/lit/ - Literature

The Bible, My Diary, Huxley (Fuck Orwell)

I don´t get it

>>13151370
nobody wants to read fiction anymore since cinema became the superior medium for those fairytale stories. The comic predicted this.

The Technological Society

>Planet of the Apes
Did he run out of books or something?

>>13151388
Then why she reading fiction?

>>13151418
she is throwing them out, obviously.

>>13151414
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_of_the_Apes_(novel)

>>13151434
I had no idea
Still, it's not exactly dystopic fiction in the same vein as the rest of those books, unless there's a racist slant I'm not getting

>>13151370
Chuck's fuck and suck

Joseph Schumpeter's Capitalism, Socialism, and Democracy. :3

The Machine Stops did it before all of them.

>>13151347
Lmao, Planet of The Apes.
I think The far right would agree on that point.

>>13151400
I am reading this now and although it is worth a read he is wildly off with many predictions. His prediction that economic planning would completely supplant market economics is hilariously off base.

>>13151446
Predicted rule by niggers

Generations by Strauss & Howe has its flaws, but it was written in 1991 and has turned out to be pretty insightful.

>>13151446
>Still, it's not exactly dystopic fiction
Humans have regressed to an animalistic state and their civilization has collapsed, how is that not dystopic?

>>13151432
aha, i am still not convinced.

>>13151465
I meant to say it's not exactly reflective of anything in the modern day like the other books are. You could argue humans are regressing but we're not being taken over by another species

>>13151347
Book of Revelation

>>13151388
>cinema became the superior medium for those fairytale stories
weak bait. Documentaries are unironically superior mediums for nonficiton while prose fiction will always reign supreme in the realm of "fairytale stories", whatever the fuck that means

>>13151370
The only reading she is doing is on books that have been adapted to movies/TV shows (fiction). She's more interested in the story and its place in culture than its meaning and commentary on culture.

>>13151461
Do not mistake a brief interregnum for the end of history, friend

>>13151477
fair enough. I don't remember how the humans fuck everything up in Planet of the apes

>>13151347
>'Planet Of The Apes' because in Planet Of The Apes the world is now overrun with apes.
Dare I say, redpilled.

>>13151347

>>13151347
>Planet of the Apes
we live in a society

>read a novel based on social-political events, which was commenting on what was happening at the time
>something vaguely similar happens at some later point in the future
>"What the fuck, someone wrote a whole novel about something like this! How could this have happened? Didn't that entire nation read that one novel and adjust their behaviors and values in accordance with my interpretation of the author's ideas?"

>Planet of the Apes

>>13151464
>Boomer
>vision, values, religion
Literally what? Boomers sacrificed values and religion on the altar of capitalism.

>>13151347
>clockwork orange

>>13151370
Trump made the famous dystopian novels real.

Jordan Washyourpeterson

I know Stand On Zanzibar by John Brunner did a good job:
>set in 2010, earth's population is 7 billion
>China becomes an industrial superpower
>Massive corporations control cities
>"book-sized" computers that are far stronger than anything in 1968
>digital avatars
>polarized politics
>inexplicable mass murders

>>13151347
Industrial Society and Its Future

REALLY MAKES YOU THINK

>>13151347
>>13151916
Powerful.

>>13151775

Unfettered capitalism IS one of the values of a certain type of Boomer. The key trait of the Idealist peer personality (they only call it Prophet later on; I like the earlier classifications which don't sound like a D&D game) is certitude of one's own righteousness, an unwavering belief in one's chosen values. (Whether you're Christian fundamentalist, free market acolyte, new age hippie, secular progressive, etc.) Part of the reason the country is so polarized right now is because we're being led by Boomers. Idealists catalyze crises and lead the country through them.

>>13151347
1984 is a pleb answer but damn it, it's true.

>>13151370
She's moving them from fiction to nonfiction.

Bruce Bethke's Headcrash made some interesting predictions amongst its more modest elements. The more outlandish elements are still yet to be seen IRL.

