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Anonymous Sat Apr 27 12:25:36 2019 No.13015073 [Reply] [Original]

>Pic related was considered a battle between two intellectual titans, the equivalent of Chomsky and Foucault
>The likes of Peterson and Shapiro are considered public intellectuals.
>There hasnt been a masterpiece novel written within the past 50 years (Gravity's Rainbow) and the amount of good stuff being released is dwindling and the amount of YA schlock is increasing
>All the great writers are dying one by one and there is no one to carry on the literary tradition. There is not one good writer below the age of 45.
>Once Bloom dies there will be no one to carry on the canon
>The funding for libraries keeps being cut and they are now basically community centers and areas for neoliberal bougeois "activism"
>Universities have been infiltrated hardcore by neoliberal ideology and they are basically trade schools now to turn people into bugmen/coding monkeys
What the fuck is wrong with the 21st century? Will art and critical thinking finnally die? Will things ever get better?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 12:26:31 2019 No.13015081 2666 was pretty close to a masterpiece

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 12:27:28 2019 No.13015087 >>13015081 >erotica >masterpiece

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 12:28:18 2019 No.13015090 >>13015073 Oh my fucking god not another one /thread

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 12:29:22 2019 No.13015097 File: 20 KB, 480x360, disgusting.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13015073 you exactly know what's wrong

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 12:29:30 2019 No.13015099 >>13015087 The Savage Detectives then or even some other Pynchon books, like Mason & Dixon and Against the Day. Bleeding Edge too, maybe.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 12:29:33 2019 No.13015100 >>13015073 Chomsky and Foucault was barely a battle. It was barely an actual conversation.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 12:29:51 2019 No.13015102 Peterson shouldn't even be allowed on /lit/. All he's written are 2 self help books. 99% of his discussed "material" is public speeches and a couple self help books don't warrant his discussion on a literature board.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 12:30:38 2019 No.13015107 >There hasnt been a masterpiece novel written within the past 50 years being this fucking stupid. kys and cringe

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 12:31:41 2019 No.13015112 >>13015107 name one

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 12:32:42 2019 No.13015118 >>13015099 >Pynchon this man, in my country he is nothing

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 12:33:10 2019 No.13015122 >>13015112 Infinite Jest

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 12:33:30 2019 No.13015124 >>13015087 nigga, there were more sex scenes in the book of genesis of the bible than in 2666. are you serious?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 12:33:55 2019 No.13015128 >>13015122 DFW is a fraud

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 12:34:33 2019 No.13015132 >>13015128 no u

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 12:35:41 2019 No.13015139 >>13015132 Killing himself was the only sincere act in his life

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 12:37:14 2019 No.13015144 >>13015139 Ok but Infinite Jest is still a masterpiece

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 12:39:24 2019 No.13015155 >>13015139 This is a level 1 interpretation of DFW

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 12:40:02 2019 No.13015158 It's because of internet...nobody cares for anything, everything is obvious, nothing is worth a try, everything is invented etc. that's the mentality.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 12:42:14 2019 No.13015165 >>13015128 He was a mediocrity for sure.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 12:42:18 2019 No.13015167 >>13015112 Look up Thomas Bernhard mofo. Get to it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 12:44:04 2019 No.13015178 >>13015155 I think is both the first and final level of interpretation but there are many in between like the expanding brain meme

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 12:46:23 2019 No.13015189 >>13015073 What's wrong with having a trade? Spinoza was a fucking lens crafter. Spending all of your time in the abstract is not good for the soul.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 12:54:02 2019 No.13015233 >>13015097 meme

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 12:58:19 2019 No.13015266 >>13015189 But Spinoza was genious after all. Great works he wrote.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 12:58:58 2019 No.13015271 >>13015189 Universities are meant for education not to make more bugmen to work for amazon and jewbook

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 12:59:36 2019 No.13015274 >>13015271 >Universities are meant for education This was the case about 300 years ago

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 13:01:31 2019 No.13015283 >>13015274 This was the case up until the 1960s

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 13:01:46 2019 No.13015285 >>13015167 That's true, Correction is a first-order masterpiece.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 13:01:49 2019 No.13015286 File: 286 KB, 1092x1687, 81E9oNSK3bL.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13015073 this is a pretty good contemporary novel

