/lit/ - Literature

Never post on my board ever again

these channels are unironically better than 99% of the right wing shit on YouTube

>>13152625
You’re looking for someone to rape you right now

something about contrapoints seems very tender and endearing to me while I violently hate the philosophy tube guy

i light you on fire in bad way

>>13152621
>my board

Wrong. This is a zoomer board now, none of us read, and its our board. Fuck off.

>>13152625
that's not really saying much. this confirms my suspicion that most of their viewers' allegiance to people like contra has nothing to do to their "insightful" criticisms and everything to do with spiting the other side

>>13152611
nothing could be better for the global right than more exposure for trans activists
srsly, thank god for contrapoints. shits gonna get real cash when he forgets to take hormones for a week and has regrets but its too late because his dick is already gone and replaced with an open sore lol

>>13152611
I very much despise The Philosophy Tube circus director guy.
He's a clown and has an insufferable attitude

>>13152649
I just hate his soft face and body and his unctuous voice

>OMG CONTRA'S LIGHTING IS SSO KINO

>>13152637
Kill yourself

>>13152611
making fun of the intellectual dork web types like shapiro and peterson isn't philosophy. these troglodytes and their insipid views on mundane crap is not "philosophy"

kys

>>13152625
you need to go back, also dilate

You guys know you don't have to actually watch any youtubers, right? You don't have to have any opinions on them, you don't have to research their positions. If someone asks you about them, you can say you don't know them; if they begin to tell you about them, you can listen carefully and try to relate it back to something interesting you've read, or if you wish, you can politely tell your conversational partner that you'd rather change the subject of conversation to something you both can talk about.

There's no shame in not knowing anything about pop intellectuals or youtubers. There can be quite a bit of shame in autistically obsessing over them. Why waste the energy? Why pursue such a dangerous path?

Fill your head with good things, and don't meditate on these evils.

>>13152679
>ignore things
>be complacent
no
the world is on fire and I intend to do something about it
you can thank me once I've stopped the civilization that has formed a protective bubble around you from popping
or you can just keep playing computer games or whatever the fuck it is you think IS good for a person to think about

>>13152679
you sound like you're talking to yourself and projecting your own insecurities onto everyone on here

>>13152657
Sorry, you lost. The mods let us have threads about literally anything.

This is /ourlit/ now. We do not read. And we like it that way.

Go cry in a library, faggot

>>13152611
That person on the left is a man aren't they?

>>13152611
Who’s on the right?

>>13152679
Appreciating someone is obsessing over them?
You just have a trap fetish

>>13152611
>Boiler-plate liberal-takes that could be expounded by a fortune cookie dressed-up in 50 minutes of pageantry and faggotry.
YAAAAAS SLAY QUEEN, FIGHT THE POWER *proceeds to receive affirmation, praise and funding from establishment media*

>>13152625
>what is c*ckphilosophy

>>13152690
I guarantee you that civilization will be better served by you being an amicable guy who has a career, ambitions, and relationships, rather than being a psychotic obsessive who deconstructs arguments from people who wouldn't be relevant anyway if people just ignored them. None of these people have unique ideas: if you ignore them, and read actual philosophical texts, recognized from academia, if you actually give yourself a literary regimen and stick to it, it will be better for you, the people around you, and for society as a whole. You can't "fix society" by arguing online about retards, you retard.

>>13152695
Sure, if you like. But it's in the nature of writing that when you work out your own problems, sometimes you help others with theirs.

"YouTube intellectuals" and e-celebrities make their careers on the discourse that surrounds them. I'm saying, as someone who used to spend too much time on such things, that you'll inevitably find these people are part of a larger, more important, more interesting discourse, and if you participate in that, you'll find yourself wiser, smarter, and most importantly, you won't give validation to a bunch of smug cunts who already make far too much money on patreon anyway. More than that, you'll kick yourself for not looking for that higher discourse sooner, and you'll find that it was always there, but you got distracted by these uninteresting people putting out flat takes.

Just walk away, anon. You have the power within you to educate yourself on important matters, and when someone comes along and tries to tell you why they are oh so smart and clever, you'll be able to judge them properly.

>>13152690
Based
I used to think just like this but now I really don't believe any one person, no matter how fervent and competent, can singlehandedly fix this mess.
Rather, you can only do as much as you can do and you should organize with like minded people as much as possible to amplify your signal.

>>13152784
the irony is that you clearly care more about this than anyone in this thread

>>13152784
>you being an amicable guy who has a career, ambitions, and relationships
I already am/have these things. and what you call psychosis I call awareness and principles.
and if you think the issue is their arguments, youre mistaken. similarly if you think they're popularity is simply through agitprop, you're also mistaken.
these people are self-motivated psychological warriors for the elites who profit off of the status quo. they exist to put stupid ideas in peoples head and coax them into just accpeting it and moving on
if you truly don;t see the indisidious operations functioning in the world or are just too scared to do anything about it, then you should be the one keeping your mouth shut.
there is no reward for being the most agrreable guy on the planet, stop acting that way

>>13152809
based

>>13152784
>academia
They got us into this mess.
KYS.

>>13152893
woahhh.. DUDE YOU READ KACYZINZIKI? you must be so smaart!

>>13152893
The internet was a mistake

>>13152911
so you agree with uncle ted then?

>>13152915
>uncle ted
how can someone be this 2016

>>13152916
...?
what year is this? how long have I been asleep?!
damn you internet!!!