>>13151446
https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/chinese-scientists-insert-human-brain-gene-monkeys-spark-ethical-debate-ncna998076

>>13151370
Cow tools.

>>13151916
Fuck, we live in a society...

>>13151347
That pic is missing the only one that matters.

>>13151370
capitalism has destroyed genre fiction, theres no demand for non-historical/biographical literature so she's throwing them away. it's a pro-capitalist comic, nobody likes genreshit

Decline of the West. Predicting the next 200 years was pretty ambitious of Oswald Spengler, but it all holds true so far.

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>>13151347
>planet of the apes
redpilled as fuck

>>13153219
What the fuck is this even supposed to mean

>>13152749
This is the answer.

>>13152749
Holy fuck unbelievable it took so long for someone to post the actual meaning of the comic.
The absolute state of /lit/.

>>13153360
SPOON-FEED ME FASTER YOU STUPID INTELLIGENT PEOPLE

>>13151347
Yeah, Planet of the apes is becoming reality LMFAO

Lord of the World. It's public domain by now.
https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/14021
>He stood a moment or two at the door after his wife had gone, drinking in reassurance from that glorious vision of solid sense that spread itself before his eyes: the endless house-roofs; the high glass vaults of the public baths and gymnasiums; the pinnacled schools where Citizenship was taught each morning; the spider-like cranes and scaffoldings that rose here and there; and even the few pricking spires did not disconcert him. There it stretched away into the grey haze of London, really beautiful, this vast hive of men and women who had learned at least the primary lesson of the gospel that there was no God but man, no priest but the politician, no prophet but the schoolmaster.

>>13153219
made me lol

>>13151347
Nietzsche was right about everything in all of his books after Birth of Tragedy

>>13152749
>>13153342
>>13153360
But that's not what the comic means. It's clearly about people reading less and less and a the bookstore going broke.

This is the dumbest board on the site at the moment

>>13151347
I'm confused. When people type "we live in a society" are they cheekily critiquing said society, or are they making fun of the people who do?

>>13151370
It's a critique of feminism in the workplace.

>>13153864
The latter.

>>13151859
>Trump
Why do you think planet of the apes is on the stack

>>13151775
well correct
they worship capital, the free market is their religion and the bank is their temple

>>13151370
Jews did 9/11

>>13151916
but I can download free books with free wifi, it's like 2 in 1

>>13151916
Uhm... Women love WiFi?

>>13151370
Jeez, you dumb/lit/s. They are clearly throwing the BOOKS away because they don't have EYES to read them.

>>13151347
>mfw Brave New World is literally an ideal situation

>>13151347
nostredamus' diary, desu

>>13154262
Please, give me your take on Mr. Savage.

>>13151347
That guy, Quasimodo. I think he predicted a lot of this problems you know the Middle East, end of the world...

>>13151347

algorithms

>>13154294
He was too hung up on old fashioned and arbitrary morals. While yes things like god, art, literature, and suffering are important for a life worth living, in his situation if I had to pick between living with disease and misery on a reservation or being high on soma and fucking a new bitch every night I'm inclined to choose the latter.

>>13151347
The part of thus spoke zarathustra where he talks about the last human beings.

>>13153541
Its just a dumb illustration
>american "muhmour"

>>13152749
So Fahrentheit 451 became real, but they still have books?
DOUBT IT

>>13154415
The whole point of book burning being accepted is that people stopped reading altogether and instead watched interactive TV

>>13154456
No, the cartoonist ist just as dumb as the people he wants to criticize

>>13153541
>SPOON-FEED ME
you are spoon fed every time you read a nonfiction book

>>13154479
>you are spoon fed every time you read a nonfiction book
>americans actually believe this

>>13151370
Means that women have terrible reading taste and are weak.

>>13151347
>Planet of the apes is becoming real
kinda racist innit

>>13151370
Sneed

>>13151452
Only good response ITT.

