't tell if it's a shitpost or not.

>>13189423
>Country gets invaded, people get subjugated
that only happens to third-worlders these days. lmao. fucking imagine not being born in the developed world, holy shit

>>13189436
America and western Europe are being invaded and subjugated right now.

i think wars have lost the last bits of heroism and honor with the introduction of firearms and wide-range bombs.
the more elbow grease a fight involves, the less deadly it's usually is, and the more ones fighting feel like they've actually fought, brave and strong.
when the modern weapons came, though, it turned into a literal slaughter, courage and honor morphing into terror. the war became soulless, unengaging, a systemized and organized meatgrinder.

>>13189426
All you bionietzscheans are just as cringe as the trannies. It's the same fucking theory at its base. You're just losing.

>>13189457
meh, beaners are alt right with me. shitskins on the other hand are the bigger danger with there attempts to violently impose their culture on western society.

>>13189457
>it's an "anon slowly realizes who he's in a discussion with" episode
ah, yes. right. how silly of me

>>13186086
It still is. There are just lots of shitty artists.

>>13186131
I am sick of the fixation you fags have with onions.

>>13189479
onions taste good if you know how to use them.

>>13189436
Developed countries have suffered attacks from terrorist

>>13189457
>duh derk uh jerbs
have sex

>>13189465
if western society imposed their values on you what would you do?

>>13185980
>>13186077

Watterson blew both of you out without even trying ehl oh ehl

>>13185980
Being a soldier is the epitome of being a slave lmap 2/10 bait

>>13189488
Would you consider a terror attack to be subjugation? I guess it's technically brief subjugation. Does some extremely-bureaucratic-but-irrelevant organization like the UN have an official definition of subjugation? Might be worth checking out. Anyway, I feel like you're maybe following the letter of the law but not the spirit here. I'd sleep on it and try again later.

itt: bunch of intellectuals scared of their inevitable fate of hanging from the lamp post

>>13186930
Fucking this. The only reason these types of guys don't live in complete subjugation is because they live in a society that values their autonomy and freedom which also happens to be exact same type of society they want to destroy.

>>13189415
>human civilization exists for thousands of years
>no anti-depressants
>prozac is invented
>half the american population has "mental health problems" and desperately need the pills to keep from killing themselves

Don't worry man. I'm sure a drug specifically designed to make you feel nothing can't negatively interfere with your will and your mind. Keep taking the pills. You won't be okay without them, anymore.

>>13186930
They know they are weak, and despise it. They have no will or no ability to become strong, so they crave a society that will make them become strong, or eliminate them for their weaknesses. We tend to be empathetic animals, and we are willing to make subconscious sacrifices in exchange for a future where others don't have to suffer like we do. Weakness is suffering.

>>13185776
Marvel movies are literally written in conjunction with the Department of Defense. If you get any sort of anti-war messaging from Marvel trash then you are an absolute moron.

>>13189584
Okay soiboy.

>>13189525
>calvin and hobbes
holy fucking reddit

>>13189896
>disliking Calvin and Hobbes
confirmed Heathcliffe reader

>if you're not BASED and REDPILLED and don't worship this book I heard about from Pewdiepie you are a soiboi redd*tor
saved you reading a thread

>>13189909
you have to go back

>>13189918
upvoted

>>13189918
Everything has a subreddit, including 4chan. You gonna quit this site now?

>>13189896
>sees thing he doesn't like
>*BEEP BEEP* REDDIT *BEEP BEEP*
holy fucking NPC

>>13189927
no because this is 4channel you fucking newfriend
>>13189941
just go back

>>13186373
>zogbot kike puppet
yikes
>>13186619
this but unironically
>>13187098
also this but unironically
>>13187472
this
>>13189407
this too (unironically as well)
>>13189413
additionally, this

>>13189945
BASED AND REDPILLED
BASED AND REDPILLED ALERT
WE GOT BASED AND REDPILLED OVER HERE
KING OF BASED AND REDPILLED

>>13189945
Oh you're right my-

>https://www.reddit.com/r/4channel/

Oh no

>>13189952
>it's real
WTF?!?!?! I hate 4channel now. Well it's been real, it's been fun, but it hasn't been real fun. I'll see you fags next summer.

>>13189957
See you space cowboy...

>>13186395
>WW2
>worth fighting

There's been a weird pro-war push on the Internet lately. Is America going to destabilise another country for corporate interest again?

>>13190087
Yeah its either gonna be Iran or Venezuela

>>13190094

Ah, I forgot about Venezuela sinve I haven't heard anything about it in a few days. Sad on my part, I know. Very weird. There have been several posts on this site alone manufacturing a positive message of conflict for American interests lately.

Unironically the only war that should happen is class war and those that profit from the death of others should be hanged in the streets.

>>13185954
Leo Tolstoy was a basedboy? He was alpha af, rich count who fucked every woman he encountered, was strong as hell, and also was hero of war. But also he didn't give a shit about NPCs, was excommunicated from the Orthodox Church because of his radical pacifism, anarchism, antipatriotism, vegetarianism and etc.

>>13190171

Tolstoy was a vegetarian? I legitimately did not know that. I like him even more now.