>>13152925
based

>>13152907
le irony poisoning le cynical irony maymay le i cant even remember how to communicate like a normal human being after being entrained by bitter post ironic internet culture le le le le le le lel el elelelellele lelelelelell

>>13152625
The Right Wing has virtually the entire premodern intellectual tradition, dont need trendy millenial *tubers*

>>13152679
I don't watch youtubers because I'm too autistic for that to be a worthwhile medium for me but I still know about them the same way you know about any celebrity. Also normies are obsessed with punditry, in college it was so shocking to me how important it was who said something vs. what they said, like that was literally all that mattered.

>>13152933
SEETHING

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>>13152631
i just wanna fug contra and secretly be far right up his butt

>>13152915
The idea of Democracy is that all people possess the right to determine WHO should dictate political decisions. There is a more subtle idea implied in this framework: that all people possess the right to determine WHAT ideas should dictate political decisions.

The rise of the internet has brought this to full fruition by expanding the variety of political ideas available to common people.

The result will be devastating, precisely because people gravitate to forbidden ideas as an expression of the will of the self.

>>13152951
Do you want your cum to hit his skin? Because that is gross.

>>13152714
What?

>>13152956
>all people possess the right to determine WHAT ideas should dictate political decisions.
No, it's that all people can and do make informed and wise decisions, which they obviously do not.
>The rise of the internet has brought this to full fruition by expanding the variety of political ideas available to common people.
All the internet did was make it easier to expose everyone to propaganda, which undermines democracy and subverts the collective will of the people.

>>13152783 this
cuck philosophy is far better than both in OPs image

>>13152661
For a second there I was thinking you were calling Jordan “pacify the right” Peterson and Ben “big nosed epic style” Shapiro members/practitioners of the dark enlightenment “movement” But then I noticed it was “dark web” and not “dark enlightenment” so I actually agree, although it is probably best for the left side if they can keep the ideas which could prove an actual issue extremely unknown at least until they can get a true monopoly on power. (Until of course their system collapses utterly in which case the spiral is reset to an extent on a mostly ruined world)

>>13153070
This.
By the way is he irl a leftist or is he a right winger who wants to provide the correct information with which can be used by the right to fight post modern and related philosophies on more advantageous grounds?

>>13152611
i hate to admit this, but i've watched no less than five contra points videos in the past two weeks. his voice, his shrill, grating voice, is not his actual voice. i saw a video of his from 3 years or so ago and he had a normal male voice relative to what he has now. anyone know whether the hormones do that or he's just putting it on?

>>13153170
It's almost certainly a combination of the two.

>>13153016
Ted Kacynzski is propaganda? For whom?

>>13152951
You could do better, anon (ie me).

>>13152625
That is really not hard.

Out of those left wing Philisophy YouTubers Cuck Philisophy is GOAT tho.

Anyone know some more moderate channeles/sites/whatever that are social liberal or other left center-ish options? That shit became almost imposible to find in philisophy.

>>13153137
Leftist. He talks about it in some video.

>>13153218
I suppose that makes sense, although he is foolish to be so accessible towards his enemies, as they are much more likely to take their newfound understanding of proper post modernism to the battlefield of thought than to convert to its ways, or even develop them into a further evolution of post modern thought by applying reactionary ideas to the solutions to the problems of modernity.
In short an ignorant enemy is one easily quashed while one that you have gifted the weapons of the thinking war will be able to defend themselves much more diligently.
Though on the other hand it can help to pacify the right through breaking their great thinkers into nihilists with an acceptance that their ideas will not survive or ever be able to thrive due to the stranglehold that the leftists hold upon the entirety of the modern western world. Like what happened with moldbug. (although this might be outdated and newer thinkers who have been inspired by his work directly are trying to use them to assemble some sort of future for their movement)
Then again far rightist political nihilism may not be tied directly to post modern thought and I’m just talking out of my ass.

>>13153253
Nobody puts much thought into the internet culture war, except some of the instigators, it's quite literally two sides polemically flinging shit at eachother

>>13153253
It'll probably end up with each side trying to deconstruct the other while fighting over Foucault's AIDS ridden corpse.

>>13152611
Oliver doesn't like peterson, so he's alright in my book

>>13152679
because their aristocracy is defined by how much money they have, not by habitus. it will become the same in europe because the nobility died out / was removed.

>>13153521
He refuses to read Heidegger because "nazi bad." How can you, or anyone take a person with such blatant anti-intellectualism seriously as a philosopher, a youtuber, or even as a person?

>>13153534
where does he say that?
http://www.research.lancs.ac.uk/portal/en/people/oliver-thorne(36b20e68-de7d-4e68-b482-96ff95520071).html this one implies he read him lol

>>13153561
In one of his videos where he's answering questions from subscribers, one of the questions he answers is if he read Heidegger. His answer was "you don't read a nazi, never read him." I wish I knew which video and the timestamp. The thread where the video with timestamp can be found on warosu.

>>13153561
>>13153573
I found the post.
>>/lit/thread/S11716823#p11718245

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>>13152714
WOW
Not a SINGLE refutation

>>13153589
>>13153611

Have sex

>>13152625
Based and very true

Kill yourself, faggot.

