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Bourgeois ideologies don't advocate the subjugation and abolition of the bourgeois class
Marxism does this
Therefore Marxism is not a bourgeois ideology

>>13147352
Of course it is.

>>13147352
Die he really tweet this?

>Outsideness liked

>>13147352
How about proof that burgeoning socialism is driven by well off whites instead of the well documented demographic transformation? Retarded kike with his 8 year old talking point.

>>13147352
What does it even matter? That alone wouldn't prove or disprove it's merit.

>>13147360
Yes they do. Just like whites are behind white genocide; white racists are behind affirmative action; atheists are behind the resurgence of fundamentalist Islam; Georgians are behind Russian Eurasianist Geopolitics and so on and so forth... So does Marxism, which advocates the abolition of religion and the destruction of the "bourgeise" was born out of misplaced religious sentiment among university students, intellectuals and other bourgeise.

>>13147368
Kek, the absolute state of OP

>>13147360
>Bourgeois ideologies don't advocate the subjugation and abolition of the bourgeois class
wrong.
Name 1 (one) Marxist thinker who isn't bourgeoisie

>>13147385
Me

>>13147375
White genocide isn't real, affirmative action isn't racist, atheists are among the most islanphobic groups (see OP and Dawkins)
Your entire worldview is based on contradiction, conspiracy and magical thinking, so you can derive whatever you want
You're hopeless

>>13147360
lmao read Foucault

>>13147388
t. nigger with zero data

>>13147385
Fisher.

>>13147391
t. retard who doesn't understand what a credible source is

>>13147360
>what is the dictatorship of the proletariat
You mean to tell me that all the narcissistic DSA fags on Twitter, who champion their “class consciousness”/“intersectionality” or whatever, think they are of equal value to the average lumpenprole? Do you how much they go out of their way to shit on the average worker? These people don’t want true communism, they just want a change in rulership, in their favor.

>>13147388
Imagine being this delusional

>>13147396
Intersectionality crap is basically anti-communist. By pretending all power structures are as (or more) important than class, and working to abolish those power structures in place of abolishing class, you only increase the capacity of money power and capital to control society.

>>13147352
goddamn abruti de trou du cul you're 80 years late.

anglos and third worlders will actually engage with the OP, and call themselves 'advanced countries'. Only advanced countries in the world are France and Iran.

>>13147394
Are you retarded? Present your data or kill yourself. You made several affirmations, back them up. You can find which religious groups and ethnicities hold the most hostile attitudes toward Islam, and we can look at demographic projections for virtually any country we want. There's not a single institution that denies demographic projections for whites point to political displacement. This is happening due to the sheer volume of migration, exacerbated by native birthrates. Affirmative action is necessarily "racist" if it's implementation is contingent on race, especially in regard to zero-sum resources (slots for training, employment, etc).

You are a very dumb nigger and should fuck off back to plebbit

>>13147409
Communism was just an expression of Russian nationalism, the same way Mao was to China, and Bolshevism to the Jews. I'm not denigrating or using "nationalism" as a pejorative here, I'm just saying when implemented, these systems end up being sleeves for ethnic/regional/linguistic domination and expansion.

>>13147435
>Judeo-Bolshevism
hi /pol/

>>13147352
based

>Marxist critique is only a critique of capital deriving from the depths of the middle class and the petites bourgeoisies, which Marxism has served for a century with latent ideology: critique of exchange-value but exaltation of use-value, critique therefore at the same time of what still created the almost delirious grandeur of capital and of what remains in it of secularized religion: investment at any price, even at the price of use-value. The Marxist seeks a good use of the economy. The Marxist critique is therefore restricted, petite-bourgeoisie, another step in the banalization of life toward the “good use” of society! Bataille, on the other hand, sweeps this whole slave dialectic away from an aristocratic point of view, from that of the master gripped by his death. One could present this perspective as pre- or post-Marxist. In any case, Marxism is only the disenchanted horizon of capital—everything that precedes Marxism or follows it is more radical than Marxism.
(Jean Baudrillard)

>>13147388
based faggot.
kill yourself epic style to own the libz

>>13147422
Not him, but
>There's not a single institution that denies demographic projections for whites point to political displacement. This is happening due to the sheer volume of migration, exacerbated by native birthrates.
This doesn't prove "white genocide", but at best "native genocide". Poor people are migrating to rich countries and those happen to be mostly white.

>>13147455
Is it wrong though?

>>13147485
Yes, as are all /pol/ conspiracy theories

>>13147484
But that is just a retarded word game, there is no difference between "natives of predominantly white countries genocide" and "white genocide", it's just twisting words.

It's like saying "the Holocaust wasn't a genocide of the Jews, it was a genocide of predominantly Jewish people who were inhabiting Territories occupied by Nazi Germany", just a distinction without a difference.

>>13147485
Nope

>>13147480
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery that mediocrity can pay to greatness

>>13147484
*Invading

>>13147504
Not him, but 'genocide' is the problem term in the phrase 'white genocide'. Not because of it's exact definition, but because it's a loaded word which has come to imply that:
A) A crime or injustice is being committed
B) The act is being intentionally committed by one group of people on another.

