/lit/ - Literature

Why is this on the literature board?

for better or worse, you grow out of it.

>If you've ever smoked weed, you know what I'm talking about.
lmao Im about to light up, just finished rolling
it will be my 7000th joint or something like that, been smoking for almost a decade
yeah
the effects are completely different now

It's the opium of the masses

>>13005505
no, that would opium

>>13005462
This is true. Weed especially has diminishing returns.

>>13005436
The few times you get high will be the best, and you can easily slip into daily usage trying to chase them. Be careful, cannibis is not the wonder drug people may have told you it is.

>>13005462
As long as it's still enjoyable

remember that feeling, because its going to disappear but you will keep smoking out of inertia. Remember and then quit it when you no longer feel it

>>13005565
follow this man's advice OP, 10 years on running and im still chasing that dragon, god I miss those years

>>13005533
>>13005585
>>13005565
I'm aware of that.
But still...
You almost feel like life has a meaning during the first times.
I also doubt that other drugs are like weed. Marijuana is really special. I could finally understand why so many people who are into philosophy and art smoke weed.

>>13005516
>>13005533
>>13005585
>>13005565
I prefer it now after 10 or more years. Worries melt away and I can still do stuff.

>>13005615
>I also doubt that other drugs are like weed
have you tried LSD or opiates? weed does not even scratch the surface of what is possible

>>13005615
Are you 15? Please stop smoking weed. I have permanently fucked my brain development because of it and while I can still function in a day to day I can tell my cognitive abilities are below average which hurts my ability to engage with my interests, ironically, art and philosophy.

Stop smoking weed. Please.

>>13005615
"*hits bong* dude, we are like living in the Matrix n' shit lmao" is not philosophy no matter how much you want to pretend that it is.

>>13005627
LSD is on an entirely different plane and I have tried it a few times myself, but there is nothing like having a mystical religious experience while sober.

>>13005667
Meant for >>13005630

Heroin is the only reason I want to live.

>>13005630
Yes, shrooms once. 5g.
But I had what people call a "bad trip" sot it wasn't enjoyable at all. I was 18, 6 years ago. Felt terrible, there was no such a thing as "time", people were nothing but animals. I couldn't understand my language....it was terrifying.

>>13005644
Calm down. I DON'T SMOKE WEED. I SMOKED ONCE. I don't plan on making it an habit. I'm not 15.

>>13005646
Didn't say it is. Just said I could understand them.

I also disagree that weed and psychedelics are useless. They can be used as tools.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPQSLSc_rA4

>>13005678
Are you an addict? I imagine heroin as a weed 10000 times more potent.

bump

I've achieved a lot professionally while being a weed smoker for the past 10 years, and becoming a daily smoker for the past 5. If weed makes you dumb, then i should be so dumb that i wouldn't be able to speak 11 languages, but that's not the case.
If weed makes you stupid, that's because you are stupid. It all depends on yourself and how you handle it.
Don't get on high horse just because you don't do drugs. We all have vices.

>>13005644
>im a brainlet but ill blame the weed for that
nigga plz

Smoke as much drugs as possible all the time

I love hotboxing in a handicap bathroom and just clouding out in there man with like a whole blunt to the dome right then and there and then some vaping or one hitter for when i'm washing and drying my hands in the little bathrooms they put in there and when i come out I always like to act super non chalant as I step over queues of strollers and distracted moms who do not even recognize that the weird smells are not eliminatory in nature and are in fact a chemically active cloud now enveloping their wee ones, slipping into their tiny lungs and creeping into their aveoli and into their blood stream where they too can enjoy the spread love of green crack or presidential og

>>13006153
dis nigga gets it
dont smoke ice or speed or crack tho

>>13005436
So it begins.
>>13005615
That is where a lot of the problems come from: when people feel their life is meaningless without weed.
>it's special
It isn't.
>>13005644
It fucked mine up too. Hope you don't like reading, OP. It'll fuck that up in a hurry.
>>13005699
Ask anyone who has smoked weed for a long time when it was they decided to start smoking every day for years and years.
I bet none of them can give you an answer, because none of them did. It just kinda spirals without your conscious knowledge of the implications.
Judging from your first post, you love it way too much to convince me it's a one time deal.

>>13006158
Suburbanites are cast away by the aroma of Cannibus. They split up into a circumfrence about 5 to 6 feet away of the said stoner, pointing and gossiping at you for social farthings. You shall be wise to plan ahead. when partaking in the devils lettuce,never be in olfactory range around those placid, no good, suburbanites.

>>13006181
>i cant read anymore because im stupid
>weed makes you stupid
I started smoking daily on the 28th of December 2013. Happy?

>>13006167
Those are for experts only

>>13006181
>Ask anyone who has smoked weed for a long time when it was they decided to start smoking every day for years and years.
I perfectly remember the day i became an almost daily smoker. I went to buy weed with a friend to guy at college. After getting the weed i bought a wooden pipe (which i lost some months after) outside the campus. I got home, ground the weed (idk how you actually say it in english), put it in the pipe and smoked it. So that was around 6 pm one particular day of august 2013. I basically started smoking daily because i was able to get the weed myself.

>>13005436
>tfw my gf's bull always cheechs me out with a fat blunt before he plows her
whenever he hands me the blunt and asks me to finish it for him, its implied that he and my girlfriend are going off to their genitalian grappling

>>13006181
>It fucked mine up too. Hope you don't like reading
I'd say it varies by person.
I started smoking every day beginning two years before I graduated HS and still got a 93% and my learning and reading ability were not impaired.
Though I did get a collapsed lung just after graduating and also developed habits for other drugs; it definitely affects people in different ways but I never regret those glorious years of smoking every day after school.