>DUDE MAGENTA LIGHTING
>DUDE I *OWN* MY DEGENERACY HOW'S THAT FEEL /POL/ HAHAHAHAXGGAXXG
>DUDE ENGLISH UPPER CLASS ACCENT DRAWLING IN CONDESCENSION
>LOOK AT MY DEGENERACY GIMMICK I'M A TRANNY/BASEDBOY/CRIPPLED RETARD/WOMAN/[X] AND I FUCKING ****OWN***** IT
>LOOK AT MY RESPECTIVE GIMMICKS MY VAGINA/NEOVAGINA/WIGS/DRESS/WHEELCHAIR/POOR PHYSIQUE/GYNO/BALDING PATE/SMALL PENIS/UGLY COUNTENANCE/INCREMENTS OF PROGRESSIVELY MORE ODIOUS FETISHES/MORBID OBESITY/SATANIC IMAGERY (TAKE ***THAT*** TRADITIONALLY RELIGIOUS ALT RIGHT FUCKTARD CHUCKLEFUCK BUMBLEFUCK RUCKLEDUCK [non sexist, transphobic or homophobic insult here] FOX NEWS WATCHING IDIOTS LMFAOOO)

hate hate hate hate hate

there's nothing I hate worse than these disgustingly pretentious youtube faggots and their grossly fucking stupid midwit fans and hangers on

MASS GRAVES MASS GRAVESMASS GRAVES MASS GRAVESMASS GRAVES MASS GRAVESMASS GRAVES MASS GRAVESMASS GRAVES MASS GRAVESMASS GRAVES MASS GRAVESMASS GRAVES MASS GRAVESMASS GRAVES MASS GRAVESMASS GRAVES MASS GRAVESMASS GRAVES MASS GRAVES

kill them fucking all PLEASE

>>13153681
have sex

>>13153681
based and redpilled post

>>13153644
Kek

>>13152784
This

>>13152809
Not This

>>13153070
cuck philosophy is unironically the single best refutation of the dumb crusade against postmodern neomarxism
it's also unironically better than either of these channels...Olly just copied Contra's lighting / editing / video-as-40-min-lecture-infotainment / general aesthetic because Olly really wants to taste Contra's girl-semen after Contra's mixed it around with her girl-benis in his ass for a while.

I see nothing wrong with it, I'd atm Contra too...I just wouldn't go as far as basing my entire YT channel off of hers.

>>13152625
dont know the one on the left but the guy on the right is brain dead with no self awareness at all. stay away from youtube.

>>13152611
BASED

>>13152690
>you don't get it, man, I'm fighting the system by sitting at home and giving money to Google.

Good luck with you revolution or whatever.

I hate academics who don't deal with objective subject matter.

Philosophy is a circle jerk. Its art. I don't trust any single person with a degree in it.

>>13153686
have sex is a redditor insult, proud incels rally on with the gore posts!

>>13152611
how can 2 people look so unbelievably ugly

>>13152611
I look forward to that tranny's eventual suicide.

>>13153790
ugly (and miserable) people are drawn to leftist ideology

look into it

>>13152625
Yeah, pissing yourself is obviously better than shitting yourself and eating the shit.

>>13152642
I wouldn't call Contra really insightful but that's because most of the shit she comments on is pretty obvious and is targeted towards an audience that is used to get information from memes and shitposting; so it's still a clear step up.

>>13153738
>objective subject matter
My sides.

>>13153803
The ugly, the miserable, the intellectually bereft, i.e. all those with detestable apparent and spiritual physiognomy are drawn to ideology in general.

not literature

>>13153738
>Philosophy is a circle jerk. Its art. I don't trust any single person with a degree in it.

Exactly. Philosophy is a fantastic subject matter, but which makes for an absolutely atrocious thing to get a 'pure' degree in, and hence you can see exactly how lacking in imagination someone would have to be in order to get a university education focusing on it, as opposed to actually going out and trying to achieve something before attaining the experience and confidence necessary to do serious philosophy.

>>13153830
Philosophy is wanked here so regularly, marginal stuff like this might as well be. It doesn't even take it fifteen minutes for any layman to notice that.

>>13152679
>>13152784
based & redpilled

>>13152809
you're probably just too low iq to crawl out of this mess. the youtube/reddit/twitter algorithms have taken over your brain.

>>13153717
Look up truediltom

Never seen Contra before, but Olly is terrible. He's really condescending, which makes his videos difficult to watch. He also really doesn't talk about philosophy much for a channel named after it (I think he just called it that to try and give his opinion more weight; i.e. it's philosophy so it must be right). Cuck Philosophy has similar views to him, but actually uses philosophy and treats the audience as an equal, rather than talking down to them, so it's not because of his political views.

>>13153956
>He's really condescending
Caring about tone so much. Why?

>>13152625
>lying about shit for an agenda is better than lying about shit for an agenda
Yea sure
t. Leftist

>>13152611
>philosophy tube
>*gets utterly destroyed by le indo-european man*
https://youtu.be/qRRC7MMsJPo

>>13153918
>truediltom
Pretty much the only "youtube intellectual" I can recommend.

There are some others too, but they only make good content occasionally.

Imagine needing people to dress up in cringey costumes and make heavily scripted videos with jump-cut editing and bad humour thrown in just to hold your hyperactive attention long enough to learn about philosophy.
Just read a fucking book.

>>13154019
Nah dude fuck books just subscroob to School of Life and learn all about Plato in a 5 minute video lollll!!

>>13154032
liar
this is too long for me

>>13154004
Just watched this again
Gaurantee you that smug faggot will never respond to this video, Ollie completely fucking lied about everything and clearly didnt even read Evola.