The truthfulness of A) is subjective, and B) is clearly false.

>>13147504
>But that is just a retarded word game
No.
The "white genocide" story usually means (or at least many people interpret it that way) that there's a deliberate plan to target white countries or at least that it only affects white countries, even if there's no plan.

That's misleading. The more accurate assessment is that developed countries have adopted a neo-liberal outlook where GDP and "permanent economic growth" are sacred cows and they're willing to sacrifice their ethnic makeup for it.

>>13147422
You're so fucking stupid that it's a little unbelievable

>>13147388
>affirmative action isn't racist

East asians are unironically the most oppressed minority group in America, probably because even white liberals can subconsciously realize they pose a legitimate threat.

>>13147484
Comparable Asian nations don't face the same migration levels or imminent demographic death. The wealthy and culturally analogous Gulf-States received none of the migrants. This isn't an inevitability of movement following a pattern centered around wealth diffusion. This is a deliberate progression and speaking out against the policies in place facilitating it leads to censorship at best, harassment and imprisonment at worst.

>>13147491
Even Philo-semite Churhill didn't deny it.

>International Jews.
>In violent opposition to all this sphere of Jewish effort rise the schemes of the International Jews. The adherents of this sinister confederacy are mostly men reared up among the unhappy populations of countries where Jews are persecuted on account of their race. Most, if not all, of them have forsaken the faith of their forefathers, and divorced from their minds all spiritual hopes of the next world. This movement among the Jews is not new. From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany), and Emma Goldman (United States), this world-wide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilisation and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing. It played, as a modern writer, Mrs. Webster, has so ably shown, a definitely recognisable part in the tragedy of the French Revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the Nineteenth Century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire.

>>13147491
>Terrorist Jews.
>There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews. It is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others. With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews. Moreover, the principal inspiration and driving power comes from the Jewish leaders. Thus Tchitcherin, a pure Russian, is eclipsed by his nominal subordinate Litvinoff, and the influence of Russians like Bukharin or Lunacharski cannot be compared with the power of Trotsky, or of Zinovieff, the Dictator of the Red Citadel (Petrograd), or of Krassin or Radek – all Jews. In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more astonishing. And the prominent, if not indeed the principal, part in the system of terrorism applied by the Extraordinary Commissions for Combating Counter-Revolution has been taken by Jews, and in some notable cases by Jewesses. The same evil prominence was obtained by Jews in the brief period of terror during which Bela Kun ruled in Hungary. The same phenomenon has been presented in Germany (especially in Bavaria), so far as this madness has been allowed to prey upon the temporary prostration of the German people. Although in all these countries there are many non-Jews every whit as bad as the worst of the Jewish revolutionaries, the part played by the latter in proportion to their numbers in the population is astonishing.
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Zionism_versus_Bolshevism

>>13147533
>The wealthy and culturally analogous Gulf-States received none of the migrants.
Are you retarded, there are literally millions of Indian worker immigrants in the Gulf-States. 9 Million in Saudi Arabia alone.

>>13147523
I don't like the term "genocide", I think it was stupid for it to be meme'd into consciousness, but it's based on the UN's definition which specifically lists population displacement as qualifying for constituting genocide.

>>13147528
I'm sorry, are you denying the Bolshevism was a jewish movement? What is so stupid about what I wrote?

>>13147491
Why's he wrong?

>>13147523
>>13147525
I don't like the word either, it's pretty stupid. As a talking point it's pretty much clickbait, which really doesn't reflect on the point I tried to make though.

>>13147523
> B) is clearly false
What? Clearly the elites of the countries are doing it in full consciousness of it.
Neglecting to try to raise native birthrates and opening up borders to foreign labour CLEARLY were conscious decision the political elites of certain countries have made.

How is having mixed babies genocide again?

>>13147545
9 million total worker immigrants. Only half are Indian.

>>13147529
>East asians are unironically the most oppressed minority group in America
this

>>13147545
Imported slave labor in Qatar and Saudi Arabia is not the same as inducting millions of foreign people into the fabric of your country you slimy sack of shit.

>>13147533
>Comparable Asian nations don't face the same migration levels or imminent demographic death.
First of all, I'm not sure how true that is. Rich Asian countries are getting decent amounts of immigrants. But because they're mostly other Asians "they all look the same" to you.
Obviously they're mostly Asians, because Africa is too far away. Same reason Germany isn't getting Mexican immigrants, but the US is.
Another reason is cultural and linguistic. Pretty much anyone speaks English, but very few speak, say, Japanese.

>The wealthy and culturally analogous Gulf-States received none of the migrants.
Lies.
Lebanon and Turkey received a ton of Syrians and Iraqis. More than the entire Europe.
Plus the Indian and other immigrants in rich Arab countries, as that anon said.

>>13147553
It's more accurate to call it ethnic displacement.

>>13147557
Do those immigrants not get citizenship?