>>13154240
Never seen a more appropriate use for this picture

>>13154323
I mean unless you're an incel. Did any dystopias mention incels?

The writing is shitty, yet its ideas rouse my clitty

>>13153864
whatever is the most contrarian stance at any given moment

>>13151859
Cringe bro

Nineteen Eighty-Four
Brave New World
The Time Machine

>>13151347
For me personally, either No Longer Human, Notes From the Underground or Crime and Punishment

>>13153219
based alert

>>13154946
>I mean unless you're an incel
People in BNW are basically genetically and socially conditioned to not be incels and have sex, the closest to being an incel is Bernard Marx but even he gets to smash that fine Lenina booty.

>>13151347
Da Bible

>>13151411
Did they predict 1989?

>>13155003
>Nineteen Eighty-Four
I know it sonds "critical high-schooler"-tier, but... THIS.

>>13155182
I don't mean we're any philosophers incels, I mean did anyone mention them as a phenomenon

>>13151347
>>13153219

>>13151347
>>13153219

>>13151370
shes taking them to the bin

B R A A P

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>>13151347
Carlyle. Not that /lit/ is high iq enough to understand him.

>>13155720
women live in your head rent free

>>13153864
Both

>>13154240
They're just Asian.

>>13151347
my diary desu
allow me to transcribe the last entry:
>then i posted in /lit/ and got dubs

>>13151448
The only correct interpretation.

>>13151457
Based and Forsterpilled

>>13151347
It wasn't meant to be an instruction manual!

>>13156588
Nice

>>13156588

>>13151411

Unironically.

>>13156588
based alert

>>13151464
>Our astrology is the best, instead of a day like the west or a year like the east, whole decades of people are the same!

>>13154965
>have a thing for precocious young girls
The vision of the future is weird. Except for the neoVictorians sometimes they seem based.

>>13151347
120 days of Sodom
how degenerate we would and did become

>>13158090

Comparing sociological theories to astrology is such classic brainlet behaviour. Stars aren't historical trends. And they never claim whole decades worth of people are the same. You should read the book, you will learn something.

>>13158216
You should learn more about p-hacking and the replication crisis in the soft sciences. Beyond that generational theory uses the same weasely vague language as astrology that's why the comparison is so apt.

>>13151347

De Tocqueville's Democracy in America described the character and tensions of American society. It made concrete predictions which proved to be true (and for the reasons stated), particularly the American Civil War. When it was assigned to me in university, the professor heavily stressed that it was an extremely prescient book, one of the most prescient books in history.

"Tocqueville's work is often acclaimed for making a number of astute predictions. He anticipates the potential acrimony over the abolition of slavery that would tear apart the United States and lead to the American Civil War as well as the eventual superpower rivalry between the United States and Russia, which exploded after World War II and spawned the Cold War... According to Tocqueville, democracy had some unfavorable consequences: the tyranny of the majority over thought, a preoccupation with material goods, and isolated individuals." -Wikipedia

>>13156588
Most based post in this shit thread

>>13154262
Yea. Huxley pretends to lament the loss of freedom, but honestly individual freedom and liberty (especially for those without capital) is a historical anomaly. It was never going to be compatible with the future.

And the fact that there is even an island of free thinkers in BNW for true alphas and ubermensch like Helmholtz to go to just confirms it as a utopia

>>13151517
Based and redpilled

Literally predicts Russian communism, World War I, and the Great Depression at minimum a decade (i.e. 1903) before WW1.

>>13151347
>The Road
wut.

How could anyone, with any political views whatsoever, consider this an accurate description of reality?

>>13151517
>>13159426
>da joo did it

No, predicting does not mean carpet bombing every question with the same answer and explaining every twist and turn as a conspiracy. Fuck off.

>thinking The Trial is about authoritarianism and not the persecution complex of an narcissistic sex pervert jew

>>13159906
this came out sounding negative. i love the trial and Kafka is one of my favorite authors.