>They're wrong because I don't like them!!
>Also, it doesn't count if philosophy is presented in an accessible manner. It's only possible to learn by directly reading the source material yourself!!!!!!

When I opened this thread I was really hoping /lit/ would do better than this. Granted, I can understand criticisms about presentation and tone, but many of the posters in this thread come across as pretentious literary elitist pseuds or immovable ideologues.

>>13152625
I wish brainwashed americans would die off or be barred from posting on the internet.. they're nothing more than cattle.. imagine falling for the left right dichotomy after 50years of documenting CIA disinformation lmao... pathetic..

>>13153988
Because it's unwarranted. His political view is shit and he doesn't know it.

>>13152784
Point us towards to the higher discourse please. I wanna get into the mud of this game.

If you link to a bunch of neoliberal globohomo organizations then I'm gonna be disappointed as fuck.

>>13152611
It was better left for dead

>>13152690
watching edutainment videos is the ultimate complacency

>>13153988
It's annoying to have someone talk down to you about things you already know for a 40 or so minute video. Tone is really important because pretty much the entire video is him talking, and if that's insufferable, it's not going to be a good video.

>>13152611
ContrannyPoints is a tranny so it's a no-no from me. I liked Ollie's video on Pooterson.

>>13152631
Almost everything he's shared on the podcast is a complete lie. William Nicholas Parrot is a very different person from the character he plays. You know he quit academia because of the MeToo movement right?

I don't know how these people are but the people who talk about them are fags.

>>13154198
Elaborate.

>>13154198
He's based and redpilled though. All you gotta do is to whore out to the left and you get millions. Natalie just took it a tad bit too literally and making this whole thing hysterical.

Welcome to the real world.

>>13152611
>believes philosophy can be saved

>>13154257
If I saw these people in real life I wouldn't be able to control myself and keep from outwardly expressing disgust. I might even try to pick a fight. I hate everything about these people.

>>13152611
I masturbated to this tranny, again. God I hate what my life has become.

>e-celebs
yikes and sage

>>13154257
This is why we needed Hitler.

>>13154210
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/contrapoints-william-nicholas-parrott-natalie-wynn-parrott-nykytyne2.34349/

There's a lot of stuff in there but here are some highlights
>Got accepted into the graduate school at Northwestern, immediately drops out after a major scandal comes up involving one of his fellow graduate students leveraging his position for sex with undergraduates. Someone brought this up on a Livestream and William immediately left the chat
>In another drunken live stream (now deleted) William admitted that he isn't even actually trans. He is a crossdresser IRL, but noticed how much more traffic his channel got after he included a female character or two in his skits. If you look at before and after pictures of him on "HRT", there are no effects. He looks more feminine before his "transition", more facial fat, larger eyes, better skin tone. It's obvious he's on some sort of narcotic. He just looks sick now
>Not to mention the whole Theryn Meyer cheating scandal.
>His old girlfriend was basically his full-time caretaker for more than a year while he was a low functioning alcoholic who was unemployed. He dumped her the moment he became successful
He's just a garbage person who you shouldn't ever listen to

>>13154279
Stop masturbating to trannies you fucking savage.

>>13153681
This is based as fuck, trannies are disgusting. Even as a child, I couldn’t stand to be near one, my natural instincts kept me safe from their repulsive being

>>13154352
>even as a child i couldn't stand being near one
This isn't suprising in any way, many children are scared of individuals that look uncommon, like clowns or people with disabilities. Also, where do you live? I saw a tranny for the first time only in my adult life. She was a far leftist, but we got along well.

>>13154257
>3/4 of them have jewish phenotype

Surprise!!

>>13154257
God I hate white people. I wish brown people like that spic family next to them never came to our countries to get infected by our poison.

>>13153681
You do realize this is exactly the sort of reaction they want, right?

>>13153611
You can take the redditor out of the downvote but you never take the downvote out of the redditor.

>>13152907
Imagine not being able to consider a single idea from a writer simply because you disagree with their overall worldview.
As Aristotle said, it's the ultimate pseud filter.

>>13153743

Nigga, it's from /asp/. This is what happens when you expose the GOD DAMN BUSINESS!

Now I see why memerson threads stir shit up so much. Contrapoints/cuckphil/chapo and memerson fags absolutely deserve eachother.

>>13154719
The memes rite themselves.

>>13154719

That's false equivalence. You don't get hordes of drones who proclaim they are this century's greatest intellectuals. No one spends 1500 USD to see contra points debate about a topic that he knows nothing about.

Say what you want about lefty youtubers, but at least most of their shit is backed up by facts and they don't twist the research they are quoting. Read any article that Sargon/Lauren Southern/Black Pigeon/PJW Speaks quote and it's like they didn't even read the article.

>>13154719
To be honest, though, they're just kids. You can't expect boys in their late teens to have a nuanced view of politics or philosophy. Especially when they get their content through heavily filtered platforms like Reddit.

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>>13154774
If you can't admit that Memerson is even a slightly higher tier intellectual that those youtubers you're just dishonest.
And nobody is listening to any of those midwit entertainers for "facts". They want stories, ideas, political narratives... Facts are just a tool at best. There are no honest debaters on youtube. At least not among any of the popular names. They all have their fanboy clubs to suck patreon bucks from.

>>13154624
t.justin trudeau

>>13154836
>There are no honest debaters on youtube

>>13154774
>No one spends 1500 USD to see contra points debate about a topic that he knows nothing about.