>>13147557
It's functionally the same thing. Walk down a street in urban Saudi Arabia. What do you see? Hindu shops and signs in Hindi. What do you hear? People speaking Hindi, people who looks like Indians and don't integrate. Just because they aren't citizens doesn't mean they aren't changing the society they live in.

>Philosophy created by factory owners
>Too complex for poor retards to grasp so they have to use simple graphic posters instead to get them riled up
>People who do understand it just use their knowledge of it for status games

Yep, I would say its a bourgeois cognitive-accessory first and foremost.

>>13147385

Talking to you about Marxism is obviously futile seeing as you don’t understand the most fundamental thing about it. Wealth is irrelevant. Ownership of the means of production is the crucial idea. The only Bourgeois Marxist thinker I can think of is Engles. So literally the rest are not Bourgeois.

Althusser
Gramsci
Bloch
Brecht
Lukacs
Harvey
Jameson
Debord
Lefebvre
Stalin
Mao
Che Guevara
Adorno
Benjamin
Pollack
Fromm

>>13147565
>It's more accurate to call it ethnic displacement
Ethnicities aren't spatial, so they can't be displaced

>>13147393
>Fisher earned a Bachelor of Arts degree in English and Philosophy at Hull University (1989) and completed a PhD at the University of Warwick in 1999 titled Flatline Constructs: Gothic Materialism and Cybernetic Theory-Fiction.[2] During this time, Fisher was a founding member of the interdisciplinary collective known as the Cybernetic Culture Research Unit, which were associated with accelerationist political thought and the work of philosophers Sadie Plant and Nick Land.[1][3] There, he befriended and influenced producer Kode9, who would later found the Hyperdub record label.[4] In the early 1990s, he also made music as part of the techno group D-Generation, releasing the 12" Entropy in the UK.[4][5]

Wow, a college student who is good friends with actual entrepreneurs!

Look at how working class his cheap clothes are!

How non-bourgeois!

>>13147572
The carriers of those ethnicities are human bodies, so yes they can.

>>13147551
>What? Clearly the elites of the countries are doing it in full consciousness of it.
>Neglecting to try to raise native birthrates and opening up borders to foreign labour CLEARLY were conscious decision the political elites of certain countries have made.

I agree that the powers that be have actively chosen to go down the route of mass immigration, but I do not believe that they are doing it with ethnic replacement in mind. It is just the easier and cheaper way for a state to grow it's population. Suppose you have a population shortage, why spend a large some of money encouraging native births (and be stuck in your population deficit for a few decades until the babies can join the workforce) when you can get an adult to fill the gap for free right now?

>>13147533
>>13147537
>>13147549
To quote journalist Anna Louise Strong (in The First Time in History: Two Years of Russia's New Life, 1924, pp. 172-173):

>So little is the question [if someone is a Jew or not] raised that I found it hard to discover, in my search for Jews in high posts of government, which persons were of this race and which were not. I asked Trotsky about Jews in the higher branches of state. "There are two of us in the Council of People's Commissars," he said with a smile. "Dovgalevsky, the commissar of Posts and Telegraphs, and myself."—Later, in discussing finance, he corrected himself: "I forgot; there is also Sokolnikoff, Minister of Finance. You see, I never counted them up as Jews before."

>An acquaintance of Dovgalevsky told me later that he was not a Jew, and when I replied that Trotsky said he was, he answered: "Possibly then . . . I didn't know it." There was this difficulty throughout in tracing Jews in government. In the Communist ranks, they are not thought of separately.

>I went through one commissariat after another with Trotsky and checked up the leading men. Agriculture,—he remembered four members of the presidium,—all Russians. Health,—there was Semashko, a Russian, assisted by Soloviof, a Russian. Education,—four Russians and one Jew formed the presidium. The department of National Industries had a collegium of nine; one of them was a Jew.

>In Finance they become suddenly prominent. Sokolnikoff, Commissar of Finance, and several bank presidents and members of banking staff. Yet here also many higher posts were held by Russians working together with Jews. Food, Justice, Social Welfare,—these departments are headed by non-Jews. The State Planning Board is run by Krjijanovsky, a Pole, and the State Railways by Djerjinsky, also a Pole. Thus are all races mixed in the government of Russia.

The "not thought of separately" bit isn't surprising since, to quote one historian (Solomon M. Schwarz, The Jews in the Soviet Union, 1951, p. 93):

>To be sure, a large number of Bolshevik leaders and active party members were of Jewish parentage; but they had been completely assimilated, had no ties with the Jewish masses, neither read nor write Yiddish, and in many cases understood scarcely a word of it. .

>A Commissariat for Jewish National Affairs was established in January 1918, as a special section of the People's Commissariat for National Affairs under Stalin. No Bolsheviks, however, were available to staff the Jewish Commissariat. The Jewish Commissar, Semen M. Dimanshtein, was indeed an old Bolshevik; but he had never been active in the Jewish field, and his sole qualification was his experience in the early Bolshevik campaigns against the "Jewish separatism" of the Bund.

The only prominent jew in the Bolsheviks (who was originaly a Menshevik) was Trotsky and we all know how that ended up

The most fervent defenders of unregulated capitalism on the other hand...

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