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 13:07:53 2019 No.13015325 >>13015283 If the descent of academia only started in the 1960's, why were men like Schopenhauer already talking about it at the start of the 19th century?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 13:40:49 2019 No.13015517 jesus is coming

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 13:48:49 2019 No.13015579 Become the change you want to see in the world

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 13:49:47 2019 No.13015586 >>13015073 >>There hasnt been a masterpiece novel written within the past 50 years (Gravity's Rainbow) Blood Meridian

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 13:50:30 2019 No.13015590 File: 42 KB, 655x509, 95f.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13015579 But I have no discernible talent

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 13:50:46 2019 No.13015591 >>13015586 >corncob is a good writer Bad meme

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 13:51:56 2019 No.13015596 >>13015087 a book with sex scenes cant be literature? lmao

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 13:51:59 2019 No.13015597 education was a mistake. we have to go back to the stone age.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 13:54:18 2019 No.13015608 >>13015596 it has no literary merit

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 13:58:28 2019 No.13015635 >>13015608 What about describing one of the most intimate encounters one can experience in all of life renders a book incapable of possessing literary merit?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 13:58:39 2019 No.13015636 >>13015073 The West has exhausted all its creative potential.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 14:10:21 2019 No.13015693 >>13015591 >corncob is a bad writer Worse meme.

>>	not sage :^) Sat Apr 27 14:25:51 2019 No.13015769 >>13015635 never since the inception of living organisms with genitals benis into pagina was anything interesting or worth analyzing, it's social implications yes, but not the act itself

>>	sage :^) Sat Apr 27 14:27:00 2019 No.13015778 >>13015769 *its, for the love of god I meant to type its, I'm not an idiot, ok?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 14:34:08 2019 No.13015805 >>13015635 It's primitive and animalistic. The difference between a human and an animal is that a human is capable of thought. There are love scenes in Shakespeare, not sex scenes. A scene about defecation would have the same literary value.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 14:36:06 2019 No.13015812 >>13015769 So there is nothing interesting about intimacy? Sounds like a sad life.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 14:43:43 2019 No.13015854 >>13015812 is porn literary?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 14:45:14 2019 No.13015864 >>13015854 Not all written sex scenes are pornographic in nature.

Anonymous Sat Apr 27 14:56:10 2019 No.13015915
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>>13015805
>The difference between a human and an animal is that a human is capable of thought.
This is stupid. Of course animals have thoughts; humans being some of them, because we are animals (mammalia, specifically).

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 15:10:57 2019 No.13016010 >>13015915 Animals act purely out of primal instinct. Humans have evolved to become much more than that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 15:41:31 2019 No.13016181 File: 23 KB, 320x320, that way.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13015122 Jesus

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 16:09:06 2019 No.13016369 >>13016010 >Humans have evolved to become much more than that. We really haven't.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 17:50:35 2019 No.13016808 File: 827 KB, 1200x800, petersondrones.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13015073

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 17:54:21 2019 No.13016818 >>13015189 Trades are good in my opinion. Any activity where you can control and use your time at your will is good. Wagecucking kills the soul.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 18:07:41 2019 No.13016875 >>13016010 >Humans don't act on instinct >Muh reason vs instinct >There isnt some reason in instinct

Anonymous Sat Apr 27 18:12:42 2019 No.13016899
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On the 22nd of April Peterson gave a talk to the Heritage Foundation, it is heavily funded by the Koch brothers.

Last year he gave a talk to the Manhattan Institute, also funded by the Kochs.

On his twitter he regularly cites HumanProgress. HumanProgress is a project of some sort of The Cato Institute. Charles Koch founded and continues to heavily fund The Cato Institute.

He also cites the Institute for Humane Studies - Charles Koch has been the chairman of its board since the 1970s and between 2005-2017 donated 34 million dollars to it.

Peterson broke into the mainstream at Rebel Media. Rebels founder Ezra Levant did his college internship at the Charles Koch Foundation, later he worked at the Fraser Institute the Kochs principal think tank in Canada, it has received donations from Daniel Pipes racist Middle East Forum which has in turn received donations from Donors Capital Fund a 'blind trust' that the Kochs and others use to make anonymous donations to islamophobic groups and climate change denial groups.