Dog bless kek

>>13154836
It's not necessarily dishonesty. Hanlon's razor and all that. Imagine being young, not having a clear career trajectory, the future is uncertain and you suddenly find an audience that feeds you. Every incentive is lined up so that you do not challenge yourself too much - certainly not to the extent of changing course. The majority of youtubers are creating glorified reaction videos. Recycling poor reactions to X pundit, so that audiences with a particular ideological inclination who hate or love X based on their intuitions, will seek as much confirmation bias as possible.

>>13154774
>Say what you want about lefty youtubers, but at least most of their shit is backed up by facts
hahahahahahahahahahah
Contrapoints video on race is possibly one of the worst collections of falsehoods, omissions and misunderstandings.

>>13152611
I unironically enjoy these channels, but this whole scene tends to have "skimmed Wikipedia"-tier understandings of the ancients. Peter Coffin's fucking "Aristotle thinks you should be half a Nazi" thing had me seething for a week (inb4 "you should be a whole Nazi). Aristotle directly addresses that kind of misconception (in the Nicomachean Ethics), so Peter either didn't read Aristotle or is deliberately misrepresenting him. It killed his credibility for me. PhilosophyTube fucked up Pyrrho pretty hard, but he still holds some weight with me because of other stuff. Natalie's definitely my favorite. Even when she's shitting on Socrates, I find her highly Socratic.

>>13155046
He is socratic within a very narrow set of ideas.

>>13155066
>Socratic
>ideas
LOL!!!!

>>13154701
Don’t bother. Just post truth.

>>13154701
>implying i don't agree with ted
i just hate his insufferable fanbase

>>13154622
>white people
You mean Jews

>>13155046
>It killed his credibility for me.
not the fake gf episode?

>>13152625
>My diarrhea tastes better than your solid shit
might be true, but you're still drinking diarrhea.

Also anyone who thinks Contra passes for a woman needs to get their eyes checked.

>>13155358
What a beautiful and brave woman

>>13155358
If he passed for a woman it wouldn't work. The whole point is to be edgy and contrarian.
>I pretend to be a woman tee hee are you triggered yet

>>13153717
Yeah haha postmodernism doesn't exist at all. It's all just right-wing paranoia. Dude just take antidepressants and don't think about mass immigration. I mean, what difference does it make to you if your neighbours don't share the same values as you or speak the same language? Like, what are you, a bigot?

>>13155358
>that pic
oh no no no aaaaahahahahahaa

>>13154818
I still don't understand what that open mouth basedboy expression is trying to convey. That someone is non threatening?

>>13155358
Now you can hate yourself for being a failure of a man AND a failure of a woman.

>>13155396
There's two parts to it. They think it's fun and quirky and they're so feminized they think it's appropriate for men to act fun and quirky.

>>13155358
Yeah she does. Obviously it's easy if you go at it backwards but normal people who don't obsess over finding trannies everywhere wouldn't think twice.

>>13155426
Normal people would see that and think "What the fuck". The only reason you wouldn't is because you are not normal yourself.

You dont actively have to scan for trannies to see someone who's tall and wide and recognize he's actually a dude.

>>13155396

WOOO!! I AM HAVING FUN!

Are you spergs, really that disconnected from people?

>>13155452
Are you really that disconnected from people that you have that expression when you have fun? And you have to show it to the whole world taking a fucking selfie?

>>13155452
I've never met anyone irl who does that stuff. Making funny faces pretending to be retarded, sure. But not that soi wide gaping mouth thing.

>>13155435
Women come in different sizes and shapes.

>>13155475
>dude women are shaped like linebackers all the time
nah

>>13155475
Yeah and some women have giant cocks. Bigots need to get over it.

>>13155475
tranny cope

>>13155475
You don't pass

>>13152625
All Contra's arguments are one of the following:
>muh feels
>muh consequentialism
She doesn't even engage with the material beyond consequentialism

>>13152690
based anon

I plan to do the same

>>13155536
>she

>>13154257
I bet he fucking hates that picture
>>13154818
Is that the ghost of his male-self behind him?

>>13155552
I bet he hates every picture that isnt taken under very favorable lighting

>>13154836
How is a snakes oils salesman with delusions of grandeur a higher tier intellectual than entertainers who at the very least are self-aware about what they are doing?

>>13155591
Ironic shitposting is still shitposting

>>13155628
Sure but still above unironic shitposting.

>>13152611
>a meme youtube tranny is more intelligent than the entire alt-right
pretty sad.
no wonder even frogposters are starting to abandon the alt-right moniker.

Philosophy Tube is a perfect example of what David Foster Wallace talked about. The more you attempt to be genuine, the less genuine you become. I want to punch that smug fucker in the face sometimes. The purposeful articulation of ones voice to fake emotional stimulation just makes me blindingly angry. The way his voice pauses unnaturally to hit a point home and make us try to feel something while at the same time talking down to us peons about whatever degeneracy of the week is okay. I get it. Sex drugs and rock and roll are fine, but it doesn’t give you moral superiority you fucking faggot.
Contra points tho does a good job at the same fucking thing without making me want to stab someone in the eye because he’s at least genuine, even if her entire production value is a lie.

>>13152625
based and redpilled

>>13155659
>The more you attempt to be genuine, the less genuine you become. I want to punch that smug fucker in the face sometimes.
This but unironically. I've never finished a video of his. Better wait for some video essays of my undergrad bro cuckphilosophy.