>>13006134
There is a particular risk if use begins at a young age.
Early marijuana use arrests brain development:
>Among early-onset users, continued years of MJ use and current MJ consumption were associated with thicker cortex.... Late-onset users exhibited the opposite pattern. This divergence was observed in all three morphological measures in the anterior dorsolateral frontal cortex (p<.05, FWE-corrected).
>....divergence with continued use for many years thereafter suggests altered trajectories of brain maturation during late adolescence and beyond.
https://sci-hub tw/https://www.sciencedirect com/science/article/pii/S1878929315000912?via%3Dihub

>Longitudinal investigations show a consistent association between adolescent cannabis use and psychosis.Cannabis use is considered a preventable risk factor for psychosis. The link between cannabis use and schizophrenia could stem from direct causality, gene-environment interactions, shared etiology, or self-medication for premorbid symptoms, although some researchers have suggested that only the first 3 hypotheses remain open questions.
https://sci-hub tw/https://www.ncbi nlm nih gov/pubmed/26842658

Long term use may knock 6 points off your IQ: Pic related
https://sci-hub tw/https://www.ncbi nlm nih gov/pmc/articles/PMC3479587/

>>13006225
My point is that it isn't really a conscious decision in the sense that a person doesn't smoke once and say to themselves "yeah, I'm gonna do this daily for the next 3 to 5." At least I didn't. I never knew anyone who did. And I definitely didn't think I would be so complacent with how it affected my behavior - the things that were acceptable when crime became part of my daily life. Including using other drugs. Sure, not everyone is the same. But you don't know if you'll be part of that statistic or not when just starting.
>>13006266
I can read now, I just couldn't when I was smoking all the time. Didn't have the attention span.

Friendly reminder that a solid 25% of young marijuana smokers develop psychosis, mania, or even bipolar disorder or schizophrenia.

Cannabis is the nigger of drugs.

>>13006386
I can confirm this. After I started smoking my life fucking sucked. Admittedly it's not weed's fault it was mental illness.

>>13005615
If you want to feel life, understand it's why, what is everything, try some shrooms, in the right setting. Might be enlightening. For me it was

Fuck cannabis.
Take the tobacco pill.

>people ITT literally refrain from 420 blazing right tf now and binging on delivery pizza, electronic multiplayer video games and 4K pornography

>>13006432
Even worse suggestion than smoking pot every day. I don't even need to bring out the studies on tobacco because you're already aware of them I'm sure.
>nic is a stimulant that acts like a stimulant
Enlightening to no one. The very obvious addiction potential and hazardous methods of administration, combined with a short biological half life of about 20 minutes, makes for a seriously bad habit. Even the empirically safest methods (gum, lozenges etc) have issues with long term use. And ofc vaping is still quite young. Nicotine itself has safety issues regardless of method. Namely, cardiovascular effects due to the vasoconstrictive properties of nicotine.
That's something else I wish I never let into my life. It stuck around for a lot longer too.

>>13005436
>felt like I was in heaven
>why can't life be like this
>can't achieve while sober

You can achieve this while sober it just takes more thinking and wisdom than you currently have.

The path to enlightenment was paved with conscious thought, respect and humbleness.

I wish it was the same.
>Be me, 15 year old kid with a natural interest in/talent for music
>Discover weed
>It opens up a whole new world of music
>I become engaged in stuff I would have considered weird before, all while having fun with my friends
>I start creating my own music, stuff I'm really proud of
>Go to Uni
>Meet a nice smoker, we have almost everything in common
>He becomes the best friend I've ever had
>He has a huge crush on the only friend I had coming into college (she introduced us)
>We all smoke and laugh together, he introduces me to psychedelics
>Eventually he becomes possessive over our female friend
>Constantly putting me down to kiss her ass, trying to ditch me so he can have "alone time" with her, even though she's not romantically interested in him
>Stealing weed from me so he can give it to her out of "kindness," telling her personal secrets I told him in confidence, etc.
>He tells me I'm mentally ill whenever I tell him this stuff hurts my feelings or criticize him
>Realize he's just charismatic with sociopathic tendencies, putting on fake personalities in order to manipulate people.
I eventually had a mental breakdown and lost all my friends to him. I don't trust anyone and I can't smoke weed anymore. It just reminds me. I can't even make music anymore. I've lost that sense of wonder. Please be careful with drugs, kids.

>>13006705
Lol, I had a similar situation, but I was the one trying to get a girl high so I could kiss her and lose my kiss virginity. She went out with me a couple times but she would always bring her literal faggot friend with her, and they were always talking to each other, but there were a few times where the faggot would leave us alone, but she just wouldn't let me kiss her. She wanted to talk first, she wanted to get to know me, but I'm such a fucking loser. Anyway, it didn't work out. She didn't kiss me. I'll never see her again because she was fired from her job. I'm still a kissless virgin at 23. Fucking bitch. She wanted me to "conquer" her. Fucking whore. I should've raped her, then killed.

>>13005644
This is only true if you abuse it. I smoked a bit when I was around that age and I'm fine. My old high school friends that never stopped are all retarded burnouts though.

I took some drugs once, but after they wore off I forgot what they were like so I had to take them again

Weed is fucking garbage. Drug experiences are not as subjective as people like to think they are. You drink, you get drunk. You do meth, you tweak. There is no variation - it’s all biology. Weed smokers are just low IQ retards that aren’t alarmed by lapses in memory or judgement because they already have none whereas high IQ people like me are constantly fighting the effects of marijuana rather than enjoying it.

>>13005644
Lmao my ex smoked three times a day and read like a mad woman, almost aced her SATs without practicing and generally was very well educated, the effects of weed are temporary and go away once you stop smoking for awhile, you are using weed as an excuse to slack off and not improve yourself or you are born with something holding you back but if you think you are being held back then already I doubt that you are because most people with diminished brain function aren't aware of their predicament and instead think everyone else is dumb or that they know everything, I smoked weed three times a day while we were together, haven't touched it since we broke up, I read and study more than I ever have before and retain information better due to my newfound interest in studying. The only possible thing I can think of happening here is if you smoked while at a critical point in your life - yet my ex smoked during early teen years so I sincerely doubt this is the case.

