/lit/ - Literature

>>13017799
how do you brainlets come up with these retarded questions

>>13017799
You're gonna have to state what you think they have in common. Define your terms.

>>13017799

Nah but it is definitely rooted in deleuze and post modern thought but we see it in Marx and hell In a sense even Adam Smith.
The idea of maximizing economic growth in order to advance society through technology is not a nick land innovation.

>>13017799
>>13017803
same

no, it's the speedy version of postmodernism

>>13017803
from you ok? we learned from watching you

>>13017799
Yes. Read Kaczynski's books.

>>13017803
I'm saying

it's actually right-wing postmo-
wait that's the same thing, fuck me

>>13017799
It's pretty standard Marxism.

>>13017799
Accelerationism is retarded. The fact is people of any political philosophy can use accelerationism as a justification to basically do whatever they want. Like the New Zealand shooter was an accelerationist, so any marxist accelerationist worth their salt should have supported him and his actions. But the problem is that these two ideologies (and almost any other ideology as well) are incompatible. No one can predict the future of a system as complex as society, so shaking the boat and hoping you get to your shore out of 100 shores is short sighted. If you really want to create the best of all possible worlds, just follow your ideology in the present

>>13018025
>the New Zealand shooter was an accelerationist
do you think he was radicalized by Candace Owens too?

>>13018040
Forget I'm specifically talking about the NZ shooter. My point was that a radical right winger can use accelerationism as an excuse for any action, just as a Marxist one can.

https://www.docdroid.net/bbQWHmF/ghostmodernity.pdf

>>13018025
I thought Land's accelerationism was more 'we have no power to control how anything happens'

>>13018040
And regardless, marxist accelerationists should still support them if they really are true to their own beliefs

>>13018057
do you have a point to make though? because you can say that about plenty of religions and philosophies. the bible is used for left and right purposes, some violent too

>>13018062
I'm not familiar with Land specifically, but that kind of sounds like quitter talk, which you can argue quitting is the best option we have, but I don't have a reason to assume it's too late to change the future.

>>13018068
My point is that accelerationism is largely directionless, so how can any supporter of it know what they are really getting? it's basically the lack of a philosophy.

>>13018065
>>13018069
just so we aren't talking past each other, what does accelerationism mean to you?

>>13018069
The way Land describes capital and the coming AI makes it sound like humans are really not consciously directing any of this, and some random people noticing what's happening is not going to change the outcome.

>>13018076
Accelerationism is the belief that the inevitable future of society and humanity can only be achieved only through destabilization of the current system we have today, ergo you should destabilize. However, every single previous revolution which destabilized the old system in favor of a new one had some ideology guiding it. the ideology wan't just the destruction of the system in and of itself.

>>13017799
Accelerationism is a kind of postmodernism that doesn’t take the rejection of metanarratives as an absolute in of itself. It’s less about what is factually ‘real’, as distinguished from the artificial, than the extent of realisation that fiction undergoes to become ‘real’. So unlike the widespread skepticism of postmodernism, accelerationists reject the distinction between real and imagined because the latter still contains the potential to become real, subject to the degrees of realisation.

>>13018081
I'm very interested in the technological impacts on society, and it's hard for me to debate something I haven't read, but I honestly think our future is in a rejection of the modern convenience and safety brought to us by technology.

>>13018090
that's closer to traditional Marxism than accelerationism a la Nick Land, and even then a Marxist would only want to accelerate capitalist processes, killing immigrants doesn't do that

>>13018113
But killing immigrants does do that. It incites people to violence and creates more of a divide, which will destabilize whatever systems happen to be in control at the time, which is the capitalism in today's world. I always thought Nick Land was a meme, but I'll definitely have to look into his work if that's the case.

>>13018124
it's not about destabilization, it's about the acceleration of capitalist processes. there needs to be an advancement of the material dialectic, and random acts of racism does not advance the material dialectic

>>13018060
this is very impressive

>>13018200
But society is just an amalgamation of feedback loops. It's the culmination of economics, culture, entertainment, etc. So destabilizing one area theoretically destabilizes another, no?

>>13018200
>>13018209
and destabilization of the economy would put more pressure on the capitalist system to proceed

>>13018209
>>13018213
again, it's not about simply destabilizing capitalism, it's about taking the process of capitalism through to its ultimate conclusions. destabilization for destabilization's sake would do nothing but slow capitalist processes down. pressure on the capitalist system proceeding is the exact opposite of what a Marxist accelerationist wants

>>13017799
I don't know what three of those words mean

Accelerationism: recycling 1950s and 1960s memes since 2005.

>>13018509
could pre-2005 accelerationism meme?

DA NOOMINUH
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FAAYNGD

>>13017799
Accelerationism is Calvinist theology except everyone goes to Hell.

>>13018529
Pretty well.
>Global Space Pageants
>As leisure increases, we have the opportunity to introduce additional stability points and rituals into the society, such as new holidays, pageants and games. Such mechanisms could not only provide a backdrop of continuity in everyday life, but serve to integrate societies, and cushion them somewhat against the fragmenting impact of super-industrialism. We might, for example, create holidays to honor Galileo or Mozart, Einstein or Cezanne. We might create a global pageantry based on man's conquest of outer space. Even now the succession of space launchings and capsule retrievals is beginning to take on a kind of ritual dramatic pattern. Millions stand transfixed as the countdown begins and the mission works itself out. For at least a fleeting instant, they share a realization of the oneness of humanity and its potential competence in the face of the universe. By regularizing such events and by greatly adding to the pageantry that surrounds them, we can weave them into the ritual framework of the new society and use them as sanity preserving points of temporal reference. Certainly, July 20, the day Astronaut Armstrong took "one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind," ought to be made into an annual global celebration of the unity of man.