The Plot Against South Africa. Realizing it was written before Mandela a quarter through was a big shock
(it's also a favorite book of mine)

>>13153652
You're low iq if serious

>>13151370
ORANGE MAN BAD

>>13151363
>Huxley (Fuck Orwell)
based

>>13154410
muhmour? I do not understand.

>>13154479
>tries to be witty.
>does not even understand the metaphor.

>>13151363
Orwell was wrong but I still loved 1984

>>13151363
1984 is better than BNW lol

>>13153652
no it's just about cow tools

>>13152721
Boomers are the opposite of idealists you fucking moron. They are the generation that had it so fucking good they sat back and did literally NOTHING to preserve the institutions and values that propped up the greatness in the first place. They are ANTI-idealists. Everything is fine so long as I just have my beer in my comfortable quickly-disappearing white suburban neighborhood.

Their complete and utter lack of reason or logic for anything created a spiritual and cultural vacuum where anything that was of previous authentic value (marriage, patriarchy, military spirit, etc) could just be coopted as values of degenerate and worthless boomers.

The idealist generation is really the generation born between 1985-2000 or so; those who still experienced a world free from 24/7 dopamine simulation and constant ‘interconnectedness’. See radical SJWs, feminists, etc - disgusting and pathetic as they are, they are still apparently passionate about something. Other side of the coin is European nationalists, conscious pro-Europeans, pessimists, ecofascists etc, who have ZERO power or authority in the west. But at least they are passionate about something and believe in an ideal.

This generation is going to utterly and completely fail in all of its ideals. SJWs will soon find that their ‘utopia’ is based on extreme lies. Europeans will find that they are utterly powerless against the million different weapons targeting virtuous and virile European identity and self-consciousness.

Each generation will increasingly become more nihilistic, more hedonistic, more incapable of living authentically - they only action, virtue, or even vice will be what they see in fantasies on a screen.

WE ARE UTTERLY FUCKED AND THERE IS NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT IT FML

>>13151347
Decline of the West
>>13151370
You consume fiction once and then forget about it, useless knowledge, non fiction stays with you forever

>>13151347
Literally none of them since the prophet Daniel.
The closest is bloody Jules Verne who managed to imagine all sorts of contraptions that will become common a few decades after without ever going into meme whacky technology.

>>13151477
>we're not being taken over by another species
we aren't?

>>13160816
Species is not as distinct as most hope. I mean there might be some chance of fertile offspring from chimpanzees. As we diverged 5-7 million years ago, and lions and tigers did 4-6 million. Horses and zebra similarly. They can but usually don't try to interbreed though.

>>13156588
So your diary was fiction before?

>>13151461
you live in a society of transnational corporations, central banks, and trade treaty superstates and you still think that market economics beat out economic planning?

>>13161466
Yes. Planning has certainly been incorporated but market economies are still dominant. China went from complete planning to a great degree of liberalization. The economy of today and the future is certainly a mixed type. No leading economy today is planned to the degree that the Soviet Union was when Ellul was writing The Technological Society, and yet he predicts that economic technique coupled with planning will be so powerful that all societies will be bound to follow their lead. This did not happen.

>>13151347

>>13151347
1984

>>13160056
sounds and looks fashy. what's it about?

>>13162427
i know this is a meme but it unironically did

>>13156503

They live in my ASS.

>>13161632
this but unironically (unironically)

>>13159909
Who diesn't love a narcissistic jew sex pervert ?

t. narcissistic jew sex pervert

The Merciful Stythe by John Osbiston but you may not be able to get it in this timeline.

>>13160627
Despair is the ultimate vice.

>>13160627
>SJWs will soon find that their ‘utopia’ is based on extreme lies.
You seriously overestimate those guys and their commitment to truth.

>>13151347
Mein Kampf.

>>13152743
>>13162427
This.

>>13152721
Did you just imply that a capitalist could be a christian in anything other than name only?

>>13151347
1984 predicted the future of war as a way to divert attention from the establishment's shittery. Orwell was a genius.