>>13152611
I wasn't aware of transexuals until much later in life maybe 13-14.
Learned people could love the same sex as well only at the age of eleven.
Some guy I knew since kindergarten transitioned at some point in middle school, didn't give it too much thought.
Maybe I found it funny.

Fast forward.
Then I got in contact with 4chan...
Browsed mainly r9k, do I even know to say more ?
I digged the sad boy aesthetic, thought that was the place.
Browse for like a year, leave like a porn addicted friendless mongoloid .
Jack off so often I found everything boring, try tranny porn, sort of works.
Maybe it's just the thrill of a kind of pornography I thought was unusual or even depraved.
Reach the point when even I imagine even effeminate guy as a sexual fantasy.
Eventually the porn addiction becomes too much to bear, get a hold of myself.


Drop porn for months, eventually get back toto masturbating, only to regualar porn, all feels normal.

From time to time I think about that time, about what a degenerate I was and cringe, feel contempt, even get panic attacks.

It's hell, I regret it so much.
This site, pornography ... I resent it all.

>>13155591
How is he a "snale oils salesman".
Also, read Map of Meaning.

>>13155358
Everyone has a bad photo ones in a while

>>13152611
the only thing more embarrassing to philosophy than these two is the school of life and that faggot peter coffin

>>13155591
He's pretty good at psychology. What are those youtubers good at?

>>13152649
I agree, he's so fucking insufferable and high on his own farts

>>13152611
I don't get trans fetish.
Women can do wathever they can do and more.

>>13155536
I've not seen all her vids, but I've seen her discussing at least two other philosophers not associated with consequentialism. She uses Kierkegaard's analysis of Shakespeare in a vid on pick-up artists (one of the earlier vids), and part of her argument on gender-pronouns is based on Wittgenstein's analysis of language as use. Additionally, I think I read somewhere that she got the idea of discussing phrenology in the video on incels from Hegel.

So check yourself before you wreck yourself

>>13155775
Crash Course and anyone who posts in r/philosophy as well.
>American genocide when

>>13152611
But contra got beat in an argument with marxist feminists over gender performativity.

>>13155725
I wish I never found this place

Remember you’re here forever

>>13155818
And Cuck Philosophy proved himself a clueless know nothing on a podcast not too long ago.

>>13155552
That was a nice picture of her, can't see what you're seeing

>>13155818
What the fuck is gender performativity

>>13155756
>Map of Meaning
Literally don't. The dude has no training in history or mythology--he misreads and interprets stories with absolutely no thought to the historical scholarship, and instead pushes his unfalsifiable archetype drivel, which, by the way, is quite different than his actual cited scientific output, which is mostly about the efficacy of Big-5 personality tests. The man has zero expertise in the things he talks about. He's a pseud, and it's *obvious* he's a pseud to anyone who has basic training in scientific writing.

>>13155805
>check yourself before you wreck yourself
Gross

>>13155831
That your gender comes from how you act. Marxist feminists said this was absurd and idealist and that gender comes from material conditions (like what labour perform) and she wouldn't (or couldn't) answer it.

>>13155834
Do you have an exemple of him doing so from MoM?

>>13154818
imagine you're sitting there at the table with them, eating potato salad and trying to ignore their banal twitter vocabulary, when suddenly you hear this blasting at you from all angles as a pickup truck rages onto the table, barely missing you but tires still embedded with viscera

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5xPBc2E4EI

>>13155818
>>13155828
links?

>>13155818
Same. I'd just be happier .
Friends, Girls, a well lived youth, I lost it all.
For what.. ?

>>13155834
In other words, he's a psychologist. Motherfuckers are still working in a pre-kantian framework, it's embarrassing.

>>13155845
>gender comes from labour performance
that's might be even dumber than Contra's points

>>13155852
Wyrd signal on soundcloud

>>13155818
Contra is a joke when discussing feminist topics because she's was a fucking man for almost the entirety of her life.

>>13155852
https://medium.com/@alysonescalante/how-contrapoints-misunderstands-gender-bd833cc6d8c8
Its a fucking long read though.

>>13155858
Its not if you think about it for even two seconds.

>>13155845
Oh.
So material condition imply biology, right?

>>13155828
Hmmmm literally who cares about a fucking undergrad saying shit?

>>13155784
Given his failure to use that knowledge to improve what he says on other topics, it's irrelevant. Ben Carson is a fucking neurosurgeon and that doesn't stop him from saying dumb shit either. Contra is decent at directing, who cares.

>>13155866
No really, it's fucking retarded.

>>13155872
No. Marxism isn't bio-essentialist, material conditions means the physical world and its systems and laws.

>>13155884
>material conditions means the physical world and its systems and laws.

But biology is part of that. I'm confused.

>>13155818
That sounds like the least interesting debate of all time.

>>13155890
You won't be confused when I'm jizzing down your throat you dumb trad

>>13155876
So he said some questionable things on topics he's not familiar with.
Doesn't change the fact that he's intellectually superior to youtube entertainers.

>>13155894
Isn't that the joy of philosophy? Hour long debates over minuscule shit no one else would even think about.

>>13155884
So you dont believe in bio-essentialism for animals either? If you do, then why do you believe bio-essentialism doesnt apply to humans but does apply to animals? Why should we be exempt from bio-essentialism?

>>13155874
That's preciselty my point

>>13155907
In his field of study, which is great and all and pretty fucking irrelevant when discussing the muh philosophy side. You seriously underestimate just HOW dumb intelligent people can be outside of their niche.