What is the deal with the Koch Brothers and Jordan B. Peterson?

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>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 18:16:42 2019 No.13016918 >>13015073 >>The funding for libraries keeps being cut And yet you support politicians who advocate for cuts to public services, curious. >>neoliberal bougeois "activism" This word salad is a contradiction in terms.

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>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 18:18:51 2019 No.13016934 >>13016899 i knew there was a koch behind him somewhere

Anonymous Sat Apr 27 18:20:33 2019 No.13016944
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>>13016899
>>13016934
Oh fuck I forgot one, sorry I've been asleep:

He has attended Turning Point USA events. TPUSA receives funding from 4 different Koch funded groups.
Other Koch funded pundits have also attended.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 18:22:22 2019 No.13016955 the kochs are based

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 18:23:13 2019 No.13016963 >>13016911 Man, I really hate that he crammed the word "support" in there three times

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 18:24:04 2019 No.13016967 >>13016955 No they're not.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 18:24:08 2019 No.13016970 >>13015112 blood meridian

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 18:25:06 2019 No.13016975 File: 30 KB, 410x392, weird.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13016944 >Who should we have addressing young women about leadership? >Um... Jordan Peterson?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 18:29:34 2019 No.13016990 >>13015124 You'd have to be a preoccupied sex addict to think anything in the bible is erotica, nigger. Stop masturbating.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 18:29:46 2019 No.13016993 >>13016975 They also had Ben Shapiro and Dave Rubin.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 18:31:23 2019 No.13016998 File: 55 KB, 555x541, orangutan hrm.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13016993 >Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro, and Dave Rubin address a Young Womens Leadership Forum wtf

Anonymous Sat Apr 27 18:34:41 2019 No.13017009

>>13015073
Chomsky and Foucault might've put out better work, but their debate wasn't good. They just talked past each other.

With these two, they found points of agreement throughout the process and reached a better mutual understanding (well, Peterson got to understand Zizek better, mostly because he was completely off at the beginning).

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 18:36:46 2019 No.13017017 >>13016998 They get paid to attend That keeps them spouting shit the Kochs like to hear

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 18:37:48 2019 No.13017027 >>13017009 Zizek destroyed Peterson, he was left looking like a fool and his own fans were embarrassed and began seriously questioning his validity Don't try to gaslight what happened

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 18:50:19 2019 No.13017088 >>13017027 Yes, Peterson got to understand Zizek after going in knowing nothing. Dunno why you presume I have a horse in this race, that you'd feel the need to spin it into a win for one of them, when not much of worth came of it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 18:52:28 2019 No.13017093 File: 130 KB, 1024x429, 2011b.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13017088 I'd rather have two people present contrasting opinions and not learn anything then watch one person get a lecture of Marxism and Hegel from the other

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 18:53:17 2019 No.13017097 >>13015090 /thread /thread

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 19:00:51 2019 No.13017136 >>13017093 JUST Also, how did he get thinner on a meat-based diet?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 19:02:51 2019 No.13017147 >>13015102 > he doesn't know /lit/ is basically a somewhat less retarded /pol/ at this point.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 19:31:45 2019 No.13017307 have public intellectuals ever been intellectual?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 19:33:10 2019 No.13017314 >>13017307 Intellectualism is a false ideal.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 19:33:39 2019 No.13017319 >>13017307 the public intellectuals 40-50 years ago were people like Derrida, Foucault, Baudrillard, etc so yes. the public intellectual died around the 90s.

Anonymous Sat Apr 27 19:36:43 2019 No.13017332

>>13017319
>Derrida
Peddler of nonsense. This guy and his "philosophy" is pretty much what brought the whole thing crashing down. Maybe it was for the best. I've come to find in intellectuals so distasteful that I've become sympathetic to the Khmer Rouge.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 19:47:25 2019 No.13017385 >>13015769 How can you talk about the implications of sex without including a sex scene you dunce

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 28 00:42:19 2019 No.13018744 >>13015081 This. I’ve also decided that I like Tao Lin’s writing, and he’s under 45

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 28 00:44:50 2019 No.13018751 >>13015081 It IS a masterpiece you fucking animal.

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