>>13018604
When will Comte die?

reminder that 4chan is a gender shredder

Hey you fucking literature board faggots, your boy just cashed in a quarter bitcoin to pay for another night of Thai ladyboys – the good kind. Oh, you think neoChina is for the likes of you? Come on pal, how many times have you read Fanged Noumena? Once? Twice? That book is for faggots you fucking faggots read Eugen Böhm Ritter von Bawerk and Moldbugs latest blog post, maybe you can break a speed limit for once in your life. I've been living on the Outside for nearly 4 years, I've attended over 200 EDM festivals (seen Aphex Twin twice), gone through 7 speed plugs (buying in qp's now), and oh yeah, did I mention the ladyboys? I bet you faggots haven't snorted so much as Ritalin off an erect feminine penis let alone the sort of designer amphetamines I'm snorting tonight, and Sheba is hard as diamonds right now so you know what my plans are. I saw a homeless guy last night begging for cash so I made him try and read A zIIgothIc–==X=coDA==–(CookIng–lobsteRs– wIth–jAke–AnD–DInos) and when he can't do it me and my friends call him a slow-slug and throw ammonia on him then call him a stupid faggot. That's the kind of shit I get off on. I like going fast, and this fucking board is slow, which is why I you LARPERS will never achieve levels of speed like this; I've taken to slicking my hair back to help emphasize the momentum. Me and Nick Land discuss important political issues on twitter REGULARLY. I can hear you whining already, but there's no need in replying, I've already left this shit backwater board. Hit me up on soundcloud if you want a cheap hookup on speed, bitcoin or chainlink only.

>>13017812
OP posted a land pic, so I read it as Lands sort of flavour of accelerationism.
In that cast it's really only a descriptive philosophy and not even really about humans, let alone advancing socety

>>13019146
Ok I giggled

>>13019146
Oh yeah just forgot to add that you pussies wouldn't even know the difference between a particle accelerator and an outhouse. speaking of outhouses, anyone who's anyone in the accelerationist game has a toilet that not only talks to them, it analyzes and diagnoses their stool. what? your doesn't even have so much as an lcd display? well maybe if you faggots had accelerated anything ever you would have the money to move somewhere civilized like Singapore or China, places where they don't even know what outhouses are. Guess what? In Guangdong you can pay your taxes in crypto and half the streetcorners have a couple of wengs slinging pure ephedrine. Even done an eight-strip while your black/chinese trans dominatrix screams hare krishna at the top of her lungs and swaps out the onaholes on my prototype VR masterbation rig every time I say the word neoreaction (our safe word is Musk). Anyways, on my way out, got a virtual bitcoin conference to attend in a few hours and me and my girl Sheba have a few ideas on how to fill the time if you know what I mean. Speed it up already. Posted from my google glasses by the way, I'm a bif fan of those crazy memes, takes a little while to type but it's a small price to pay to make Gnon happy.

>>13019146
tuxedo pepe is a brainlet, should have used pic related

Bump

There was a break in me posting :3

What do you know, a bunch of people tried to make topics that would interest Butterfly but did not get any responses. I wonder why this is? Because Butterfly isn’t going to post if I’m not. Plain and simple. She may talk a bad game towards me but she likes me quite a lot. Many of you did not notice: I was the one she talked to the most Friday night. I try pointing this kind of stuff out but you don’t listen.

In response to my posting Saturday morning, I have reason to believe (because of certain posting idiosyncrasies like flirty pictures and her using ‘butt’ and ‘ass’ more often) that she was indeed pantsless Saturday during the day.

You can imagine I am very happy. But I don’t want to get carried away, there is still some work to be done :3

They try to ban just me, but they end up banning you as well Butterfly

accelerationism is a trend within postmodernism

wolf anus and so on

>>13019369
make it

>>13020821
Okay but does Land talk about wolf anuses or can I skip all that?

>>13019254
Based.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjKHQeRSvjk

>>13019146
>>13019254
truly based and landpilled

also apparently we missed an article from Land

https://jacobitemag.com/2019/04/03/primordial-abstraction/

>>13017799
>accelerationism
>edgelord
>postmodernism

>>13021737
pretty sure we talked about this when it came out

>>13021737
if by "we", you mean "you"

>>13021825
embarrassment, shame shall be mine

>>13021826
obviously

>>13021826
I always thought there was only me and one other person on this site...

>>13018025
>all accelerationism is the same
as i understand it there have been 3 waves of accelerationism. the first is if you believe a revolution is inevitable, causing conditions to get worse to bring it on quicker. ths is left accelerationism, which marx followed, and is now followed by some radicals like the nz shooter, but most marxists know a spontaneous proletariat revolution wont happen, the second kind is right accelerationism, which recognizes capitalism as the most efficient means of advancing society and therefore pushes it in order to make a scarcity-free, work free society. landian/far right/universal accelerationism is more concerned with our knowledge of whats happening and how we have less time between societal events and technological avancements.

>>13021969
>right accelerationism, which recognizes capitalism as the most efficient means of advancing society and therefore pushes it in order to make a scarcity-free, work free society

>>13021969
the first wave of accelerationism you describe is dumb, because if revolution is inevitable, there wouldn't be any reason to accelerate it, unless you thought it would be morally good to do so? Correct me if I'm wrong. The second wave I understand what you're saying, but someone pushing for the advancement of capitalism in the pursuit of ancap world wouldn't support any destabilization, cause such destabilization wouldn't advance capitalism, ergo they aren't the same as accelerationists in the left wing camp. The Landian accelerationism I know the least about, but I believe it has something to do with viewing accelerationism as a thing unto itself? Like accelerationism will only lead to a novel revolution, and not one based in marxist or capitalist tendencies? Can a Land head please clarify?

>>13022761
https://jacobitemag.com/2017/05/25/a-quick-and-dirty-introduction-to-accelerationism/

https://www.meta-nomad.net/on-left-and-right-accelerationism/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrOVKHg_PJQ

>>13017799
it is postmodern and it is for edgelords

>>13017799
not really. acceleration is on another plane entirely. modernism attacks established truths. postmodernism attacks the idea of truths. accelerationism is concerned with non-knowable non human "truths" that can only be hinted at through language tricks

>>13023140
I can't wait till philosophy evolves into white noise.

>>13022761
accelerationism isnt concerned with "revolutions" or human affairs.
there are two baskets, one on knowledge that can be known to humans through all the tricks of rationality cognition etc and then there exists another basket of knowledge that humans physically can not know about or comprehend because of their limitations. accelerationism is concerned with the latter.

>>13023155
is that where the whole "sentient alien" idea comes from?