>>13005436
>Why is it that by putting chemicals in our brain we can achieve such a heavenly state of mind that we can't achieve while sober?
Pharmacology isn't necessarily a simple subject. In my life I've tried (in approximately the order I tried them first) alcohol, weed, tobacco, acid, one4b, nitrous oxide, DXM, magic mushroom (psilocybe cubensis), salvia, codeine, ecstasy, 5-MeO-DiPT, 5-MeO-DMT, nutmeg, poppy tea, 5-MeO-AMT, methamphetamine, cocaine, cactus, ketamine, fentanyl, magic mushroom (amanita)... e, methamphetamine, fentanyl, ketamine and 5-MeO-AMT intravenously. I am preparing for a big night next week where I'm gonna take amanita (picked) and psilocybe cubensis (which I grow), after two hours take 280mg DXM (the one time I tried DXM and p cubensis the DXM clobbered the p cubensis and I couldn't tell I'd taken it, so I'll see if I can experience the mushrooms for a bit and maybe they'll get clobbered when the DXM kicks in), then take some salvia (which I grow) as tea and smoked, all while drinking beer and popping a few nitrous (I find beer stops heavy trips like this from flying too out of control).

>>13007011
Isn't amanita really toxic by default? How do you treat it to make it safer? I've been interested in amanita for a while due to its association with religion.

>>13006766
Based. Better yet, get her pregnant, keep her tied up in your apartment until the child is born, then rape the child in front of her and kill both.

Here's a tip-- if you have a high verbal IQ and smoke pit, you're really playing roulette with losing your mind to psychosis permanently. don't care that it's legal. Ask any Dr. who does psychopharmacology if they'd rather deal with a psych patient who has been using opiods for 15 years of pot, and every one will take the opioids. Whatever the physical DTs are from opioids, it isn't neurotoxic or known to cause permanent psychosis, as pot can in those with a genetic inclination toward it.
If you are stupid, it doesn't matter. If you are in the high 90s in percentile on SAT Verbal ACT reading, LSAT, etc.., then you are asking for fucking trouble. And once you go there, no one can get you out. You'd be better off copping a heroin addiction assuming you snort it and have someone around with narcan.

>>13007011
>fentanyl,
congrats, you're the embodiment of the fucking reason no one can get opiod scripts anyone. "I'm completely opiod naive, let me try fent.." brainless scumbag.

>>13007425
I feel this. I recently shatter my tibia in a pilon fracture and even then the doctor was hesitant to give me opioids for more than a few weeks. Fucking addicts ruining everything

>>13005436
>we can achieve such a heavenly state of mind that we can't achieve while sober?
sure you can, it just takes a lot more effort than consuming some chemicals and last a lot longer

>>13005678
Based

Not everyone deserves her.

>>13007417

A couple of years ago when me and some friends were foodstamp bums and smoking weed on the regular in some moldy, cat/bedbug infested mobile home we were all living in the girl in our group got paranoid and thought we were all plotting against her. She was as dumb as a rock. She got hospitalized and all that. Dark times.

>>13007417
Threadly reminder to all: Fuck Busters
Encircle and seize for scalps like Custer's
Narcs and Pinkertons will rue most this day
Their boipuccis gape 'till they relent, "Gay!"

420 whoooooooo

>>13005436
>people who react to drugs like this
I wish I had genetics that actually put out when it came to dopamine, the only drugs Ive had thats worth a damn are opiates and psychadellics, tranquilizers suck, alcohol is a pointless sedative that makes shitty sitcoms enjoyable, cocaine is a fucking waste of money that only exist for drinking more and making you feel bummed out, meth in all its shitty forms is a shitty more effective cousin to coffee, nicotine is what dipshits think nootropics are going to do for them, khat is not the crazy PCP drug despite memos from the imperialist american military say, its coffee with nicotine in the form of chewing like coca leaves

>>13007417
>dumb niggers who think people in psychosis still smoke pot after their schizophrenia kicks in

>>13005436
That's nothing. Wait until you try heroin.

>Why can't life life itself be more like this?
Because when you're high you're pretty much a useless human being. Even worse than useless, junkies usually end up costing taxpayers money.

>>13005436
>Why is it that by putting chemicals in our brain we can achieve such a heavenly state of mind that we can't achieve while sober?
Have you ever heard of that experiment where they hooked up a lever to an electrode attached to the reward center of the brain of rats. Every time the rat pulled the lever, they had the equivalent of an orgasm.

The rats kept pushing that lever until they starved to death, they ignored food and females entirely. While weed works in a different way on the brain, it can still cause a similar overwhelming euphoric effect.

This state of mind is very bad for survival, nature will select against it. This is why we are never in it all the time and need foreign substances to "hack" our brains in to that state, we evolved a brain to deal with reality and solve survival problems, not feel all good and mystical. Some scientists argue that is why cannabis contains cannabinoids in the first place, it's basically a kind of self-defense toxin to cause psychotic behavior in the creatures that eat it.

Also be very careful of the weed high, in general by inducing a state of being satisfied and content with life, one's mental guards are lowered considerably. That is why every idea sounds like the best idea ever, and every song sounds like the best song ever. The bliss is literally ignorance on a neurological level.

This ignorance isn't always a bad thing, since it allows you to ignore things holding you back, which is great for creativity, but as others have said, chasing this can cause you to become numb to the effect. If I had to put myself in your position and give advice to myself knowing what I know now, I'd strongly advise you set some rules or have some form of discipline regarding this habit. If you want to preserve that which so many claims to have lost in this thread, it is very important to leave a few days, preferably a few weeks, between smoking to give your body and mind time to recover and not adapt or get used to being in a chronic state of being intoxicated.

P.S. Look forward to your first bad trip.

>>13007958
Bad trips are fun as fuck in hindsight

>>13007958
rats in a shitty cage, stick those rats in a rat friendly environment and they barely give a shit

>>13007970
Only in hindsight though :^)

>>13007988
Sauce?

>>13008005
cocaine study, google it/lexis nexis it faggot

>>13008005
Yeah nasty at the time, but like a nightmare they're interesting to think about. Can be beneficial to learn from.

weed makes you a loser

i wasted 8 of my best learning years on it. got out of the habit thank god

>>13008038
youre a loser if weed manages to fuck up your life

>>13007914
>hink people in psychosis still smoke pot after their schizophrenia kicks in
It can CAUSE psychosis you dumb fuck. It can cause it, then you don't come back. I saw it during my residency, there was a new study out of the uk 2 weeks ago, it's absolutely real. Fucking retards with their weed don't want to admit what it does to some people, the type of jo romaine idiot "hey, you can build a car out of hemp!" fucking idiots.