>>13155358
contrapoints is so femenine she could probably beat me up and break my jaw in a fight

>>13155890
Its kinda hard for me to find the words to explain it properly, so I might not be the best source, but basically society and the people in it reflect the material world. Its not denying biology exists, but that gender is a structure designed to enforce who does what labour in society.

>>13155894
That's the left in general. I think that's why they engage in polemics, to make it less boring.

>>13155911
Not him but our level of consciousness allows us to look past a lot of it.

>>13155909
I think philosophy is for finding truth and living a good life in accordance with it. There's nothing philosophical about a debate between two ridiculous and reductionist viewpoints. It's sophistry.

>>13155917
The thing is Contra was almost an philosophy Phd. She should be held to higher standards than undergrads reading stuff for the first time.

>>13155923
I disagree. Most of philosophy is LARPing bullshit so you don't need to be well-read or understand much in this domaine to be good.

>>13155932
It really doesnt, since most of our attitudes and decisions are still made subconsciously.

>>13155911
The difference between humans and animals is that humans can imagine something and then labour to make it. Animals, outside of some small excepts that are inconsequential, can't.

>>13155945
Citazion needed.

>>13155941
Contra makes the lowest imaginable use of her knowldge .
Making young jack offs feels less guilty about masturbating to/fucking trannies.

>>13155967
Deluded anthrocentricity detected.

>>13154257
The girl right of Vsauce and left of Egoraptor is a cutie.

>>13153681
s e e t h i n g
oh, and btw, have sex

>>13155977
How is it anthropocentric? I'm not saying animals don't exist or something, I'm saying that's the difference.

Trannies are fetishists who got carried away with it.

>>13155967
No you can't. For example, the people you are attracted to are largely biologically determined. You cannot 'labour' into being attracted to someone whom you find absolutely repulsive. You can try as hard as you want, but you'll never succeed.

>>13155999
What does this have to do with anything?

>>13155845
Both wrong. Gender is simply the expression of sex. Make of that what you will. In other words, a useless Anglo (not exclusively) category.

>>13154352
muh appeal to tradition

>>13155978
1. That's not vsauce
2. She's a slut who aborted her child and made a documentary about her feelings on it

>>13155999
That's a pretty extreme example though.

Also there are drugs.

>>13156003
You said "humans can imagine something and then labour to make it" and i retorted to saying that humans, in fact, cannot imagine and labour everything, such as very fundamental concepts of attraction and social interaction.

>>13155999
Attitudes toward whats attractive change all the time.

>You cannot 'labour' into being attracted to someone whom you find absolutely repulsive
That's not what its saying. Its saying what's attractive is comes from the way labour is organized in society.

>>13155989
Animals imagine and create stuff with massive impact on a daily basis. You just choose to not pay attention and say "tee hee animals are sooo dumb :))"

>>13156022
It's also a very important example, since things like friendship, love, and other social interactions are some of the most important aspects of human existence. Without them, you're just a worthless loser on an image board whose corpse wont be found until 2 months after you killed yourself.

>>13155999
>You cannot 'labour' into being attracted to someone whom you find absolutely repulsive.
It's not unheard for women to become attracted to and genuinely start loving people who kidnap, rape, and torture them. Of course it's not intentional on the woman's part but why wouldn't it possible to will that same sort of love towards an initially unattractive man?

>>13156026
>babies can already determine what's attractive and what is not
>but yeah it's totally because of labour, not something innate
I bet you think the Venus of Willendorf was a beauty-object as well.

>>13156020
>She's a slut who aborted her child and made a documentary about her feelings on it
Unironically hot.
>>13156025
I'm not that guy. I was just confused by what you meant. Marx point was that human labor is different than animal labor since humans can plan/design before production. He never said you can labor someone into being attracted to you.

>>13156031
Those people are usually already attractive. It only proves that attractiveness is something innate, and that 'labour' or actions have no say in it.

>>13156041
Attractive isn't usually the first thing that comes to my mind when I think of rapists, kidnappers, and torturers.

>>13156051
That's not what i said. I said that you have attractive people who are nonetheless kidnappers and murderers who get love from females because theyre attractive, despite their horrible actions.
Women arent really rational creatures.

>>13155999
Thats where you're wrong.
With enough training you can condition even your basal impulses

>>13156072
Its also not true and you have no evidence for that
Stockholm syndrome isn't exclusive to Chads retard

>>13156073
But the stimuli to which you might respond with attraction are biologically determined.
>>13155999
Don't bother. You've gone down his rabbit hole, but you shouldn't have accepted the premise that gender has something to do with 'labour'. Even if you were to accept that 'labour' (social conditioning/manipulation) can determine attractiveness independently from biology, it still doesn;t follow that gender has anything to do with that.

Oliver is a failed actor and its inherently obvious why

>>13156080
It's not necessary that.

People often see murderers as tragic characters who need someone to put them on the right path. Besides it's kinda rebellious too. Add how women are conditioned to see themselves as supporting characters for some man's story and the attraction for murderers is almost given.

>>13156029
That's instinctive though, they can't choose make things like we can. Animals change through a dialectic in natural selection, human society changes through a dialectic with the mode of production.