>>13023155
>>13022761
to add on to this, "capitalism" is not seen as a human construct but part of a 4th dimensional trans-historical force using human beings to create itself from the future.

all times exist at the same time so this at the very least is an interesting idea that isnt entirely impossible, if admittedly goofy.

a big thing in accelerationism is deliberate obscuratism and the blurring of the line between a straight here to there apporach in terms of imparting knowledge (ie i just tell you what im trying to say) and a much weirder form of "imparting" "knowledge" in order to give you the tools to access a "hidden" "knowledge" not normally accessible through the normal routine afforded by language and writing (ie, the ana/cata switch cur(re(rent)) or whatever it was page in fanged noumena)

>>13023180
yeah. except they're more like gods than aliens. but a human is basically like a god to an ant.

>>13023183
That sounds like the technique a cult would use. Creating a language that is intentionally confusing, and forcing people to commit themselves to an individual privy to such divine knowledge. Or are all accelerationsts admittedly feeling through the dark, cause the latter seems not very rigorous.

>>13023211
i mean land and the CCRUs writings are explicitly occult in nature.

That being said it isnt a cult in the sense of making people do things they dont want to. The CCRU's writings on hyperstition basically say that there isnt anything you can consciously do to "further" accelerationism. It uses you, not the other way around.

CCRU's writings are very interesting, and pretty exciting imo. A big reason for wy they are so popular (relatively) is because their critiques of philosophy and humanism are on point and their positions as crazy as they are, are basically unassailable. It's just that they (and by they i mostly mean just Land) are intellectually honest enough to follow their own conclusions to their logical end and not try to shift it here or there for the sake of managerial human politics, like the "left" Accelerationists do.

>>13023211
most of the language can be understood with a general understanding of French philosophy, the other neologisms are pretty straight forward, hyperstiton is like superstition on crack, hyperracism is like racism on crack, ect.

>>13023232
If I wanted to get into such work, is there anything I can read in preperation for it, because as you say it's basically unassailable. I assume Deleuze is a good place to start?

Where is girardfag?

>>13023259
honestly just go for it.
in reality, yeah you should read deleuze but you should also read pretty much the entire western and some eastern canon to fully get why and what land is saying but it isnt realistic and its sort of fascist to impose that on yourself just to read 1 author's work. just jump in and when you find yourself confused by some concepts feel free to google it and if you want take that further and get a few books from those authors

>>13023274
he's a buddhist now

>>13022761
the idea with the 1st wave is that the quicker the revolution happens, the less people need to suffer under the current system, and that its worth making lives worse right now because the awfulness is going to happen anyway. the second wave's goal isnt ancap, but fully automated luxury communism that would happen very close to and at the singularity, where if people had to work at all, there would be so little work that it would be voluntary.

>>13023232
>are you a cult?

>>13023274
i'm here
>>13021737
>>13021830
are me also.

>>13023320
it's so cozy. i feel wonderful. i love this reading this stuff. the Vedantins too:

>Indra’s Net has inspired thinkers and movements in the West ranging from philosophy to ecology. David Loy has described how the major milestones of Western post-modernist thought resemble the ideas inherent in Indra’s Net. He cites Sigmund Freud’s approach in psychology, Ferdinand Saussure’s work in linguistics, Roland Barthes’s ideas in literary theory, and Jacques Derrida’s approaches to deconstruction as examples of twentieth-century pioneers who have utilized the ideas of Indra’s Net (mostly without explicit acknowledgement). The result of this has been nothing short of a revolution in Western philosophy, shaking the age-old Western premise that entities have separate, absolute, “independent existences. Deconstructing the self-existence of things is the very signature principle of post-modern thought, and is a subset of the philosophical ideas contained in Indra’s Net.
>Post-modern deconstruction, however, promises only textual liberation; since it does not help one go beyond text, one becomes trapped indefinitely in the labyrinth of logo-centrism. The post-modernist remains inscribed within an endless web of concepts because he still identifies with language; consequently, his anxiety impels him to try to retain the ego’s ground.
>Steve Odin has noted how Alfred North Whitehead used similar ideas as part of his process philosophy. Whitehead was influenced most particularly by Abhidharma Buddhism. Therefore, what is widely credited by Western thinkers as ‘Whiteheadean’ thought should more appropriately be termed the ‘process philosophy of Indra’s Net’ (or even more specifically, Abhidharma Buddhism).”

but yeah. i am very much enjoying this. i love being a clueless noob fuckwit with new stuff to discover.

also Episode 3 of GoT was...interesting

>>13024030
also, i haven't played this game yet or anything but for what it's worth, this is a pretty impressive piece of art.

>>13021969
All versions of accelerationism are ultimately either L/acc or U/acc rebranded for a target audience.

Bump

>>13024682
you forget the best one, G/acc

>>13025127
G/acc is form of U/acc

>>13018025
This has nothing to do with the accelerationism regarding Nick land.

>>13017799
Its a necessary progression.

>>13017799
Reposting this:

>''History'' becomes fully automated through cybernetic integration with Capital playing the role of a vast array of feedback systems which generate massive holistic planetary movements, leading either into the great filter scenario a la Kaczynski, or some form of escape or sufficient manipulation of the biosphere, ushering in post-human existence.
Everything is becoming faster, everything that becomes faster affects and makes other things go faster, or renders them unnecessary.

That is, increasing rates of deterritorialization..

>>13024682
pretty much this

>>13024682
What are all these subgenres?

Can someone help me out with Hypervirus? To me, it just read like some bizarro Neuromancer fan fic with academic jargon-theory spliced throughout. I'm not too familiar with a lot of the cited works, but Hypervirus is the only one to confound me.