>>13006386
[friendly citation needed]

>>13007508
>Fuck Busters
>Encircle and seize for scalps like Custer's
Fuck face, when I gave a warning to specifically "smart people," what on earth makes you think I meant you? You, you smoke it all fucking day, take it pill form, see it you can synthesize it down to something where you can inject it. Psychosis can't make you a bigger asshole. Imagine, you're in /lit/, Id bet my ass you haven't memorized a single Yeats or Dryden or Keats poem, but you did remember that.
>>>>>>>>>oven

>>13007011

you definitly have a problem

>>13008057
>does to some people
exactly, people predisposed to mental illness, its like yelling that alcohol causes suicidal ideation in people with chronic depression, good job telling everyone youre a fucking quack of a doctor

>>13008075
>people predisposed to mental illness
Can you fucking rad? apparently not, And you're the one sitting there telling me "pot doesn't have any neurotoxic effects. Let's go back and look:
"....as pot can in those with a genetic inclination toward it."
Still there fucko, go look.
>>>>>>>>>oven

>>13008016
The burden of proof lies with the person making the claim. It is generally a matter of courtesy to provide the data supporting your claims.

Anyway, I never would have found what you were referring to if I didn't ask because I wouldn't have been looking for the "cocaine" keyword.

I'm assuming you are referring to the Rat Park series of experiments. While the studies do show environment has an impact on drug addiction, it is described in terms of "less or more likely", not "prevents or causes".

That aside I was referring to Brain Stimulation Reward, which works by directly stimulating the brain with an electric current, which is not the same as consuming the drug, it has a much more powerful effect and doesn't have other side-effects that a consumable like cocaine laced water would have, such as satiety.

Stop being such a stupid cunt.

You'll never get that feeling of euphoria you felt on the first time

You'll never feel that electric feeling of showering with your s/o for the first time again

It's all gone now.

>>13008084
your phd doesnt change the fact youre a moron Dr cleetus >>>rope

>>13008103
>the fact youre a moron
What part of I was never talking to you" did you not get? I also love how you're obviously a spic, you canc early tell I'm white so the best you can do is "Cletus." Good one, miguel. You also revealed yourself to be a complete fucking idiot unable to comprehend a simple paragraph. Anyone with an ounce of dignity would leave. Not you though. Now get back to cutting the lawn. and you can smoke as much pot as you want while doing it.
>>>>>>>oven

>>13008103
>your phd
Oh, also my dear friend, an "M.D." is very different from a Phd.
>>>>>>>>>.oven (a third time)

>>13008098
>blatantly compare sticking electrodes to drugs
>calls other anon stupid for referencing a drug study that btfo your pseud pontificating
I wish I was as dumb as you, Id have fun being alienated and having no culture outside of starbucks

>>13008114
>If I get angrier people wont notice Im retarded and only went to medical school to prove the bullies in elementary school wrong

>>13008048
i agree. tried all drugs (more or less) but weed was my drug of choice. set me far behind. weed makes you a loser. everybody who smokes weed or defend weeds are losers.

>>13008122
>>blatantly compare sticking electrodes to drugs
I can't do your thinking for you, if you can't see the connection then that isn't my problem.
>>calls other anon stupid for referencing a drug study that btfo your pseud pontificating
The fact that you think it is "a study" shows you never even bothered doing even the bare minimum of googling yourself.
>I wish I was as dumb as you, Id have fun being alienated and having no culture outside of starbucks
You'll never reach my level of intelligence, don't worry.

>>13005436
>be me
>16
>smoke weed for the first time, keep going for a few days in a row
>develop chronic anxiety and depersonalisation

The depersonalisation eventually went away but the anxiety is still there after all the years. I know there are probably some underage anons reading this. Please be careful with weed. If it's your first time, try taking indica only, and generally avoid drugs before your twenties. If you really wanna try a drug, make it MDMA. If you follow a few core safety rules, it's basically harmless and also a very enriching experience.

>>13008143
>all those millionaire potheads are losers because I cant manage my own life

>If you've ever smoked weed, you know what I'm talking about.
I've only been high once, a month or so ago. It was a nightmarish hellscape. Evidently some people get psychedelic-like effects. I started viscerally hating myself and believed my friends were laughing at me or something, and kept seeing shapes/patterns that I was convinced were extremely important and related to my earliest memories somehow. As far as the physical effects, whenever I moved my hand it didn't until a few moments later, also my head was locked on an axis and I couldn't really move it from side to side easily, only up and down in a tilted position I had it in.

Anyway I plan to do a lot more drugs. I've been getting extremely hyped up about psychedelics. I'm definitely a skeptic/materialist or whatever you want to call it though. But I want those feelings of profundity anyway.

>>13008185
If you reacted that way to weed, psychedelics will definitely fuck you up for good. Be careful anon.

>>13008153
>The fact that you think it is "a study"
There was a new study in..pretty sure "The Lancet" last month on pot and psychosis. It was in UK academia. And they have no reason to lie, the lobby and all the money is on the other side.

>the fucking untermensch ITT that cant handle pot of all the things in this world

>>13005436
I used to smoke weed a lot as a teenager. It wasn't heavenly at all. I felt like people were laughing at me and talking about me behind my back. I also became really self critical to the point where I thought the way I breathed and walked was weird and that this justified my friends laughing at me (even though they weren't). The last time I did it was after a bad trip I had where I felt as if my lower jaw had disconnected and was spinning around my head so fast that it would cut my hand off if I touched it.
I've got to admit though, music and art become so more vivid and beautiful when you're stoned. That's the only good part of it.

>>13008198
I'm not sure what your point is or how it is relevant.

>>13008182
There are no millionaire potheads lmao. Elon Musk didn't even know how to inhale. He obviously never smoked anything. Unless you idolize seth rogan or snoop dogg (and you probably do faggot) all stoners are losers. People with real output don't smoke. so stop smoking loser.