>>13185980
Nietzsche was an iconic armchair warrior, singing about strength and battle but lacking real life courage to do just anything. You probably are like that, too.

>>13189760
you imaginative little fucker you

all wars today are fought for corporations and elites
theres no point in fighting in them

>>13185776
Evola's Metaphysics of War is great. I really want Jüngers "The Fight As Inner Experience" to be translated too.

>>13185776
I hope you find peace anon

If anyone is actually interested in a good book on the topic, id recommend Clerambault by Romain Rolland.

>>13185998
Currently training for number 3

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absolute fucking cancer
legitimately some of the most painfully obviously insecure bullshit I have ever read
the amount of bitter children shit flinging with their "u have 2 go back muh secret club" and "oh wow i'm so edgy coz i liek war!!!1" jargon is absolutely horrendous to read
i know this site was never really supposed to be good but fucking hell

>>13188315
interesting point you touched there, i didn't read the book, thanks for the tip, but i didn't mention the manipulation game behind both sides of the spectrum. You can see this glorification being used for child soldiers and the opposite in militants.

>>13185776
>pro war books
It's slave morality to not want to die for banksters, oil corporations, politicians, and weapons manufacturers?

I can't believe this thread is still up. On Memorial day no less.
>>13190577
>reply to everyone
autism

>>13190629
The only good post in this thread. You're all cucks to your rich overlords. Now go die and pretend that you're doing something good. You'll get a bland headstone and be forgotten like the rest. Only you'll have all the niceties of life cut short.

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>>13191443
you're either women or cowards. Either way you need a lesson in the nature of the world and why you should fear and respect the sheepdog like me. We're all that keeps scum like you safe from the wolves.

>>13190112
BASED

>>13185776
>the virgin "war is hell"
>the virgin "war is glory"
>the Chad "killing is hell, courage is glory"

>>13190112
go back to leftypol pinko scum

>>13187184
Underrated post

>>13187427
You went a little over the top with but your attempt is appreciated.

>>13191401

Fuck memorial day. Fuck imperialism. Fuck glorification of soldiers. Fuck war. Fuck rich people. Fuck war profiteers. Unironic.

>>13191793
wow so brave

>ITT: underachievers who are frightened even of talking to girls bragging about war as if they weren’t going to piss themselves if they had to take part in it.

>ITT: people who will never achieve anything in life and would happily thank the opportunity to die in a war that will not mean anything in the long term, perishing to honor the ambitions of old men and fueled by propaganda (deep down it’s a way of doing something with their lives, since they haven’t any talent and willpower to achieve great things in noble fields like the arts and the sciences).

Lol, it’s funny how you talk about chads and manly males but you would gladly submit to any high ranking official or to the will of generals, like a bunch of beta-males in a wolf pack.

Einstein hated war and wanted nothing with it, yet he was extremely independent in his mind and spirit and never submitted to the authority of any man. He, a pacifist, was far more alpha than any of you ass-lickers of authorities.

haha yeah war is so cool and manly and fun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4Pd527GN48&t=64s

>>13192797

I hate that video. It's such a misrepresentation of WW1. War is hell but it's just so morbidly disingenuous.

JUNGER GET OUT OF MY BOARD REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>13192419
Whoever pushed the propaganda that talking to girls is hard and that being successful in it is an achievement should be awarded a medal. Imagine implementing that mindset to millions of males around the world. It means more residual pussy for the ones who don't fall for it.

>>13190087
Trump said literally "hope not."

>>13192419
What level of bait is this?

>>13193913
"Residual pussy" is not a pleasant phrase

>>13193935
Imagine believing anything Drumpfstein says.

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>>13193953

He's the president of a shithole that needs to realise his words have the weight of an average American. He should legitimately stop ranting on Twitter and have the slightest modicum of class, manners, and dignity. It's not hard to not be a blowhard dipshit.

>>13191793
BASED

>>13194032

I know this is a meme but when you guys post "based" in its various guises I think you guys agree with me but know that liberals never do because they're stupid capitalist cucks. I legitimately believe what I say.

>>13194026
like it or not, he represents the american people

>>13194107

Yeah, I know. Americans were a mistake. All of them.

>>13194186
this

>>13195126
MASSIVE OWNAGE BY THE PARODY B-FLY WTF

>>13193913
At last I truly see...

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Have children

>>13187249
The only good post in this dumpster fire of a thread

>>13195197
Since when did the 'have sex' meme changed into this

>>13185776
War is atrocious but anti-war books are a special kind of awful filled with a mix of moralfaggotry, sentimentalism and the usual bit about whining and denouncing. Journey to the end of the night is the only anti-war book that didn't make me cringe. Both the author and character recognize that they are cowards (I wouldn't be better).

So many Letzter Mensch ITT

>>13196423
no you tho :)

>>13196423
>prussia

>>13189412
The one where we curb stomped the chinks

>>13196436
The french c*cks fear the prussian BULLS

>>13186407
>war is raw
oh boy

>>13186288
/thread

>>13186930
They feel like genociding enough minorities will place them higher in a social hierarchy. Also they could just like hurting other people.