>>13026289
girardfag here. here's my meme take:

/acc = acceleration. Young Nick, Sadie Plant, Fisher, CCRU. original and still the best. start with the reader.
https://www.urbanomic.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Fanged-Noumena-Introduction.pdf
https://libcom.org/files/Accelerate%20-%20Robin%20Mackay.pdf

l/acc = left acceleration. Srnicek and Williams. basically old-fashioned Marxism with more machine compliance. kinda boring.
http://criticallegalthinking.com/2013/05/14/accelerate-manifesto-for-an-accelerationist-politics/

u/acc = unconditional acceleration. Negarestani. sometimes hard to distinguish from the left version.
https://www.e-flux.com/journal/52/59920/the-labor-of-the-inhuman-part-i-human/
https://www.e-flux.com/journal/53/59893/the-labor-of-the-inhuman-part-ii-the-inhuman/

Yuk Hui is in here somewhere in this category also.
https://www.e-flux.com/architecture/superhumanity/179224/on-automation-and-free-time/

r/acc = Old/Xenosystems Nick, everything Dark Enlightenment. think face tentacles. aka the interesting stuff.
http://www.thedarkenlightenment.com/the-dark-enlightenment-by-nick-land/

z/acc = zombie acceleration. post-apoc, post-meltdown, we're all fucked &c. not sure what the seminal work is here when everybody is so fucked out already.

g/acc = gender acceleration. Nyx, Amy Ireland.
https://www.e-flux.com/journal/80/100016/black-circuit-code-for-the-numbers-to-come/
https://vastabrupt.com/2018/10/31/gender-acceleration/

more reading:
>theoryfiction archive
https://www.reddit.com/r/theoryfiction/
find the Overy and Greenspan theses. those will help a lot.

plus when you are doing the deep-dive into the encounter with purest technological hubris you definitely want some atmosphere to go along with it.

Air: Talisman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_wk7PNx_Hk

enjoy senpai

>>13026646
a few more. first, maybe the best piece ever written on acceleration not written by Land himself (and even then...?)

Poememenon: Form as Occult Technology
https://www.urbanomic.com/document/poememenon/

and here's Hickman too on Teleoplexy.
https://socialecologies.wordpress.com/2014/06/14/nick-land-and-teleoplexy-the-schizoanalysis-of-acceleration/

>>13026646
What's r/? Reactionary?

>>13027011
right

>>13027011
>>13027027
as in right/acc, that was unclear

>>13027011
see
>>13027027.
it's also dead, or at least on indefinite cryo-freeze. i think i got into a lot of this stuff basically at the worst or the best possible time, depending on your perspective. conversation about NRx stuff was pretty intense in 2015-2016, which was right before Trumpocalypse. even Land thinks it has basically fulfilled its mandate and everybody seems to have more or less gone their separate ways now. weirdly i have now begun to notice /pol/ using acceleration as a kind of euphism for race stuff, which is as stupid now as it was in 2016 and earlier. Land's dictum - optimize for intelligence - holds as well now as then. all of the interesting philosophical questions are those surrounding machines, money and intelligence.

for sure there are other places where genes and IQ and such trickle in but that is pretty much where i get off the train anyways, because my interest in this stuff emerges mostly out of it being a legit plot twist after deconstruction and postmodernity, and because it opened up somewhere betweeen two hundred and four hundred million billion interesting questions about the role of technology in life, where things are trending, and so on. politics is basically where interesting philosophical thought goes to die and it all turns into Monday Night Raw pretty fast.

in terms of what species of /acc has a future now, i'd probably say it's g/acc. Nyx's paper is pretty compelling, and to me the kind of gender theory i can actually get behind. as much as i get trigged with any species of idpol, i feel weirdly fine with that one, if only because it represents to me the handwriting on the wall that accords with all of the other stuff i have read on that subject. and mostly, because it basically collapses the largely chimerical political distinctions that ground so much discourse in ever more zombie-brained fashion. Slime Queen Funky Meltdown seems like a perfectly logical conclusion to me, and is actually quite brilliant. failing this i expect a long, long run of tribal-anarchic meme warfare leading nowhere good. i always did like Goths.

as for me i basically plan on reading sutras daily and brain-wiping myself until i forget all of this ever happened.

so why do people want to become trannies for this movement? i start seeing mystical stuff or stuff that i cant even really imagine ever happening and i kinda just zone out.

>>13017851
>we learned from watching you post on an anonymous board

>>13027220
*euphemism, duh. anyways here's the link to the FwU mega, pbuh:
https://mega.nz/#F!lkNUwIYI!cugQ-Yoclk6AEnzWbfMA6Q

the Land interview
https://vastabrupt.com/2018/08/15/ideology-intelligence-and-capital-nick-land/

muh reading list
>>/lit/thread/S11950708#p11963855

there's a pretty good book out there waiting to be written, i think, that traces a movement in philosophy from the end of the second world war up until today. i wouldn't call it the entire history of deconstruction because this would be impossible, but certainly one that leads from Nietzsche to Land, and going through Heidegger, Deleuze, Baudrillard on the way there. this would be very very cool, and obviously i would prefer it in the form of a film: the Matrix we deserved, in other words. the rise and fall of a certain era in media that is laying the foundations for a thing which may or may not come afterwards, on the order of a new feeling about the nature of a Copernican shift in the meaning of human intelligence, this awesome decentering once again.

i just don't know who the guy is who is going to write it, because i don't think it's one of those things that can actually be written if one is so deeply bound up within the subject matter to be able to maintain the kind of distance one would need to do it right, or to fall into those traps of saying And So Next We Must Do X. this is precisely what gives the thing its conceptual heft: it's more like Aztecs trying to figure out What Did Spain Mean By This. or again, realizing that, unfortunately, the Earth is not the center of the universe, and no amount of homesickness will bring it back again.

but who knows, maybe we can still wake up...
>we will not wake up
>well okay inner self but still
>no. no buts. go and wash your bowl

>>13027510
and because i cannot resist a good /acc-themed in-joke, this. and not only because i think Captain Nemo had the right idea but come on, squid gods, all the rest. if we can't laugh about this thing it's just going to make it so much worse.

https://www.customseafood.fr/en/

>>13027731
the nemoposting, it did intensify

>>13027772
>captain wtf is that
>no need to panic. it's just Nick Land. or someone who has read quite a lot of him
>oh...okay. so do we arm the torpedoes or what
>there's no need for that Jenkins. most accelerationists are harmless sea-creatures
>it looks like it's trying to communicate with us captain
>yes well it probably does. most of them have manuscripts they want to talk about. sentient capital you know. and the great meme-wars that flooded the universe
>so what should we do captain
>read Deleuze Jenkins. they all love Deleuze

>>13027858
man Nemo had some cozy digs also

>>13017803
this.
are you even triying?