>>13008217
> I also became really self critical to the point where I thought the way I breathed and walked was weird and that this justified my friends laughing at me (even though they weren't)
exactly, spot on my experience
holy shit

>>13005436
If your dumbass smokes it once a year it should be alright, but no you'll be a junkie.

Smoked weed until had a psychosis. Took me two years to feel normal after that. Never again.

>>13005436
That's crazy man, have you ever tried DMT?

>>13008239
if you dont smoke because it will literally ruin your life and not because its a pointless distraction you have nigger-tier genetics and should off yourself before you get your stink in the gene pool

>>13008249
same shit pointless distractions makes you a loser long term. Don't you have a joe rogan podcast to catch bro?

>>13008259
>watches as you shriek in existential terror as I light one hitter and blow smoke in your face

>>13008228
>I'm not sure what your point is or how it is relevant.
You're claiming there isn't a study. There is. As for the retards here, no one (at least not me0 wants to come to your house and take away your pot. If you want to..huff petrol, drink antifreeze, try skydiving without a parachute, no one can "stop" you. But that doesn't mean people can't warn those who haven't already destroyed themselves.

>>13005436

Sadness and pain are wonderful things, man, and happiness and joy can be just as detrimental to well-being. There's comfort in sadness, and strength in pain. Happiness and joy are boring platitudes unless they are found in relation to sadness and pain (e.g., the joy of food is so much greater after being lost in the woods for a night, vs having it all the time). Joy can also be cruel, because when problems arise, it encourages people to make light of and thus invalidate your struggle (e.g., people saying dont' worry be happy to everything. Oh your car got totaled, hey, well, look on the bright side! You're alive!).

The reason why it's so heavenly is because it's just different. A different state of mind. It may be one with less bad emotions, but it's not ascending to some godly happy realm. Smoke every day all day and come back in a month, tell me how good you feel. Take xanax every day for a month. Drink alcohol all day for a month. etc etc. Well being is a confluence of biological, psychological, and social factors all tied up in the existential concepts we create for ourselves (i.e., raison d'etre). Attempting to bypass these three and a raison d'etre by blunt forcing the biological option is going to fuck you over, just like forcing the other two in a singular fashion will. Smoke every here and there but trust me, it will wreck your shit hard if you let it take over.

t. someone who grew knowing a shitton of drug users, from poor crackheads to rich academic over achievers

>>13007007
I posted a study in PNAS earlier showing broad IQ decline in people who had used cannabis, even with relative infrequency, that did not improve over time. The severity of the decline is proportional to the amount/duration used. It isn't a large enough decline for most people to notice, which is probably why we see so many saying "I'm totally fine," the effect at maximum was an 8 point by decline by midlife for the users who started earliest and continued the longest.
The main point here being though, that the effect did not reverse when the subjects stopped using. It was permanent.
>8 points at worse? Not even one SD!
It at least tells us that something negative is happening. The control group (never users) showed an increase in IQ by midlife; all user groups showed a decrease by midlife.
Ctrl+F "may knock 6 points off" to find the link ITT

>>13007417
This got me paranoid. I never smoked before March of this year, and I have spent this last month and a half semi-high (I would smoke one night, and feel a slight buzz/warmth the coming three days. That warmth felt better than the actual high, because everything suddenly became more beautiful and peaceful). I remember being scared of losing my mind to this stuff, but haven't seen any long term adverse effects yet. Guess I'll have to drop the weed, and break my alcohol-virginity instead.

Yep, it was "The Lancet:"
"A study published recently in The Lancet Psychiatry has found significantly increased odds of first psychotic episodes in individuals who smoke marijuana daily and/or who smoke high potency (THC > 10%) cannabis. This was a well-designed study with multiple sites in Europe and Brazil and a sample size of 2,138 (901 patients with psychotic episodes and 1,237 population controls from the same sites).

https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/significant-impact/201903/new-risks-in-smoking-marijuana-especially-high-potency-weed

>>13005436
>we can't achieve while sober
We can, though. Well, you can't because you're a degenerate, but I can.

Sadly, that's not forever.

>>13008270
>You're claiming there isn't a study.
I could have phrased it better, so my apologies for that, but technically I never claimed there is no study, just that what you referenced me is not "a study". What you referenced me was a series of studies using a different methodology investigating a related but different phenomenon than the one I was talking about. These are called the Rat Park studies, and includes the initial set and then recreation and variations performed later, which for the most part confirmed the initial findings, but not in all cases.

It's not quite so black and white as "a drug study that btfo your pseud pontificating" and phrasing it like that indicates that you lack an understanding of the dangers and pitfalls of making such simplistic claims based on evidence of this nature and that I have done more research on this topic since this thread started than you have in total.

You also missed my point in giving the example of BSR in the first place: any neural network, including a human's, can be easily be made to deviate from its evolved normal state of being and behaviour by introducing foreign elements to the nervous system. Electrodes, weed, cocaine, coffee, even refined and processed foods, all have this effect on humans to some degree or another. And that is why weed makes you feel good(and bad), it fucks with your brain neurochemistry in a way our evolution never intended for it to operate, so to speak. BSR is just a very vivid and extreme example to demonstrate the universality of this general phenomenon.

However if you only talk about the negatives of weed, then you are biased. There are positives to it, and just like I warned about the dangers of it, I also pointed out the benefits, and the need for discipline in one's approach to using weed as means to find balance between the pros and cons. Obviously there is more than can be said on this balance, I was just talking about the neurological dimension to it.

Once you realize that stoners are literally the lowest possible shelf of the lowest people, you’ll stop.

>>13008413
>ust that what you referenced me is not "a study"
Fair enough, but see the "Lancet Article" above, which you can get two through the psychology today link that I left. I forgot if one needs a subscription to read the lancet, I can get it at work later if anyone here really wants to see it. But the psych today article does a good job of touching the major points. Would you say that qualifies as a "study?"
This is what I can't stand about pot users, and I'm not necessarily talking about you since I don't know you. If you ee heroin users in their 30s and 40s, each time they meet a younger kid in their late teens and 20s who is messing with it, without fail they tell them: "GET AWAY FROM IT, IT WILL RUIN YOUR LIFE. GET OFF IT NOW AND LIVE A GOOD LIFE."
but pot users are like a fuckign cult in that many actively try to recruit as many new users as possible. Can SOME handle it without adverse effects? Yes, but then again a few studies have sown people who were abe to deal heroin with no addiction, the key being to only doing on weekends with the exact same group of people and ritualizing it. But you will never, ever hear a heroin user trying to "recruit" new members.