>>13153170
COntrapoints had vocal cord surgery, it sounds awful and she can't project her voice as much as she used to. I feel bad for her because shes never gonna pass no matter what she does, she'll always look like a horrendous hon

>>13156112
>she

What is with the right wing butthurt on /lit/ towards lefty YouTube and ChapoTrapHouse

>>13153534
He's a complete charlatan, contrapoints at least shows competence and impression of an academic foundation. This guy is just a narcissistic meathead who seriously calls himself a "renegade philosopher"

>>13156130
Did you miss when /pol/ started to spill over to normal boards?

>>13156082
Labour litteraly determine sexyness for women.

>>13155046
Nobody respects Peter Coffin, he's desperate to be rehabilitated by these left youtubers and its so obvious they want nothing to do with him. Last time someone criticised for his misuse of marxist technical terminnolgy and he lost his shit, he is legitimately insane

>>13156166
It's placement in social hierarchy. I get that you mean civilisation, but I guess you could've called fucking up cavemen labour. But yes, "labour" is a factor in attaining your rank on the social ladder. One could say that the pre-conditions for conducting effective labour within that context are (partly) biologically determined though. Again, though. What does all of this have to do with fucking gender?

>>13156171
Having a fragile ego isn't insanity.

>>13156130

I'm willing to bet a large section of /lit/ listen to chapo. I think there is more butthurt among these left youtubers who default to labelling irreverent dirtbag lefties as bigots. Shaun refuses to listen to any Chapo clips because he thinks they're transphobic

>>13156190
Making up a fake girlfriend has to indicate something

>>13155046
>>13156171
A lot of these "left" tubers fundamentally get things wrong because they're not marxists, or are but don't understand marxism. A lot of them are just general leftists, which isn't very useful.

>>13156198
Was that even confirmed 100%? Could just be someone fucking with him. I don't trust his ass but the evidence I recall was far from foolproof too.

>>13152611
>calls himself philosophy tube
>videos are about alt right and shit
what did he mean by this?

>>13156194
>he thinks they're transphobic
That's weird, because Chapo seem to be fully on the liberal SJW train when it comes to these issues.

>>13156216
Most of them are "professional" videogame streamers that wanted to "diversify" their careers. It's truly sad how low the standards are for online discourse

>>13155351
>not the fake gf episode
What? He literally has a big-tittied wife?

>>13156221
It's extremely unlikely Peter Coffin is telling the truth.

>>13156242
Well true, but then the reason they're popular is because they're fun, whereas Marxist videos often aren't unless you're already interested and know a bit. There's also the hostility, marxists aren't the nicest to each other and different tendencies often attack each other with polemics, which isn't a very nice environment if you want to be entertained.

>>13156224
Not sufficiently for youtube intellectuals

>>13156253
No arguing with that. But it's not like the source for the rumours is really trustworthy either.
And sure, he seems like the type of person who'd do that but hey, still not 100% confirmed.

>>13156254
Huh? The disagreement and controversy are the entertainment tho? Nobody wants to watch some boring and inoffensive political discussions.

I actually kind of like Marx but I can't stand Marxists. They are legitimately some of dumbest cunts in the world.

>>13156286
>baiting with vague stuff
Anon, I

>>13156305
What the hell you talking about with vague stuff? I shared an opinion. Do you expect everyone to write an essay every time they do that?

>>13155848
This task is somewhat time consuming because Peterson jumps around a lot, but here are some characterizations of the Enuma Elish:

>Creation myths are generally considered primitive or superstitious attempts to perform
the magic of modern science. We assume that our ancestors were trying to do the same
thing we do when we construct our cosmological theories and describe the generation of
the objective world. This presumption is wrong...The world brought into being in archaic myths of creation is
phenomenological, rather than material—it includes all aspects of experience, including
those things we now regard as purely subjective.

>...

>The original “children of Tiamat and Apsu”—the “elder gods”—should therefore be
regarded as embodiments of the archaic transpersonal intrapsychic phenomena that give
rise to human motivation, as well as those aspects of the objective world that activate
those intrapsychic systems. The Sumerians considered themselves destined to “clothe and
feed” such gods, because they viewed themselves as the servants, in a sense, of what we
would call instinctive forces, “elicited” by the “environment.”

Now check Peterson's own references on this subject. From "The Babylonian Genesis" by Alexander Heidel:

>Yet, Enuma Elish is not primarily a creation story at all.
>...
>As it is, there can be no doubt that, in its present form, Enuma elish is first and foremost a literary monument in honor of Marduk as the champion of the gods and the creator of heaven and Earth. Its prime object is to offer cosmological reasons for Marduk's advancement from the position as chief god of Babylon to that of Head of the entire Babylonian pantheon.
>...
>Next to the purpose of singing the praises of Marduk comes the desire, on the part of the Babylonian priests, who were responsible for composition of this epic, to sing the praises of Babylon, the city of Marduk, and to strengthen her claim to supremacy over all the cities of the land... It was further supported by tracing Babylon's origin back to the very beginnings of time and by attributing her foundation to the great Annuski themselves, who built babylon as a dwelling place for Marduk and the gods in general. Our epic is thus not only a religious treatise but also a political one.

So Peterson's own sources (actual scholars of history) claim that the story serves explicitly as a piece of political propaganda, yet Peterson takes the entire thing at face value and examines it as a representation of a universal unconscious without even mentioning that, by the way, it might have also been intentionally created to consolidate political power.

Imagine if some psychologist from the deep future took a Dinesh D'Souza documentary to be a representation of deep psychological truths that the people of our time embodied, without mentioning what the actual purpose of the film was. That is what Peterson does.

>>13153681
based