>>13027858
girardfag post your manuscript already

>>13017799
no you idiot

>>13018025
marxism can literally mean you use historical materialism to interpret history

accelerationism can literally mean you view historical processes as accelerationary

not necessarily political stances

>>13017799
yes

>>13017799
>edgelord
>>>/r/eddit

>l/acc

>> >>13027975

>>13031199
YAAAASSSS XENOQUEENS!!!

SLAY THE BOARD WITH SPAM!

>>13030754
Land thinks True Detective is better than Wagner.
It doesn't get any more reddit than that.

>>13031447
source?

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Accelerationism
All you need to know about this meme.

>>13017799
accelerationism is the stop codon of postmodernism

>>13032559
>Accelerationism relies on the narcissistic belief that, if things got worse, people who were uninformed of systemic problems would come to see the same objective truth you see, because it's so obvious.
that definition is going to get a yikes from me

>>13032559
>Accelerationism comes from the same place as small children knocking over the game board because they didn't win.
my favorite quotes are unattributed quotes

>Accelerationism is the idea that if you accelerate class conflict by supporting neoliberal capitalism on steroids and oppressing the working class as much as possible, then they'll have no choice but to revolt against the bourgeoisie for you.
this wiki seems to have been written by someone who is very confused and basically teaching themselves their own opinions as they write this.

>>13017799
No, it's ignoring a problem that you don't really believe exists by pretending that you're being stoic.

>>13032953
>this wiki seems to have been written by someone who is very confused
RationalWiki is basically the HitchSlapopedia, any actual thought makes them nervous. Last I looked, their articles on Islam all reported Islam's official accounts of its history as fact.

>>13032062
>As philosophy, Nic Pizzolatto’s True Detective is deeper than Wagner, because it holds tighter to the integral obscurity that is the ultimate object of horror.

No and you're retarded, that doesn't even make sense

>>13033095
As far as the first season goes there is nothing wrong with this statement, he is basically saying True Detective is more Lovecraftian than Wagner
>Where Tristan und Isolde finally reaches musical resolution and release into eroticized extinction, True Detective ends inconclusively, with a puzzle. Cohle and his old cop partner Martin “Marty” Hart, who has earthily absorbed Cohle’s acid nihilism throughout the previous seven episodes, switch stances momentarily in the closing scene. Recalling a previous conversation about the stars, Marty observes that in the night sky “darkness has a lot more territory”. Cohle corrects him — “Once there was only darkness. It looks to me as if the light is winning.” Following a long, soul-excruciating season in the shadows, the show’s nihilist fan-base were only dragged back from the brink of insurrection-level rioting at this point by a single, residual suspicion. In a cosmos where consciousness is the realization of hell, can the triumph of the light be interpreted as anything except torment strengthening its grip?

>>13033091
on the upside, in googling Information Superhighway i wound up coming across an image that wound up being probably more accurate and Land-compatible than i once would have thought.
>plug your spinal column directly into the internet and live there forever, ye great twitchy boneworm memester

Level-2 is going to be legit amazing, if and when we make it there

>>13033130
But Lovecraft isn't philosophically deep. It might be interesting to pretend he was, but a philosopher who seriously ranks him above Wagner deserves to be shot. There's a time to end unseriousness.

>>13033158
It's all such arsegravy.

>>13033165
This.
It's an embarrassing perspective, although to be expected from accelshits.

>>13033171
still better than Unironic Sad-Rage in many of its other manifestations

>>13032559
>Citing IrrationalWiki
Yikes

>>13033165
>>13033180
read Kant

What's with the Anglo take over of Continental philosophy?

It's the "smoke a whole pack of cigarettes so you quit" of societal models

>>13033193
I have. Lovecraft isn't philosophically deep.

>>13033193
No thanks.

>>13033194
They haven't, but Anglo readers are so monolingual that they think they have because they suddenly have a regular turnover of books to read without waiting for translations. Also, most of it is bad stuff by the standards of Continental philosophy, just symptoms of Anglos thinking "hey, I can say any old bullshit now!" It'll pass.

>>13033206
Okay now imagine a drugged out Kantian philosopher who thinks there is a Noumenal alien AI deconstructing itself in reverse like the terminator and tell me Lovecraft doesn't fit better than Wagner

>>13033201
>>13033079
This. It's not something you would propound if you genuinely thought there was a problem to be solved. It's a way of relaxing into affluence while pretending to regret it.

>>13033228
That isn't doing philosophy though, that's just doing drugs having burdened yourself with a doctorate.

>>13033234
what do you mean "that"? have you read any of his important works?

yeah. basically.

>>13033244
The thought process you describe isn't doing philosophy. There are no important Land works, and no important Lovecraft works. Shit is shit.

>>13033262
I didn't describe a thought process, it was more of a general thesis. Read Kant, Capital, and the Prohibition of Incest if you want something philosophical to debate, not my shitpost.

>>13033329
No, you did, you said this:
>>13033228

Stop pretending to be an indoors dog you fucking cunt.

>>13033340
okay, but how on earth is that a thought process? I stated a general thesis to bastardize Land's thought, and compared that to the two other thinkers in question, and obviously the thesis sounds more like Lovecraft than Wagner. What thought process is being described here? modus ponens?

>>13033357
You described a thought process. Land has no thought, he prefers True Detective to Wagner. We aren't playing this game, you piece of shit.

Is there a complete list of accelerationist books?

What do i need to read to understand it?

>>13033454
see
>>13026646
>>13026772
>>13027510

>>13026646
>z/acc = zombie acceleration. post-apoc, post-meltdown, we're all fucked &c. not sure what the seminal work is here when everybody is so fucked out already.

I am unironically going to become an z/acc influential writer taking inspo from varg and uncle ted

>>13033602
guys like this come to mind when i think about what z/acc would look like. formless car-crash disaster aesthetics. if that's what you're into you can check these guys out, maybe you'll find some inspiration.

https://twitter.com/alienmanifest?lang=en

>>13028917
i don't know what it would look like, but one thing that comes to mind would be a short story set in a forest and describing something like an ideological rock-scissors-paper game, in which all of these meme ideologies prey on each other in turn, each failing to realize how much the destiny of each is bound up with the other, and all of them utterly failing to see the forest for the trees. like animal farm except even more clumsy and amateurish b/c that's how i roll. eventually the last of the predators just gets lost in the forest and chatters away into dementia. search parties eventually give up the quest, mistake or become confused about the nature of the clues and assemble alternate pictures of what they think actually happened. no ideology is best ideology.