>>13008102
Showering while high is fantastic.

Shit gives me anxiety, im more of a drunk. Its more /lit/ anyway

>>13008282
>Sadness and pain are wonderful things

Why do you guys always say this shit? Is it because you, like all of us, know nothing about the world, don't know why we suffer so you give simple answers. We shouldn't suffer at all. That's why life is so shitty.
Fuck off.

I've tried cannabis twice, once in a bong and once in a blunt. Neither got me high

>>13008242
Do you have social anxiety or something like that? I heard that weed amplifies those types of mental illnesses.

>>13008539

Read a book nigger

>>13008636
No, you should read a book, /pol/tard.

>>13008437
To be honest with you I'm with you on the "pot cult" thing. I use pot and have stoner friends that admittedly aren't "culty", but I always find myself the only only one saying anything bad about smoking pot. I myself am very cautious about advocating pot use, especially for people who's brains are still developing, so basically anyone under 25. Studies have shown long term pot use during neuro-formative years has a permanent long term detrimental effect on memory recollection and intelligence and promotes the formation or exacerbation of many mental disorders and conditions.

My personal experiences with pot heads, both current and past users, only confirms this. They keep telling me the same stories over and over, and the one guy I'm pretty sure is some kind of schizo-something he keeps hidden well enough but now I'm keeping a distance from him.

I was the only person in my family against giving another family member cannabis oil for (chronic) stroke since there was no science to support such a treatment. Sadly, it turns out I should have pushed that point harder since I later learned too late cannabinoids can actually exacerbate certain chronic stroke conditions.

That is why I also warned OP about the "bliss" from weed being literally ignorance. Your brain's critical thinking ability is greatly hampered while high, being unable to see the negative in things is a fundamental contributor to this. Obviously it's a bit more complicated and involved than this, but that is a big part of what I believe is going on most of the time while high, and part of what is responsible for what draws people back to weed.

Fortunately, mainstream science is starting to clear up some of the FUD surrounding what is known or not about the effects of cannabis use, but it will probably be several decades before all the smoke has cleared.

Myself and a grill I really liked (possibly loved) used to smoke weed a ton together, and watch movies and hang out, but I just could not work up the guts to ask her out (I did fuck her however) and now I'm stuck in a limbo of late nights, poor sleeping patterns and self-medication.

I can't really tell whether weed is having a detrimental effect on my cognitive abilities or not, I now smoke every day because I can't face the thought of living without something to take the edge off. I don't think my ability to concentrate on books, films or music is much worse but I do feel myself becoming intensely fatigued at some point throughout the day, and I'll nap for a few hours if I feel sad and there's nothing I'm interested in doing

>>13008734
kek, I been there, never really got over it, or at least I never found something as good as those times to replace it with

when I DO get on my shit, I celebrate with weed and just put myself back in that headspace, that limbo.

get out while you can bro, or you'll spend years unconsciously pining for a time that's dead and gone

>>13008663
>but it will probably be several decades before all the smoke has cleared.
nice

>>13008663
faggots shouldn't ever be given drugs lmao

just do drugs or don't, but don't whine about them over a 5 paragraph post

>>13008734
> I don't think my ability to concentrate on books, films or music is much worse but I do feel myself becoming intensely fatigued at some point throughout the day, and I'll nap for a few hours if I feel sad and there's nothing I'm interested in doing

get out of my head

>>13005436
Thanks for reminding me never to touch w**d

>>13005436

Won´t be like that forever. If you do see it that way, learn how to control yourself. There´s this thing called addiction.

>>13005436
i cant smoke weed anymore. it makes me even more anxious and self conscious than when being sober. sometimes i got panic attacks.

>>13008760
>stop making meaningful posts
Dude weed lmao

>>13006286
so if I only smoked a few times between the age of 19 and 22, my brain isn't going to do the big shrinky shrink?

>>13009072
fairly sure all the significant damages weed can do to the brain happen over a long period of time. You should be fine

>the fucking untermenschen ITT who spend their free time smoking weed of all things

>>13008663
>I was the only person in my family against giving another family member cannabis oil for (chronic) stroke since there was no science to support such a treatment
I have my mother on Cannabis Oil for everything wrong with her. Against y direct advice, my older brother, the bight hollywood prick, knows everything so got it for her. Problem is, when he's off in other nations on movie sets, I am only 45 mins away so I GE TTHE FUCKING CALL that she "thinks someone is spying on her cell phone." How do you even begin to handle that? And, again,vor this I put a big part of the blame like idiots above who use things like fent recreationally, because but for all the OD and every doctor scared shitless, they'd have given her a more powerful opiate ad would not be going through this shit.
At this point, despite it being unethical, thinking about either writing her for a stronger opiate or writing it in my ants name, bc the fucking paranoia gets worse by the dat, and my fuckign older sister is useless and my fuckhead brother is oblivious off promoting his new movie. and I AM STUCK wit the insane paranoia.

CBD is badically snake oil right?

>>13006976
>whereas high IQ people like me are constantly fighting the effects of marijuana rather than enjoying it

Have you ever considered the idea that you can't chill?

>>13007958
I have never had a bad weed trip, you might get anxious for a minute, you breath deeply and it goes away if you around good friends.

>>13005436
I get extremely bad anxiety from weed

Weed is trash
t. On and off again daily smoker for nearly 10 years

>>13009465
basically, supposedly it can cut seizures in half and help with autism but all the data for it is currently in the process of being gathered, the only thing going for it is its nowhere near as toxic and a company like Valeant cant buy it out fire the R&D staff and then quintuple the price

>>13008178
I had some depersonalization after I ate an edible at like 16 I didn't use it again till I was 18 and it doesn't happen anymore almost 3 years later of light use an oz lasts me a year.