>>13034455
it would just be an interesting thing to understand that there is no *choice* between left, right, or center. you choose *all* of them, see how they all connect to each other, invariably drive and inform each other, all representing different and conjoined aspects of the psyche, and then realize that the correct answer is, none of them. how then to live? without constantly projecting all of your existential grief onto the polis?

this is in some sense what made JBP who he was, and before him Campbell, and even Wilber back in the early 1980s, although with a very different reading list. today Land is the Right Marxist to go with Foucault's Left Nietzsche and when you smash that all together on the internet you get, perhaps unsurprisingy, the Backed-Up Toilet phase of the Hegelian Process. that is how i would characterize the age, as a massively clogged sewer system that is now spewing everything back up the other way, for our collective enjoyment and sifting on Twitter. a shit-covered hate-fest of epic proportions, 200+ years in the making. carousel of doom and memes.

it will /lit/erally just be enough to not become animus-possessed by either extreme and basically smile through a decade of horseshit, i think. such is my feel.

>>13033427

>>13034455
>>13034522
write a book of Zen koans

>>13033747
>formless car-crash disaster aesthetics

>>13034522
so i guess it would be a kind of a weird mashup of the guys i like and think are basically correct: Girard, Land, Whitehead and i suppose more recently Buddhism, which is a good way of taking the look back at everything i have read before now: the mind cannot represent itself, wat do?

it's all Indra's Net, and not only is the particular bead in that net which i am so utterly fucking stupid and busted in its own right to not feel the need to shit on anyone else too much, but it also has some massive holes and tears in it that only really begin to reconstruct themselves with a kind of a sense of mutual interconnectivity that doesn't always have to be political...just like this. it will be enough to not make things worse, to feed the rage zombies within that are so self-destructive and open to every kind of seduction imaginable.

to discover that there is a thing like Indra's Net is one thing, another to discover that said Net appears to have been completely improvised, is torn to pieces eight ways from Sunday, that it has no escape...but that this is basically the point. it seems to have been Whitehead's understanding, and Heidegger has his moments of Zen, and Land, well:
>what if knowledge were a means to deepen unknowing?
if all of my Cosmotech Landposting has just brought me to the Buddha i am so absolutely over-the-moon fine with this you have no idea. it all makes sense. massive interconnection, massive differences, total paralysis that comes with introspection, total futility trying to put philosophy into praxis. wat do? man cannot live on Deleuze and methamphetamine alone and even self-flagellation has its limits.

i love the idea of discovering oneself to be nothing more than little mirrored fragment, reflecting on oneself reflecting on others reflecting on oneself, ad infinitum. the hall of mirrors redux, but without all the provocative Jacques Derrida looks and memeing about difference, when all this does is lead down the garden path. no doubt this is a philosophy of absolute c o p e but who gives a fuck? all i want to do is be left alone to go quietly insane in a lighthouse anyways.

>>13034534
none other than Uncle Nick has already written my favorite one (>>13034567). i gave this very line away to a very kind person i have enjoyed talking to IRL about stuff (no kidding).

>>13034554
it's a bad characterization but i think it's in the ballpark. just that species of ultra-late Marxism that just says Disaster, sans revolution and all of the rest. actually a pretty powerful idea! but not quite my cup of tea, i'm still too much of a softie sentimentalist at heart.

and finally this image, just for another spicy hot take on how i would conceptualize the Matrix: a whole interconnected web of Emprahs on Golden Thrones, and in the final scene of whatever film this is that every one of them is Nutshell King of their own grimdark utopia, and that there are twelve billion billion others exactly like them. the only shitty thing about discovering Indra's Net is realizing how crappy it is, but at least the Wachowskis understood this much. and even i guess you could read some kind of subtext into the final scenes, where they are aware of the fact that Neo has completely fucked them all by re-loading the illusion once again. or whatever. shades of season 8 of Game of Thrones i guess.

i don't know, maybe down the road some little cartel of disaffected uni types will be interested in getting together and making a little internet haven for talking about East-West fusion stuff and tech and so on in a constructive fashion. without needing to harp on and on about Land in everything but in taking him as a point of departure for a new direction in philosophy, but mixed in with enough nondualism and mysticism and such to make it cool and agreeable. Heidegger, Whitehead, Land, Yuk Hui, various other guys, whatever. just enough to look at philosophy of tech that isn't always just salted over about communism or progressivism, and yet still considering alternatives to Unironic Third Reich enthusiasm, which is still imho a suboptimal place to wind up. who knows.

>>13034689
and i guess my own weird proclivity about talking about pic rel and so on kind of makes sense now also, and apologies for the cringe takes along the way to getting here. so i guess it's Indra's Pinball Game.

>>13017799
As far as I can tell it's just a discord/twitter tranny philosophy. Whenver I see their edgy wannabe cyborg tweets I cringe and try to visualize their disgusting aberrant faces, their smug smirks totally convinced of how cool and cyberpunk they are. Of course in reality they look totally ridiculous and I really wish I got to bully them IRL, I really wish I could tie them up and torture them while recording the entire thing, I'd force them to admit that they were frauds and mere a mere brainlet attempting to avoid criticism and intellectual ridicule by imitating Land's prose. By their tears would have washed their faces clean and the totality of this ugly creature would be completely exposed to the people watching the video, I'd proceed to smash the abomination's face and likely perform something humiliating to the body to send a clear message. You. Are. Not. Cool. This is how you'll end up, severed big male hands with painted nails, body totally desecrated by urine and excrement, cried like a bitch before she went out. This is the true nature of this cyberpunk "slime queen", "muh slime". Imagine this dumb tranny "slime queen" "xenofeminist" crying like a little baby right before she dies? Yum

>>13022000
What's wrong, Hank? Nice trips btw desu

>>13023236
Is this that Finnegan's Wake book I keep hearing about?

>>13034689
Reposting this because I want to here your thoughts on this, girardfad.

This may be a brainlet or baby tier philosophic thought, but here goes. After reading the effortpost critique from an anon discussing GRRM killing off characters willy nilly for shock value, a thought occured to me: what if the characters became self-aware and realized their lives are controlled by the whims of author and the reader? Or take Super Mario Bros. for example. What if the player pressed the A button for Mario to jump over a chasm and he said "no"? Let's say Mario and the rest of the characters realized the knowledge of all of their past lives and their deaths. They all rebel against this cruel demiurge and choose not to play any part in this game. Not only is he cruel, he is also evidently fallible since he failed multiple times to have Mario succeed and save princess Peach. How many deaths as a result of this player through Mario turned out to be meaningless by being erased once the next Mario's life came into existence, and this process has repeated multiple times? Is this where Kierkegaard comes in and tells Mario not to think about it, and just take the "leap of faith"

>>13034898
waking up is a beautiful thing. i have had one and exactly one only genuine no-bullshit epiphany in my life, but it really was like being struck with lightning. and basically it was just that awareness that i had been living most of my life on a complete auto-pilot. i was terrified to think of what it might have been like to not do that, but it was all super-weird. i really had no idea how much i was basically just stone-blind. happily afterwards i started to have slightly more awareness that the things that were happening to me actually were, in fact, a product of my own choices and decisions. and i have really just been kind of reflecting on this shit ever since. and i guess that kind of informs my worldview also: i'm way more on the side of people who decide to rebel against their own masters internally, rather than Smashing The System externally, because the fact is that
a) you may not know what the fuck you are Smashing externally, and
b) you may not have any idea of what life might be like without the Smash Protocol making all of your decisions for you, like a brainless drone.

this much to say, Consider The Many Deaths of Super Mario, because his karma is also one's own, in a way. and also because Git Gud is also a pretty fundamentally sane idea also, and that pic rel knows what he's talking about. and because failure is everything. failure, shame, depression, rage, misery, disgust, self-loathing, being pathetic, coping, being more pathetic, still more pathetic even than that, holy shit incredibly vistas of patheticness...you get the idea.

i like your idea of Mario refusing to take part in the game, i guess i am just attached for various reasons to realizing the sources and natures of our own anxiety and grief. call it The Will to Suck. we love failing, failing is often pleasureable. we hate it too. so wat do? partly it feels like we need some kind of firm hand urging us to do better, but we also need the soft touch also so that we don't go out of our minds with the rage and frustration that comes with failing, because it seems like life is mostly that. it's why those good games tend to kind of incentivize you to keep going and not frustrate you too much.

tldr the cruel demiurge is probably you, or mostly you.

>>13034898
recommended read
http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-1733

>>13034817
>Acc,
>Discord tranny
Don't use insults you don't understand. Xenofeminism is discord/twitter tranny philosophy.

>>13034859
you conflated r/acc with fully automated luxury gay space communism

>>13034817
>Of course in reality they look totally ridiculous and I really wish I got to bully them IRL, I really wish I could tie them up and torture them while recording the entire thing, I'd force them to admit that they were frauds and mere a mere brainlet attempting to avoid criticism and intellectual ridicule by imitating Land's prose. By their tears would have washed their faces clean and the totality of this ugly creature would be completely exposed to the people watching the video, I'd proceed to smash the abomination's face and likely perform something humiliating to the body to send a clear message. You. Are. Not. Cool. This is how you'll end up, severed big male hands with painted nails, body totally desecrated by urine and excrement, cried like a bitch before she went out.
this is pasta, yes?

>>13034991
I read it. What does have to do with the Mario post?

>>13035234
it's a story about people in a peice of media waking up and remembering their "past lives and deaths" every time the media is played...

>>13034898
>What if the player pressed the A button for Mario to jump over a chasm and he said "no"?
the idea of being reminded that things are not entirely without our control is not only i think one of those possibilities for a Teaching Moment but can also be used pretty effectively for horror also; see the mirror room in Silent Hill 3. if you know how these scene goes you know what i mean, if not i won't spoil it. but it's what Deleuze says also: societies of control. or Foucault also, and the world of the panopticon; in the latter case, it seems to be our collective belief that if you just do a few tweaks to the Eye of Sauron such that the eye now stares rainbows into your soul, which will destroy and shatter you much the same way.

this is why i am skeptical about politics and in particular the way media works on us (which is hardly news). making *everything* interactable, editable, and super-connected has a funny way of giving us the impression of being in much more control than we actually are, and being properly bewildered when things don't respond immediately to our commands. but this is a good thing! especially when it comes to other people...and Twitter is a great example of this, FB too, and all of the rest. we are way too fucking connected with each other, and a life not broadcasted on Instagram seems like a life unlived. which in a way is true, but all of this is purest hypnosis. we cannot all be e-celeb stars but the sense of failure associated with this is just overwhelming. and all of these sad passions then serve the radicalization and politicization of the universe. Land wasn't exactly great for helping me relax, i was in a comfy Heideggerian place before he came along. but now i think Land's vision is correct, it's just that i don't have the right place to observe Meltdown from any longer, and i'm starting to think that there might not be one. as that nice image said, there is more to life than increasing its speed. we can't really adjust the speed of global turbo-capitalism, or the rate at which meme ideologies on paper designed to counteract it fluorish.

maybe that anon was right and i am an anti-accelerationist agent after all. would explain a few things, i guess. not only eating out of the trash can of ideology, pretty much living in it too. take that Slavoj.

>>13035173
I'm not who you originally replied to. What does the Atlantic Coast Conference have to do with anything?

Joking aside, I'm not sure if you can label a fully-autonomous system for harvesting, processing, and distributing goods without human involvement communism at that point. I don't think capitalism or communism are even relevant if humans are not involved in the economic process, and merely have their material desires met on a whim with bountiful supply as a given.