>>13006386
>a solid 25% of the population shouldnt breed
I think the numbers higher, like >>13005585 for example
>seriously chasing the "pot" dragon, how lame is your body's physiology that you think weed is better than sex


>>13006286
nigger, you are a 131 having motherfucker if youre that afraid of losing measly 5 IQ points that you think shitposting on a burmese book binding forum matters

Weed doesn't even work the first few times dood

>>13005615
A minor dose of shrooms is like an 8 hour weed high that doesn't leave you tired at the end, pure kino. It's good for you too

>>13005615
Lmao

>>13009712
I just felt like I was drunk the few times I did it. Was a good time though

>>13008326
same. i smoked a few times in the last two months and i have been having some strange experiences, and thought patterns. Recently, i started to feel as if the information I am being exposed to is making me converge to certain ideas. For example, in the last feel days i feel that the idea of Dialectics has been reoccurring everywhere, for no reason at all, in videos I watch or things i read. I didn't even know the meaning of the word a week ago, but now I see it being mentioned constantly. Yesterday for example, i was browsing here and there was a thread about the topic >>/lit/thread/S12979341.. Then I went on to watch the zizek peterson debate and Zizek kept mentioning Hegel. Then I started reading about a book about the history of philosophy (Copleston) and it mentioned Hegel/dialectics in the introduction. I started to look into it and realize how the idea of dialectics can be applied to language too.
Language itself, the tool we use to talk about things, is social, i use no words of my own, i have never invented a single word. My internal thoughts are social, as they are language. Most of my day I am acting in a social setting, in a completely conditioned way, following moral imperatives. I have very few concepts of my own, ideas of my own, agency. My own thoughts, and consequently, actions, are influenced by the collective world-view/horizon/atmosphere/frame of the society I live in, which in turn is the result of dialectics. The fact that the progression of ideas of our civilization can be traced back from Greeks to now in a somewhat linear way is hauting me. what is the larger trend? what are we converging to? what will the final subject of this dialectic be? etc.
I know it sounds cringe but I am not sure if this has any substance at all or is just schizo thoughts. Anyway, never smoking weed again, because it fucks your orbiofrontal cortex specially if you're young

tobacco is better for intellectual matters, unlike weed, which is associated in medical literature with all sorts of debilitations of the mind, tobacco actually protects against alzheimers in epidemiological studies, its been to shown to decrease reaction time, better verbal recall, etc.

>>13006386
There was a fairly recent study which showed that the inverse is actually true. Schizophrenics/mentally ill people are more likely to smoke weed (whether self-medicating or not) than sane people, but they're also more susceptible to it as a trigger for psychosis, mania and other mental breakdowns. So it's not that marijuana causes those disorders, its that people who are already vulnerable in that way are more inclined to try it than your average person and even more likely to worsen their condition. If you're of sound mind then chances are you'll be fine even if you smoked everyday (you might be more dumb though).

>>13006976
>high IQ people like me are constantly fighting the effects of marijuana rather than enjoying it
you shouldn't really be smoking weed if you suffer from autism dude

>>13005436
>started smoking weed when I was 14
>bought what I thought was hash when I was 15
>turned out to be junk
>have the worst fever dreams
>wake up and think I've pissed the bed; turns out its literally just sweat
>can't stop throwing up
>think I'm gonna die

I'm convinced I fucked my brain chemistry when i was younger and inadvertently made myself into an addict. Luckily I've managed to stay away from hard drugs since then out of fear I'll ruin my life, but I smoke weed everyday because I'll feel awful if I don't, partly because it helps to relieve my RA, but there's no question I'm totally dependent on it

>>13010160
>tobacco stimulates the mind
>weed debilitates the mind
>not just smoking a spliff with tobacco to get the best of both worlds

>>13005436
ha. I found a oint on wednesday on the street, just ripped it and looked at the weed, then trew it away since i am not into this shit. It looked bad quality tho... Pretty fucking weird though, because as far as i know weed is expensive.

weed is for anglos, women and faggots
hash is for grown ups

>>13008539
*hooks self up to feeding tube and morphene injector*
ahh yes now this is living
none of that adversity and strife nonsense

>>13010276
>weed is for anglos: women and faggots
ftfy

>>13005436
my made had a psychotic episode that lasted months because of it, he thought helicopters were following and that everyone was out to get him
he's in a center now :/

>>13010340
mate*

>>13010340
same. some mate had one but it lasted only 3 days i think. He was given meds.

>>13010275
it isn't. most places in america a 1 ounce blunt will be less than $10 of weed.

>>13010384
1 gram* kek

>>13005436
>/lit/
>"DUDE WE LMAO"
Take it to /b/

>>13008064
You've really captured the tawdry cliches of the buster voice

>>13010217
Stop. Stop spreading disinformation, worthless pothead loser.

>>13005436
I smoke pretty much every day and while it doesn’t negatively effect me too much, it doesn’t feel that great either. I just prefer it to casual drinking

>>13010217
THC fucks with the dopamine pathways in the brain, this is directly linked to schizophrenia.

>>13010663
>>13010746
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jan/20/marijuana-cannabis-health-effects-issues-mental-health-disorders-science

chronology does not necessarily indicate causality. Most studies on the relationship between cannabis use and mental illness make a point that high strength, low CBD content cannabis plays a much bigger role in the problem than cannabis in general.

>worthless pothead loser
I work and pay my dues, just like everybody else. I mainly smoke to relieve my arthritis before I go to bed

>>13010746
linked, yes, but not 'directly'– whether or not it causes psychosis or simply exacerbates dormant conditions is still up for debate. Most studies don't really consider a more holistic approach and fail to address a variety of contributing factors.