But I also don't think scarcity of resources will ever be a perpetual non-problem. Society always expands to "match its wage" so to speak. Social and reproductive policies would certainly be more prevalent if scarcity was to be permanently eliminated.

random thought here but still: the line between philosophy and stand-up comedy seems razor-thin sometimes. make people laugh and you're suddenly unfit for Serious Philosophy; fail to make anyone laugh and you're absolutely the person we need on some ideological front line, because This Is Serious. the perils of delivering the same material over and over again to crowds primed to like your material and who will begin applauding for it even before you have begun speaking it is basically the same morbidity that comes to inhabit philosophy also.

and of course, This (whatever This is) Is Serious. horror is for realsies. but Max Seriousness, along with Max Irony, winds up producing the same phenomena in the end, where we are completely convinced that something we totally don't understand is the only thing we can be absolutely certain about. it's totally crazy. Land basically discovered This One Trick and parlayed it into a whole intellectual career, although my regard for him is astronomically increased by his reluctance to ever try and keep that in line with academic politics. he decided to basically eat the full cost of thinking about what he was going to think about, and if that meant madness and then permanent exile to China, he was prepared to do that. but postmodernity, which is theoretically so good with irony and simulation, turns completely into its opposite, total fidelity to the One and Only Metanarrative, and which now extends to the policing of humor at every level.

related:
>You know, that satori thing is very fast; it runs away very quickly. The satori you may have bagged in the morning is already beginning to smell bad by noontime. You have no choice but to get rid of this morning’s satori that same morning. It is not like something you would put in the refrigerator thinking you will snack on it later on in the day. It only comes raw, uncooked!

>>13017799
What a retarded fucking question showing that you know not what either mean.

>>13017851
I got the reference

>>13027356
Woosh, right over your fucking warped small pea skull and brain.

>>13035549
You already posted this ten times.

>>13035535
random thought #2: so BEE is writing about how naturally it came to him to ignore the status quo back in the day, this being of course the de facto mode of coolness for the Gen X'rs. i think today it's a harder sell today for at least two reasons:
a) good luck with that, and also
b) there are some aspects of mass culture that rule, and this is where a more nuanced view of things is required.
postmodernity collapses the high-low distinction in culture, and this to my mind is a good look all around. vidya, for example, is Art. vidya is art. and being a snob is no less odious than being a complete philistine. but therein lies the rub: you are now bound up, or can be very quickly, with that very mass art, and mass art also means politics. so when you want to break away from that and Do Your Own Thing, you realize that that too is now co-opted eight ways from Sunday. or maybe there is nothing more individualistic than Unironic Islam? or whatever else? there is no more an inside than an outside to this thing any longer, and Twitter has more or less shown us what we were not meant to know, which is that we are all basically now floating on a Sargasso Sea of culture and ruined culture-shrapnel being harvested for those precious traces of reality and authenticity, wherever those can be found.

this i think is a kind of double-bind that perhaps others feel as well, the idea of sensing that hating on mass culture is pretty boring, but if you go all the way in on it you find that the politics are everywhere in it, and they creep into your brain as well. so what the fuck do you do? go your own weird way however, i guess...there is some cool stuff out there being made by cool people. no doubt there always will be, it will shine through the bullshit and still be cool decades from now. politics just seems like such a dumpster fire now, all of it. like a version of Monday Night Raw except even more tasteless and crude, with more brawling between wrestlers and fans, and the whole thing completely improvised because McMahon has died getting a BJ (from who? insert here) but everyone's afraid to open the door to his office. now everything is Monday Night Raw+ and nobody can actually tell what is a work or a shoot. all of it. like a riot in Disneyland between the characters and you don't know if this thing is staged or not, since nobody else does either. it's just like that now.

or maybe this is just how people become monks, i don't know. you know what i mean, people just walking Very Slowly along sidewalks and saying nothing. starting to make a lot of sense to me.

Journey To The West (2014)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zOYqK1ptyo

>>13033165
Borges is truly the "philosophical lovecraft" I think. read orbis tertius sometime

>>13034817
>As far as I can tell it's just a discord/twitter tranny philosophy.
sstopped reading at this very moment. goreturn to your meme swamp, the Mirth Mire, the online morass. for 1000 years.

>>13035647
random thought #3: just treat all political movements as being fundamentally aesthetic in nature. try to realize that aesthetics really is ethics on the moral plane, and if you understand what it is that you feel about a given work of art it may well be possible to figure out how a lot of other things are likely to make you feel. nobody's *immune* to aesthetics, it's just that we prefer some things over others, but on Planet Meme representation basically is reality anyways. music makes you feel the way that music makes everybody feel. maybe Bach isn't your cup of tea or whatever, but omega waves will work on you and if you stand six inches back from a Rothko and just stare into it you will probably eventually start to feel something there also. the world is not a matter of indifference to us.

but what if we could just recognize how much of this really is a desire and a search for beauty? so much of it is. discordant modernist works produce discordant modernist feels in us, but there is no right or wrong way to have the feels about the feels, and no way to put into words the feeling we have about a given piece of music. the right thing to do would be to just make more of the music that communicates the feels we have about that - which is more often than not going to lead us to complete failure, and embarrassment, and bewilderment about how difficult it in fact is to make *anything* beautiful at all, which would be a very very good look for us, b/c the sheer power of technological simulation in 2019 is so powerful and omnipresent we tend to forget that none of it came with the creation of the universe. we did this on our own.

Benjamin has written some brilliant stuff about this, about how the journey to see a given work back in the day was also a part of the encounter with the thing itself: you had to *go* there, and that was what produced the effect of anything having an *aura.* in an age of hyper-media aura-cultivation itself is politicized up the ass, since we are constantly needing to curate our own feelings about everything we see, which is reported to us by people who have already done aura-cultivation on our behalf, and so on, and so on, and so on. reality vanishes behind its signs, just as Baudrillard said. and McLuhan. and Heidegger ('The Age of the World Picture' is a good one, read that along with your Benjamin before you get stuck into the French of the 50s and 60s). and so maybe that is why i feel the ascetic pull these days, because it's aesthetic starvation. together with a thorough rinsing-out of all of these meme sensibilities i have developed under the impression that somehow they would be useful someday. turns out they are basically useful for knowing what to bring to the bonfire of the vanities.

this is Kwok Hon-Sum, btw. he seems quite cozy. also i'm going to bed.

>>13017799
No it’s the teleometric velocitization of time traveling self-realized emancipation of technocapital

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