>>13010340
>>13010366
a similar thing might be happening to a friend of mine right now. i haven't seen him for a while because i live abroad but apparently, he spent 3 days without sleeping and started getting paranoid about everyone wanting to kill him for being a communist, which he never was. he was hospitalized and is currently in a clinic (not accessing phone etc.) and no one really knows why this happened. he only ever smoked weed and took psychedelics occasionally but not recently, so i don't even know if it's drug-related at all..
what happened afterwords to the guys you know? i'm honestly very worried right now

>>13010275
i used to deal in high school and would buy at around 4€ a gram, but that was in italy, it really depends where you are. in almost all large cities you can get a gram for less than a tenner

>>13010849
>the guardian
no wonder the media is promoting a drug that numbs you and neutralizes revolutionary potential

>>13011210
That neutralizing drug got me almost 600 nobels you know

>>13009072
It already did the shrinky shrink. It's fine if you're OK with that. I for one don't appreciate losing IQ points to a retrospectively retarded plant
>>13009657
If I ever scored 131, I don't any more (because I got high). And if I have 131, I could have 137 right now. Literally the difference between being a walmart greeter and a world class astrophysicist.

>>13006432
You do know you can get the benefits of nicotine without smoking tobacco, right?
Nicotine gum, lozenges, or if you are a man who enjoys the company of other men, vape.

>>13012478

>>13012499
Not as addictive or harmful as once thought. when isolated. [1] The harm comes from inhaling the products of tobacco combustion, alongside all the other chemicals found in today's cigarettes. This is why weening oneself off with patches and other substitutes has such a low success rate; it wasn't primarily the nicotine that made the smoker addicted in the first place. Isolated nicotine is only mildly addictive on it's own. Chemicals found in the smoke such as acetaldehyde, dramatically reinforce the addictive properties of nicotine. A study on mice only found nicotine to be a mild enforcer of the addiction process [2]. Do your own research and observe what is found when nicotine is isolated from tobacco smoke. There is a reason why it's commonly used as a nootropic. Obviously if you abuse it, it's going to harm you. But saying tobacco and nicotine interchangeably like this person
>>13006432
is simply inaccurate.


>[1]
https://global.oup.com/academic/product/nicotine-safety-and-toxicity-9780195114966?cc=us&lang=en&#
>[2] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0028390807000445

>>13006976
>High IQ people like me

>>13012307
>And if I have 131, I could have 137 right now. Literally the difference between being a walmart greeter and a world class astrophysicist
lmao dude go back to the antiweed threads on /pol/ you shut in no friends loser

DUDE

>>13013414
Bwoopbwoop

>>13010602
>the tawdry cliches of the buster voice
you really do't "get it," do you? I'm a resident in psychiatry and I have to look at what it does to people all day. I personally, do not ant to come to your house and take your pot. You can quite literally drink bleach for all I care. What really bothers me--esp since a number on here seem smart enough to know better-- is the "cult-like," recruiting mentality.
I deal with heroin addicts all day too, and on avg, they are far better people than fucking stoners. Why? A heroin addict will tell a person in their teens or early 20s quite explicitly: "Sty away from this shit, get away, now! while you can, it will ruin your fucking life!"
Stoners? After they have their psychotic episode, you use ativan or whatever to calm them down, you'll catch them in the fucking day room sometimes trying to give their number to naive 18 year old anorexics/bi-polars, esp, to females, and trying to either sell them the shit or "recruit them." It' a mentality of "I've ruined my fucking life and permanently damaged my brain, so let me make myself feel better by helping you damage your brain too." It's fucking disgusting.
And stoners are the only ones who fucking do it.
>>>>>>>>>oven

>>13008102
>you will never

>>13013449
>All the merits of psychiatry in one shitpost
I'd applaud but you could cut this down to a sentence or two.

>>13005436
jesus FUCK. This is some shit I learned when I was 14. THE POT DOESN"T SOLVE ANY PROBLEMS. IT MAKES THEM WORSE BUT MAKES YOU LAZY AND LETHARGIC.

FUCK

>>13013449
Why does söy withdrawal create such strong heroic ideation? This Anon appears convinced she is helping her wards by completing the paperwork for their pharmacological testing and training. Is this Zizek's "augmented reality" masking something else?

>>13013484
>All the merits of psychiatry in one shitpost
Good. If one of your kids develops (assuming any piece of snatch would ever spread her legs for you) develops schizophrenia or some other severe mental condition, let's see how your attitude changes. Like most, you seem not to know the difference between the Jewish, Freud-led scheme of "psychology/psychoanalysis" and PSYCHIATRY, where we take the same boards as brain surgeons. Not to suggest the tests, esp for foreigners and AAers, haven't been dumbed down in recent years, but you're already calling down karma on yourself to where someone in your family will end up needing a psych hospital.

>>13013499
>d she is helping her
Edgy hymie. Why do pot smoking, degenerate scumbags insist on ignoring ALL evidence that goes against their bullshit, unscientific, mental addiction to the herbal jew? also, I'm going to guess I've found the pot dealer, correct? The type who likes to get children to smoke the trash since he's a fucking puke and likes to pervert kids and stuff. correct??

>>13005436
Moderation in all things, weedbro.

>>13006134
Also, being a pothead increases the likelihood of hanging around with morons, which also makes you dumber.

>>13009433
What is she being treated for if I may ask? Depending on what it is exactly I might be able to look in to it and provide some advice on how to approach your family on this issue.

>>13013506
Whatever keeps your pores open during Bikram, Nancy, but lampooning your self-satisfied clinician grandeur is a service go the transcendental multiverse, performed humbly in the memory of a wolf spider I had to slay for the sake of home keeping.

>>13013510
Hey wheres that brilliant psychIATRIST ITT? This fellar done projected his own pederasty onto the good natured posters of this blue board. A bold move, Ex-lax

>>13013449
So, you LARP as a self help app?

>>13008539
youre not human

>>13013626
>This fellar done projected his own pederasty onto the good natured posters of this blue board

"The drug dealing, pot head vermin is immunized against all dangers-- one may call him degenerate, stoner, worthless, it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But call him out as the pedo he is and you will be astonished at how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back, "I've been found out."

>>13013635
>self help app?
Yes. In your case, here is my self-help advice-- find a bottle of Clorox, hold your nose, and CHUG."

>>13005436
Cannabis gets boring after a couple of years, if i was to smoke now i would feel exactly the same emotionally but i'd be high

It’s a myth that weed causes mental illness. That’s what I heard from everyone back in high school.

>>13006766
why does this make me laugh so fucking hard?

How the fuck this thread has not been reported and deleted is beyond me.